User talk:Dunkelmann

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Happy editing! Samwb123^T-C-@ 21:50, 22 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Minor edits

Hello! I noticed you made an edit at Help:IPA/French and marked it as "minor", however, on Wikipedia, "minor edits" are superficial edits that would never be disputed, such as fixing typos or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not minor, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. — W.andrea (talk) 13:38, 20 June 2025 (UTC) edited 13:45[reply]

@W.andrea Can I redo it and mark it majo? It is blatantly wrong. As a Scot who speaks Scottish English the word loch is a gutteral ch sound like the German achtung. Dunkelmann (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since it's been reverted, the more appropriate thing to do would be to discuss it on the talk page (see WP:BRD). I'll reply here and we can move the discussion there if needed. I think you just misunderstood what it's saying, but correct me if I'm wrong.

the word loch is a gutteral ch sound like the German achtung.

Yes, it's the same in my dialect too (Maritimes). What the page is saying is that the French sound is also guttural, specifically a Voiced uvular fricative; see Guttural R § French.

— W.andrea (talk) 15:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@W.andrea I do not have your experience in Wikipedia or French pronunciation. Do you mind if we discuss it. I do not know what to do and need someone's help. I appreciate all the rules and guidelines. As you are the sole objector I presume it is together with you that we need a consensus. As a Scot who speaks French I found the example of loch wrong, since in Scotland our rolling R as in car, har, car, far etc (unlike the English r which is not pronounced) is not a gutteral sound. Loch does not have an R sound in Scots so I could not relate to the example at all. First, do you see my point of view? Dunkelmann (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mind if we discuss it

Not at all! I'll copy this thread there with some irrelevant bits removed and I'll reply there. — W.andrea (talk) 01:58, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done! Copied to Help talk:IPA/French § Scottish "loch" — W.andrea (talk) 02:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]