User talk:Margaretgroh

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Happy editing! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:33, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Andy, thanks so much for the welcome! I’m new to editing and recently submitted a draft for review: Draft:Tony Yacenda.

I used ChatGPT to help with structure and citation formatting. As a newcomer to Wikipedia, I didn’t realize how strongly AI use is discouraged. Now I’m worried that, on my very first day, I’ve unintentionally made myself a pariah in the Wikipedia community.

The subject—Tony Yacenda, who happens to be my nephew—is a Peabody Award–winning, Emmy-nominated writer, director, and producer. I believe the article meets notability guidelines and is worthwhile. I’d really appreciate any help or advice you can offer on how to move forward productively.

For transparency, I disclosed my conflict of interest on the draft talk page.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give to get me out of the hole I’ve dug for myself! Margaretgroh (talk) 13:14, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It takes far more than that to become a pariah!

Thank you for making a clear declaration of your CoI.

Once you have removed any AI contributions, your main issues are notability and referencing; these can be fixed together.

You need to give a citation for every statement, and you need to include at least three sources that meet all of the criteria at WP:42. If those criteria cannot be met, then you may need to bide your time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Andy!

To clarify: I drafted the article in Word and included references to reliable sources like The Philadelphia Inquirer, the Peabody Awards, and the Academy of Canadian Cinema & Television—everything was sourced. I then used ChatGPT to help structure the article and generate the Wikipedia markup. To my admittedly untrained eye, the resulting draft looked like a reasonably formatted, properly cited Wikipedia article. (Here’s the version I submitted: 18 June 2025.)

When I went to submit it, I discovered an older draft from 2 February 2024 that had been declined for not meeting notability guidelines. I asked @UtherSRG to undelete it so I could overwrite it with my new version.

Unfortunately, when I submitted my revision, a “Submission declined” box appeared—apparently due to an AI-related markup issue. @Sarsenet noted that ChatGPT may have accidentally inserted a decline template, though I suspect it was some kind of user error on my part. In response, @UtherSRG seems to have reverted to the old 2024 version, meaning the version I submitted is now no longer visible by default.

So now I’m stuck. I’d like to engage editors in a discussion about the version I submitted so they can point out any sourcing issues. But the version under review isn’t the one I wrote. As for AI contributions, to be clear: ChatGPT didn’t generate content—it just helped with formatting and tone to ensure neutrality and adherence to Wikipedia style.

Do you have any advice on how I can restore my version and get actionable feedback on improving it? Margaretgroh (talk) 15:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored your draft, with the correct header template, so that you can continue to work on it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Thank you so much! Margaretgroh (talk) 15:38, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Margaretgroh, I just responded to you at the help desk so do read that. Also, because you have a conflict of interest, I am going to leave you some additional guidance below. I do suggest reading Your first article and if the draft is accepted, WP:FAQ/Article subjects offers some good guidance, as does WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing (not that I think you are Yacenda but still some things to consider). S0091 (talk) 18:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome!

Hello, Margaretgroh, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

To reduce the chances of your contributions being undone, you might like to draft your revised article before submission, which will be reviewed by other editors. See our help page on userspace drafts for more details. If the page you created has already been deleted from Wikipedia, but you want to save the content from it to use for that draft, don't hesitate to ask anyone from this list and they will copy it to your user page.

One rule we do have in connection with conflicts of interest is that accounts used by more than one person will unfortunately be blocked from editing. Wikipedia generally does not allow editors to have usernames which imply that the account belongs to a company or corporation. If you have a username like this, you should request a change of username or create a new account. (A name that identifies the user as an individual within a given organization may be OK.)

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, visit the Teahouse, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{Help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! S0091 (talk) 18:43, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can ignore a lot of the beginning because you have already declared and are working on a draft but some of the other links might be helpful. S0091 (talk) 18:46, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My brother (Anthony Yacenda, Tony's father) and I are both making changes using my account. Anthony thought it would look odd if he was editing an article for someone with the exact same name (actually, my brother is Anthony Yacenda II and my nephew Tony, is Anthony Yacenda III). Anyway, does it make sense for us to work on the same draft from each of our individual accounts. Margaretgroh (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no! No, people cannot do that per WP:NOSHARE . Pinging @DoubleGrazing:, an administrator. DG, not sure what protocol is in the situation where an account is being shared. To the people behind Margaretgroh, do not edit anywhere other than this talk page until guidance is provided which may be tomorrow or later. And also, people behind Margaretgroh, everything on Wikipedia is public, including this talk page so now I am also concerned about PII. S0091 (talk) 19:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the Personally Identifiable Information issue. Just to be clear, this is Anthony Yacenda II and I don't mind that @MargaretGroh shared by name. She had my implicit permission to share my name since we were collaborating on Draft:Tony Yacenda. Going forward, we'll be sure to use our individual accounts. We won't post anywhere else on Wikipedia until further guidance. Ayacenda (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping, @S0091.

That is correct, a user account must not be used by more than one individual. The original user who registered this account may continue using it, any others must log out of it. For security reasons the original user should then change the password, and not communicate it to the others. Please confirm when this is all done.

If you are unable to do any of that, or if it later becomes apparent that this account continues to be used by multiple individuals, we may then have to block the account as a precaution.

Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 05:46, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]