Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Tweed
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge any reliably sourced information to Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK). —Centrx→talk • 19:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Only claimed notability is as the boyfriend of Jade Goody and as a contestant on Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK). Individual game show contestants are, I think, not notable in themselves. The other Celebrity Big Brother contestants are celebrities, and so are notable already. Sam Blacketer 23:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak keep - There seem to be sufficient articles of which he's the subject (linked with Goody, but still) to establish notability. Otto4711 23:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't want to get into a long debate but I only make 232 independent google hits. Sam Blacketer 23:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't want to get into a long debate but I only make 232 independent google hits. Sam Blacketer 23:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The number of hits isn't relevant. The question is whether he's the subject of multiple reliable sources. He could have two google hits and as long as they're independent multiple sources he meets the threshold. Otto4711 03:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The number of hits isn't relevant. The question is whether he's the subject of multiple reliable sources. He could have two google hits and as long as they're independent multiple sources he meets the threshold. Otto4711 03:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- KeepBut by the end of the show he will be a household name as pretty much every other person that goes on the normal show is!. Timclare 00:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep as per Timclare. --IanIanSymes 01:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete - nn reality show contestant. --Wooty Woot? contribs 01:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep or merge What is his job? Is he famous in his own right like Jeff Brazier was? Triangle e 13:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Non-notable, only "famous" because of his girlfriend. One Night In Hackney 20:18, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Notable, since he will be written about frequently in British media, at least during the next few weeks. Dmn € Դմն 21:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The UK tabloid press have substantially lower standards of notability than an encyclopedia. Reality TV stars are generally not notable by encyclopedic standards, this has been established in many previous Afds. One Night In Hackney 00:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Also, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Wooty Woot? contribs 01:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Also, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. --Wooty Woot? contribs 01:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Jack Tweedy is a vapid non entity but to ignore his noteriety in todays Z list celebrity creating society would be snobbish and elitist (traits that I feel sometime prevent Wikipedia fulfilling its real promise)
- Exactly: they prevent Wikipedia from becoming a repository for all semi-notable human knowledge, so keep.--HisSpaceResearch 17:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply - Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information, either, if you'd bother to read the link I posted. Nor is Wikipedia a reflection of popular culture. The person is not notable. You said this yourself. That's where the line is drawn, article deserves a swift deletion. --Wooty Woot? contribs 06:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Exactly: they prevent Wikipedia from becoming a repository for all semi-notable human knowledge, so keep.--HisSpaceResearch 17:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The UK tabloid press have substantially lower standards of notability than an encyclopedia. Reality TV stars are generally not notable by encyclopedic standards, this has been established in many previous Afds. One Night In Hackney 00:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - Jack Tweed is famous as he is a model and a football agent in training. Also he has made lots of publicity. The article has been undated substantially, and is much larger than before. Peterwill 22:09, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - References? Not every minor model or football hopeful has an article. Please provide some press sources or web-based RS that justify your claim of "famous"ness.
--Wooty Woot? contribs 06:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep- probably more famous than some of the other contestants. he is also fairly attractive. Astrotrain 13:13, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep The guy is relatively well known on the Z list circuit and has appeared in many gossip coloums and magazines with Jade and is now in CBB 2007 which is probably enough in its own right --Vintagekits 14:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge - his entire biographical information could be put into Celebrity Big Brother 2007 (UK) with no disruption. There's no guarantee anyone will be interested in him after he leaves the show, especially if he splits up with Goody. Surely he does not merit a separate entry until such time as he does something noteworthy in his own right. 81.159.14.140 19:33, 8 January 2007 (UTC) EDIT: I might add that his surname is Tweed, not Tweedy as above, he's not even notable enough for us to get his name right![reply]
- Comment - Well I have been getting his name right, and I changed the page. Many tabloids also get his name wrong. He is well known, its just a thing that happens. Many people say Tescos or Lidls, however these don't have an s on the end. That doesn't prove anything. Peterwill 21:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply It doesn't prove anything, but it's suggestive in this case. The examples you cite can't really compare, 'Tescos' and 'Lidls' are examples of a well known brand names acquiring a colloquial variant. That clearly doesn't apply here. A more appropriate example might be Jimmy Savile/Saville - but he has the excuse of having an unusual variant of the name. Clearly Tweed hasn't yet entered the public consciousness enough for people (even newspapers, as you say) to realise he's not a Tweedy. I never heard of him before today, and I'm not completely ignorant of pop culture. It may yet transpire that this guy forges a genuine celebrity career for himself in the future thanks to Big Brother, but until that time he does not merit encyclopaedic recognition outside a Big Brother/Jade Goody article. 81.159.14.140 22:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply It doesn't prove anything, but it's suggestive in this case. The examples you cite can't really compare, 'Tescos' and 'Lidls' are examples of a well known brand names acquiring a colloquial variant. That clearly doesn't apply here. A more appropriate example might be Jimmy Savile/Saville - but he has the excuse of having an unusual variant of the name. Clearly Tweed hasn't yet entered the public consciousness enough for people (even newspapers, as you say) to realise he's not a Tweedy. I never heard of him before today, and I'm not completely ignorant of pop culture. It may yet transpire that this guy forges a genuine celebrity career for himself in the future thanks to Big Brother, but until that time he does not merit encyclopaedic recognition outside a Big Brother/Jade Goody article. 81.159.14.140 22:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Well I have been getting his name right, and I changed the page. Many tabloids also get his name wrong. He is well known, its just a thing that happens. Many people say Tescos or Lidls, however these don't have an s on the end. That doesn't prove anything. Peterwill 21:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE - hardly notable - did we know him before CBB?
- Comment - I knew him. I don't read national newspapers or girl magazines, but I have still heard of him. Normally through TV adverts, so he is wellknown to some extent. I'm not say he is A list, but he deserves some articles. I have seen some articles, for example Toby Cockerell, Mandy Dingle or Peggy Skillbeck. These are all one line articles. If they can have a topic he can. I bet they'll all be shut now. Peterwill 18:11, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.