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Hi again!

Hi @HistoryofIran, I do remember you recommended a book about Babak Khorramdin Revolt, I wanted to read about it but before I wanted to do that, I was reading about the bio of the book which It says it just talks about the ideology of some irani History figures (Including babak of course) I mean would I find useful informations about babak for example his execution or some of his campaigns? I did some searches and I think I only read about Mohammed humaid al tusi campaign against babak, But I have already added his campaign in the Wikipedia page which ended as babak's victory and execution of Mohammed al tusi. If you still recommend for me the same book that you recommended before, then I will have to read it myself. Best wishes! R3YBOl (talk) 17:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi again R3YBOl. Sorry, but I don't remember the specifics, just that it mentioned Babak and his revolt a decent amount. HistoryofIran (talk) 00:18, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

I will try to read about it in coming week or in my free time soon because I really want to expand the page. Talking about the page and sources , Why wouldn't I restore the sources you have removed and gonna write On them for example "Primary source says" or "Primary source claims" At least it will make the page look arranged. I would love to hear about your opinion. Huge Respect and regards. R3YBOl (talk) 20:58, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, but info (WP:PSTS, WP:SCHOLARSHIP and WP:AGE MATTERS) is much more important than how the page looks. You can always fix its state with WP:RS. Best. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:45, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

well today I will look further for the book you recommended about babak's rebellion as much as the director of the book is I think british or american that already was against islam lol but I will see what's useful and decent, I would add it to babak khorramdin revolt's page. About the sources you removed, the texts of the campaigns should be deleted right? R3YBOl (talk) 08:37, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Additionally, I found informations about some of babak's campaigns, for example the mohammed al tusi campaign that ended as babak's victory. Would this be accurate to cite in the page? I really like to know about your opinion about that also. best wishes R3YBOl (talk) 11:43, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

as much as the director of the book is I think british or american that already was against islam lol

Sorry what?

About the sources you removed, the texts of the campaigns should be deleted right?

Yes, unless there is WP:RS which repeats the same info, which I doubt.

Additionally, I found informations about some of babak's campaigns, for example the mohammed al tusi campaign that ended as babak's victory. Would this be accurate to cite in the page?

Sorry, but I don't know about that event. If it's part of his revolt/rebellion, then I guess? HistoryofIran (talk) 18:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, unless there is WP:RS which repeats the same info, which I doubt

Well the sources I have got are mostly primary sources (eg. al tabri, ibn al athir, So many other writers) that talked for example about the same event,same campaign, same battles. I will try my best to find reliable and secondary sources. But one last question and I really do apologize if I am distracting you, Is it fine to cite Sources of arabic scholars? Like ones who made analysis and confirmed things? I do apologize again for distracting you. My Regards R3YBOl (talk) 18:51, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Feel free to ask anything, I don't mind. If you can't demonstrate that a source is WP:RS, I would not cite it. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:54, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

well if you remember, You removed that one source that talks about Ishaq's campaigns against babak, I found so many sources talked about the event. They are mostly historical books, Except two of them are primary others are not primary sources

( 1-https://shamela.ws/book/29560/970#p9 (The one you removed)

2-https://shamela.ws/book/95543/643#p6

3-https://shamela.ws/book/12396/1779#p3

4-https://shamela.ws/book/9783/5013#p6- and https://shamela.ws/book/9783/5014#p1

5-https://shamela.ws/book/29560/965#p4

6-https://shamela.ws/book/10283/8405#p2

7-https://shamela.ws/book/21712/2952#p6

8-https://shamela.ws/book/12406/3476#p2

9-https://shamela.ws/book/12397/7624#p7

10-https://shamela.ws/book/25841/292#p3

11-https://shamela.ws/book/12398/954#p

12-https://shamela.ws/book/9091/405#p6

13-https://shamela.ws/book/12348/145#p1

14-https://shamela.ws/book/35100/4903#p4

15-https://shamela.ws/book/23708/3465#p4 ) These links take you directly to the paragraph part of ishaq ibn ibrahim campaign against babak which happened in 833. Among all these links and sources Only two of them are primary and other two of them are not reliable for example the first link that I provided is less reliable. Anyways I hope you get what I mean and if you see that the links and the amount information I provided about ishaq ibn ibrahim are reasonable to Cite them back in Babak Khorramdin Revolt page, I would like to hear out your permission. R3YBOl (talk) 23:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Additionally in the book of the Nativist prophets of early islamic iran, By crone patricia,page 41

States The Khurramis of the Jibal rebelled for the fourth time in 218/833, the year in which al-Ma'mün died on the Byzantine frontier, once again striking at a time when the capital was denuded of caliphal troops. This time the whole of the Jibàl was involved, including Isfahàn, Hamadhan, Masabadhan, Mihrijangadhaq, and the two Mahs (Nihawand and Dinawar).*" According to Nizam al-Mulk the Khurramis of Fars also joined and, as on the previous occasion, the rebels were coordinating their activities with Babak (who had been in a state of revolt for some seventeen years by then). They killed tax collectors, plundered travellers, slaughtered Muslims, and took their children as slaves. In Fars they were defeated by the local forces, but at Isfahan, where they were led by one ‘Ali b. Mazdak, they captured Karaj, the centre of the local ruler Abü Dulaf al-Tjli, who was away with most of his troops at the time. Nizàm al-Mulk has them join forces with Babak on the border between the Jibal and Azerbaijan; the Tarikhnama says that Babak sent reinforcements to the Jibal, and al-Ya‘qabi knows them to have defeated the first army that al-Mu'tasim sent against them, led by Hashim b. Batijar.°* But when al-Mu'tasim sent the Tahirid Ishag b. Ibrahim b. Mus'ab against them from Baghdad the revolt was ruthlessly suppressed: 60,000 or 100,000 rebels are said to have been killed, and the rest, said to number 14,000, fled to Byzantium, where they were converted to Christianity and enrolled in the imperial army

Are these enough evidence? R3YBOl (talk) 01:21, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, what is a "primary other"? The sources I removed were primary sources, and thus not WP:RS. And I'm not sure I understand the question in regards to Crone. HistoryofIran (talk) 10:05, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

"Primary and other" well in my first message I meant among of those 15 Links, only two of them are primary sources and two different ones are not highly reliable..And I'm not sure I understand the question in regards to Crone. you previously recommended Patricia Crone's book,The nativist prophets of early islamic iran, I found that it supports my point of about that one campaign you previously removed from Babak Khorramdin Revolt (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Babak_Khorramdin_Revolt&diff=prev&oldid=1282363739) sources because that they were not reliable, and I agree with you on that but What I am trying to say is that I found the same information in Patricia Crone's book of The nativist prophets of early islamic iran page:41, for the full information I already typed the whole battle with the year of it. I just wanted to know if it's totally reliable to add this as a citation and edit the battle since it had more deep informations. I wish you got my point. R3YBOl (talk) 13:00, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

14 out of 15 those links look like primary sources to me, I am in a bit of hurry so don't have time to check the remaining one right now. If Crone supports whatever you previously added, feel free to remove the CN tag and cite her (though I would be surprised if it's 100% the same as what you added. In other words, if there is a slight difference, please adjust that when you cite her). HistoryofIran (talk) 14:08, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok I will work on that, Thank you. R3YBOl (talk) 14:17, 29 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi @HistoryofIran, I decided to ask you a question here about some book, I didn't really want to create a new Section in your talk page because it's somehow might be annoying and disturbing. Anyways I wanted to question about the page Shapur II's Arab campaign (since you're the creator of the page), We know that this campaign happened in 325, but the thing is that in some Arabic book that it's author is Jawad Ali, And jawad ali is a scholar and a historian, He received a doctorate from the University of Hamburg, and he was a professor at the History department of the University of Baghdad, He did mention about some "Arab retaliation" against shapur II that happened during 363 ( in Battle of Ctesiphon (363)) like Approximately after 5 decades. I was wondering if I can use him as a source to create a section in the page that you have created "Shapur II's Arab campaign", He has talked about a decent amount of info of how arabs were seeking of revenge of the 325 campaign. they participated in capturing Ctesiphon. After the capture of Ctesiphon he didn't mention anything about arabs in the campaign, except that he mentioned that Julian was killed by the sassanians (He didn't mention the arabs involvement during julian's murder which this makes it that arabs have nothing to do with julian and Battle of Samarra (363)) . as I do remember if You flip more pages in the same chapter he did mention again about how shapur and arabs later had peace. This type of context was mentioned in al tabri also. I would like to hear out your opinion since you may know more than I do. since the Book that I am using this time is Written by a scholar and historian. Best R3YBOl (talk) 14:48, 2 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi again R3YBOI. I did a very quick check, and Jawad Ali looks WP:RS to me. I don't how much info that ultimately ends up being, but please just remember that Shapur II's Arab campaign is still about his campaign, so we shouldn't have a info about something else on par with the info about the campaign itself. In other words, the new info should probably be short and concise, as the article itself is quite short. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Oh, this has been the topic of discussion before I see [1]. I would start out with citing what Jawad Ali says in the talk page, page number, name of source, etc etc. HistoryofIran (talk) 19:43, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

A goat for you!

You are cool

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Why thank you, HistoryofKashmir. Nice name 😉. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:48, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Sasanian Rome War 337_361

In this war, the Iranians were victorious in most battles, especially in the final battles, and had also captured some cities. Therefore, the result can be considered a partial or decisive victory for the Iranians. They won the siege of singara, captured Amida, captured Bazabad. If the writing is accurate, they did not achieve a decisive victory, then the Sassanids achieved a partial victory.?@HistoryofIran 2A01:5EC0:E002:D69C:1:0:9722:236B (talk) 13:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

You need a WP:RS that supports this. Please stop edit warring. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:29, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Regarding My Edit on [Battle of Baghdad 946)

Hello HistoryofIran,

I noticed that my edit was reverted due to a lack of a reliable source. I completely understand Wikipedia's sourcing standards, but I wanted to clarify that the casualty figures and troop strength I provided come from a book that I referenced. However, when I search online, it doesn’t appear in digital databases.

Would it be acceptable to cite the book with its title, author, and publication details, even if it’s not available online? Let me know if there are additional steps I should take to ensure the information meets Wikipedia’s standards.

Thanks for your time!

Best, the guy who added the casuallties bar 1.555 (talk) 01:18, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi. What is the name of the source and author? HistoryofIran (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

کتاب تاریخ، تمدن و فرهنگ ایران در عصر آل بویه

صادق حجتی

Book Title: History, Civilization, and Culture of Iran in the Buyid Era

Author: Sadeq Hojjati 1.5 (User talk:1.5talk) 15:35, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. If I am not mistaken, he does not even seem to be remotely notable, not being cited anywhere in Google ebooks, and has a PHD in science? If that's the case, then I would not consider this WP:RS. HistoryofIran (talk) 15:39, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Languages of Afghanistan

Hello, please review the Languages of Afghanistan. A user is constantly ruining it. FX200 (talk) 15:23, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I think you're mixing up the user with the IP? [2] HistoryofIran (talk) 22:27, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

i'm sorry, That user had made many edits to the version edited by IP, I got confused. FX200 (talk) 06:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

No problem. I would advise apologizing to the user instead though. HistoryofIran (talk) 09:28, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

ok, Thanks FX200 (talk) 16:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Alijanhz

5.123.0.0/16 was blocked but I am afraid we missed a range. They are also editing under 5.124.0.0/16. Mellk (talk) 19:50, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I see, thank you once again Mellk, I've filed another SPI [3]. HistoryofIran (talk) 20:07, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

I think we need a longer block for 5.123.0.0/16. Maybe this needs to go to ANI instead? A lot of the edits are purely disruptive or borderline vandalism e.g. [4]. Mellk (talk) 16:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Yeah this is not good. I'll see what I can do. HistoryofIran (talk) 18:59, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

Help for category

hello, i want Change Category:Ethnic Tajik people to Category:Tajik People, how can i do that? FX200 (talk) 21:37, 16 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I get why you want that, but there is already Category:Tajikistani people for that, although it's a very atypical way of saying "Tajik". I think it's done to differentiate Tajiks from Afghanistan and Tajiks from Tajikistan. I'm not sure what the best thing would be to do from here. The place to request categories to get renamed/merged is here though Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. HistoryofIran (talk) 05:12, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

See here Category:Iranic people how other categories are written, I think it's better for sorting the categories. FX200 (talk) 06:48, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

But then Category:Tajikistani people would be pretty redundant no? You can make a request at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion and see what happens. HistoryofIran (talk) 11:43, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Ok,Thanks FX200 (talk) 13:50, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Sock

Hello, dude is back but this time with an IP address. [5][6] Kajmer05 (talk) 14:42, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Oh sorry, forgot to look into this. A bit pressed for time, I'l see if I have time tomorrow to look into it. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:02, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi HistoryofIran! Don't worry, I filed the SPI. Kajmer05 (talk) 23:04, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

I just saw, nice one. I added a little comment. HistoryofIran (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Congratulations

Hey there I was looking at an article that you edited and i noticed you're at 99,913 edits almost at 100,000 and i just wanted to give an early congratulations because 100,000 is a huge accomplishment Shadow. 547 (talk) 16:56, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi Shadow. 547. Well, I'm not sure about that lol, but I appreciate the nice gesture, thank you. Best. HistoryofIran (talk) 21:54, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

oh lol but yeah thanks Shadow. 547 (talk) 11:37, 24 May 2025 (UTC)

MOS:ETHNICITY

Why does this only apply to Persian figures? There's literally not a single article about Arabs, Greeks, etc, where their ethnicity is not mentioned. MOS:ETHNICITY.is about modern articles anyway. If you read it clearly, it says "In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory where the person is currently a national or permanent resident." Falka-Sol (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi, please see WP:OTHER. If you have concerns about those other articles, I would advise taking it to their respective talk page. HistoryofIran (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Also, the policy starts with this "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for that which made the person notable." HistoryofIran (talk) 18:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Do you have an explanation why you removed my edits based on a policy that says it's about "most modern-day cases"?

BTW, I am not making a WP:OTHER argument about deleting an article. I'm saying why something that has universally been interpreted as being about modern articles, is applied only to Iranian articles in common with Islam? Falka-Sol (talk) 08:59, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

It's just an example. It still says "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for that which made the person notable." The figures you tried to add ethnicity to are not notable for their ethnicity. HistoryofIran (talk) 09:00, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Targeted attacks

Hello HistoryofIran! I came to know of an Instagram account targeting you and spewing out unprintables. This was after I made a comment on the Wikipedia Instagram and got myself called a racial slur (on one my personal posts on that platform) by that same account. Do you have any knowledge of this? JamesSolterre (talk) 13:50, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Hi JamesSolterre. I don't have any knowledge of this, may I ask who it is? HistoryofIran (talk) 16:33, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

He goes by "Historyofirankhorsow" on instagram. There, he pretends to be you and writes racial slurs on the instagram pages of random Wikipedia editors, like me. JamesSolterre (talk) 22:17, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Jeez, it's Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Caspidarya - this is reaching levels beyond pathetic. Thank you for the information, and I'm sorry you had to be targeted by that guy. HistoryofIran (talk) 22:20, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

"This is not allowed"

What does this mean?

Is it against the rules to write without splitting history in a topic that is controversial and widely discussed, or is it more appropriate to delete it by saying "there is no permission"?

In order not to divide the historical topic into parts, it was discussed and decided that the opened pages would be redirected to a single page. Would putting an end to the discussions about a topic that has already been divided into parts be considered against the rules, or are you trying to imply that I don’t have the authority to delete messages? If that’s the case, shall we return to the agreement made in the section about not dividing the historical topic into parts? BEFOR01 (talk) 13:36, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. You're not allowed to remove talk page sections unless they are purely disruptive. There are exceptions of course. For example if you are the only one who commented in that section. Removing others messages is a no go. And no, that does not mean you can remove your messages only, that would make the section confusing and useless. HistoryofIran (talk) 13:38, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I understand. BEFOR01 (talk) 12:38, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

(talk page jaguar) One point is that you had a sense other discussions had come to an end, and others disagreed. So, the discussions should remain open. Another is that you didn't archive the discussions, but simply deleted them, including others' comments. That's not allowed. Remsense ‥ 论 13:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

I disagree with your first statement. Because I didn't mean to do so. If I did, I wouldn't try to remove someone else's requests to add pages or edit articles. If you were right, I would just remove the thread that contains my own messages. Thank you for your support of the policies. I'm not taking any action at this time. I just want to make Wikipedia a place that helps people understand things better by clearing up the confusion. BEFOR01 (talk) 12:44, 30 May 2025 (UTC)

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