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[edit]- 2021 Pallandri bus accident (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability, and high-casualty bus crashes are common. Fails WP:EVENT. Unable to find sustained significant coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 01:42, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Operation Herof 2.0 (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The subject is not notable on its own. It fails WP:NOTNEWS. Most of the sources are either Twitter or unreliable Indian media outlets. We already have Insurgency in Balochistan. Wareon (talk) 14:59, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Aina Asif (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Speedy decline. Last deletion end of 2024 and nothing has happened since that time to show notability. Sources are promotional, non-bylined (similar to WP:NEWSORGINDIA, or otherwise reliable. CNMall41 (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Pinging previous voters @Wikibear47:, @Star Mississippi:, @Mushy Yank:, @Saqib:, @GrabUp: --CNMall41 (talk) 02:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- acknowledging the ping, and thanks @CNMall41
- Unfortunately I do not have the on wiki time to do sufficient research to cast an opinion here and don't anticipate that changing in the next week. Will weigh in if I can and appreciate the heads up. Star Mississippi 01:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Aina Asif meets WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR based on new coverage since the 2024 deletion. Her lead roles in Mayi Ri, Pinjra and Judwaa have received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources like The Express Tribune and The News International. The article has been rewritten with a neutral tone and now includes bylined, non-promotional references that address the original deletion rationale. As creater, i have of the article written the article in neutral tone. Behappyyar (talk) 10:58, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Can you point out said sources? I find a few bylined articles that verify a role, but nothing about her. WP:NACTOR is not guaranteed for having roles as there is NO inherent notability.--CNMall41 (talk) 15:23, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:NACTOR clear says The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. There is significant sources about her acting in notable dramas. Behappyyar (talk) 17:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Please quote the entire thread as it is misleading not to do so - "Such a person may be considered notable if:" (my emphasis added). So....notability is not inherent here. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:NACTOR clear says The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions. There is significant sources about her acting in notable dramas. Behappyyar (talk) 17:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Can you point out said sources? I find a few bylined articles that verify a role, but nothing about her. WP:NACTOR is not guaranteed for having roles as there is NO inherent notability.--CNMall41 (talk) 15:23, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy delete: Not even remotely notable. This article has been deleted twice yet somehow different users mange to restore the same version again and again. Clearly fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Just because someone acted in two more drama serials doesn't mean that they are now notable. Wikibear47 (talk) 22:33, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Ayaz Gul (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No reliable sources to establish notability; the two newspaper articles do not have author attribution (just "correspondents" or something like that, typical of paid press releases) OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:16, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
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- I disagree. The 2 newspaper articles are in national daily newspapers and are Reliable Sources. DAWN is a newspaper of the highest quality and the other is also reliable.
- I would say that this makes the person notable. Dualpendel (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Pahari (Poonchi) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Disputed drafification. WP:DRAFTOBJECT applies. Fails WP:GNG 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 12:05, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: I don't know if I'm seeing enough here for an article.
The lone external link, presumably added to be a citation, does not contain the word "Pahari" at all after aCtrl+F.Problems with my in-browser PDF reader, thanks to IP for making me re-check. Yes, there are two instances of the word in the document.[1] I also doubt the reliability of the publication Journal of Language and Linguistics in Society itself. If there is a citation that could back up something said in the article, it could be merged to Pahari language or Poonch District, India (depending on what can be said and sourced) but I'm not sure I'm seeing that right now. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 13:46, 2 June 2025 (UTC)- Stricken in part and updated. Yes, it looks like the best merge/redirect target would be Pahari-Pothwari#Kashmir, Murree and the Galyat where it is already bolded. I'm not seeing much to merge that isn't already covered by the article. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 15:38, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Poonchi Pahari is a dialect of Pahari, falling under the Western Pahari group. It is closely related to other dialects such as Chibhali Pahari, Mirpuri Pahari, and Kotli Pahari. It is only a dialect and does not require a separate article or classification as a distinct language. Only a few words are pronounced differently, but they are easily understood by speakers of Chibhali or Mirpuri Pahari or any Pahari. Mutual intelligibility is high across these dialects. HistoryofKashmir (talk) 15:11, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Stricken in part and updated. Yes, it looks like the best merge/redirect target would be Pahari-Pothwari#Kashmir, Murree and the Galyat where it is already bolded. I'm not seeing much to merge that isn't already covered by the article. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 15:38, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. The entirety of what the link says is:
I'm no expert with this stuff (and can't judge the reliability of the source either), but is this just the same thing as Pahari-Pothwari? There's certainly nothing in the source to justify a separate article at the very least. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)In the southern areas of Poonch and Rajouri, the primary language is Poonchi, also known as Pahari or Potohari. This language is part of the Lahnda/Punjabi family within the broader Indo-Aryan languages
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- ^ Nazki, Sameeul Haq (17 September 2024). "The Difficulties of English Language Acquisition in the State of Jammu and Kashmir: A Critical Survey". Journal of Language and Linguistics in Society (45): 33–44. doi:10.55529/jlls.45.33.44.
- The Pink Shirt (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Setting aside the LTA SOCK creation, this is a web series that played at a film festival and then died. Sources are all promotional announcements, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, or otherwise unreliable. And yes, NEWSORGINDIA applies as it is based on the same principle. CNMall41 (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - confirming nominators description of the citations, mostly promotional and lacks significant coverage of the series. Draftify can be an ATD if any new independent coverage can be found.Lorraine Crane (talk) 15:59, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Chuknagar massacre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Has very few sources, most of the sources are Bengali sources which are not neutral. Fails WP:NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lt.gen.zephyr (talk • contribs) 06:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep passes WP:GNG. We can find enough reliable sources about the subject online. There might be some POV issues but the article doesn't fail WP:NOPV completely. Any POV related issues can be fixed by editing the article. Mehedi Abedin 07:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- None of the international media covered this news. The sources are highly controversial, as most of them are Bangladeshi sources which states pro-bengali narrative over a disputed event. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 08:42, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- Additionally, there is one BBC source which itself states "controversial" 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 08:43, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- and also a primary source contradicts the subject itself, such as Academic Sarmila Bose, in her controversial book.[4] dismisses claims that 10,000 were killed as "unhelpful", and argues that the reported number of attackers could have shot no more than several hundred people before running out of ammunition.. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 08:54, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- These arguments are not policy based. Controversial topic doesn't always mean non-notable. As the topic of the article is not originated from the controversy itself, the topic meets notability. Also, not covered by international news doesn't always mean that has to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 16:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- Not covered by international news refers to thing which has no credibility. If WW2 massacres were reported, I wonder why this wasn't reported by any international media. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 13:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Why is it essential to have an international media presence? Can you show this from Wikipedia's policies? Its no need to passes GNG by international coverage, it only need some depth coverage from reliable source. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 17:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Lt.gen.zephyr, Undoubtedly Its contain some depth coverage. So What is the abstraction to be natable this article. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 17:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- See my statement above and below. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 17:28, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Lt.gen.zephyr, Undoubtedly Its contain some depth coverage. So What is the abstraction to be natable this article. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 17:05, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Why is it essential to have an international media presence? Can you show this from Wikipedia's policies? Its no need to passes GNG by international coverage, it only need some depth coverage from reliable source. ~ Deloar Akram (Talk • Contribute) 17:00, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
- Not covered by international news refers to thing which has no credibility. If WW2 massacres were reported, I wonder why this wasn't reported by any international media. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 13:15, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- These arguments are not policy based. Controversial topic doesn't always mean non-notable. As the topic of the article is not originated from the controversy itself, the topic meets notability. Also, not covered by international news doesn't always mean that has to be deleted. Mehedi Abedin 16:37, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- None of the international media covered this news. The sources are highly controversial, as most of them are Bangladeshi sources which states pro-bengali narrative over a disputed event. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 08:42, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep passes WP:GNG. Fails WP:NPOV is not a rational for deletion.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 09:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- A massacre must be covered by both national and international media. In this case only a few pro bengali sources claim this, and even the sources contradict the article. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 10:11, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment- The updated version has a few more sources, among them most of them are Indian sources applying Pro-Bangladeshi narrative as the alleged massacre was allegedly done by Pakistani forces. However, some facts about this sources —
- 1) [1] this source about the massacre states A few days after the massacre, on 26 March 1971, Bangladesh declared its independence from Pakistan...
Whereas the infobox states the massacre took place on 20th may. Hence this source contradicts the event.
2) [2] - This source states 30 soldiers couldnt do such a big massacre within a short span of time with the amount of bullets they had. So this source also partially contradicts the article.
3) [3] This source states These figures have been challenged by a critic, given that most witnesses agreed that the number of perpetrators was only between 20 and 40, who had arrived on only up to four vehicles. This would mean, as she objected, that each soldier and officer would have killed 150 to 500 people within about five hours. 65 Was this possible, and could they have even carried so much ammunition
This source also states that this was partially impossible. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 10:28, 30 May 2025 (UTC)- You are clearly not neutral and have created this AFD with a battlefield mentality."A massacre must be covered by both national and international media." But why? Is this a content dispute or are you saying the article is not notable? These are two different things. Does the size the massacre change it from being a massacre? Does the nom believe there was no massacre or Bangladesh Genocide? Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:35, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- None of the notable international media covered this, only a few national media did. The sources are faulty enough, they contradict themselves. Other massacres, such as Katyn massacre, Srebrenica massacre, Nanjing Massacre are well documented by neutral sources. 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 19:20, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- You are clearly not neutral and have created this AFD with a battlefield mentality."A massacre must be covered by both national and international media." But why? Is this a content dispute or are you saying the article is not notable? These are two different things. Does the size the massacre change it from being a massacre? Does the nom believe there was no massacre or Bangladesh Genocide? Vinegarymass911 (talk) 13:35, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep Highly notable massacre. Also disagree with the nom over Bengali sources. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 13:35, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- Highly notable with disputed sources which contradicts the massacre itself? 𝗭𝗲𝗽𝗵𝘆𝗿 (ᴛᴀʟᴋ) 17:03, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
- There is a dispute over the total number of deaths, however the topic is notable. I would suggest you to remove figures and "motive" from the infobox. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 12:41, 2 June 2025 (UTC)
- Chattha Dynasty (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Most of the sources give information about a clan by the name of the Chatthas but nothing about any sort of dynasty. There's already a separate article for the clan any under Chattha (clan) anyway.
Given that it is hard to find any substantive information from a reliable source about a "Chattha dynasty", I feel the article should be deleted and any relevant sources or info can be moved to the article relating to the clan. Ixudi (talk) 15:42, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
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- There are Multiple sources of a Chattha principality/state.
- E.g 1. http://archive.org/details/TheEncyclopediaOfSikhism-VolumeIA-d
- 2.
- https://books.google.com/books?id=rKkPEAAAQBAJ&dq=Chattha+rule&pg=PA83
- 3.
- https://books.google.co.uk/books?redir_esc=y&id=lD9uAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=Pir
- As I explained while removing the deletion template. The name of this page is chosen as "Chattha Dynasty" because all of the ruling chieftains were from the same family.
- The order being Nur Muhammad and his son Pir and Ahmad Chathha then Pir's son Ghualm Chattha and then Ghulams son Jan Chattha. So that is why "Dynasty" is an appropriate term.
- If the name is the issue that can be discussed separately.
- The article should stay on wikipedia space because it highlights a significant regional power in 18th-century Punjab and a less known prospect of punjabi history. Jatwadia (talk) 23:01, 29 May 2025 (UTC)
- These sources all refer to a Chhatha clan. Not a dynasty. Ixudi (talk) 15:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- Source 1 clearly mentions a Chattha state on page 449 if you read carefully.
- Source 2 "Occupants of areas such as Rasulnagar on the border between the Punjab and afghan lands" this source proves they were independent rulers and not tributary to Afghans and had thier own teritories such as Rasulnagar.
- Source 3 clearly mentions Pir Muhammad Chattha succeding a "principality" from his father.
- Again the "dynasty" bit is not the issue the point being is that an independant Chattha state/principality existed which was ruled over by the same family that is why it is called a dynasty. Jatwadia (talk) 23:59, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- These sources all refer to a Chhatha clan. Not a dynasty. Ixudi (talk) 15:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
- 2013 Pakistan gas bus explosion (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Causing deaths and being reported in the news do not confer notability, and high-casualty bus crashes are common. Fails WP:EVENT. Unable to find sustained significant coverage. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 04:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 03:35, 4 June 2025 (UTC)
- Umair (music producer) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. At first glance there appears to be significant coverage but looking closer you will see that most are not bylined, are from unreliable sources, or just routine coverage or mentions. CNMall41 (talk) 17:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep – Umair meets WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. His 2024 album Rockstar Without a Guitar peaked at #8 on Spotify Pakistan and was featured in Genius Community’s 25 Best Albums of 2024 (ThePrint). His single “Asli Hai” topped YouTube Pakistan charts (Music Metrics Vault). Covered by reliable sources like Samaa TV, ThePrint, Wordplay Magazine, and Itz Hip Hop. Producer for notable duo Young Stunners. Meets NMUSIC via charting work, media coverage, and national significance.
— Behappyyar (talk) 15:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- NMUSICIAN would not be met based on charting. Spotify and YouTube are not acceptable under WP:CHART. Also, being a producer for someone notable does not come with inherent notability. Can you address the non-bylined references? Do you feel these are reliable and if so how? For WP:GNG, you are also cited press releases above which can never be used for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- @CNMall41 While it’s true that WP:CHART places limits on YouTube/Spotify data for standalone notability, those indicators support broader cultural relevance under WP:NMUSIC#1 and WP:GNG. Chart placements help demonstrate impact in the absence of traditional charts in South Asia, where mainstream media often lags behind independent or digital-first musicians.
- NMUSICIAN would not be met based on charting. Spotify and YouTube are not acceptable under WP:CHART. Also, being a producer for someone notable does not come with inherent notability. Can you address the non-bylined references? Do you feel these are reliable and if so how? For WP:GNG, you are also cited press releases above which can never be used for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding sources:
- Samaa TV and ThePrint are independent, professional outlets with editorial oversight and journalistic standards. These are not self-published or fan-driven and are widely accepted as RS in other music-related AfDs.
- The Itz Hip Hop review is bylined and analytical, not promotional; it contains critical assessment of Umair’s production and album structure.
- The Wordplay Magazine article, while regional, is independent and contains critical evaluation — see similar RS used in AfDs for artists in UK/India-Pak context.
- I accept that the ANI press release cannot count toward WP:GNG, but it was cited for factual support of chart placements, not to satisfy notability directly.
- Notability isn’t only about headlining credits. Umair is the primary producer behind Rebirth and Open Letter, two of the most discussed hip-hop albums in Pakistan — both critically reviewed in RS and recognized in independent retrospectives. His influence is creative and structural, meeting WP:NMUSIC#2 (“significant contribution to the work of others that is covered in reliable sources”).
— Behappyyar (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Playing a major role in major works proves notability. Could you give more info on the part he played and on the notability of those albums? — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Not to forget: Talha Anjum's most famous song Kaun Talha? in which he diss an Indian rapper Naezy was produced by Umair. [1] Behappyyar (talk) 15:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- @(Itzcuauhtli11) He served as the lead producer and co-composer on both Rebirth (2017) and Open Letter (2023), two landmark Urdu hip-hop albums in Pakistan.
- On Rebirth, Umair produced all 15 tracks for Young Stunners, a duo considered foundational to Pakistani rap. The album is credited with shaping the Urdu hip-hop scene and received wide media attention from outlets like SAMAA TV.[2]
- These albums are not just popular but culturally significant, marking key points in the evolution of Pakistani hip-hop. Umair’s complete production involvement and critical coverage of these albums demonstrate a major creative role in notable works, satisfying WP:NMUSIC#2 and strengthening his case under WP:GNG. [5]
References
- ^ "Indian rapper asks 'Talha Kaun?', Talha Anjum responds with a brutal diss track". Images.Dawn.com. Dawn Media Group. 21 May 2025. Retrieved 23 May 2025.
- ^ "Young Stunners' new Album Rebirth is a must listen". Samaa TV.
- ^ "Open Letter - Talha Anjum [Album Review]".
- ^ "Open Letter Talha Anjum's album blend of hip-hop and Urdu poetry".
- ^ "Umair and Jokhay The man behind the rise of Talha Anjum amd Talha Younas".
- There is a huge WP:WALLOFTEXT so I will only be addressing some of the main points. I wouldn't consider Young Stunners even notable despite having a Wikipedia page (that one needs to go to AfD as well). A single collaboration with a rapper is not something that gains inherent notability. Everything else is more of an WP:ILIKEIT argument. As far as the "landmark" albums you speak of, I would guess they would have enough coverage to warrant a Wikipedia page since they are landmark, yet I do not see it. Fact is, the coverage has some mentions, routine announcements, and unreliable sources (even a publication that is reliable like Dawn can have specific articles considered unreliable - see WP:NEWSORGINDIA). The rest of what you cited is not reliable (two blogs and Reddit?). If this artist was truly worthy of notice (a requirement of notability), there would be more than blog posts and promotional churnalism. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- CNMall41 This isn’t WP:ILIKEIT—his notability stems from his influence on multiple notable works. While some early coverage may be light or promotional, there is independent, reliable coverage (e.g., SAMAA TV, The Express Tribune, and Dawn articles/interviews) highlighting Umair’s production role. [4]. Behappyyar (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. The comment proves what I have been saying. You cite this which is a routine announcement and not-bylined. It is not reliable for the purpose of establishing notability. It is the same concept as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Finally, please do not cite interviews anymore. They are not independent and cannot be used to establish notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- The link i have shared Umair slides into Genius Top Albums of the Year is not a routine announcement. It highlights Umair’s recognition by Genius alongside global artists like Beyoncé. This editorial coverage by a reliable source (The Express Tribune) goes beyond routine mentions and supports notability per WP:GNG. Behappyyar (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Already stated numerous times. It is NOT BYLINED and falls under similar concerns as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Articles published under "news desk" or "webdesk" have consistently found to be unreliable for notability purposes as they are promotional churnalism, not something in-depth written by a journalist. Please see WP:CIR. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- The link i have shared Umair slides into Genius Top Albums of the Year is not a routine announcement. It highlights Umair’s recognition by Genius alongside global artists like Beyoncé. This editorial coverage by a reliable source (The Express Tribune) goes beyond routine mentions and supports notability per WP:GNG. Behappyyar (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. The comment proves what I have been saying. You cite this which is a routine announcement and not-bylined. It is not reliable for the purpose of establishing notability. It is the same concept as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Finally, please do not cite interviews anymore. They are not independent and cannot be used to establish notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: would benefit from additional input. Contributors are also reminded to please refrain from using LLMs to generate walls of text, as they don't help anyone. Write your own arguments, please.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 08:19, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Delete: I lean to agree with CNMall41; most of the articles with SIGCOV doesn't mention the author of the article, and all of them have promotional undertones. The Rolling Stones review is nice, checks all the boxes for a good sources (except the promotional vibes). If we can find another 2+ sources of the quality of this Rolling Stones article, we can save the article. This source also has a little bit specifically on Umair. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 16:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
- I actually thought the Rolling Stone reference was okay, but when I looked closer during a WP:BEFORE, I saw it was Rolling Stone India which is not Rolling Stone and has different (if any) oversight authority. Should be treated similar to Forbes India or Entrepreneur India. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)