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File:Logical data view.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT ⚡ 07:05, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This file is an image with only text elements. It can be easily substituted by text formatted with <pre>, which I did at UVC-based_preservation#Logical_Data_View. --Joaopaulo1511 (talk) 11:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per nomination. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, orphaned with no obvious value. Salavat (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Cuties poster.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn/kept -FASTILY 05:13, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Image fails replaceability and minimality, as File:Cuties Netflix poster.jpg can be used which is on the same article Cuties. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sundayclose and Locke Cole: both reverted me when I tried to helpfully fix this issue.-- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There was nothing to fix. Your edit was not helpful. —Locke Cole • t • c 16:53, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there was. And this nomination has been withdrawn anyways. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:35, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Both images are under copyright by Netflix. The one your are nominating for deletion is the current poster for the film and has been in the article since it was created. Why do you think your suggested replacement is allowed under fair use and not the other one? Sundayclose (talk) 18:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I stated in the nomination it fails replaceability and minimality. There is not rule saying we have to use the current poster or the poster that has been in the article since it was created. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:39, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Emir of Wikipedia: You didn't answer my question. There are two images that have been used in the infobox: the one you have nominated for deletion that was in the article when it was created, and the one you tried to replace it with. Both are under copyright by Netflix. Both can be used in the infobox under fair use. Why are you specifically nominating File:Cuties poster.jpg for deletion when either one can be used? Sundayclose (talk) 19:00, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is about one image. If you think another image should be deleted then feel free to nominate it, but having one case of copyright infringement is not an excuse to have another. And also I don't know why you keep saying both are under copyright by Netflix, when the image I have nominated says the copyright holder is BAC Films. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:06, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Emir of Wikipedia: Nominating an image for deletion simply because you prefer another one is not appropriate. If you want to discuss which image should be used in the infobox, the appropriate place to do that is on the article's talk page. Please read WP:Image use policy#Deleting images. A copyright is a copyright; it doesn't matter who owns the copyright. You haven't provided any basis whatsoever for this deletion. And please don't go around in a circle and again claim that the one you have nominated doesn't fall under fair use. Both images are allowed under fair use. NOTE TO CLOSER: This is an inappropriate nomination for deletion. Sundayclose (talk) 19:17, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I am not saying I prefer another, you are don't try to project your argument as mine. I did not say a copyright was not a copyright, I was just asking why you claimed multiple times it was copyrighted by Netflix when the file page did not say that. I have provided a basis for deletion, you just don't like it. I am not going around in a circle, you are project your argument as mine. Fair use is based on minimal usage, there is no need to have two images. There was no need for that "note" to closer, as this a nomination for deletion that is appropriate. (no need to ping me on reply) Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:53, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both. A) This is not a Netflix film. This is a French theatrical film that was added to Netflix in August. B) The Netflix marketing (both poster and summary) sparked controversy by making it seem like an inapproprite film. There is no reason to remove either poster as both posters are critically reviewed in the article. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:32, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This image is not critically reviewed in the article, the other image is. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Netflix replaced the poster with a new one, [... which] depicts the 11-year-old girls wearing panties and bras over their clothing while celebrating". Although it is inaccurate as it is not "new", they merely reused the original. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Further, it is not too hard to find sources about it either: "The trailer also shows a scene of the girls laughing and running down the street clutching shopping bags, wearing bras and underwear over their clothing. A still from that scene was the film’s original release poster."[1] or "On the left below is the original French poster (which I believe Netflix is now using), and on the right is the Netflix poster that first generated backlash" [2]. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 20:10, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep original and there's likely a reason to keep the Netflix version given the mess the film has gotten in the States given how that version appears to sexualize the young girls (the central part of the mess) -- but that needs stronger rational beyond the scope of this discussion. The first image is the poster of the original film - it's not Netflix's film - and thus seems wholly appropriate to use. --Masem (t) 19:41, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw nomination I am withdrawing this nomination. It is not worth the treatment I am receiving from Sundayclose. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:11, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Including them now threatening to take me to WP:ANI. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 20:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Misrepresentation of facts, but no surprise there. Sundayclose (talk) 15:43, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"If you want to test the matter we can take it up at WP:ANI". Hardly seems like a misrepresentation, and this nomination has been withdrawn anyways. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:00, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That comment is an excellent example of my point. The issue was whether you would repeatedly message me against my expressed wishes, a point that you conveniently omitted here. It had nothing to do with this nomination for deletion. Most Wikipedia readers and editors aren't stupid. They are capable of clicking the link and reading for themselves without your overbearing attempts to impose your personal bias into a situation. As on other talk pages, however, this talk page is not the place for a personal dispute so I will no longer be responding here to your false accusations. You and I are finished here. Sundayclose (talk) 16:08, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good to hear you are finished here even if you did fork of this discussion in so many places. I think it ironic that you misrepresenting facts now and trying claim I was imposing my personal bias into the situation though, and claiming I was making false accusations when it was in fact you. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 16:12, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Additional context at Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content#Image_nominated_for_deletion_simply_because_an_editor_doesn't_like_it. -- Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 10:59, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Keep, we don't delete content because an editor doesn't like it. —Locke Cole • t • c 16:53, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Adding on, it is a minimal use and it is not replaceable. The other image the editor references was an entirely different, controversial, poster that was only used in the United States by Netflix for a short time. The image being discussed meets the critical commentary requirements of fair-use on Wikipedia, as does the Netflix variant due to it's controversial nature. This is a bad faith nomination that was meant to side-step a local discussion on the article talk page. —Locke Cole • t • c 17:08, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This was not a bad faith nomination, and it was not meant to side-step any discussion. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You removed the image from the article page where it had been for many months and replaced it with a completely different and withdrawn image only used in one locality. You did not discuss this change on the article talk page, and the reasons provided here are tenuous at best. —Locke Cole • t • c 19:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination has been withdrawn, and it had nothing to do with whether I liked it or not. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:36, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, you chose it over the other image which would have qualified for deletion for the exact same reason had the images been reversed, so if you didn't "like it", what criteria did you use to choose it over the other image? —Locke Cole • t • c 19:08, 11 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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