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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep as this seems clear to where any other votes may not change the current, closing for now (NAC). SwisterTwister talk 22:30, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Android N

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Upcoming software; now is not the time to talk about it as if it had already been released. Georgia guy (talk) 20:42, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 20:52, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did you bother to read the references? It has been released. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 21:47, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Here is one reference to save you time. http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/9/11183890/android-n-developer-preview-split-screen-google-surprise Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 21:49, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
If it had been released, its full name would have been known. Marshmallow's full name is known. Georgia guy (talk) 22:29, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A name does not indicate whether it was released or not. Once again read the reference. Title says "available today". Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 22:36, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it does. It has to have a final name upon its release. Georgia guy (talk) 23:05, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Argumentative with no source for opinion. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 23:20, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense. Windows 7 was once known by the codename Windows Blackcomb. But the final name, Windows 7, was known before it came out. Same with every other version of computer software that I've heard of. Georgia guy (talk) 23:24, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Have you read the reference? Do you believe the many references? Yes this release is different than others with respect to code name. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 23:56, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
After reading the reference, I got that it's a preview. Georgia guy (talk) 23:58, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Premature discussion. Android L and Android M had pages created upon their unveiling/beta, but were at a better initial state. With changes, the N article can be made more informative. ViperSnake151  Talk  23:10, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    And by the time of their release, their names became Lollipop and Marshmallow. We call those versions by their official names, not by abbreviations. But we don't know the final name of this release. Georgia guy (talk) 23:12, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes we call them by their official names, not by abbreviations, when official name is announced. That doesn't change the fact the software has been released with a code name, letter abbreviation as a temporary name. Daniel.Cardenas (talk) 23:23, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    But you're saying that it has been released now, which means that its code name has to be out-of-date, and that "Android N", if it's still the name used, must be the final name even if it matches the code name. Georgia guy (talk) 23:27, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    As of last time, we decided to only refer to the letter in quotation marks and explicitly call it a "working title" in the lead. ViperSnake151  Talk  23:33, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    ViperSnake151, you ignored one part of my comment. Daniel.Cardenas says that the version is out now. Georgia guy (talk) 23:43, 9 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, a beta is out now. The stable, final, general release is expected Summer 2016, according to Google. We did an article for Windows 10 as soon as it was unveiled too, and it was updated as new beta builds/announcements were made. Regarding codenames; Google started doing the "let's not announce the actual reveal name until it's officially out" thing since Lollipop (which is also when they started doing these developer preview builds). The article will be re-named to reflect the official release name (which we know will be a dessert starting with the letter N; Nouget? Nanaimo?) once it is officially confirmed by Google. Although the release names are typically referred to as "codenames", since Lollipop this is now a misnomer because the codename for each major Android release is now just the letter ("L") per the preview build practice. ViperSnake151  Talk  03:50, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, and rename if/when the name changes (per WP:COMMONNAME, especially the section about name changes even if it is meant to apply to people). It seems to me the delete argument above are that "Android N" will likely not be the final name of this product; however, how does that preclude inclusion?
I could see a claim to merge to Android (operating system) under WP:NPRODUCT but I see plenty of sourcing already. Tigraan (talk) 14:04, 10 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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