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Lamb, Kate (August 2, 2017). "Wiki warriors: activists fighting to keep truth of brutal Marcos regime in Philippines alive". The Guardian (Guardian Media Group). Retrieved August 2, 2017.
Manglinong, Dan (April 12, 2018). "A 'fake news' list and an edit war on Mocha Uson's Wikipedia page". InterAksyon. Twitter users who posted and commented on screenshots of the revised Wikipedia entry for Uson also noticed the Wikipedia page of late dictator Ferdinand Marcos.
Krixia Subingsubing, Mariejo S. Ramos (February 25, 2021). "'Editing' Edsa: Battle rages online vs trolls, revisionists". Philippine Daily Inquirer. The Ferdinand Marcos page alone has had over 7,170 edits since 2002. It's also host to pro-Marcos revisionist accounts who "often cause a big headache and great damage to the article,"
"How Marcos Family & Supporters Are Rewriting History Online: Digital Activists Fight Misinformation". CNA Insider (Mediacorp). 12 June 2024. Confronting historical lies in cyberspace is a battle being fought on Wikipedia too... On average more than 376 edits are made on the Ferdinand Marcos Senior Wikipedia page every year.

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Section sizes

Section size for Ferdinand Marcos (84 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	40,022	40,022
Early life	5,822	5,822
Education	4,206	4,206
Julio Nalundasan assassination	4,452	4,452
World War II (1939–1945)	77	77
Post-WWII (1949–1965)	3,078	5,295
Presidential campaign	2,217	2,217
Administration and cabinet	321	321
First term (1965–1969)	3,849	14,317
Defense expansion	814	814
Vietnam War	3,024	3,024
Loans for construction projects	1,073	1,073
Jabidah exposé	4,106	4,106
1969 campaign	129	129
Balance of payments crisis	105	105
Informal diplomacy	1,217	1,217
Second term (1969–1972)	5,442	35,799
Social unrest after the balance of payments crisis	955	9,963
"Moderate" and "radical" opposition	1,279	3,252
Moderates	976	976
Radicals	997	997
Radicalization	5,756	5,756
First Quarter Storm	3,970	3,970
Constitutional Convention of 1971	5,500	5,500
CPP New People's Army	1,980	1,980
Rumored coup d'état and assassination plot	2,526	2,526
Plaza Miranda bombing	4,461	4,461
1971 suspension of habeas corpus	1,867	1,867
1972 Manila bombings	90	90
Martial law era (1972–1981)	5,233	29,110
Arrests	692	692
Bagong Lipunan (New Society)	4,583	4,583
Filipinization of Chinese schools	1,844	1,844
1973 referendum	236	236
Rolex 12 and the military	2,125	2,125
US foreign policy	4,205	4,205
Switch from Taiwan to the People's Republic of China	4,071	4,071
1978 parliamentary election	3,693	3,693
Prime minister	968	968
Proclamation 2045	1,460	1,460
Third term (1981–1986)	1,876	12,663
Armed conflict with the CPP–NPA	1,871	1,871
Recession	1,722	1,722
Aquino assassination	4,683	4,683
Impeachment attempt	1,190	1,190
Physical decline	1,321	1,321
Economic performance	1,397	1,397
Snap election, People Power Revolution, and ouster (1986)	64	10,873
1986 snap election	7,842	7,842
1986 RAM coup and People Power Revolution	2,967	2,967
Exile in Hawaii (1986–1989)	34	14,679
Fleeing to Hawaii	8,534	8,534
Plans to return and "The Marcos Tapes"	3,004	3,004
Legal cases	3,107	3,107
Personal life	3,926	3,926
Death and burial	7,440	7,440
Trials and reparations	28	9,280
Roxas v. Marcos	1,131	1,131
Sandiganbayan, Supreme Court, and international trials	1,582	1,582
Reparations	6,539	6,539
Legacy	305	69,450
Human rights abuses	9,126	28,939
Abductions	2,455	2,455
Killings	5,926	15,605
Civilian massacres	5,486	5,486
Muslim massacres	4,193	4,193
Family denial	1,753	1,753
Ill-gotten wealth	12,313	12,399
Overseas investments	86	86
Monopolies	155	155
Infrastructure and edifices	12,949	12,949
Logging and deforestation	2,891	2,891
Heavy industrialization	2,942	4,694
Nuclear Power	1,752	1,752
Educational system	2,394	2,394
Metro Manila	2,136	2,136
The US–Marcos relationship	2,588	2,588
Books	2,628	2,628
Recognition	4,435	4,435
See also	508	508
Notes	24	24
References	362	362
Further reading	688	688
External links	6,118	6,118
Total	283,892	283,892

Mass murderer category

Would a mass murderer category be appropriate for him? 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:BC5E:E0AD:C8F9:553 (talk) 20:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Marcos himself carried out the murders, so no. Maybe state-sponsored killings or something else? Howard the Duck (talk) 05:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is: other dictators such as Bashar al Assad, Saddam Hussein, etc have mass murderer as a category. 2600:100C:A218:9A7B:70FE:16E:CEBB:85ED (talk) 06:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly, Adolf Hitler does not have a mass murderer category but Benito Mussolini does. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 13:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Has Hitler ever been accused of mass murder? Dimadick (talk) 13:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, it's an analogy considering Marcos is associated with widespread human rights violations, but probably not mass murder unless you count extrajudicial killings. Hitler would more likely be considered a mass murderer for the Holocaust alone. Ganmatthew (talk • contribs) 14:31, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Marcos and other similar dictators may have caused an unquantifiable number of killings, but I'd suppose it's not mass murder but something else. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ex-President Marcos Sr.'s Dictatorship of 20 years Impacts: Estimated human rights abuses and stolen national wealth.

Ex-President Marcos Sr.'s Dictatorship of 20 years

Impacts: Estimated human rights abuses and stolen national wealth. 122.52.31.74 (talk) 06:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Torturer category

Would the torturer category be appropriate here? 2600:100C:A21D:971A:3DFA:A9B2:FCD8:A60 (talk) 06:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unless it was documented that it was Marcos himself who did the torturing, then no. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:48, 12 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of sources that state his regime was responsible for torturing. Why do other dictators have the mass murderer category as well? 2600:100C:A20D:BB75:D500:DBA6:3203:9CF9 (talk) 23:13, 28 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you need to read and understand the arguments on the mass murderer section above. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:40, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bring that up on their pages as well. 2600:382:2400:1702:A0F5:BE3B:C176:8503 (talk) 23:12, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marcos Legacy

Can you please right down all Marcos Projects and all of its cost so we can check everything how much did he really stole from the government. For 25 years in power he only spent 400B pesos. So i wondered where did he gets the funding and the resources. 2604:3D09:8885:D900:1032:B365:9111:8E4E (talk) 15:07, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion of edit on the section "Rumored coup d'état and assassination plot"

As Marcos consolidated his power and personally courted the power of the AFP well, which he routinely utilized for his own political ends. The opposition would now resort on armed groups to survive politically — if not physically — as Aquino had a sizeable private army supplied with over one hundred guns, it was evident that it was not enough to stand against Marcos hold on AFP, they would have to resort on some ploys. With the elite opposition, not content with funding the protests to destabilize Marcos, they began plotting assassinations and coup d'état. Sergio Osmeña Jr. formed a secret organization workshop called the “Workshop Group”, it was composed of ex-military and intelligence operatives. On the peroid of Osmeña’s election defeat, Workshop Group began plotting to assassinate the reelected president and hired even foreign hitmen to carry out the job; evidence also suggest that Lopez brothers also gave financial help to assists these schemes of Osmeña. They made multiple attempts, but failed, due to a mole in the organization who secretly informed Marcos faction — of the activities and plotting of the said group.

Joseph Scalice, The Drama of Dictatorship: Martial Law and the Communist Parties of the Philippines (Quezon City: Ateneo de Manila University Press, 2023), 40–41.

Naive01 (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]