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Bilateral relations

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Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy

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Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article looks like a recreation of the old article "Calls for the destruction of Israel", which was merged in January 2025 (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Calls for the destruction of Israel (2nd nomination)). This article might as well be called "Iranian calls for the destruction of Israel" and thus it has the same problems as the previous one – it is a WP:POVFORK of Legitimacy of the State of Israel. Propose merge just like the previous article. VR (Please ping on reply) 08:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose (creator). I respectfully disagree with the claim that this article is a "recreation" of anything. This article is focused on a different topic: it examines Iran's official policy and strategic posture toward the destruction of Israel, as characterized by a range of reliable secondary sources. It does not merely document rhetorical calls or statements made by various actors, but rather explores a long-term, very grounded policy, which includes several aspects: military doctrine, foreign relations, proxy activity, and nuclear strategy, all directed at eliminating Israel as a Jewish state. The content, sources, and framing are substantially different from the previous article, both in scope and intent. Therefore, it cannot be accurately described neither as a recreation nor as a POV fork. Rafi Chazon (talk) 08:50, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If it is about Iran's relations with Israel, why can it not be at Iran-Israel relations? Why the POV framing of what is a complex issue and involves antagonism on both sides? VR (Please ping on reply) 09:06, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I'm not disputing your whole argument, I just want to say that an article being very well researched and sourced isn't an inherent reason to keep and article if there's issues with it being an article in the first place. AssanEcho (talk) 11:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It’s not just that the article is well-researched and properly sourced. The focus here isn’t on rhetorical "calls", it's on a sustained strategy, policy, or project, however one chooses to label it. Iran's actions: funding and training militant groups to encircle Israel, promoting suicide bombings, advancing a nuclear program aimed at threatening Israel, and broadcasting countdowns to Israel's destruction, are not isolated statements. they are deliberate steps within a long-term vision. And this isn't my interpretation of course, it reflects the view of leading scholars. As Afshon Ostovar wrote in a 2024 Oxford University Press publication, "The goal of destroying Israel as a Jewish entity is a cornerstone of the Islamic Republic of Iran's regional strategy." This is clearly a notable topic, with enough coverage and depth to merit its own article. Rafi Chazon (talk) 11:37, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I was not commenting to dispute your argument though I have my own issues with it (You can read them on my multi merge reply), and to comment I do actually believe you and your sources that this a concrete goal of the Iranian Government. I was just mentioning that any article's high quality is not necessarily a reason to keep it in any AFD. AssanEcho (talk) 11:50, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This really does feel, based on the above, like a POV fork of Iran-Israel relations - @Rafi Chazon it's clear you put a lot of work into this and nobody is suggesting it's non-notable. It's just that the page that is specifically about the relationship between these two states is a better home for this material than a breakaway page with an eye-catching header. Simonm223 (talk) 11:54, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support Merge This is an overly specific page. It should be merged into either Legitimacy of the State of Israel or Foreign relations of Iran where it would be more at home. Genabab (talk) 08:53, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don’t see any reason to delete; the article seems both notable and detailed enough to stand on its own, with an appropriate link and summary in the general article. Jellyfish dave (talk) 08:56, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Legitimacy of the State of Israel. POVFORK. Gotitbro (talk) 09:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Personally, I think Vice Regent’s deletion of the article was completely out of line. As for the merits of the article itself, the scope is clear and well-defined. There’s a substantial body of reliable news reporting and academic literature that directly addresses this issue. It’s certainly notable — it’s a topic that has drawn the attention of numerous scholars and analysts, and it's clearly of interest within the broader body of literature.
    This article has encyclopaedic value, as it demonstrates that a single paragraph on the Iran–Israel relations page wouldn’t come close to adequately covering the subject. The article should be retained. I’d encourage editors to prioritise collaborative solutions rather than tearing down articles that can be improved. KiltedKangaroo (talk) 09:10, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Citation Publisher/Source Type
Ostovar, Afshon (2024). Wars of Ambition Oxford University Press Academic
Maloney, Suzanne (2024). "The Middle East's Dangerous New Normal" Foreign Affairs Notable / Expert Commentary
Karsh, Efraim (2023). "The Israel-Iran conflict" Israel Affairs (peer-reviewed journal) Academic
Reda, Latife (2016). "Origins of the Islamic Republic's Strategic Approaches" Middle East Critique Academic
Freilich, Charles David (2018). Israeli National Security Oxford University Press Academic
Erdbrink, Thomas (2015) The New York Times Reliable Media
"Iran: Khamenei to lead Friday prayers..." (2020) The Guardian Reliable Media
Pileggi, Tamar (2018) Times of Israel Reliable Media
"Iran's Khamenei says..." (2021) France 24 Reliable Media
"Iran leader says Israel a 'cancerous tumour'" (2020) The Economic Times Semi Reliable Media
"Iran's Khamenei tells visiting Hamas chief..." (2024) Times of Israel Reliable Media
"Iran president sees 'countdown' to Israel's end" (2007) Reuters Reliable Media
"Iran's Rouhani calls Israel a 'cancerous tumor'" Al Jazeera Reliable Media
"Iranian President Repeats Calls..." (2023) Iran International Reliable Media
Goldberg, Jeffrey (2015) The Atlantic Notable / Expert Commentary
Hafezi, Parisa (2023) Reuters Reliable Media
Said et al. (2023-2024) Wall Street Journal Reliable Media
"Hamas received weapons and training from Iran..." (2023) The Washington Post Reliable Media
Fassihi, Farnaz (2024) The New York Times Reliable Media
Allin, Dana H.; Simon, Steven (2010). The Sixth Crisis Oxford University Press Academic
Sharma, Anu (2022). Through the Looking Glass Routledge, Taylor & Francis Group Academic
Magen, Ze'ev (2023). Reading Revolutionary Iran De Gruyter Academic
Reda, Latife (2016). (duplicate entry) Middle East Critique Academic
"Iranian protesters unveil clock..." (2017) The Independent Reliable Media
Azizi, Arash (2025) The Atlantic Notable / Expert Commentary
"Iranians Criticize Quds Day's Futility..." (2024) Iran International Reliable Media
Shamir, Shlomo Chabad.org Niche Media
Here’s a list of sources. Hopefully, these references make a strong case for the article’s importance. Cheers! KiltedKangaroo (talk) 09:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To clarify: no one is disputing this topic's WP:NOTABILITY, but rather it is a WP:POVFORK of an existing article.VR (Please ping on reply) 09:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And Comment But as an aside Vice regent if we're here to collaborate on an encyclopedia, consistency should be applied across Wikipedia and it shouldn't matter whether the article is pro-Israel or anti-Israel. But when things come down to a consensus or what not, this clearly isn't the case. There is a plethora of anti-Israel articles and I don't see people calling for merging them, deleting them or WP:POVFORK.I'm not accusing you of this - I'm saying this is a big picture zoomed out issue that needs to be address for the betterment of Wikipedia.MaskedSinger (talk) 09:19, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Iran–Israel relations. We don't need more POV forks and one just has to read the lead to see that POV fork a perfect description. Zerotalk 09:50, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Iran-Israel relations, of which it's a WP:POVFORK; possibly also move some stuff to Legitimacy of the State of Israel. The argument that we should "look at recent events" to show why this narrow subset of that article supposedly needs to be its own article also shows that this article's creation is a matter of WP:RECENTISM, but even then, Iran-Israel relations is a more neutral article to cover this sort of thing and no valid reasons have been presented for why we would spin off a more POV copy of it. All the presented sources would be more accurately and thoroughly examined at that article - most of them are not specifically about Iran calling for the destruction of Israel but are about Iran / Israeli relations more generally, which means pulling out just that part and trying to make an article about it without covering the rest is misusing them as sources. --Aquillion (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I agree with the previous editors here, mainly because this topic is way too broad and complex to squeeze into just a subsection of Iran–Israel relations or Legitimacy of the State of Israel. We're not just talking about rhetoric or ideology here – this covers military strategy, foreign policy, proxy wars, educational systems, and a whole lot more. Iran's approach to eliminating Israel is so systematic and institutional that it really deserves its own standalone article, especially given all the academic research and journalism we have on it. If we merge this somewhere else, readers won't get the full picture of how extensive and significant this issue actually is. Eliezer1987 (talk) 10:24, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't see why today, of all days, that article should be deleted. If anything, it should be expanded in order to provide even more background information.--Edelseider (talk) 10:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure why Israel attacking Iran equates to needing an independent article about Iran calling for an end to Israel when we already have Iran-Israel relations. This appears not to be a policy based reason to retain an article. Simonm223 (talk) 11:25, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This article presents a well-sourced, analytically distinct examination of Iranian state policy toward the destruction of Israel. Far from being a content fork, it addresses a clearly delineated and academically acknowledged phenomenon that spans military doctrine, proxy engagement, nuclear strategy, and ideological incitement. To reduce this topic to a subsection elsewhere would obscure its scope and scholarly relevance. At a time when Wikipedia must uphold its responsibility to present verifiable knowledge with intellectual integrity, removing such a page risks erasing a central dimension of contemporary Middle Eastern geopolitics and signals a troubling asymmetry in editorial standards. שלומית ליר (talk) 10:46, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Multi Merge Honestly I don't see much in this article that necessitates it be it's own article and not be merged in with Calls for the destruction of Israel, Iran-Israel relations, or even New antisemitism (as much as I personally don't care for the articles concept myself). This articled existence is smelling of recency bias due to the current catastrophe in the middle east, and while this doesn't have much to do with this topic it does seem to be mildly biased against Iran by not mentioning any international or internal support for the various actions, policies and intions (though I do believe 100% that every example of dissent and distain is real).
AssanEcho (talk) 11:08, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This article offers a well-documented and clearly focused analysis of Iran’s official policy aimed at the destruction of Israel. Merging this topic into a broader article would dilute its significance and obscure a distinct, long-standing pillar of Iranian state policy. The sustained calls for Israel’s destruction by Iran’s leadership, their integration into official doctrine, and their geopolitical consequences warrant focused, in-depth treatment that a subsection cannot adequately provide. This is not a minor aspect of Iranian politics—it is a central theme with global ramifications, deserving its own dedicated space for clarity, documentation, and analysis. Deletion would set a dangerous precedent of removing uncomfortable historical realities from Wikipedia simply because they are unpopular. Cfgauss77 (talk) 11:41, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose nom & keep article The article's scope and content look pretty different from the previous. Also: this here separate article lets us have a deeper level of details/sources that can't be properly contented at the proposed merge target. Retain this well sourced article, which cannot be considered a fork, as its subject matter is highly specific. XavierItzm (talk) 15:30, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iceland–Serbia relations

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Iceland–Serbia relations (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A redirect that was undone. There are minimal relations between these 2 countries, and definitely not covered in any detail in third party sources. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Giacomo Merello

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Giacomo Merello (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This individual does not pass WP:GNG or fulfill the requirements for WP:BIO as this person has "not received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." Coverage of this individual in media is routine or passing mentions. Some of the sources do not appear reliable or particularly independent.

The argued notability of this person by editors that have removed prior tags appears to hinge on certain "honors" such as the "Order of the Eagle of Georgia" and the conception of "Lord Leslie" while these honors might sound significant it appears that honors like these can apparently be acquired without much difficulty (according to a source that was previously cited in the text by one of the contributors and later removed).

Another concern is that a number of the key contributors of this article appear to be very close to the subject including HearldicFacts and Mediascriptor. Another key contributor was previously blocked for sockpuppettry Judasith1234 which is not a good sign. Nayyn (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Only passing coverage in low-quality sources. Worth mentioning that HeraldicFacts added a picture to the article which was uploaded by Judasith1234 to Commons 19 minutes prior, so another likely sockpuppet.
— Arcaist (contr—talk) 14:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, @Arcaist - I will not take a position on this page retention, however just to clarify yours and @Naayn comment on "sockpuppetry", it was a misunderstanding of 6 months ago, which was opened in a sockpuppetry debate and resolved through a discussion and a final decision of several Admins, that ended with the deletion of user Judasith1234. It is unfair and incorrect to motivate a further deletion proposal based on this specific topic as it was already discussed and resolved in full previously. HeraldicFacts (talk) 07:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP The subject meets WP:GNG through multiple non-trivial, independent sources covering his diplomatic and cultural roles. While some honours may appear unusual, they’ve been reported by independent media and involve internationally recognised institutions, not self-promotion. Rather than deletion, improvement is the constructive path forward, especially given existing sources and the subject’s international footprint. Kellycrak88 (talk) 16:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Giacomo Merello clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria per WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Multiple reliable, independent secondary sources provide significant coverage of his career and roles, beyond routine mentions. Concerns about the subject’s honors and the contributors’ proximity do not negate the existence of independent sources demonstrating notability. Below, I outline the sources and relevant policies supporting retention of the article. Roles and impact: the coverage centers on his notable roles – as a Special Economic Envoy of Antigua and Barbuda, as a legal expert in digital assets and legal heraldry, examples 1. https://expatliving.sg/antigua-and-barbuda-citizenship-by-investment-and-coat-of-arms/Expat Living - this interview is a secondary source (Merello is the interviewee, with the magazine providing context) and offers significant biographical detail, demonstrating coverage in an independent publication; 2. https://www.henleyglobal.com/events/henley-partners-presents-celebration-caribbean about his activities as diplomat; 3. https://www.vietnam.vn/en/viet-nam-truoc-nga-re-tai-san-so-tin-chi-carbon about a seminar held for the State Bank of Vietnam. 4. https://antigua.news/2025/05/17/bridging-oceans-and-opportunities-giacomo-merello-on-promoting-antigua-and-barbuda-in-singapore-and-in-asia/ Antigua News - this is far beyond a trivial mention – it’s a full profile of his activities and impact, published by an independent news source (not a press release); 5. Multiple other independent articles about him from VIR and Malta Invest;  6. https://www.liveranionline.com/immagini/118224/retrospettiva-marcella-bella-cantante-con-il-figlio-giacomo-merello-nel-1985 ; https://dilei.it/spettacolo/marcella-bella-figlio-giacomo-singapore/1279204/ ; https://www.wemusic.it/marcella-bella-chi-sono-e-cosa-fanno-nella-vita-i-figli-carolina-tommaso-e-giacomo/ are all articles directly about him in connection to his very notable singer mother Marcella Bella, and not just as a routine mention, these are all independent secondary sources and are not "routine mentions" but the subject is the main topic. These roles have been covered in context by third-party sources, indicating he is a “significant, interesting, or unusual enough” person to deserve an encyclopedia entry, as per WP:GNG. The titles on their own may not necessarily meet by themselves WP:BIO, but in connection with all the rest, they definitely support and they have multiple mention in secondary sources on their own, like Debrett's, RSN, and Royal House of Georgia. On the Scottish Feudal Baronies there is currently in place an editing war which makes deletion based on that also shaky and not well thought. COI claim is vague and per WP:COI policy, an article should not be deleted solely due to who edited it, especially if just to fix objective links and factual elements, and any promotional tone wascleaned up by neutral editors in line with WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Mediascriptor (talk) 18:00, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Consulate General of Peru, Nagoya

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Consulate General of Peru, Nagoya (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Embassies are not inherently notable, consulates even less so. Sources 2-8 merely confirm who the consul was. Lacking SIGCOV about this actual consulate to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just got a notification, I've no issue one way or the other, but instead of deletion I would hope that a redirect to the embassy's page would be better. A bit unrelated but I also wanted to know whether the idea of merging ambassadorial lists to their respective embassy articles is better than a standalone article for the former, not only for this particular case or country in general but for a number of them as I notice that a number are outdated and both article types could very well be improved that way and make for easier reading. I'd be happy to take care of both aspects. AlejandroFC (talk) 01:07, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and followed through with my suggestion. I would still appreciate feedback on the other idea. AlejandroFC (talk) 01:47, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This article was Redirected but I'd like to hear more opinions on this outcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:15, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, sorry about that. I'll still vote for a redirect. All the best. AlejandroFC (talk) 18:45, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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