User talk:Uncle G/Archive/2007-01-01

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A barnstar in honor of the first in the east & first in the west...The Great Philosopher Pickelbarrel

I Have gifted you Administraor UncleG with this barnstar to show what a great instructer you have been in helping the pickelbarrel become as amazing and wonderful as he is pickelbarrel 01:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

La Salle University (book)

What are you talking about? That summary wasn't taken from Amazon! That summary is from the publisher. I gave the publisher credit, and Amazon didn't! Lasallefan 19:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

...did you check this out yet? 192.160.62.60 12:59, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Transwiki Log

Hello Uncle G, sorry to be the first to trod on your freshly wiped talk page. Happy New Year at any rate. I am a relatively new user and I am trying to find some good chores to undertake. I noticed that the transwiki log has a backlog and that you were quite active there, so I have come to you for advice. I can't make heads or tales of exactly what one would do over there. If you wouldn't mind, I would appreciate a quick "how-to help us out over here at transwiki" for us non-admin-and-kind-of-new types. Thank you in advance for any advice you are willling to provide. Movementarian 10:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

• Transwikification does not require administrator privileges. One doesn't even need an account in order to transwikify articles. The thing about transwikification is not that it requires privileges, but that it is a lengthy procedure. One has to edit four separate pages for each article transwikified, and do a lot of tedious copying and formatting of edit histories. There are several GFDL-mandated details that it is easy to miss. This is why several editors have written various semi-automatic tools that will handle all of the detailed rote work involved.

  And those are just the raw technicalities of copying the articles in a GFDL-compliant way. There are other considerations as well, such as dealing with the article on the target project. There's a tag that should be applied to every article transwikified into the Wikibooks Cookbook, for example.

  But the actual transwikification of articles is not the whole story. There are other, simpler, things that you can help out with:

  • Scan Category:Move to Wiktionary for any articles where Wiktionary already has an article and eject the article from the transwiki queue. (To discourage re-listing, put a {{wiktionarypar}} tag on the article pointing to the relevant dictionary article and try to fix any use-mention distinction errors in the article as per the Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Use_of_.27refers_to.27.)
  • Move any word list articles from Category:Move to Wiktionary to Category:Word lists to be moved to Wiktionary by changing the template.
  • Scan the Wikipedia:Transwiki log and see what can be done with any articles that have already been transwikified, as per the guidelines on that page.
  • Scan Category:Vocabulary and usage stubs for articles that are not actually about vocabulary and usage at all, and encourage the stub sorters to sort them into stub categories that are actually appropriate.
• Uncle G 16:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for the guidance. Movementarian 17:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Multiple AFD nominations

Good afternoon, Uncle G. Please don't move AFD nominations around unless you have the time to correct every link. In the case of Once Moore, you orphaned the original nomination and broke the link which had been in the renomination. OwenX and I have cleaned it up but frankly we're curious why you bothered. The Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foo (2nd nomination) format has always seemed to work fine in the past. Why mess with it? Rossami (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

• I thought that I had corrected every link. And I bothered because the nomination as it stood was broken. I was fixing it. Both the transclusion and the AFD notice pointed to the original, closed, discussion, rather than the new discussion. Uncle G 19:47, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Old Testament

Some religiously biased users are trying to delete A wife confused for a sister, an article discussing the strikingly similar Abraham&Abimelech (Genesis 20-21), Isaac&Abimelech (Genesis 26), and Pharaoh&Abraham (Genesis 12), incidents where the Abraham/Isaac's wife is confused by Pharaoh/Abimelech for their sister, and a later treaty occurs at Beersheba.

The reason they have given for deletion is "it is entirely based on biblical criticism". I.e. they are trying to have the article deleted because it is based on academic knowledge and not on religiously prejudiced guesswork.

It actually also includes a non-biblical-criticism summary of the passages, and additionally discussion of Midrash views and stances.

The sources are the JewishEncyclopedia article on Beersheba, and Abimelech (section 3), and also minor aspects of the Sarah, Isaac, Abraham, and Rebekah articles; Israel Finkelstein concerning the archaeology of Beersheba; Friedmann, Noth, etc. (e.g. "Who wrote the Bible") for much of the documentary hypothesis portions.

Would you consider voting on the AFD concerning the article? I would like it kept. --User talk:FDuffy 20:51, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

• I suggest that the very first thing that you do is add a ==References== section to that article and fill it with the sources that you used, to demonstrate that you are presenting established scholarly viewpoints and not original research. It's no good mentioning the sources on my talk page. Readers won't find them here. They must go into the article. ☺ Uncle G 21:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Alkhemi and Aladin

Hi, back in October05 you participated in the deletion-discussion about a company called Alkhemi ([1]), which was subsequently deleted with your vote. Now the same deletion question is posed for another article about the man behind Alkhemi, a magician who calls himself Aladin. Despite being a truly bad article (extremely biased, outrages claims are made, and the sources used to back up those claims consist largely out of tiny newspaper snippets that are blown up out of proportion to make the subject sound like the second coming of the christ), the vote is so far flooded with "keep" votes, which might be because of dozens of sockpuppets, so I'd like to invite you to add your vote about this matter to tip the balance. The vote is here. Thank you :-) Peter S. 21:06, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Taint

Thought you might be interested in this one, thanks/wangi 13:38, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Home and Away

Hi, you have made a comment on the afd for various Home&Away character articles. I have had a go at combining all the articles in a single article (which I admit still needs a lot of work). You can find it at Current Home and Away characters. I suggest we keep this article are either delete or re-direct the others. What do you think? Thanks, Evil Eye 13:09, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Today

I've redirected this page to the main AFC talk page at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation. Could you get your bot to stop moving the talk along with the project page, so the redirect stays intact? - Mgm|^(talk) 13:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

• I've added the requisite flag. The next run will be the test. Uncle G 14:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
• Doesn't seem to have worked, the link is dead again. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
• Scratch that. Don't know what I was looking at. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Cyberslacking

I notice that you changed Cyberslacking's stub tag back for a second time from {{Vocab-stub}} to {{stub}}. You may or may not be aware that the {{stub}} tag is deprecated and we at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting are trying to have less articles in the category, not more. If you disagree with a stub's classification, might I respectfully ask that you find a more appropriate stub type and change it, rather than simply reverting back to {{stub}}.

I have taken what I consider the easiest way to resolve the problem and have expanded the article so that it no longer needs a stub tag. Stifle 10:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• I find it most ironic that the stub sorters who ask me to find appropriate stub categories are the ones who have come here because they aren't in fact doing that themselves in the first place. Stub sorters who don't understand stub sorting keep explaining the goal is for Category:Stubs to be empty and for {{stub}} to be deprecated. That is not the actual goal of stub sorting. Ironically, the goal is to avoid doing the very thing that you are doing by sorting into {{vocab-stub}} in the way that you are. I'm putting the tag back to {{stub}} in part to encourage you to do your stub sorting properly, instead of regarding {{vocab-stub}} as some sort of miscellany, which it isn't. There is only one miscellany in the stub sorting project. See User talk:Uncle G/Archive/2006-01-01#vocab-stubs, and indeed the talk page of the stub sorting project itself. Uncle G 13:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Freddy

There's no such word in Wikitionary. I can't see the point why you insist on adding it into the article. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 15:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

• It's standard practice for name disambiguation articles. And that there's no dictionary article now doesn't mean that there won't be an article in the future. Rather than remove the link, which is a step backwards instead of forwards, simply start the article that you are complaining is missing. See Benedict for what you should be aiming for. Uncle G 16:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

moved page: User:Nesbear

You moved a misplaced talk comment from this page to the talk page using the move page function. When you do this, it automatically creates a redirect at the old name. I have fixed this problem for User:Nesbear, but you may wish to go back and see if you have inadvertently done this elsewhere. WAvegetarian ^(talk) (email) ^(contribs) 04:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

• I know what moving a page does, thanks. I've done it a few times, now. ☺ There wasn't actually a problem to be fixed. I left it entirely up to Nesbear as to what to do with xyr user page. Xe could have edited out the redirect, left it as it stood, or asked for the page to be speedily deleted. I did not make that decision for xem. Uncle G 04:43, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Sorry, when I made the original comment I hadn't really noted who you were, namely a seasoned editor and admin. When I said "for User:Nesbear" I was referring to the page, not the user. I agree that xe should be free to modify xyr own page as xe see fit, however xe is a new user and might have trouble understanding the redirect or why it appears on xyr user page and no one else's. That's why I changed it. WAvegetarian ^(talk) (email) ^(contribs) 05:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Taint

I have expanded upon the taint article and think it is now much more than a dictonary def. Please take a look and let me know if you'll reconsider your vote to delete.--Cenestrad 16:27, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Do what exactly?

Sorry, must've assumed I knew how to do something I didn't Can you rell me what I shoudl do slightly mroe slowly? Thanks. The Land 22:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

• Don't close the existing AFD discussions and then start new ones. Simply re-transclude the existing discussions, leaving them open, onto today's per-day page. Uncle G 22:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
  • OK. Got ya. Thanks!! The Land 22:48, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Wonderfool revisited

So what if I'm Wonderfool? I've admitted all my nihilartikels (OK, to be fair, I misused the word nihilartikel - what I meant was "articles that I thought don't warrant an entry in Wikipedia". So all should be cleared to have me reinstated now. And I've apologized alreadt too. In various pages under various names. But I'd like to stay put and NOT be banned please, otherwise I'll only just get another username and edit anyway. Cheers Uncle. --Wonderfool 23:25, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'm the wrong person to be addressing your request to. The Arbitration Committee and Jimbo make the decisions about who is banned or not. Please talk to them directly. Uncle G 01:56, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
  • No worries anyway, the blocks don't last so long. Next time I get a new username (sockpuppet, whatever), I'll just not make it associated with Wonderfool. But that'll be a bitch --Doofordoo 20:05, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

MOSDAB

Before you revert Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) yet again, would you mind coming to the talk page and discussing the change? Several editors now question your contention that that page and the guide to writing better articles are in conflict at all. —Wahoofive (talk) 23:53, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

• Then I can only surmise that they haven't read the pages. It is plain that the two pages are in conflict. One says to use "refers to" and the other says not to use "refers to". The conflict couldn't be clearer. Uncle G 01:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The appropriate talk page seems a much better place than here to explain your argument. I, for one, don't see the applicability of an article writing guide to disambiguation pages as beyond question, though I agree with you about consistency, and the basic semantic principle of using "is" over "refers to". -GTBacchus^(talk) 02:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Dismabiguation articles are articles, too. And I explained my argument four months ago, on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation#.22refers_to.22. Uncle G 02:40, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Western Journalism Center

I can't believe you beat me to creating this one! We should have more anons citing like that. Could you please make sure to include the IP of the suggester in your edit summary with your next creation (last time I checked it was a requirement to attribute the suggestion as to comply with the GFDL). - Mgm|^(talk) 08:53, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• That was lax of me, yes. Uncle G 09:03, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikisource

Hi you tagged four articles for deltion over at WS without making an entry on s:Wikisource:Proposed deletions. They were some tables of astronomical data. The author (I assume) of the articles left message on propsosed deltions about wanting the deletion tag removed, but I'm not even sure why you tagged them. Please enlighten me!--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 22:22, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

• The reason is given in the parameter to the template. Uncle G 23:32, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I found it! Just so you know that template doesn't display parameters. I could only see your reason by going to the edit screen. --Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 00:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

VFD

Is the mention of the previous vfd on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circumcision fetish (second nomination) that you added a subst:'d template? And which one?

• Are you talking about the link to the prior AFD discussion that I added at the top? That's not a template. I type those in longhand. ☺ Uncle G 23:51, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes. Thank you. --Phroziac _. o º ^{O (♥♥♥♥ chocolate!)} 17:16, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh (censored)

Heya, I really apologise for this. I was using GodMode Light. I am aware that it makes < into what even it may be in those numbers. If you could tell me how to fix this, I would appreciate it. I was not trying to damage the Wikipedia, I mean one of my aims is to protect it from vandals. Then I go and accidently vandalise it myself. Sorry. ComputerJoe 16:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• No worries. Just fix the tool. Your best bet for fixing it is its author, rather than me. Uncle G 16:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

REVERTER

Why did you revert my edits? 68.77.139.51 20:18, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• Since as far as I can tell I haven't reverted any of your edits, your question is a loaded question that takes a falsehood as its premise, and is thus unanswerable. Mu. Uncle G 21:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

is there any time wikipedia should be considered a dictionary???

Uncle G you seem to be abit unclear to me in your oppinions, I noticed you took out satanic as per my concerns, but you left in police academy. I am not sure why this is. Do you believe there are certain times when its okay for wikipedia to act as a dictionary or not? You seem abit unclear in this matter, and I am curious as to your reasoning.

• satanic was a dictionary article about the adjective satanic. police academy is an encyclopaedia article about police academies. The second sentence of police academy tells readers about who sometimes runs police academies, for example. It's a short article, but "short article" and "dictionary article" are not synonymous. A dictionary article about the phrase "police academy" would tell readers about the etymology, pronunciation, translations, alternative spellings, inflections, relations, and usages of the phrase, and wouldn't be about police academies themselves. Some editors conflate "stub encyclopaedia article" and "stub dictionary article", because they are very similar (but not quite identical) in appearance. (Some editors conflate stub dictionary articles with full dictionary articles, too.) But an encyclopaedia article and a dictionary article are two different things. See use-mention distinction and encyclopaedic dictionary. (Ignore the part in the latter that conflates stub dictionary articles with full dictionary articles. Full dictionary articles are not short.) Uncle G 00:06, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

take a bad "taint"...and make it better

Im curious to know weather you have any plans to improve upon the taint article that seems to have irritated you in its present form. Perhaps you can add some more facts or a few sentences such as"many people find the taint erotic" (Im sure you can improve on this) similar to the police academy article makeing this more acceptable to you and giving us all a much stronger taint in the process. It would seem logical to try and improve that which hasnt been destroyed. 12:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

comment move from user page

I noticed this edit on you user page, which if at all, should have been made to this page. --Alf ^melmac 18:08, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Block of User:Katherinejohnson

With very much due respect, and no attack meant; your block of Katherinejohnson was premature. I was trying to work with her and bring her around to understanding the Wiki way, while holding out the possibility that I would block her if her actions kept up. Your block undermined that effort. 24 hours is also a bit long for a first time block in this case. I will not undo your block; I don't engage in wheel wars. But, I would ask you to consider whether you think your block was incorrect or not, and take appropriate action if needed. If you do decide to unblock or reduce the block, an apology to Katherinejohnson might be in order. Thank you for your consideration. --Durin 18:26, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• It doesn't undermine your effort to talk to xem. You can still communicate, and indeed are communicating, with xem on xyr talk page during that time. From Wikipedia:Blocking policy: For static IPs and user names, such blocks should initially last 24 hours, Uncle G 18:33, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
  • What does it contribute to the project to block this person when diplomacy is ongoing? In my opinion, it just serves to upset the user. Again, I encourage you to undo the block. --Durin 18:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
    • It prevents AFD discussions from continually being blanked whilst you talk to the user, which is what was happening up until that point. Uncle G 18:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Noting Wikipedia:Blocking policy, "However, user accounts that perform a mixture of valid edits and vandalism should not be blocked in this manner." and "Blocks should not be used against isolated incidents of vandalism." This user was coming around, if slowly. I've been working to do so and I think I'm making progress. To come along and slap a block on her while this is ongoing, especially without a warning on your part, really undermined my efforts. If you had placed a warning, I could have sent you a message letting you know what was happening. The situation was under control; if she kept on doing what she was doing I would have blocked her myself. But, after my last warning, she stopped. --Durin 18:39, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I gave the user a very clear warning, some several hours ago. Xe read it and blanked it. Check the history of xyr talk page. I noted that the user had been warned multiple times in the block summary. I also pointed out the two blankings that xe performed after that warning in the explanation for the block that I gave to the user. That, too, was read and blanked. Uncle G 18:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
      • And the user has made good faith attempts at trying to add content to Wikipedia. And, I was working with the user to bring her around to the wiki-way. Blocking her while this was happening was undermining of my efforts. I would have hoped you would have read what I was doing before blocking her. Read her talk page now. She IS coming around. Blocking her didn't help matters; it made it worse. --Durin 18:50, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
        • It is you who didn't read what other editors had been doing beforehand. This user had already been asked to stop blanking pages by several editors, hours before your first edit to xyr talk page. Again, check the history of xyr talk page. Not only have you not checked the history of the user's talk page, you have not even checked the user's contributions history. None of the user's edits following my warning were "good faith attempts at trying to add content to Wikipedia". The user made no such contributions. All of the user's edits to article space and to AFD after being warned not to remove AFD notices and to blank pages, because continuing to do so will result in a block, have been to remove AFD notices and to blank pages. (one example). The user continued. A block resulted, as was warned. Uncle G 19:07, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
          • Obviously we are going to disagree with this. I did check the user's history, and in fact undid some the vandalism they were doing. I checked into this at the request of Cyde by way of IRC. I was working with the user, trying to turn them around. This effort has been yielding some benefits. You and I apparently disagree with the approach to newbies. You'd rather stomp on them for failure to follow policy, and I would rather work with them until they prove they can't be worked with. I have known good editors who have started wikilife as straight vandals. This user isn't even a straight vandal, but a person trying to make contributions to the project who just doesn't understand how things work around here. Read her talk page now. Do you really, honestly, truthfully think this person is a straight vandal? Do you really think a 24 hour block is having a positive effect on the project and this person? I realize the former is more important than the latter, but let's remember this project works because volunteers contribute, so how we handle people is important as well. Stomping on them when they are trying to contribute isn't productive. You apparently think it is. You're within the bounds of policy to think that and act as you did. I was just hoping for more consideration of what was going on at the moment than a simple block. --Durin 19:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
            • If you had checked the contributions history, you would not have described it as "good faith attempts at trying to add content to Wikipedia" as you did. And no, this is not "stomping upon newbies" as you describe it, either. This is several editors asking the user several times not to do something, culminating in a warning that continuing to do it will result in a block that will prevent the user from participating in an important discussion, and then blocking when the user even then continues regardless. Your characterizations of both my and other editors' actions and the user's actions are highly erroneous. Uncle G 19:46, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
              • So, her creating articles on some movies and a director is straight vandalism then? Is that the lesson you'd like to have conveyed from this? Again, please see her talk page now. She IS coming around. Blocking her has done nothing to help. The point of blocks is to prevent further damage to the project. It isn't intended to be punitive against people. I do, however, understand your position. There are plenty of people who have and will do just as you have done in your position. I just find it unfortunate that some would take the action of blocking her when there was ongoing discussion on bringing her around. The project works by fostering people along. You too made your first edit once upon a time. You didn't know everything then either. She's a newbie. She doesn't understand how the wiki works...yet...but she's learning. She had the erroneous idea that articles she writes belong to her. I've been educating her out of that, and I think she understands that now. --Durin 19:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
                • Your characterizations continue to be erroneous, and now you are creating straw men and teaching your grandmother to suck eggs, too. Preventing further damage to the project whilst you talk to the user is exactly what is happening here. Not only have you not read the user's talk page history and contributions history, you haven't even read what I wrote right at the top of this very discussion. Uncle G 00:21, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
                  • Obviously this discussion is over. Sorry I bothered you. --Durin 16:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

copyright problems problems

Please check what your bot is doing to Wikipedia:Copyright problems/NewListings note this history where it has done Jan 11 twice. -- RHaworth 08:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

• I had already spotted that it did January the 11th twice last run. I'm still trying to find out why. I suspect clock drift and a race condition with the NTP client. I thought that I'd caught and manually corrected all of the mistakes. Uncle G 16:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

TAINT no mountain tall enough

I was curious as to weather you were intending to add to what (in my oppinion) has become a fantastic article on the taint. I noticed that wangi had and was hoping that you might take a note from his book and help to make an article that you once opposed into one that is quite informative. I have tried to add things myself, but am not really smart enough to get the idea. A couple ideas I have that you can use (should you wish to put the past behind us and work together) would be adding that it the word is actually a double counjuntion between a pronoun and the already slang word "ain't" (combining am and not). Or for abit of insight as to the duration of the word you could research on the phrase boston irish gamblers would use concerning the belief that scotsmen brought bad luck to a poker table coined "the smell of his scottish taint" or "the smell of the scotsmens taint". My grandmother and great uncle mentioned the term but I havent found any info to support it, and thought that since you have such a wealth of knowledge perhaps you might know, or be able to find, more. thanking you in advance Pickelbarrel 17:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belizean Kriol language

Uh-oh. I'm sorry about that. I misunderstood from the request that the content AND history had already been merged. I checked the Talk page for any controvery about the move, but I wastn't thinking properly about the history. Looking back on it, I should have realized the history was still there. Thanks for your note, I'll try to be more careful. Johntex\^talk 20:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

• No worries. I've undeleted and fixed up the history. Uncle G 21:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The White Rose Society (website)

My apologies, but I do not know what you are talking about. I never said such a thing. -MegamanZero|Talk 04:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

• "Please register your vote by typing in [...] please limit discussion to the discussion subsection of this voting area". New editors thinking that there is a vote, and a ballot to be stuffed, is exactly what we don't want. Conversely, discussion — rational discussion based upon our policies and guidelines — is what we do want. Uncle G 06:02, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that. Indeed. Regarding that, I'm sure you were aware of the edit warring and constant bickering going on, and that template set the ground rules out nicely. As per the Admin noticeboard, things had gotten out of hand, and making a clear distinction between what goes on an what doesn't go on in a AFD is noted. Also take into consideration, that anon users almost never come in at random and participate in conflicts such as this on a AFD discussion page. Although I did assume good faith and decided to think better, the notice worked out nicely, and the AFD is going smoothly. I see your point of course, but this is a rare situation, and it needed to be done. -MegamanZero|Talk 15:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Help:Starting a new page

Thanks for your quick and succinct answer. I am still very much a newbie. —>normxxx_talk—> email 06:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

TAINTED LOVE

UNCLE, Ive noticed that you still havent responded to my last message and while Im sure its not your intent, Im starting to wonder if you arent disregarding me as a newbie thats not worth wasting your time with. I hope this is not the case. If you do not wish to add to the taint article because of time constaints or other business at hand I can truely understand this, or if you are busy looking into ways that you may take ideas and add on to the article I am elated that you have choosen to do so, but as it stands I am not sure weather I should work with you or move on and try to do it myself. I am not nearly as good at fact finding as I assume you are, so I thought this would be a great way to "shake hands" after a great debate and work together. We live in a model of democracyand I feel its important to focus on the positive roles that brings along with it. The very fact that we both can type on computors and have the time to discuss such an article makes us in a better position than much of the worlds population, but its important to keeep democracy strong by working together even when we initally disagreed. It is only by working together that we can make our ourselvews grow. Heres hoping you will "get on board" Pickelbarrel 15:06, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day

After I stopped laughing I instantly knew I had to seek out and personally thank the creator of that brilliant prose. So yeah...thank you for making me laugh so hard. It should be a WP:CSD. -- Krash 15:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

The Great Taint Debate

A friend of mine e-mailed me somthing called the great taint debate. I have to say it was pretty funny but I am not sure on one of your point. Is wikipedia a dictonary? I can't really tell from what you have written.--Pamento 22:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)--Pamento 22:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey Uncle G, I've just got to smile at the attention you're getting! ;)/wangi 22:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

wiktionary vs wiktionarypar

What's the benefit of wiktionarypar over wiktionary? (I just wanna learn.) Ewlyahoocom 01:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

• The former doesn't require parameter defaulting, since it is always used with a parameter, and doesn't create such a great server load, since it doesn't invoke the search function whenever a reader follows an interwiki link. Uncle G 03:14, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation

Why are the submissions from yesterday still on the main page? Isn't it supposed to be cleared with each archiving? I've also made changes to the archived page, so I don't think you can overwrite it with a move now. - Mgm|^(talk) 15:04, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

• Ah, I found the problem. The first line was a stray redirect which hid all the following submissions. - Mgm|^(talk) 15:10, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes. The final edit of the process, to blank the redirect, didn't take. The 'bot is subject to the same general editing problems (such as server timeouts and server error messages) as everyone else is, and doesn't retry edits if they fail. Uncle G 00:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yellowikis

Article Yellowikis is up for deletion (again). I noticed the article used to state An automated software robot called "Uncle G's bot" transwikis companies -- are you involved in Yellowikis? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 22:04Z

• That text used to link to User talk:Uncle G's 'bot, too. (It shouldn't have, of course, and the linkage was rightly removed.) Uncle G 04:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I am really not impressed with the way that you chose to communicate on this AfD. If you'd have been clear and concise from the beginning, you could have saved us both a fair amount of time. I was wrong about the amount of resources that this consumes. I don't know if I touched some kind of nerve, but what was stopping you from just explaining how I was wrong as opposed to playing games? You could have simply said, "as this bot runs on my machine, it only takes the same tiny amount of resources that a normal editor does, and it has made only 2000 edits overall anyway." Then I could have said, "Oh, ok. My mistake. Sorry about that." Instead you chose to be cryptic and smarmy, and draw this out interminably. Anytime you have to use the word "hint" you're probably more concerned about scoring points than actually communicating. - brenneman^(t)(c) 15:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I wasn't playing games, I was being gentle. I hinted because you're an editor of long standing and I thought that you thus knew how 'bots worked, and had simply forgotten and needed only a small nudge to remember. I also thought that you'd read the article being discussed and therefore knew that it was my 'bot, and thus would put 2 and 2 together when it was me doing the asking. Ironically, storming in and saying something like "Brenneman, you're entirely wrong and don't know the first thing about what you're saying. I do the grunt work; it's my 'bot; and I pay for the machines that it runs on and the Internet bandwidth that it uses, thank you very much.", which is the sort of response that you appear to have actually wanted, is not gentle. Uncle G 23:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Oy vey. You won't underestimate my WP:DENSEity again, will you? No tone of voice in text, and a large part of my suprise and dismay was that it seemed so out of character for you. I was actually thinking of edits themselves, disk space etc. I didn't express that well, and once I checked it's a low-use bot, and it was a tiny aside anyway! Thank you for your graceful reply, sorry to have diverted your resources to straightening me out. ;)
        brenneman^(t)(c) 02:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
        • No tone of voice in text — No. And some people's web browsers don't display the smiley faces (Vide: ☺). Uncle G 04:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

ALL WE ARE SAYING ... IS GIVE TAINT A CHANCE

Hey Uncle I found this on the web.

http://www.blowupthemoon.com/samples/showphoto.php?photo=34&password=&sort=1&cat=998&page=1

I was thinking we could possibly add it to the taint article if you think it might be appropriate. It has David Cross on vocals and we could add a link to it at the bottom of the page. I still believe that if we work together we might be able to get a taint we both enjoy. Pickelbarrel 04:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Taint -n- Roses

Hey Uncle G I want to appologize for this pamento character that comes traipsin in here and actin like AN ENOURMOUS JERK!!!! That is not how People should act. Anyway I added the link to taint mansion as it seems that you were to busy at the moment to respond else you didnt think it important enough(I keep hoping that this is not the case, I try to believe the best in people, but am sometimes dissappointed) anyway I hope you enjoy it. Whoever would have thought that a simple discussion over a seemingly insignifigant article would have me keeping in touch with you for so long. The internet is a weird weird place. I guess that even though we were on opposing sides of the taint article I respected the passion for which you fought for your beliefs. We are kindred spirits you and I, who are only seperated my our love our dislike of the word taint. I am desperately trig to close that gap. Please dont shut me out uncle, we are both strong personalities and I think there is so much we can accomplish togetherPickelbarrel 19:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

M96 motorway AFD

I took a look through the Walton Summit motorway AFD, as you suggested - in fact, I remember being aware of it at the time (but indifferent to its resolution). Both do use Pathetic Motorways as a source. I'm not disputing Pathetic Motorways as a decent source - I like the website actually, and plan to contribute to it at some point - it's just it included these motorways and an objective encyclopedia probably shouldn't.

There are many differences, too. Unlike Walton Summit, the M96 really isn't a motorway in a any sense - not on the defintion that all real motorway articles use. The DfT don't run it, it carries zero traffic, it's not connected to the road network, it's not open to the public, it's only got a number for completeness. Walton Summit is the other way round; it's a real motorway without a number.

The main reason I don't think the article is useful in its present form is that people see it and think it's a real motorway. It's on List of motorways in the United Kingdom and in Category:Motorways in the United Kingdom. It doesn't belong in either of those. Seeing that the Fire Service College article is now up and running, that's where it belongs, IMHO. Erath 19:19, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Question

Is it okay to use letter written from the trenches as a source when writing a wikipedia article. For example I assume that you could use published letters to verify an oppinion of soldiers during a war, but could you use it as a verifiable source for facts? Like when published civil war letters state that they are employeeing snipers at a certain battle, would said letter be enough to site it as a fact, or do you need further proof. Also If the letters ARE NOT published can you use them to show oppinions of soldiers during war. For example if I have possesion of several letters from the civil war stating that soldiers from the war stated that they dont believe the "fredom of a few nigers" is worth the war, can I thereby state that not all soldiers of the north even agreed with the abolishment of slavery. Any info or direction you can point me to might help.

• If the letters are not published, then the answer is simple: Readers cannot read unpublished letters to verify article content. For the case where the letters are published, you are better off putting this question to a wider audience at the Wikipedia:Village Pump. Uncle G 17:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
  • thanks for the helpPickelbarrel 09:42, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

!

I don't know where you are from but in the U.S.A. when we have a problem with someone we come to that person our selves. We don't send some lap dog cronie to do our dirty work for us. So you and 'Dickelbarrel can both just shut up!--Pamento 01:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• I have no idea what you are talking about. Uncle G 03:13, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
• I've just read your talk page. Now I have. Uncle G 03:15, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Hey pamento maybe you didnt realize, but Uncle G is an administrator so if you want to have fun on wikipedia you should TRY to show just a little bit of respect, and not act as if you were the worlds biggest jerk. It just makes you look foolish, and nobody in here thinks your clever for doing it...esspecially me or Uncle. We try to stay away from people who are jerks. If you want to act like an adult your welcome to respond, otherwise Im sure uncle would appreciate it if you moved to a different page!!!Pickelbarrel 09:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Two things. First: The only thing special about administrators is that we have earned the trust of the community to wield some of the more powerful editing tools on the community's behalf. Otherwise, we are editors just like everyone else. We are more "trusties" than "administrators". Second: Everyone here should be treated in a civil manner. Administrators are not special in that regard, either. ☺ Uncle G 09:48, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

template:wiktionary

What is the deal? I made a change which allows us to eliminate the need for a couple templates. The wiki syntax now allows parameter defaults. I tested the changes, and they worked. -- Netoholic @ 08:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• Template:Wiktionary is the template that should be eliminated. See Template talk:Wiktionary, where this has been discussed before. Uncle G 08:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • "Wiktionary" is the more natural name, and it's been here longer. It now uses three "modes" that each work very well for their purpose. If the plain {{wiktionary}} call doesn't suit your needs, add a second or third parameter and it works better than the present wiktionarypar. The talk on that page was about the wiktionarypar# templates, not this subject. -- Netoholic @ 08:31, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
    • The talk on that page was about the wiktionarypar# templates, not this subject. — This subject is {{wiktionarypar}}. You came here because I reverted your redirection of Template:Wiktionarypar. You've just redirected it again. Please do not go back to your old habit of revert warring in the template namespace. Uncle G 08:40, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
      • LOL. You reverted, without any explanation. You couldn't have contacted me like I did you? I made contact, and then made a single revert. It's only a revert "war" if you revert more than once, and you're the only on warring here. Any discussion on that talk page is outdated because the functions of Wiktionary are totally different than they were back in what, July of last year. In fact, your talk of eliminating that template was even before I changed it to use the Search function. Wiktionary is the original, has a lot of info on the talk, and a more natural name for the function. It should stay, replacing wiktionarypar. -- Netoholic @ 08:50, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
        • It's disingenous to claim no knowledge of the reasons. I've already pointed you to the talk page where this matter was discussed at length (you were there) months ago, right at the top of this discussion. the functions of Wiktionary are totally different — You've put bells and whistles on a useless template, and the discussion of eliminating the template included your addition of the Search function (which made the template worse, not better) as can be clearly seen by reading the discussion. We have a plan. It's slowly being implemented. You are fiddling with a template that simply isn't needed. Which template is the original or the older is irrelevant. Uncle G 09:03, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
          • Wiktionarypar was split from wiktionary only due to technical limitations that no longer exist. A redirect would have been harmless requiring no additional work on anyone's part. If you are going to force the issue, there is never a reason to have duplication in the template space, and keeping the original over the fork has lots of precedent on TFD. Why you're fighting over such a silly thing is beyond me. -- Netoholic @ 09:11, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
            • The redirect was the wrong way around. If you want to redirect things, work with the consensus of other editors and redirect Template:Wiktionary, the template that consensus is to stop using. Its disingenuous to state that this is me fighting over a silly thing, by the way. I've been happily implementing the consensus for six months, without anyone fighting, slowly changing everything over in the way that several editors independently thought was best, and suddenly you redirect the template twice and then nominate it for deletion when you didn't get your way, all within a few hours. Uncle G 09:24, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
              • Uh-oh, you called out the dreaded c- word (consensus). I don't agree that there was consensus in July, except as to wiktionarypar2/3, and there certainly is none right now, since this change only went into effect today. In my experience, if there ever is consensus, there is never a reason to say there is consensus... it just... is. I'm done with this thread. -- Netoholic @ 09:27, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
                • I did, because there was (and, as I suspect the TFD discussion will amply demonstrate, still is). You are a sole dissenter. The only change to Template:Wiktionarypar that "went into effect" today was your redirection of it. Uncle G 09:36, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Mass-movery

Hi, yes this would be a one-time mass move, as it reflects a change in convention that a number of active parties in the topic area have agreed to. All we need now is the means to do it, and I don't currently have the time to devote to building a custom bot from the ground up.

In a nutshell, we want to move all "Area code XXX" arts to "Area code 1-XXX", retaining redirects. Can you help? -Keith D. Tyler ¶ 18:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• Yes. But you need to agree that that is what you want to do. There seems to be disagreement. Uncle G 19:17, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Put your dog on a leash

uncle G you need to put your dog dickelbarrel on a leash. I am new to Wikipedia so I dont know what an administrators powers are but so far I am not impressed. So tell your life partner to stay the hell off my page as I am sick of his behavior. I really don't know much about you so I'll tell you somthing about me; Where I am from (the U.S.A.) we do our own fighting and don't hide behide some smart-ass. So for the last time leave me the hell alone.--Pamento 19:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• well if you weren't so busy acting like you want to becomeTHE BIGGEST JERK EVER maybe you WOULD be impressed with everything that UncleG does. For your information UncleG has never asked me to do his fighting for him, and I only CHOOSE to ask you shut off your comments out of the mutual admiration we have for each other. before you go get carried away, I am honor bound to warn you that I am a student of Joyce Gracie ju jitsu so dont feel like your threatening me. Perhaps you should go out and get a girlfriend, so you wont feel you need to come into someone else talk page and pretend to be Mr. Cool. My girlfriend is a stripper and perhaps she could introduce you to some of her friends if you arent too concerned with becoming THE BIGGEST JERK IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD!!! Otherwise you can go run along and play somewhere else little boy. UncleG and I have more important things to talk aboutPickelbarrel 20:28, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
  • First of all it's Royce Gracie. And it seems to me you need to be a student of the spellcheck JACKASS. As far as your "girlfriend" being a stripper I'm glad Uncle G has a job but I really don't care. And I can tell you right now I am not interested in meeting any of your friends so leave me the hell alone.--Pamento 20:39, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Please stop this now, the both of you. Uncle G 20:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Problem Solved

I'm pretty sure we wont have to worry about pamento coming in here and causing a commotion anymore. I had thought about writing an article on panty waste and advising readers to see him, but I realized that you probably wouldnt want me to stoop to his level of the game, so I took the high road instead. I politely let him know that his behavior is not appreciated, and that there are administrators that probably arent going to tolerate it. I let him know that I was willing to put this in the past if he just appologizes and keeps from vandalizing your page in the future. I think that if we just give him a chance redeam himself, he'll probably realize that his behaviour was making him look like The King Of Jerkiness and decide its better to just say hes sorry. If he doesnt, well we will know that at least we tried to give him a chance. Anyways I appreciate your cool head in these matters...I really shouldn't allow people like that to get me so worked up, and was VERY impressed with your ability to keep a cool head. Have you ever studied ju jitsu? I think you have just the right mentality for it. thanks again Adminisrator UncleGPickelbarrel 08:43, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• • I am getting mighty sick of this slander. You have not scared me or chased me off. If you think you can send me packing maybe you don't know I am a real AMERICAN not some wishy-washy lieberal and these colors don't run! In case you forgot there was a guy named Sadam who sent his lap dog Ossama to bite the heels of America. I guess you know what happened to them. I have been in contact with a user named Dan and he has informed me that what you are doing is a blockable offence. He also told me he has a close personal friend who is an Administrator and he is going to have him look into this nonsense. So I am going to say it one more time, you and Dickelbarrel LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE! --Pamento 23:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Chav

Nice! chocolateboy 17:31, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I've just noticed that, while wonderful, those references are very noisy in the wikitext. Wouldn't they be easier to maintain and edit if they adopted the {{ref|foo}} and {{note|foo}} style á la Pikey? Also, I tried to add another reference to the BBC News article "Media student 'expert on chavs'", and was surprised to see that a whole new reference was added. I guess there's a way to avoid that, but the aforementioned reference style does the right thing automatically.

chocolateboy 18:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• One way to avoid it is to simply use <ref>''ibid''</ref> or some such construction. This is the first time that I've used <ref>. The previous time that I added references to the article I used the style that you mentioned. ☺ Uncle G 18:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

That works for the example you've added, but doesn't appear to work for the "social mobility" case, where the reference is not to the same (i.e. previous) source. I'm too lazy to perform any changes now, but would you object if, at some probably-not-gonna-happen time, I tried to remix those references in the abovementioned style? I love the fact that you've made it clear that the article is heavily referenced, but I'm not a huge fan of line noise in the wikitext.

chocolateboy 19:15, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

• I've just read the documentation for <ref> on Meta (m:Cite/Cite.php). It turns out that the creators realized that situations such as these would arise and built a solution in to the mechanism. Uncle G 19:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I hope that style doesn't stick, for the reason I mentioned. I know that there are lots of different ref styles and that it's an issue that is in flux. But for now, let's agree to agree :-)

chocolateboy 19:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

question about becoming an administrator.

Administrator UncleG I was curious to know how you became an administrator. I have to admit I was pretty pleased with the way we convinced pamento to stop vandalizing your homepage, and I was thinking that I could probably do more good if I were to become an administrator. I would be willing to go through any formal training that might be needed. Not to toot my own horn, but I am an amazingly quick learner, and I think that this wikipedia stuff is coming pretty naturally to me(although I must admit that you have helped steer me in the right direction). Any additional help you can give me to help me earn my "badge" would be greatly appreciatedPickelbarrel 08:45, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• Administrators are simply editors that the community trusts to wield certain powerful tools (such as page protection and page deletion) upon its behalf. Edit articles well for a number of months, to demonstrate that you can be trusted and that you understand Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You may actually find that you have no interest in the sort of tasks that are entrusted to administrators. Uncle G 13:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Of coarse you are correct Administrator UncleG. I hope I wasnt impling that I was as knowledgable as you, It's just that I seem to have a gift for this sort of thing, and I think these powerful tools might help me police these pages even better. I have already spotted several pages where the article wasn't enough to warrrent a wikipedia entry, and I also helped to fight and keep the taint(slang) article. I completed an article on Smashed Gladys and then finally you and I rid wikipedia of that pest pamento. That is when I started to get a little bit of a taste for the kind of power that can go along with being an administrator, and truthfully ridding these sites of unwanted vandals is mostly what I hope to do as an administrator. May I ask you how long it took you before you recieved the title Administrator UncleG? Pickelbarrel 15:35, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
    • If G will forgive me for butting in, I believe on Wikipedia as in most other areas of the Internet, being an administrator is more about procedure than power. Whilst Admins have the ability to speedy delete articles and the like, it is very rarely done and the majority of cases still have to flow through afd. I would estimate it is a similar procedure with banning disruptive members of WP; you can do it but ultimately you still should follow the established procedures. Being an Admin on wikipedia is largely from what I've seen, about setting an example and helping people out with template useage, or article presentation, rather than bringing the law to the unlawful. And as I've seen lately, in such cases where a user is being disruptive, the presence of an Admin saying 'don't do that' often does little more than a user saying 'you shouldn't do that,' indeed, in some cases it merely adds oil to the blaze. From what I've seen, the best way to become an Admin is simply to contribute to Wikipedia in a positive fashion, and eventually someone will take note and say, "have you ever considered running for adminship?" It's perhaps not a fair reflection on you, but those that push for a position of power are sometimes seen as self-serving - I wouldn't consider Adminship until you've been around the block a few more times. - Hayter 17:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Suffixes

Hi UncleG. I notice you've been doing some removal of redlinks on the suffix page by linking them to Wiktionary articles, which seems sensible; however in parallel you are also changing some bluelinks to Wikipedia articles to point to their Wiktionary equivalent. If the Wikipedia article isn't too hot or is a deletion candidate, this seems sensible, but some of the Wikipedia articles are miles better than the Wiktionary ones, so this link-changing seems somewhat peculiar. Were you just having a confused moment, or is there some logical reasoning here? Thanks SP-KP 17:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

• If the Wiktionary articles are poor, improve them. In most cases the reverse is in fact the case. Compare Wikipedia's -ist (which is just a bare list of words) with Wiktionary's -ist, for example. (Improving the Wikipedia article is a waste of effort and needless duplication. There is no reason to write dictionary ariticles in Wikipedia.) Furthermore, most of the content in the Wikipedia articles belongs in a dictionary. See numerical prefix (to which all of the numerical prefixes redirect, notice) for what we should be aiming for, and how to use the encyclopaedia and the dictionary in tandem. Uncle G 17:42, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Gibraltarian

Please install that template. It will prevent longer blocks, we have one other user who uses that provider. Fred Bauder 18:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

You may fire when ready, G. ➥the Epopt 18:16, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Trouble in Paradise

Perhaps we got ahead of ourselves in celebrating the Great American Jerko's departure. Looks like our buddy pamento has decided to come back, with his Hate Speech as seen on your webpage here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Uncle_G#Problem_Solved . I went to his buddy Dans home page and found out that Dan was only fifteen years old. I think that pamento may just be a sock-puppet of dans(his attitude seems to be that of a fifteen year old). Anyway I warned him that you and I had the situation under control, and not to get involved in matters that are not of his concern. I also informed him of YOUR administrative powers so that he knows we arent frightened by his claims of "knowing an administrator". Now the problem seems to be what to do about Pamento. I have given him another warning and told him that I kept statement he made on my homepage calling me "DICKelbarrel", and telling me to "eat shit" as seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pickelbarrel#No_sources.2F_pamento_behaving_rudely so if you think its appropriate Im sure we could have him suspended from wiki forever for using that kind of language and uncivility (Personally I think this may be our best option as he seems to show NO remorse for his actions), but another friend of mine(Wangi) suggested that we try to just ignore him and see if he doesnt leave on his own. I am willing to go along with either of those, or if you have a better idea I am willing to go along with you on whatever it is. Just let me know what you think is bestPickelbarrel 02:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• It doesn't really help matters to be calling other editors names like that. Please don't. As I said before, everybody here should be treated in a civil manner. Uncle G 05:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

great news

I recieved a message from cenestrad, and he advised that I go after dan head on, so I went to his site and as per your advice refrained from using any namecalling but told him that you and I were more or less on to his "sock puppetry" so Ill bet that we wont be hearing anymore "threats" about him getting another Administrator. I think that we have finally rid ourselves of this bother Administrator UncleG, and while I cant say that things went exactly acording to plan...I CAN chalk it up as a good learning experience that should help me in my quest to become an administrator like yourself (If I havent lost intrest after this ordeal, I think it's safe to assume that Im not gonna) Any way thanks again for your help Administrator [[Uncleg}} Im sorry about the sloppy spelling, but its awful late here, but I wanted to wait up to let you keep you informedPickelbarrel 09:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Suffixes again

Thanks for the reply above. I understand your reasoning, and where the Wikipedia page is of lower quality than the Wiktionary one, agree with you. However, I feel this is not the case for all of your changes. Have you looked at every Wikipedia article which you are replacing with a Wiktionary one? If not, I think it would be a good idea to do so, and hopefully you'll see why I'm bringing this to your attention. I see that there is a little bit of hostility from other editors over what you're doing, and I think you'd avoid this if you made this change with a little more care. All the best SP-KP 11:12, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi

You might be interested to hear that I've informed another admin, Sam Korn of the behaviour of Pickelbarrel. In my opinion his behaviour has been wholly unnacceptable, and I am disgusted that he appears to think that you support him in his actions. Could you not set him straight? He has been acting in a manner wholly unbefitting this encyclopaedia, harassing people like Pamento in an attempt to get his own way (whatever that is? he never quite explains), and also rather using your name in vain, stating that you will back him the whole way and naming (and linking you incorrectly) in every sentence. Dan 21:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC) P.S. Although I have just noticed that User: Pamento has rather risen to his bait in making attacks on your talk page... I think he could claim extenuating circumstances though. Dan 21:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

• I have already asked both of them to stop this, earlier on this very page. Uncle G 13:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • furthermore if you look at the history you will motice that I had COMPLETELY stopped the entire ordeal, as per Administrator UncleG's request...that is until you contacted pamento and convinced him to continue harrassing usPickelbarrel 17:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

what to do?

While I have heeded your advice(completely abstaining from anything remotely resembling namecalling), he/they doesnt/don't seem to show any signs of quitting. I keep telling them to quit and yet they continue. We could add their usenames to Wp.AIV. if yo think that would be appropriate Administrator UncleG , or there is still the "just ignore him/them tactic' that Wangi suggested, or if you want you could offer up my name to become an administrator and I could block these vandals myself. I realize that I havent really been around long enough to become an administrator by traditional standards, but perhaps I could be an adminstative policeman of sorts, where I only use my tools to rid wikipedia of vandals. Also my freind centestrad had said that he was appointed the emporer of wikipedia, and suggested that could have whatever powers I needed to handle vandals, but he recomended just ignoring them. Im really not sure exactly what this is referring to, as I cant find any direct refernce to it in Wikipedia. If you think its still too early for me to become an administrator(and I admit that I am still not familiar with alot of the terms, and havent really done enough editting as of yet), could you explain what it is he is referring to, as his definition seems somewhat convoluted anyway thanks for all the advice so far, I have become a much better editor because of you. Pickelbarrel 04:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC) PS here is the link to my panty waste deletion page(where they called it 'nonscence') http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&user=&page=:Panty_waste

thanks againPickelbarrel 12:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

• Read the article that Cenestrad linked to. Xe wasn't being serious. The word that you are looking for is pantywaist, by the way. Note that it is in the dictionary, not in the encyclopaedia. Please add your dictionary articles to the dictionary. Uncle G 13:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • thanks again (I went to google the term, and found info on the term as panty waste) I feel that I was able to write an article that is more than a definition, by including references to pop culture. I mentioned that the term was used in the movie MVP most vauable primate, and then labled the entry as a stub. My article was almost identical in length and information to the Zagnut article(although mine contained a link to smegma). I am asking the editor who deleted it (siting nonsence although everything I wrote was factual) to reconsider. My thought are that he probably had never heard of the term, and so choose to delete that which he had no reference to. Perhaps you can chime in with your oppinion. Thanks againPickelbarrel 14:34, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
    • That an article is "more than a definition" doesn't make it an encyclopaedia article. Non-stub dictionary articles are "more than a definition", too. Non-stub dictionary articles contain pronunciations, etymologies (with references), synonyms, antonyms, homophones, alternative spellings, translations, derived and related terms, and (yes!) illustrative quotations where the word has been used in well-known works. My opinion is that a dictionary article, mis-placed here in the encyclopaedia, that has been deleted should stay deleted. Uncle G 11:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Well my article contained a a bit about panty waste being used in the film MVP Most Valuable Primate, and follows the format of Zagnut almost identically(giving the definition of the term, and then showing a refernce to the term in film) however, if you still feel it should be deleted I think it only fair to allow you to chime in at its article for deletion page, where it currently is placed(its deletion was reversed by the first editor, and then redeleted by another, at which point I asked him to put it up for debate so I wouldn,t have to continue making my argument with every other editor. I hope you consider keeping this though, as Dan and Pamento are supposed to help me with it, and that might help to end this feud that has been going on. In any case it appears that we have another "taint-like" discussion on our hands.Pickelbarrel 15:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
        • Zagnut is a (stub) encyclopaedia article about a type of candy bar, not a dictionary article about a term. It does not "show a reference to the term in a film". It shows where a zagnut bar can be seen in a film. Uncle G 15:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
          • so Are you saying that I should instead add the film reference to the wiktinary article? I didnt really think that it belonged there, but you are the administrator, so I will do as you say. I would like to point out though, that you incorrectly stated that I argued that the term was valid becuase it was referenced in a movie, and I would ask that you henseforth refrain from stating arguments that I did not make. What I stated was that I used the Zagnut formula almost identically, where the zagnut showed where a zagnut was used in film I did the same, the difference, of course, is that I didnt show actual panty waste, as I thought that would be inappropriate, but trather the term being used. If You think I would be better served to tell where panty waste stains can be seen in film, Im sure I could comply, but I cant imagine anyone wants that17:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
            • You made that argument above, twice. ("I feel that I was able to write an article that is more than a definition, by including references to pop culture." "my article contained a a bit about 'panty waste' being used in the film") Uncle G 17:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
              • I think you misunderstood what I was saying in the previous comment. It hhad notheing to do with the validity of my original argument(In fact I had stated that if you thought the film peice should stay in the wiktionary I would comply) but rather with you stating that I made arguments that I never made, I respectfully ask that you quit doing this. Again if you feel I should either link the film reference to the wikitionary article, or link a film refernce SHOWING actual panty waste to the wikipedia article I will comply with your wishes as you are an administrator. I just hope you respect my wishes of not being "made to look a fool" by you incorrectly stating arguments that I never made IE that panty waste should staybecuase it is referenced in a film...I was only demonstrating that I used the same formula that was used in the Zagnut article...there is a differencePickelbarrel 19:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
                • If you want formulae to use, look at Wikipedia:Featured articles and Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles. Uncle G 11:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

sysop

I'm going to try for wp:rfa, maybe. Do you reckon this is too early for me? --Dangherous 00:52, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Virgo Stellar Stream

Apologies for the confusion on the talk page: I keep getting silent edit conflicts. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:30, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

• No worries. The same editor added the same link to the talk page of the Wikinews article, which wasn't derived from the AFC submission at all. Uncle G 13:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Sie and Hir

Why are you removing the singular they example when the table also has singular male, female and neutral? If the table is only for the recommended use of sie and hir then there shouldn't be any of the others. Garglebutt / (talk) 12:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

• I very clearly gave the reason in the edit summary, and in the summary before that, too. The table shows how sie and hir integrate with the sexed pronouns. It is inappropriate to add other sex-neutral pronouns, from other articles, to that table. They have their own articles, with their own tables. And Talk:Sie and hir is the appropriate place for this discussion. Uncle G 12:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry but your reasons were not clear to me. If I added my disagreement to the article talk page then I don't necessarily get your attention since you reverted my edit rather than adding your thoughts to the talk page. Singular they does not include a usage table while Spivak includes singular they for comparison but not neutral so it would appear there is no consensus in three related articles and I am inclined to take an inclusionist approach. Garglebutt / (talk) 12:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I have now also added my thoughts to the article talk page to get input from others. Garglebutt / (talk) 12:45, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
      • That's why the article's own talk page is best for these things. Who's going to see a discussion hidden away on my talk page? If I added my disagreement to the article talk page then I don't necessarily get your attention — If an article is on one's watchlist, its talk page is, too. Adding to the talk page does (or at least should) get the attention of people who have the article on their watchlists. Uncle G 12:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

did you miss me

Well it looks like you were right about the panty waste article...I never should of even triied to write that stupid article. But then I realized something, after emperor cenestrad instructed Dan, Pamento, and I to write an article together...they stopped harrasing YOU!!! Our argument had been going on for so long I had even forgot why it was I had started writing you. Now I should say that I was abit upset with you for awhile, but but then I remebered why it was I started writing you to begin with. Do you plan on adding to the taint (slang) article? I have some pretty good ideas that could help you get started. See I was told a long time ago to try and involve people who didnt get their wish with your side ot the argument, so they can grow to appreciate your side as much as you do, and to keep there from being any residule hostility from your original argument. I think that by adding to the article it would show a sign of appreciation for what the article has become. wangi has added to it, and I think he feels better about it because of this. Anyway I hope you will help out thanks Pickelbarrel 22:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

• This is far from the first time that people have disagreed with me at AFD. Nor is it the first time that the final decision has not been what I had been arguing for during the discussion. I don't have any hostility toward people as a result. ☺ Uncle G 16:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • does that mean you WILL help wrk on the taint (slang) article? :) Pickelbarrel 17:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Deathphoenix's Law

Hey Uncle G, for some reason, I decided to actually put finger to keyboard and create Deathphoenix's Law for fun, pretty much as you wrote it. :-) --Deathphoenix 04:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• Chuckle. Uncle G 16:54, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Is it okay for some to dedicate his home page to the fact that YOU ARE AN ASS-HOLE?

Im triing to be able to take a joke, but an entire page? It seems a bit much.Pickelbarrel 16:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• Whose user page are you talking about? Uncle G 16:33, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
  • pamento's...by the way have you given any thought to my previous message?16:39, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I see only two sentences on User:Pamento, neither of which mention you at all. Is that the page that you are talking about? Uncle G 16:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
      • it's on his disscussion pagePickelbarrel 16:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
        • Ah. User talk:Pamento. Yes, I see. That's certainly stretching the bounds of civility. Uncle G 16:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
          • The behaivor of this charcter is really quite ruthless. I told Pamento, Dan & Pickelbarrel to work on an article together so they could overcome any lingering feelings of hostlity and was completly ignored by both Pamento and Dan (unless you count Pamento vandalizng the Panty Waste article. At this point Pamento should be blocked and I think you are the man to do it. This I order for the common good. --Cenestrad The Emperor of Wikipedia 16:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry maam, Did I kick your dog?

I should have known that I couldn't say anything about Pickelbarrel without you butting in. Well I'll leave your lapdog be so that should make you happy. I have also changed my talk page so that should make you friggin' estatitc. Have a good life you "wonderful" person. --Pamento 23:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note (re: Weirdo magnet)

Thanks for the reminder on my talk page, I will exercise more care on the AfD pages. Per your advice I have changed my recommendation. --Hansnesse 19:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

question?????

I've noticed that pamento keeps changing his user page regardless of how many administrators give him warnings agains it. His newest article is dedicated to people who are NOT assholes(we both made the list), and I think he may have a legitimit case to say that technically he isn't saying anything uncivil about a fellow editor. This is also true about his home page referring to me as homosexual, as I do not find the fact that someone IS a homosexual to be offensive, regarless of the fact that he meant it in this way. This got me thinking...are there any rules in place to prevent an editor from writing things about another intended editor WITH REPEATED INTENTIONAL MALICE??? If not perhaps you could recomend creating such a rule, so we rid wikipedia of people whoose only intenion is to create chaos. Thank you Administrator UncleG for your time, I realize that you have had to work extra hard with me, and I appreciate itPickelbarrel 18:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Neurocam

Hi Uncle G. Regarding your message about policing the Neurocam article: I'm more than happy to keep a watch over it, but I'm spending less time on Wikipedia lately, due to an increased real-world workload. I'll do my best. Cnwb 22:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

George W. Bush's Sixth State of the Union Address

I made the same mistake -- twice -- but I began both articles today. Any additions to George W. Bush's Fifth State of the Union Address are very appreciated. Thanks. KI 02:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• So did the Wikinews editor whose hyperlink I followed to the wrong article in the first place. ☺ Uncle G 09:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Why would we not analyze the speech? Since when have we waited for newspapers to this before we do? That's like saying we shouldnt have an article on the speech until the news talks about it. KI 17:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
    • See our Wikipedia:No original research policy. We aren't here to create new analyses that other people haven't yet come up with outside of Wikipedia. And your simile is quite accurate. We are writing an encyclopaedia. We shouldn't cover current events until reports of them have been published. Our Wikipedia:Verifiability policy dictates that. I strongly encourage any editor who feels the urge to write about a current event that they have witnessed to go to Wikinews to write about it. That's the place for journalism and primary source material. See Wikipedia:How the Current events page works#Wikipedia_is_not_a_news_service for a detailed discussion of this. Uncle G 17:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
      • But I'm not reporting anything new. The facts are the speech itself. My analysis, very little of which can be seen as fitting into the "historical narrative" definition on WP:NOR, was primarily on the semantics of the speech. At least pointing out anaphora cant fall into original research...? Also, if you get the chance, you seem quite adept at using wikiformat for references, please fix the references on Chad-Sudan conflict with the diffs at User:KI/Temp. Thanks. KI 23:24, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
        • I've done the first 8, to start you off. You should be able to follow the pattern from those, and deal with duplication of the prior references. Uncle G 16:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

I hope I am now addressing the issue in a proper place and manner. Thank you for your link,and previous comments. As far as I can tell by your link "wikipedia is not a dicussion forum/What wikipedia is not", the link text states "please do not take discussion into articles". I thought this simply meant not to discuss in the article itself, while the area called "discussion" was an appropriate place for discussions related to the article. Since I still interpret this link that way, may I ask you to clarify what I have missed here? DanielDemaret 13:31, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not expresses our general mission to create an encyclopaedia, by describing some of the things that by general agreement an encyclopaedia is not. Everything outside of the main article namespace (and the portal namespace) is, simply put, infrastructure that is intended to support the writing of an encyclopaedia. As Wikipedia:Talk pages and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines explain, article talk pages are for discussing the writing of the related encyclopaedia article. They aren't intended to be general-purpose discussion fora for the subject itself. After all, there is no shortage of such fora outside of Wikipedia, from Usenet all of the way down to web logs. Uncle G 15:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

AFC

Actually my addition in the lead of AFC ([2]) wasn't misplaced. I created those articles yesterday (Jan 31) but forgot to add them to the list. BTW, thanks for those kind words on my talk page. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:02, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

• That wasn't what I was referring to. Look closely at what you added back. ☺ Uncle G 20:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
• Were you talking about that Susanna Siegel entry? I only added that back because I didn't notice I did. If you cut the section instead of fully reverting my addition as well, I'm sure we can avoid such a mix up in the future. :) - Mgm|^(talk) 12:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I only reverted your edit by accident. You didn't notice the Susanna Siegel text. I didn't notice the "recently created" text (when I did a diff spanning the edits made by the anonymous users). And at least I didn't use the the vandalism reversion tool to do so. That would have been worse. ☺ Uncle G 12:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for Your Comment

I noticed you left a note on my talk page about my use of the Speedy delete note on AfDs. I would like to thank you for your information and I can assure you I will be more careful in the future. Also, if you could possibly include a link to your talk page in your signature it would probably be useful to users who wish to respond to you. Thanks again! --Nick Catalano (Talk) 09:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

You are not gonna believe this shit

I actually got a warning for telling user:Pamento to take my name off his "people that arent an ass-hole" list. Apparently they didnt notice when pamento linked me to the panty waste site, or when he called me a homosexual(not insulting, but Im sure he meant for it to be), or when he suggested that You and I are gay lovers, or when he called me a cocksucker, but the moment I tell him to take my name of his list I'm the vandal. Weird huh. I told them that you had everything under control, so dont worry 'bout it, I just thought it ironicpickelbarrel 13:04, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• Actually, it is Rhobite who has things under control. I strongly recommend following the advice that Rhobite gave. Uncle G 13:31, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • you are correct as usual Administrator UncleG. When I said you had things under control, I meant that you were aware of the problem with Pamento and ha choosen to keep reminding him that he should remain civil. I agree with your idea about ignoring pamento and had made the same suggestion earlier after wangi had recomended it to me. I wasnt exactly clear on your thoughts on this until now, but I will make every effort to ignore by any means nessisary from this moment forward. Thanks for all your guidamce pickelbarrel 23:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Removing Gun (name) in "Gun"

You removed "Gun (name)" in gun with this comment:

13:56, 2 February 2006 Uncle G (Wikipedia is not a dictionary of names. That's Wiktionary's job.)

So now I wonder why there is a page Sven that is exactly the same: A general first name. 81.216.230.8 19:48, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

• That's a disambiguation article, not a page on a name. Uncle G 20:26, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Your bot

There is a proposed deletion of help articles added by your bot on Wikisource. s:Wikisource:Proposed deletions#Mirrored MetaWiki help pages Can you please comment there on why you set this up and whether you plan on fixing the articles as they have redlinks and non-existing templates since your bot imported them. Thank you.--Birgitte§β ʈ Talk 17:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Where were you?

I was expecting you to help me fight the abusive administrator who unfairly blocked with no regard to standard wikipedia guidlines. I couldnt beleive you didnt show up, but then I realized something. Why was I being blocked in the first place...for rewriting a garbage article, when the said article in No way resembled ANY other article I have written(with the exception of somewhat identical spelling), and more noteably because the administrator thought that I "Was a jerk" It certainly seems that somebody was looking for a reason to block me, and for an entire month!!!!!! But why would anyone choose to attack me? Then it occured to me...I'll bet that DS was jealous of all the attention you have given me. If you would have come to my aid it probably would have added fuel to the fire. I suppose you were confident in my ability to find a way to overturn the abusive block, but I have to tell you I felt a little abandoned out there. pickelbarrel 19:24, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Have you heard the news

Karmafist has been shut down. Bad news there, Im doing my best to get him reinstated, but havent had much luck so far. I may have to study under Jimbo exclusively in order to get the block lifted, and in case I do, I just wanted to thank you for all the time you have spent helping me out. I have learned alot from your wisdom. Wikipedia is NOT a dictionary and such. Ill take these lessons with me through out my life, and Im sure our path will cross again Administrator UncleG . Perhaps, with a bit of luck, at that time you will be referiing to me as Administrator Pickelbarrel. Until then fare well whereever you may fare pickelbarrel 23:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Belizean Kriol language

Hi, I see that on 12/jan you moved Talk:Belizean Kriol language to Talk:Belizean Kriol language/Temp. The article Belizean Kriol language is still there, though. Was that move intentional? All the best, Jorge Stolfi 21:00, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

• Yes. Moving the article and its talk page to a temporary location was part of restoring the page history. The talk page didn't get moved back when I moved Belizean Kriol language/Temp to Belizean Kriol language. I've just done that now. Uncle G 00:28, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Jorge Stolfi 01:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:AFC

AFC wasn't archived this morning. Please take that into account when labelling the archive tomorrow in the list. (I don't think you should do it later in the day). - Mgm|^(talk) 10:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• According to the 'bot's log, the servers failed to acknowledge the 'bot's login request. The archive is named automatically with the current date. I don't see any reason not to do the same as usual on the next run. The archive will simply have two days' worth of submissions. Uncle G 12:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

great morn to you Administrator UncleG

Just thought I would drop in and give shout out to my old Master. I have been learning soooo much from Jimbo, but I still remember back when you were instructing me on what to do, and no matter how important I become, I will never forget that. I have a question that you may be able to answer...Its a difficult one, and so far no one has been able to give an answer(including Jimbo). What is infinity minus infinity? I can tell you this it is not ZERO. I have another guess (one) and will explain why I think that, but I wanted to hear your answer first. anyway good luck on all your adventures...your humble ex pupil pickelbarrel 21:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Infinity#Undefined_operations Uncle G 00:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Transwiki?

Looking at Template:Move to Wiktionary I am wondering what ever happened to transwiki. Do those still go? --Connel MacKenzie 04:53, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Uncle G's Bot on Wikisource

Hello. Please note that the mirrored MetaWiki help pages have been nominated for deletion and probably will be deleted. If they are, please make sure that your bot does not recreate them.

Further, note that your bot regularly reverts Wikisource's sandbox to a version with a broken link. As the sandbox is naturally where new users experiment, it'd be much preferable to have a working link that points to Wikisource's help pages instead of Wikipedia's. When possible, please instruct the bot to revert to edit 96635 instead. If you wish to respond, feel free to do so here or on my talk pages. Thanks for your bot's services to Wikisource, and for any time this may require on your part. // s:Pathoschild and Pathoschild (_admin / ^talk) 04:10, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

AFC bot appears to not be updating

Hi Uncle G. I noticed that, as of this writing, the WP:AFC/T page hasn't been archived in 32 hours. I just wanted to let you know in case your bot wasn't running and you weren't aware of it. Thanks! -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 08:41, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps You didnt realise

That I am now accepting barnstars as well...I gave you a very pretty one at the top of your page, and I was hoping that somebody might give me one as well. I think the odd ball barnstar would be great in honor of the Panty Waste article that I have redone...or an anti vandal award would look nice as well considering how hard I worked to keep that pest Pamento off your discussion page. What do you think? Just curious 205.188.116.130 15:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Government of Chad

I'm having trouble with the formatting on this... I tried to copy and pase the cabinet wikicode from George W. Bush, but it didn't work. Thanks again for providing an example on how to do references for Chadian-Sudanese conflict. KI 18:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Simon P and the Biblical verses

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/KJV

Hello,

You may remember some while ago that you took part in a few AFDs about Bible verse articles. You were one of the main figures in some of those debates, particularly due to your suggestions for merges. A very closely related arbitration case has just been opened at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/KJV and you may have some evidence to contribute at the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/KJV/Evidence. You might not as well, but there are a large number of articles involved here, and so bits of evidence are more than welcome since it is difficult to check the edit history of so many pages.

---Ril-00:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikisource

I remember you mentioned you have an account on wikisource. If you get a chance, please add the "The National Security Strategy of the United States of America" from here. Thanks. KI 20:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Man you should have seen it

I was out today giveing people warnings for blatantly using terms of endearment. Some people complained about it not bing a policy, but I already knew that wikipedia doesnt have any actual rules, only guidlines. Had I been an administrator I would have probably blocked some of these yahoos into next week. Anyway another administrator told me to basically not worry about it, so I quit, but I was thinking that even though I havent been here for three months, or made three thousand edits, I think that Im just about ready for some kind job here at wikipedia...like a policeman of sorts if there are any positions like that. Any ideas? pickelbarrel 04:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Blumpkin

The article "Blumpkin" has been listed on Articles for Deletion on the grounds that is a neologism already found in Wiktionary. You are being notified as a contributor to "Blumpkin." BrianGCrawfordMA 20:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

WP:CP

Hi, I think I screwed up WP:CP in some fashion so that your bot isn't doing what it's supposed to do. I added 2/18 manually. What did I do wrong, though? Thanks. Chick Bowen 21:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Userfication

I'm pitching a set of guidelines for userfication - since you've advocated that route in AfD a few times, I'd value your input. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators

Hello Uncle G, I wonder if you could help me reverse a mistake I made. While attempting to edit the Senators 'current roster', I accidently wiped it out (leaving only Ray Emery), would you restore it for me? I don't know how. Thank you GoodDay 16:40, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Astronomical data

Hello Uncle G! Regarding your comment at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Wikisource wants to delete all source and data and the change on the policy page about not copying astronomical data to Wikisource: does this mean that these tables should stay in Wikipedia? or moved someplace else? does it mean just ephemerides? If you have a few spare minutes please take a look at the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Astronomical catalogue to see if or how this might apply. Thanks! Ewlyahoocom 05:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Please help merge articles

In relation to the following arbitration case, which is nearing completion:

• SimonP and the King James Version

And in relation to the following completed centralised discussions:

• 200 verses of Matthew
• Verses of John 20
• Whole bible chapter text

Some assistance is requested, once the arbitration case is closed, in merging together the following articles

• Matthew 1, Matthew 1:1, Matthew 1:2, Matthew 1:3, Matthew 1:4, Matthew 1:5, Matthew 1:6, Matthew 1:7, Matthew 1:8, Matthew 1:9, Matthew 1:10, Matthew 1:11, Matthew 1:12, Matthew 1:13, Matthew 1:14, Matthew 1:15, Matthew 1:16, Matthew 1:17, Matthew 1:18, Matthew 1:19, Matthew 1:20, Matthew 1:21, Matthew 1:22, Matthew 1:23, Matthew 1:24, Matthew 1:25
• Matthew 2, Matthew 2:1, Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:3, Matthew 2:4, Matthew 2:5, Matthew 2:6, Matthew 2:7, Matthew 2:8, Matthew 2:9, Matthew 2:10, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 2:12, Matthew 2:13, Matthew 2:14, Matthew 2:15, Matthew 2:16, Matthew 2:17, Matthew 2:18, Matthew 2:19, Matthew 2:20, Matthew 2:21, Matthew 2:22, Matthew 2:23,
• Matthew 3, Matthew 3:1, Matthew 3:2, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 3:4, Matthew 3:5, Matthew 3:6, Matthew 3:7, Matthew 3:8, Matthew 3:9, Matthew 3:10, Matthew 3:11, Matthew 3:12, Matthew 3:13, Matthew 3:14, Matthew 3:15, Matthew 3:16, Matthew 3:17
• Matthew 4, Matthew 4:1, Matthew 4:2, Matthew 4:3, Matthew 4:4, Matthew 4:5, Matthew 4:6, Matthew 4:7, Matthew 4:8, Matthew 4:9, Matthew 4:10, Matthew 4:11, Matthew 4:12, Matthew 4:13, Matthew 4:14, Matthew 4:15, Matthew 4:16, Matthew 4:17, Matthew 4:18, Matthew 4:19, Matthew 4:20, Matthew 4:21, Matthew 4:22, Matthew 4:23, Matthew 4:24, Matthew 4:25
• Matthew 5, Matthew 5:1, Matthew 5:2, Matthew 5:3, Matthew 5:4, Matthew 5:5 Matthew 5:6, Matthew 5:7, Matthew 5:8, Matthew 5:9, Matthew 5:10, Matthew 5:11, Matthew 5:12, Matthew 5:13, Matthew 5:14, Matthew 5:15, Matthew 5:16, Matthew 5:17, Matthew 5:18, Matthew 5:19, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 5:21, Matthew 5:22, Matthew 5:23-4, Matthew 5:25, Matthew 5:26, Matthew 5:27, Matthew 5:28, Matthew 5:29, Matthew 5:30, Matthew 5:31, Matthew 5:32, Matthew 5:33, Matthew 5:34, Matthew 5:35, Matthew 5:36, Matthew 5:37, Matthew 5:38, Matthew 5:39, Matthew 5:40, Matthew 5:42, Matthew 5:43, Matthew 5:44, Matthew 5:45, Matthew 5:46, Matthew 5:47, Matthew 5:48
• Matthew 6, Matthew 6:1, Matthew 6:2, Matthew 6:3, Matthew 6:4, Matthew 6:5, Matthew 6:6, Matthew 6:7, Matthew 6:8, Matthew 6:9, Matthew 6:10, Matthew 6:11, Matthew 6:12, Matthew 6:13, Matthew 6:14-5, Matthew 6:16, Matthew 6:17, Matthew 6:18, Matthew 6:19-20, Matthew 6:21, Matthew 6:22, Matthew 6:23, Matthew 6:24, Matthew 6:25, Matthew 6:26, Matthew 6:27, Matthew 6:28, Matthew 6:29, Matthew 6:30, Matthew 6:31, Matthew 6:32, Matthew 6:33, Matthew 6:34
• Matthew 7, Matthew 7:1, Matthew 7:2, Matthew 7:3, Matthew 7:4, Matthew 7:5, Matthew 7:6, Matthew 7:7, Matthew 7:8, Matthew 7:9, Matthew 7:10, Matthew 7:11, Matthew 7:12, Matthew 7:13, Matthew 7:14, Matthew 7:15
• John 20, John 20:1, John 20:2, John 20:3, John 20:4, John 20:5, John 20:6, John 20:7, John 20:8, John 20:9, John 20:10, John 20:11, John 20:12, John 20:13, John 20:14, John 20:15, John 20:16, John 20:17, John 20:18

And any other such articles that may currently exist

I have already prepared example merges of some of these articles

• Merge Example 1 is a merge of verse articles from Matthew 1:1 to Matthew 1:17 -> should be merged to Genealogy of Jesus
• Merge Example 2 is a merge of verse articles from Matthew 3:1 to Matthew 3:17 -> should be merged to Baptism of Jesus by John the Baptist (or similar title)

For titles check out List of New Testament stories (many are currently redlinks)

--Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal 20:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Move Bot

Can you give me source code of your move bot? I plan to move about 500 pages en another wiki, it could be very useful. Maksim-e 17:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Hurly-Burly and the B-bbbbbbarrell Kick

• Don't know that I've ever said 'Hi!', so Hi! <G> I've certainly enjoyed your wisdom from afar now and again in the hurly-burly.
• I kicked over the barrell boldly here in defence of guidelines, and will spam notify a few others in that debate as well.
• I wonder if you will consider dropping me an email detailing some tips on what methods you use to keep up and track all this hurly-burly, as I am daunted by discovering just how many policy proposals are on the listing category, and frankly, 'Frank' doesn't quite know how anyone gets enough WikiTime to both spend time tracking and commenting on such as well as creating things added to wikipedia, much less keeps up with all that! Shudder!

and Wow! Best regards,FrankB 17:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Also What Do you Advise on this?

What would you think about the wisdom of posting a discrete link to this notice at the very page top Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals, and how do you like the concept? Something in a box saying See this New Notice (Flashing lights and sirens wouldn't be enough as far as I can see!)

• What other actions might be in order- RFC, VP, Adds at head ends of CAT:CAT and key children cats 'top down'...? The utility and desirability seems self-evident. Can't figure out why it wasn't part of the system from day one.

Sigh! Back to content edits! Best! FrankB 20:57, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

• You can forget this request. I was missing info, which I've annoted there under 'Egg on Face'. <G> But please give no priority. Best regards, FrankB 04:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

On the Above again, More Egg

Oops: I apparently didn't save the edit to the Category page... Here's the current note just(belatedly-system access problems) posted:

I apparently never saved out on the edit I was recommending. It should have looked like This example or when polished for presentation and organization, the current: Category:History of Canada . Apparently too many open browser windows, or the like. Thanks and Apologies FrankB 02:10, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I hope you're not ill! but trusting providence, I'll say a prayer anyway as you seem clearly inactive. Perhaps I should wipe the above too? Or drop my business anyway... (Thinking positively here!)

If I can trouble you for a little feedback

You are cordially invited to pick on Frank:
(Beats handling problems!<G>)
re: Request some 'peer review' (Talkpage sections detailing concerns)] on new article: Arsenal of Democracy This post is being made Friday 14 April 2006 to a double handful (spam?) of admins & editors for some reactions, and advice (Peer Review) on this article, and it's remaining development, as I'd like to put it to bed ASAP. (Drop in's welcome too!) Your advice would be valuable and appreciated. Replies on talk link (above) indicated. Thanks! FrankB 19:46, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You are missed

I notice that you have not edited on any Wikimedia project for more than 2 months. This is sad. Your work, bots, and general pleasent and helpful temprement were of great value at the projects. If you have left due to personal issues, I hope they are successfully resolved; if you left out of frustration with Wikipedia, I hope it eventually dies down enough for you to return. In any case, I wish you the best of luck in your current efforts, whatever they may be, and hope to see you back at the 'pedia some fine day. JesseW, the juggling janitor 10:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

You're one of the community's most outstanding leaders, Uncle G. CanadianCaesar Et tu, Brute? 07:56, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Help talk:Special page formatting

I see you added a bot-updated section to Help talk:Special page, including a level-one (=) section header called "From Meta:Help talk:Special page". Was that a mistake to have it a level-one header? Because it kind of messes up the formatting of the page. It's not supposed to be an attribution for the "Meta:Help:Special page authors and history" section above it, is it? Does your bot depend on it being there as a level-one header? Because I'd like to either make it a level-two (==) header, make it a non-header, or just remove it completely, depending on its intended role on the page. - dcljr (talk) 17:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Disc vs. Disk

I just read (and edited) an entry by you (Volume_Boot_Record). I changed all the instances of "disc" to "disk". The "discs" kept jumping at me while reading, because the common convention is using Disc for round, bare, media like CDs, and Disk for things like hard drives and other storage devices w/ no physical discs at all (e.g., USB disks).

While reading around the topic (MBR, boot sectors, etc.) I found other "discs" by you. Are you changing it all to "disc" intentionally? If yes, why go against the norm? If no, can you use "disk" in future edits? :)

Ehudshapira 20:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• What you regard as "the norm" is in fact not the norm. Please learn that there is more than one variety of English in the world. A good start in doing so is reading our several articles in Category:Forms of English. Uncle G 11:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
  • How is that about dialect? Both forms are used with the same convention in the US, UK, etc. What variety of English are you referring to? And if in my region we use "deesc", would it be a good idea to use that? It's not about different spellings but about a technological naming convention.

    BTW, the very same Wikipedia page you referred to when reverting the changes (Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(spelling)) says exactly what I'm saying.

    Some Google comparisons: Searching everywhere; hard disc/hard disk = 3.8%. floppy disc/floppy disk = 7.3%. USB disc/USB disk = 2.5%. And on the other hand, compact disk/compact disc = 7.3%.

    Searching in technology-oriented sites, where presumably correct terms would be more common, you'd find that "hard disk" is much more common: theregister.co.uk (UK): hard disc/hard disk=0.4%. anandtech.com (US) hard disc/hard disk=0.5%. tomshardware.com (Germany) hard disc/hard disk=0.3%. And finally, Wikipedia itself, in all languages: hard disc/hard disk=0.5%.

    As you can see, this usage is well established. ehudshapira 00:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

    • You have mis-read the MoS. Please read it again, carefully. Please also read the pages that it links to right at the top. And the convention that you claim exists is not as solid as you believe it to be. Uncle G 14:31, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
      • From the MoS page linked above: "disc – disk: In Commonwealth English, the usual spelling is disc (meaning: thin flat circular object), but in computing disk is usually used, as in Hard disk, when referring to magnetic disks. In case of optical discs, such as "compact disc", the other spelling is used".

        If there are specific parts of the MoS you're referring to, please point me to them in more detail.

        If it's not as solid as I believe, would you be so kind to provide evidence to the contrary or refute the above stats (including Wikipedia-specific ones)?

        (Note: If my initial comment seemed a bit blunt, this was not the intention.) ehudshapira 21:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

        • The burden is upon you to prove that there is such a convention as you claim, not on anyone else. Google search statstics don't make it so. See Wikipedia:Google test. Moreover, I say once again: Please also read the pages that the aforementioned MoS page links to right at the top. Uncle G 23:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

It's nice to see your name scroll through recent changes again. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 06:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I was just coming here to say the same thing. We've seen a few good people leave recently, and so it was a pleasant surprise to see your name on my watchlist again. I hope you continue here for a while yet. :-) Dmcdevit·t 00:35, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

• zOMG! Glad to see you back again! :) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 17:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

An old AfD

You commented in the AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shopping encylopedia. I have started an AfD of a related article at wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shopperpedia. Your comments there would be appreciated. Graham talk 10:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Long talk page

Greetings! Your talk page is getting a bit long in the tooth - please consider archiving your talk page (or ask me and I'll archive it for you). Cheers! BD2412 T 00:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Your baby has grown up

You're back! I noticed your name on Recent changes and thought you might be interested in this: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (writing about fiction). Basically, it's your User:Uncle G/Describe this universe, expanded, extensively reviewed by numerous editors, and now an official Wikipedia guideline! — BrianSmithson 14:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• My goodness! Well, that saves me the task of finishing the original. ☺ Uncle G 15:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

My AFD error

Thank you for pointing out the mistake I made with the nomination (I have also replied on the articles AFD page). I revied the WP:WEB again and relised that I misunderstood the part about "is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria'. Having said that I'm sorry for the cofusion it cause which was not my intent. I will be more carefull in the future when considering AFD's and review the policy in which I'm trying to use so I don't make the mistake again. Thanks again Aeon 16:38, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Your formatting edits

I would appreciate if you don't change the formatting I have chosen for my entries in a discussion. When I chose not to have my entry indented, that was a deliberate decision. __meco 16:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• Deliberate or not, it was entirely unnecessary. The rest of us would appreciate it if you used the conventional formatting for AFD discussions. Uncle G 16:59, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
  • I will consider what you write. Also, I have updated myself on the link which you provided regarding formatting of AfD debates. __meco 17:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Chinky

See [3]. Thanks. - CrazyRussian talk/email 18:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#You_may_edit_the_article_during_the_discussion. Uncle G 18:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Holy shit! You may - but don't replace it with a completely different article!! - CrazyRussian talk/email 19:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
    • It is not a completely different article. I suggest that you take a less cursory look at the article's history, as I did (and as I have alread noted doing in the AFD discussion). Uncle G 19:20, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:MISS

Checking why your entry on Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians (edit talk links history) was missing... any plans to restart your help page copy bot? Doing it manually is boring. -- Omniplex 23:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foodpunt

I wanted to compliment you on your steadfastness and civility on this page, when other users have not been as well-behaved. Stifle (talk) 16:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kitty May Ellis‎;

Hi, You might like to look at this. Seems utterly unverifiable to me (leaving aside any questions of notability)) but it's heading for a keep. Dlyons493 Talk 06:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Let's exchange info

As a PhD chemist (1981) and a contributing ISO member on chemical analysis terminology, I ask that you re-read my original contribution and re-consider the mods you've made. Please contact me at [email protected] to pursue direct discussions. Best regards.

• We don't take people's say-so around here. Both your and my qualifications are irrelevant. Please also read Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary and Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Use_of_.27refers_to.27 to see why your original article was poor. Uncle G 11:04, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
  • An interesting quite blunt response, but such a response is not so conducive to getting experienced people to contribute their knowledge gratis. Could that be the reason why the quality of the info on many physics pages is poor? Even so, I do appreciate your efforts to help me tidy up this new page. User:bvcrist 10:30, 10 July 2006.
    • The argument that "experienced people" will "contribute their knowledge" only if everyone else takes them at their word and waives the requirements for verifiability, is a flawed one. Experienced people usually work in environments where much the same rigour about sources and not taking people solely at their word applies as it does here in Wikipedia, and respect Wikipedia's aspirations in this regard. Also see Wikipedia:Expert editors. Uncle G 18:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Alternative name

has been recreated after you moved it; can you speedy it and perhaps protect its recreation. Perhaps a warning to the author is in order as well, but I'm not an admin, so I only suggest. Carlossuarez46 22:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• The article is still a redlink, and Special:Log/delete indicates that the article has only been deleted the once. Perhaps you were confused by the fact that I also adjusted all of the links on the various talk pages so that they now point to Wikipedia:Alternative name, and thus remain blue? ☺ Uncle G 22:32, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Your edits to Microkernel

I've asked others to comment on your edits to Microkernel. I'd like to get some other opinions on whether your edits were justified. Thanks. --John Nagle 15:39, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

• Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research, and Wikipedia:Cite sources. Wikipedia is not a source. That you consider the requesting of cited sources, on an article that cited no sources, to be "vandalism" indicates that you do not understand the requirements of verifiability and cited sources here in Wikipedia. Uncle G 16:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ginsu

I can see where Roselli Knives is going then. Interesting. And depressing. KarenAnn 17:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• P.S. I'm never nominating anything for deletion again. You should look at how Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School is going! KarenAnn 17:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
  • School articles are always contentious, for the reason that Dpbsmith gives in that discussion: There is no consensus. Uncle G 18:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Pelado

I have provided the requested references. Ramos and Monsiváis are both well-known and well-respected both within Mexico and out, so I trust they can be considered reliable sources.--Rockero 04:11, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Notability being established by other encyclopedias

In relation to the comments you made here, I'm curious as to why the fact that the topic was covered in an encyclopedia with a narrower focus is as relevant as it appears to be from the way you've phrased it. My response is at the same location, but suffice it to say that I'd imagine that a Mormonism-specific encyclopedia would be able to cover all sorts of things that we wouldn't (or couldn't or shouldn't in some cases) cover. Of course, if there's a policy I'm missing somewhere, I'm all ears. BigHaz 09:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Hole in the doughnut effect

Hey, just dropped by to let you know that sources / referances have been added to the article, however i dont know what to do next. I added the name of the revision guide that revises this topic. (Neostinker 21:13, 23 July 2006 (UTC))

WikiTree

Are you going to be updating Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WikiTree to state that you have recently references, etc. to WikiTree? --Amit 02:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Because I am a WikiTree administrator, I'm being careful about that discussion. If you think that the references should be mentioned, please mention them yourself. Uncle G 10:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Wal-Mart codes

I closed it early due to the legal concerns which were mentioned. DS 12:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• Given that the article sourced information directly from where Wal-Mart was publishing it on its own web site, did you not think that the legal concerns about trade secrets were perhaps unfounded and in need of proper consideration and discussion? Uncle G 12:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Chuck Cunningham syndrome

Hi... based on your opinion on the Fonzie syndrome AfD, would you care to take a look at this one? These made-up TV-fan "syndromes" are getting out of hand. Thanks... wikipediatrix 20:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• I'm ahead of you. Uncle G 20:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
  • This link is golden, thank you for providing it. While I personally scorn the "appeal to authority," I shall file this away in my box of sharp things none the less. - brenneman ^{L} 01:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't need an appeal to authority, myself. I adopted a strong sourcing policy based upon my experience of Wikinews, which had a culture of strong sourcing right from the start. I've been encouraging it for a long time, long before Jimbo wrote that. Uncle G 01:37, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Hi. Well the Chuck Cunningham AfD succeeded. Unfortunately, the made-up TV "Syndromes" continue. Check out Talk:Cousin Oliver#Adult characters (along with the following talk section). Asa01 07:52, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Space Goat

The Space_Goat article has been marked as unreferenced. I'm just wondering what the requirement is for a reference, seeing the end of the article gives a URL as a source for the information.

• The notice links to Wikipedia:Citing sources. See also Wikipedia:Reliable sources. The external hyperlink links to a page where people can listen to a radio show, and isn't a source for anything. Uncle G 01:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • OK, cool(ish). The links you provided say that sources are added to prevent information being disputed. The JJJ page linked to lists mp3s including the mp3s of the Space Goat independent of the rest of the radio show. So the link is a source for the entire serial, seeing it contains the entire serial.
    • The notice also links to Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Verifiability, which explain at length why that is not the case. Uncle G 02:13, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
      • OK, last one from me then I'll leave it alone. According to Wikipedia:Verifiability a self-pupblished source can be used as long as it is not contentious or self-serving. Considering the radio show in question is on a non-commercial radio network the claim that it is self serving might be considered shaky. Also, The_Goons uses transcripts of the show as its references, albeit not hosted on the goons own site. If a transcript is valid, surely the original recording should count, especially when the content of the recording is guaranteed to be accurate since it's coming from the site of the authors of the material. I don't have a strong opinion on this, I just want to understand it properly. DaveAU 02:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
        • The Goon Show is poorly sourced, too, and is not a yardstick to measure by. Requiring that readers listen to an entire radio show and then form conclusions in order to verify the contents of an article means that an article violates the Wikipedia:No original research policy. An article free of original research must cite sources where those conclusions, syntheses, and analyses have already been formed/performed — i.e. where the work has already been done. Uncle G 02:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
          • OK. Should I delete this thread when everything's resolved, since it's probably not of interest to anyone else? And - this might be asking a bit much - could you give me an example of a radio show that is adequately referenced? I'm unclear on what would be adequate referencing for the content of a radio show besides it's content. Are you going to mark The Goon Show as unreferenced? Sorry about all of this fuss. DaveAU 02:42, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
            • Leave the thread. Read Wikipedia:Featured articles. Uncle G 02:48, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Just thought I'd give you a heads up about the mini mammoth - don't know why I didn't think of it before. There were about 20 different names proposed for the mini mammoth in less than an hour on this mornings radio show, so tomorrow, if the JJJ listening crowds are in a trouble causing mood and/or Jay and the Doctor tell them to, there may be a lot of new articles with names like Mimmith, etc... No original research for any of them, so they've all got to go - might be a lot of redirects, a lot of hassle. If it does look likes it's going that way I'll try to get you and/or other admins a list of the likely names if it'll help lighten the load. DaveAU 11:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• It will be better to add the list to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Hoax_material or (better still) to the AFD discussion rather than to my talk page. Uncle G 12:09, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Cites

Thanks for your comment on my talkpage regarding cites; I strongly commend your practice of encouraging this. Thanks again, and happy editing! --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 17:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kerr Avon

I just noticed your response to my comment on this AfD. Do you really not understand why saying "this nomination is misguided" might cause unnecessary offence? You are also wrong to state that somebody can't nominate an article for deletion and suggest a merge as an alternative - but your understanding of the possibiity of causing offence interests me more. TigerShark 21:36, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• Calling a nomination misguided is not offensive in the slightest, unnecessarily or otherwise. And if you think that nominating an article for deletion and wanting it merged are mutually compatible, then you don't understand deletion. The GFDL requirements that make merger and deletion mutually incompatible have been discussed often, and in many places. Please read the Guide to deletion and the other articles that discuss this. Uncle G 23:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Greatings & Salutations Great Administrator UncleG

I hate to bother you, but I was desturbed from my wikimeditation by a delusional character who told me to stop vandalizing these wikipedia pages, even though I have been silent for almost six months(I was triing to do a year of reflecting and then hopefully I would be ready to become an administrator). Anyway I could tell by his incoherant rambling and delusional talk about what he saw on some pornographic site, that he was probably high on the marijuana. I told him he needed to take a few days to sober up and get the drugs out of his body. It seems as it was my calling to help this poor soul through his marijuana dependecy battle, so I even statred giving him awards to congradulate him on staying away from the dope. Everything was going well until these vandals came (I assume they were probably some marijuana dealers) asnd taking away thes awards I was giving him. Now I realize you usually like for me to work out these problems onmy own, but considering we are dealing with someone who desperately wants to break the marijuana addiction, I was hoping you might give me some advice. Your loyal pupil pickelbarrel

honeybee dance language AFD

Good evening. There have been some new facts and evidence presented in the discussion since your last edit. When you have a minute, would you mind taking the time to revisit the discussion? Thanks. Rossami (talk) 22:19, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Social searching

Not the sort of thing I'd want to clean :). I think I understand what the topic of the article is about, but not 100% certain even of that. I came across it while google searching WP articles with multiple links to blogspot-dot-com. This one has a lot of them, and the moniker ("Plasticspam") makes me think there are likely some nefarious intentions behind it. SB_Johnny | ^talk 10:58, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Some thoughts on notability and wp:not

Regarding the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I Love Moesha, it seems to me that Wikipedia is on an inevitable course of ever lowering standards for notability, and that most of what Wikipedia is Not, it one day will be.

The reason for this: If there is one non-notable article of a certain type, we delete it. If there are ten, we delete them. If there are 100, some of them get nominated for deletion, many don't, and whoever is passionate enough about the subject to have created 100 articles tries to fight to save them. If there are 1000, everyone throws their hands up and says, "Oh dear, these all probably violate WP:NOT, but there are so many, what to do, what to do?". If there are 10,000, it is declared that this clearly must be a notable category of articles and eventually WP:NOT has to be changed. Once the number of any type of articles reaches a certain critical mass, we lose the will to remove them, and they become part of what Wikipedia is. High schools, shopping malls, area codes, various types of lists, for example.

As all one has to do to make a subject encylopedic and part of what Wikipedia Is is to outcreate those who try to delete it, eventually WP:NOT will be nearly empty. --Xyzzyplugh 22:09, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

• I don't see ever lowering standards, myself. And I think that there's an argument against such a pessimistic outlook: Given the sheer number of outright unencyclopaedic articles that are continually added, the argument that "If A has an article then so should B." can be seen to be utterly flawed by any editor with reasonable experience of New Pages Patrol. Uncle G 23:11, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I beleive that, at some point in the not-to-near future, sensibility will reign and we'll simply establish policy with regards to the areas that are mentioned above. The music guideline has done an excellent job with band vanity, the web guideline has all-but stopped the influx of webcomics and advertorials for obscure webpages. A broad-based approach to (for example) schools would almost certainly end in "merge them all" but for the religious fervour that some approach it with. Fifty lists of shopping malls were recently deleted, and I'm not familiar with any non-notable malls escaping deletion. In the end, reason will win out. - brenneman ^{L} 01:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Business logic

Would you care to weigh in on the deletion question? I really don't want to see this get deleted based on the "anything I haven't heard before is nonsense" argument. Gazpacho 19:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• I've heard of it before, I don't think it's nonsense, but I don't think the term is defined enough to pass WP:NEO. Still, I too would invite you to contribute to the AfD because while I am leaning delete, I have not definitively made up my mind. I'd appreciate hearing your view on the topic as the major contributor to the current version.--Isotope23 16:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Evil => Copy & Paste Moves

Hmm...I thought I made it correctly, but I may understand that you were offended. But it annoyed me that someone spelled it with a minuscule letter. By the way, the section "This article is about subspecies....", I removed it cause it was redunadant, the only pages linking there were from either the Warcraft or the Earthdawn page, it's NOT needed there. Shandris^{the azylean} 20:39, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

• You copied and pasted the text into a new article. If you want to rename an article, just hit that "move" button. That's what it is there for. As for the text, it was simply exactly what was there prior to the redirect (apart from the tags). Uncle G 08:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Editor review/Dalbury

If you have the time, I would appreciate any observations you may wish to provide at Wikipedia:Editor review/Dalbury. -- Donald Albury^(Talk) 14:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverting cleanup

Uncle G, if you're going to revert my cleanup, can you at least make sure you ONLY revert my cleanup. You revert[4] removed my comment.[5] Besides, my cleanup improved the readability of the AfD page. --HResearcher 15:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

• My error. One too many radio buttons down on the article history. Uncle G 14:51, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring template on Hakaisha-nin

They took it off in the middle of my nomination. Didn't know if I was hallucinating when the template disappeared (which has happened to me before) but then reappeared again so fast! Mattisse(talk) 16:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

West Loch Lomond Cycle Path

In view of your interest in OR, you may wish to consider an AfD for West Loch Lomond Cycle Path. The key content has obviously been researched whilst the author cycled along the path. BlueValour 21:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Wood-Bright Professor of Women's Studies

Thank you for your assistance in speedy-deleting the above page, which I agree was a hoax. Unfortunately though, since I am not an admin (yet), this means that I can no longer access the page history to collect the diffs for the research I am doing on the extent of the hoax. Would it be possible for you to undelete the page and blank it, so that I can re-access the history, and collect the necessary diffs? I believe that other pages/edits were created by the same group of individuals, and I'm trying to collate all of the information at Talk:University of Adelaide#Possible hoax. Thanks. :) --Elonka 17:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

• I've restored the page history temporarily. Uncle G 17:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Thanks, it's been a big help. :) What I've found, is a series of IPs that have been systematically introducing false information to Wikipedia articles for about a year. Do you have any advice on what action should be taken against them? I don't often deal with vandals on Wikipedia, so I'm unclear on exactly which template should be placed on their talk page, or what kind of block (if any) should be instituted). If it were up to me, I'd block the following users/IPs at least, since pretty much every single one of their edits has been fraudulent:
    • 220.238.23.46 (talk · contribs)
    • 203.35.19.139 (talk · contribs) (based on timing, this is probably Baaaibsnrjp, too)
    • Baaaibsnrjp (talk · contribs)
    • 60.226.253.68 (talk · contribs)
  • Any assistance appreciated, --Elonka 17:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Start with Wikipedia:Vandalism#Dealing_with_vandalism. Given that the vandalism was nearly two months ago and lasted less than 1 day, and that there have been no edits since, what has already been done is probably sufficient. Per our Wikipedia:Blocking policy, blocks are for preventing further vandalism. Since it appears to have stopped of its own accord long since (apart from the 1 copycat edit by 60.226.253.68 (talk · contribs)), a block seems unnecessary. Uncle G 18:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you again for your help. I think the investigation is concluded at this point, so you can re-delete the page if you'd like. It might still be worth keeping it around for page history purposes because of the large number of IPs involved (in case there are further problems), but I'll leave that determination up to you. :) All of the information that I uncovered can be found at Talk:University of Adelaide#Possible hoax. --Elonka 22:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

GSFE/Global Sports Financial Exchange

 Dear Uncle G,

 Thank you for your help on the templates.  I will work to learn how to apply them correctly.  I am not a very technical person so it may take me through the weekend, but I will get it done.

 I am writing in reference to the above link. We do not want to abuse Wikipedia and feel we have been targeted by former traders who were found to be commiting fraud.  It has been stated that we are a scam or a gambling site.

  But this very untrue.  There have been two live TV News pieces done on our exchange one from Denver and one from NY,NY I will gladly provide you with a link to these.  There are also several radio and newspaper stories covering our exchange.  Here are two links to newspaper articles:

http://www.al.com/business/mobileregister/kturner.ssf?/base/business/114276370150830.xml&coll=3

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Lankhof/2006/03/08/1478175-sun.html

  We are not a sports book or variant of a gambling website.  I believe the above mentioned falls under the WP:CORP requirements.  We do not want to use Wikipedia as a form of advertising, our sports derivatives contracts exchange is a super innovative concept.  It is one that represents the forward thinking and independent growth of our generation.  Please give us a chance, take a moment to write me and get to know us and if I am mistaken on the requirements please help me, you can reach me at [email protected]  Thank you.

Verifiable Sources

Thanks for your comments on my discussion page. Maybe I should explain, as the last thing I wanted to do was get the etiquette wrong and confuse people. I use the phrase "verifiable sources" as shorthand, and I am sorry if I sowed confusion by doing so. I appreciate your worry that I am confusing the concepts of Verifiability and Reliability. Here's my reasoning (and lemme know if I'm missing anything -- I'm still learning!):

Wikipedia:Reliable sources is not an official policy, so I haven't felt right in saying to author(s), "my concern when it comes to your sources is whether they are reliable." Other adminstrators have told me not to cite guidelines when there are official policies to cite.

Now Wikipedia:Verifiability is an official policy (unlike reliability). And verifiability does specifically address sources (WP:V#Sources). That's why I've referred to "verifiable sources" -- in an attempt to direct authors and editors to the page (and topic) of verifiability, which does discuss sources (including a section specifically on reliability).

I admit: you are technically right in correcting me that, "It is articles that are (or are not) verifiable." And I feel bad if my language has been imprecise and I've confused anyone. I'll try to be more specific with my choice of words in the future. Would it be acceptable, in the future, to specifically cite WP:V#Sources_of_dubious_reliability -- as this is the official policy regarding source reliability (even though it is technically listed under verifiability).

On a side note: might I suggest that Administrators consider either 1) Making Wikipedia:Reliable sources an official policy and/or 2) Removing discussion of sources from the verifiability page, if administrators feel sources are not capable of being verified.

Thanks much for your time. And I am sorry for getting things wrong. I'm still learning and do so appreciate all the help I can get! Please don't hesitate to let me know if you think I'm still wrong (or if there are any other things I've gotten wrong!) Thank you. Scorpiondollprincess 21:45, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

• No worries. Administrators don't dictate policy, though. Administrators are simply ordinary users that the community trusts to wield certain more powerful editing tools. You might want to take up the issue of that section on Wikipedia talk:Verifiability. Uncle G 09:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:CORP and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norman Technologies

I replied to you as regards whether WP:CORP must be understood to control; in brief, I imagine that we think quite similarly vis-à-vis notability, viz., that WP:NN, et seq., simply codify WP:NOT in the context of XfD and ought to be treated as policy, but simply meant to convey that it is not unreasonable for certain editors to discount WP:CORP at AfD and that MyWikiBiz might be better served to address individual arguments advanced by editors than simply to suggest that those arguments are inconsistent with WP:CORP. I'm never a fan of one's arguing that notability is only a guideline, and I wasn't suggesting that I would discount WP:CORP here; it is true, though, that many editors, rightly or wrongly, don't embrace WP:CORP, and a good AfD discussion ought not simply to overlook those editors if they make valid points (again, I don't know that they do, but I don't think an a priori judgment to be appropriate). Joe 22:09, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

No Rodeo

Hi. I am unsure exactly what in this article is unreferenced. If it's the number of votes, look in the external links which I placed as references for you. Timeshift 18:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• Readers should have references that allow them to confirm even the basics, such as that this political party actually exists at all and is a properly registered political party. The web site of a purported organization is not a source. Organizations can claim anything that they want to about themselves on their own web sites. See Democratic Labour Party (Trinidad and Tobago)#References, Liberal Party (Utah)#References, and Liberal Party (UK)#References for some examples of references. See also Wikipedia:Guide to layout#Standard_appendices. Uncle G 09:31, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Hawaiian English

I owe you a fuller explanation of why I removed three of the references you added to Hawaiian English (which I have since added to Hawaiian Pidgin). I located these resources at my university library, and noticed that although they used the term "Hawaiian English," they were in fact talking about what Wikipedia calls "Hawaiian Pidgin," rather than about what Wikipedia calls "Hawaiian English." Thus I deemed them more appropriate for the Pidgin article. I was not able to locate the other books and articles you noted, so I cannot review those. Thanks for finding these resources. Andrew Levine 23:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

• I wasn't aware that they had been moved to another article. Fair enough. Uncle G 09:08, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On 12 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Portrayals of Mormons in popular media, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer

You haven't actually expressed an opinion yet at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. My own feeling is that it is a legitimate topic because the phrase and its variants are proverbial and are frequently alluded to in discussions of economic inequality. I've added some stuff to the article, making a start on bringing out that aspect. Dpbsmith (talk) 16:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

MyWikiBiz discussion

Please join the new discussion at: "Paid to edit" dialogue -- MyWikiBiz 05:49, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Jabulon (2nd nomination)

Thank-you so much for pointing it out to me, very kind. Ifnord 01:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

EditGrid AfD

Would like to let you know that I have added a few more references to EditGrid after your reply on its AfD, which was recently re-listed. You may be interested to take a look there and see if the references have change your mind about the EditGrid article. --Pkchan 10:44, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for quickly closing that AfD and fixing the links (I guess that was beyond the call of duty, nice to see!) Best wishes, Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Your thoughts on WikiProject LGBT studies

When you've got a few minutes, I was wondering if you'd take a look at my ideas regarding increasing participation in WikiProject LGBT studies? Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk | contribs) 01:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Edit Summaries

I concur on the value of descriptive edit summaries when editing articles and will do so in the future. However, I mostly hang out on AfD and my 'quirky' summaries are more or less my calling card so that, for those who care, may distinguish me from the despots. Though in truth, I don't really hold much stock in whether or not anyone would care. I just like to chim in for the benefit of talking...or...uh, typing. 205.157.110.11 02:26, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Converium Holding AfD

Please assume good faith in future. Catchpole 09:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Requesting that editors cite sources to support their arguments, as I requested that you do twice, is not assuming bad faith. If you think that it is, then Wikipedia is not for you. Citing sources, and asking for sources to be cited, is one of the primary tasks around here. You're going to be asked to cite sources a lot. Uncle G 09:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Notability guidelines for real places

You know... your right. I didn't really think my comment though all the way... I was really only thinking about town and cities. ---J.S (t|c) 23:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Delfi.lt

Thanks for Your time and efforts on Delfi.lt. It was a great pleasure. Encyclopaedia Editing Dude 10:06, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I see

But aren't other supermodels "copy righted" word for word? Adriana Lima, Tyra Banks, Naomi Campbell I could go on and on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cococanelle (talk • contribs) 2006-08-22 14:19:11

• The Wikipedia articles on those supermodels are copyrighted, but are licenced under the GFDL. The copyrighted article at AskMen that you copied is not. As I said, please read our Wikipedia:Copyright policy. Uncle G 14:45, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Your edit to User talk:Cococanelle

Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! - CobaltBlueTony 15:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• It was signed. Uncle G 15:04, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, the {{welcome}} was not signed. Also... When using certain template tags on talk pages, don't forget to substitute with text by adding subst: to the template tag. For example, use {{subst:test}} instead of {{test}}. This reduces server load and prevents accidental blanking of the template. (In this case, {{subst:welcome}} instead of {{welcome}}.) Just a little friendly editing advice. Happy editing! - CobaltBlueTony 15:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
    • That's because there was no reason to sign twice. Uncle G 15:15, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

incivility and POV-pushing on David L. Cook

Since you're well known for combating sourceless POV/OR, can you take a look at David L. Cook, and at my talk page? User:Iamascorp has continually been inserting unsourced POV/vanity claims (the editor has admitted to being part of the management team for Cook, and continually refers to the article as "our article"). User:Iamascorp has already violated WP:NPA a dozen times in his posts to my talk page and to the article's: I make a brief explanation of why a source is needed for an unsourced claim, and he comes back with a long barrage of character assassination. I'd rather not take this to an RfC, so perhaps you can provide another opinion here? He seems convinced that I am totally out to "get" he and David L. Cook in every way, when all I am stating is that their edits contain unsourced claims. wikipediatrix 22:21, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

• Bear in mind that you appear to be dealing with multiple people using a single account. So conversations with that account may seem a little incoherent. Uncle G 01:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Yes indeed... I'm a bit confused by the IAMAS Corporation article, which, though created and edited mostly by User:Iamascorp and 69.134.2.43, seems to be deliberately and falsely portraying the IAMAS (International Academy of Music Media Arts and Sciences) as being one and the same as this "Iamas Corporation" which is based out of a P.O. Box in Monroe, NC as this link shows. The official IAMAS academy site given on the article never uses the term "Corporation", makes no reference to North Carolina, and does not seem to be in the business of managing Caroline Keller. Of course, I could be wrong. wikipediatrix 01:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
    • See User:Vilerage/Iamas. Uncle G 01:45, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

David L Cook Article/Wikipediatrix

Hi sorry I hadn't fully looked at the info, as I did say originally. I think you have misinterpreted what I said (although from reading it again it isn't very clear). What I said is that you should discuss the tags on the talk page before you remove them (you should discuss, not simply remove tags as you seem to be suggesting I advised). --Wisden17 00:55, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

• Fair enough. But better still of course is to actually supply the sources. ☺ I suspect that the root of the problem here is that the people at the company making these edits are writing about their own company, and their own company's clients, from firsthand knowledge, and that there aren't any sources to cite. Uncle G 01:13, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

List of songs about sex

Re: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about sex (2nd nomination), you mentioned the Battle Hymn of the Republic. Come on, "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord"? Sounds like sex to me. =) Powers ^T 14:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

• And what about the line from Magnificat: "Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name." - What "things" were done to Mary that were not on the topic of this section? ;-) JesseW, the juggling janitor 04:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • <chuckle> Perhaps not the things that you think. You do remember that according to Christian belief she is a virgin at that point, don't you? Uncle G 10:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Two words in re: virgin: Oral sex. (You can send me to hell now.) JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
      • I remember being told many years ago (by a rather fey fellow that I knew) that the Russian Orthodox belief was that the Holy Spirit entered Mary through her ear, aka 'taking it in the ear'. -- Donald Albury 12:01, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

LOL (Internet slang)

I'm curious. Your edit summary said you were 'restoring' the sourced analysis. I don't remember seeing such a section in the article, and I've had it on my watch list for many months now. The article had become bloated with unsourced trivia and nonsense, and desperately needed to be cleaned up. In any case, could you point me to where the sourced analysis was removed? BTW, I've no complaints with the section, I just don't remember seeing it before. -- Donald Albury 12:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

• The version of the article that I pulled it out of was this one. Uncle G 12:24, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmmm! That does appear to be just before I added the article to my watchlist. I am a bit surprised at the way the section disappeared. Oh well, that was months ago, so that's something to just file away to niggle at the back of my mind. -- Donald Albury 01:49, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh...

Yes, I did read WP:GOOGLE, but I guessed I missed that part. I usually say the number of hits it generates on Google, but this time I just said "pass". Sorry about that.

--  Nishkid64  ^Talk  22:00, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Appreciate your patience in educating a newby.

Appreciate your patience in educating a Wikipolicy newby. Served on a planning commission for 20 years. Toward the end I'd heard the same specious arguments so many times that I was having a hard time suffering fools. Finally quit on the day that I could not restrain myself and advised an applicant that he was either duplicitous or a fool, and then asked him which it was. So I understand that you’ve probably grown tired of those new to Wikipedia policy challenging things that are obvious to you as a seasoned admin. Bear with us; we’ll figure it out too. Skål - Williamborg (Bill) 04:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• No worries. Yes, the repetition can become exhausting at times. But yes, in amongst the people who have come to Wikipedia for all of the wrong reasons there are those who do figure it out and who become good editors that in their turn help others. The arguments that you are making are not the sorts of arguments that those who have come to Wikipedia for all of the wrong reasons make. You'll soon learn what those arguments are. ☺ In part, I'm actually trying to help you to learn how to make strong cases for keeping things, partly from my own experience. If it seems that I'm harping upon "sources! sources! sources!" all of the time, it's because experience has taught me that an article that cites copious good sources is by far the strongest and most compelling argument. Editors are nearly always convinced by a clear stub that has context and that demonstrates with citations of multiple independent non-trivial published works that are specifically about the subject (even if they are in a "further reading" section and not (yet) used as sources) that the PNC is satisfied. See Gävle goat (AfD discussion) and Fly Asian Xpress (AfD discussion), for a couple of very recent examples. Articles that cite sources are rarely even nominated for deletion, let alone deleted. Uncle G 09:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Re : Cough

Oh! =P Solved. =) - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 09:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Musilanguage

Well done that man. Just zis Guy you know? 11:55, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, very nice job -- Samir धर्म 06:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Quick CSD question...

....that is, if you're not too busy :) After that major error I made on AfD (which I am still embarressed about) I seriously re-read the CSD. However, I saw a fictional character up for AfD, here, and someone had voted Speedy Delete under A7. It says, on A7 though, that the criteria is for real people.

So am I right in thinking that this fictional character can not be deleted under A7, or am I really confused about CSD? Thank you for any help you can give.

Yours, Thε Halo ^Θ 22:47, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• The main aim of A7 is to combat the flood of new articles that continually arrive from people writing pages about themselves, their friends, or their private gangs/clubs — People who come to Wikipedia not to write encyclopaedia articles but to give themselves a name check. Given that fictional characters cannot submit vanity articles about themselves to Wikikpedia, A7 isn't really aimed at them. ☺ For the long discussion, see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion/Proposal/1 and its talk page. Uncle G 23:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks Uncle G, that's what I thought, but after making such a glaringly obvious mistake last time, I thought I'd make doubley sure. Thank you very, very much. Thε Halo ^Θ 23:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

A suggestion

Your comments on the 500 home run topic came across as quite rude. I would also suggest that you re-read my comments. I said anyone who hits a home run COULD be included in the list. Whether you need to hit 2 home runs or 200 is irrelevant to my point. Further, I said the information was verifiable. That does not mean it is encyclopedic. Asking me to re-read the title is pretty offensive. Thanks and good luck in the future.Wolverinegod 13:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

• Politely asking you to read the title of the article (because it directly contradicts your assertion) is asking you to read the title of the article. It is neither rude nor offensive in the slightest. And you first stated that the information was verifiable and then later stated that you thought that it was not verifiable. That is, as I pointed out, a contradiction. Uncle G 14:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
  • You did not "politely" ask me to read the title of the article. You either did not read my comments or did not understand them. I did not say that the article was not verifiable, I said it was not encyclopedic. The title does not "contradict" my statment, you just don't understand how to use and understand proper english. The CRITERIA for being on the list is NOT the "list itself".Wolverinegod 18:29, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes I did. My exact words were "Please read the article title.". And yes you did. Your very words were "verifiable and "encyclopedic" (which i don't think this article is)". Please don't make personal arguments about other editors, and please don't remove from AFD discussion pages the comments from other editors who opine to keep an article that you have nominated for deletion as you did here. (I've restored that comment.) Finally: The criteria for the list are clear from both the article's title and the article's content. Uncle G 19:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Orgle and your essay

I didn't "remove the references," I just didn't remember to move them over. You fixed it, so no big deal.

As for your essay: I like it, except that it really doesn't reflect reality on Wikipedia. If you changed the word "notability" everywhere to "includability," it would be indisputable. However, here's what "notability" means, from dictionary.com:

1. the state or quality of being notable; distinction; prominence. 2. a notable or prominent person.

You see? This is the problem. Most users don't get it: notability should not be an excuse for everyone to have their own opinion on the importance of something, but it sure sounds that way from the term. So I don't like your essay in that it embraces that false dichotomy. Mangojuice^talk 12:45, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• What false dichotomy? I suggest, now that you have looked up "notability" and seen it defined in terms of "notable", that you look up, in turn, the entry for "notable". Uncle G 18:14, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah Beng - {{original research}} ?

Hi

I notice that you have added the {{original research}} tag the article, Ah Beng. I've left a note at the article's talk page. Perhaps you can read it and respond there. --Rifleman 82 16:30, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

your comments on WP

They User:Uncle G/On notability have been nominated for Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion. If i am wrong, others will defend your vanity work (dictionary about vanity: 11. produced as a showcase for one's own talents, esp. as a writer, actor, singer, or composer: a vanity production.) - I have noticed your admin status, wondering if you are new user or using a new account. Probably you wish to remove the vanity work yourself. User:Yy-bo 23:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

• Administrators are rarely new users. Based both on this and your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brandon Academy Private School, it appears that you have an exceedingly strange, if not downright wrong, idea of what constitutes vanity work here. Uncle G 01:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Well i would like to get it deleted. However, i have read most deletion nominations for WP:SCH articles don't get through; only around 15%. If it helps i can write this school is not noteable WP:NOTABILITY, looks substanceless in terms of WP:SCH. The fact being a private exclusive school does not make it important automatically. Probably i leave the schools alone because they have so poor deletion rate. User:Yy-bo 02:28, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You use We all the time. How can people know what you mean? If you get enough backup to keep the page, it is nonetheless no official policy.
If i take it serious how can i know if i am violating real policies?
You superimpose it is a new policy/these are new policies.
The guidelines about notability need more explanation anyway, especially music records.
User:Yy-bo 01:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Only you have actually said that it was an official policy. If you follow the advice given, you won't violate policies, and you won't become widely criticised for making bad AFD nominations. That's why I pointed you to the advice in the first place. When someone points you to a page giving good advice based upon experience, immediately nominating it for deletion is somewhat foolish. Uncle G 01:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I have nominated it for that reason: You use a self-righteous spelling. It is not obvious if you are backed by a group of others, if it is your personal opinion etc. You use We in your essay On Notability. WP does not use We all the time. I have read parts of your essay by the way. And you can't criticize me for an Afd i have withdrawn easily. I have also produced good afd nominations; stuff people where happy when it was gone. As written above, school articles are difficult to get rid of, i am staying away from them for now.
    Good amins can take critics, i am sorry if it takes off your time. However i believe you should not use it (the essay on notability) as a piece of advice; not without respelling it. User:Yy-bo 02:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
    • We Wikipedians use 'we' whenever we feel we are speaking for the consensus of opinion among Wikipedians. It is part of the collegial nature of Wikipedia to speak as 'we'. -- Donald Albury 02:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
      • He (User Uncle_G) does not say if it is personal work, a collective effort, or if he has already gained community consensus. User:Yy-bo 05:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Well before you request for comments i can offer to withdraw the Mfd because you are argueable. However i would like to see the page edited, if you link to it from talk pages. User:Yy-bo 01:33, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Linking to essays from discussion pages is a longstanding practice here at Wikipedia, and perfectly fine. Uncle G 01:43, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • You have linked to your essay like linking to a policy (you include the name trail NOTABILITY). There is nothing wrong asking me to read your essay. However, there was some underage graffitti on afd into various articles on afd. I wanted all of the articles to go. No probe. You linked to your essay calling my votes poorly choosen (meaning of sense). By the way i do not plan to disrupt anything, however your work (the essay user page on notability) is a) incomplete b) claims to be a policy guide. Don't expect nothings happens...There is no evidence (from contribution history) that user UncleG is a longtime member. User:Yy-bo 02:24, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
    • underage graffitti — That an editor is young does not automatically make them a vandal. Please assume good faith.

      calling my votes "poorly choosen" — I said nothing about choice. What I actually said was that the rationales were poor, and explained why. Rather than learning from the explanation, you nominated it for deletion.

      There is no evidence (from contribution history) that user UncleG is a longtime member. — How do you like your canned tuna? Oil, brine, or water? Uncle G 10:53, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

AFD

You wrote:

No, it isn't. AFD doesn't need editors nominating articles just to "probe consensus".
Bear in mind the lesson of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/GRider, where an editor was
widely censured for making nominations that were similar such probes. Only nominate
articles for deletion that you actually want to be deleted. Uncle G 01:03, 4 September
2006 (UTC) 

I am not nominating just to probe. Everything i nominate is stuff i really want to get deleted.
There are a few cases where i do not know exactly.
However, if i believe the articles can not be (because of WP reason), i can try to put them on afd?
This applies to various lists for instance; how can i know about them? Sometimes it is called listcruft, sometimes voted keep.
I do not probe articles by putting them to afd just to try what happens.
Except your essay page. You scared me, i believed you are trying to introduce new policies.

I do not say my AFD behaviour is perfect. But, most of my past suggestions have been accepted, say more than 90 percent. User:Yy-bo 01:30, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• In this edit you stated that nominating to probe consensus is exactly what you are doing. Uncle G 02:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I use the word sometimes. If an editor always probes, without considering consensus and WP, it is not allright. I do not mean to probe without any anchor that the article might be a candidate for deletion. I refer to List_of_webcomics, two times subject of afd, have the nominating editors been banned? No. User:Yy-bo 02:16, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I have researched the GRider case Excerpt:

It would appear that the so-called "Google test" is a complete fallacy. How is any of this
material useful or relevant to current practice? Why should this document be kept and how
does it benefit the participants of VfD?

This is disordered; not refering to any of WP.
Interesting but i do no not see a relation to my Afd nomination's.
You are right only to nominate if it is backed by failure to meet relevant WP, and if there is a real interest to see the article deleted, merged, edited immediately.
If it gets edited immediately, it is a criteria of notability at least for the editor.User:Yy-bo 05:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Uncle G/On_notability

If you agree i would like to withdraw the deletion vote as not being effective. See also User:Yy-bo/Dict_defs - only created in result of your essay. Please add user template, and probably a disclaimer saying it is your personal opinion; or the opinion of a group of people you use to know. User:Yy-bo 03:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• Withdrawn Categorization Essay not considered when nominating for deletion. Concept of essay was previously unknown to me. User:Yy-bo 05:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Waveley Borough Council AfD

Uncle G, the reason that I nomiated this article is that it has 1 entrier sentence which is already on the Waveley,Surrey so please that me how else we should merge the article :-) Aussie King Pin 11:56, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

• "how else" implies that AFD is a way to merge articles. It isn't. AFD is Articles for deletion, the complete removal of an article and its entire edit history. It is not the place to go unless deletion is what one wants. Article merger does not involve deletion at any point. That step #2 of an article merger may be a short one doesn't change the fundamentals of the process. Uncle G 12:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC)