Talk:Lysander

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I have updated the article (enlarging it and removing the stub status) but it could still do with a picture if anyone is up for providing one- Isthatyou ==Untitled== Early Life Section :- "Lysander joined the same barracks as (the soon to be King) Leonidas. Cleomenes died in 489B.C. and was succeeded by his half brother, who would probably have then left his original barracks for the Royal mess. To join a mess Lysander would have to be at least 18yrs.old, at best he could have been born in say 507BC.If we then take his date of death as 395BC. we find a Spartan General aged 108 yrs. leading a military expedition. This may be improbable--203.161.136.218 (talk) 01:55, 7 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dux: Leader versus Duke

Would it not be better that the engraving was captioned as "leader of the Spartans" - that is what the Latin says afaics. Duke comes from the Latin Dux, but Dux means 'leader' 217.41.30.134 (talk)

Death

This page says, "In the Battle of Haliartus, Lysander was killed after bringing his forces too near to the walls of the city." Battle of Haliartus says "Lysander marched his army up to the walls of Haliartus. When an attempt to take the city by subversion failed, he launched an assault on the walls. A sizable Theban force, however, was located nearby, perhaps unbeknownst to Lysander. This force hurried to the assistance of the city's defenders. In heated fighting under the walls of Haliartus, Lysander's force was routed and he himself was killed." One of these accounts must be wrong. Philgoetz (talk) 03:35, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dumb 2600:1015:B037:1C36:F8DA:152:753C:47D5 (talk) 00:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

LGBT?

The article is tagged as LGBT, but the article text itself contains to reference to this, leaving the LGBT issue stated but without reference. 104.187.53.82 (talk) 06:10, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lysander was the lover of the future king Agesilaus II. It's mentioned in the article. T8612 (talk) 09:01, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A General?

Lysander died in battle ashore, but most of the text is about his naval victories. Shouldn’t he be characterized as more a significant admiral / minor general than the reverse? The first action in the lede is destroying the Athenian Fleet. R/ the JMOprof ©¿©¬ 15:03, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lover & Beloved

Why is the other information provided by Xenophon (who was a friend of Agesilaus) and Plutarch (who wrote an entire biography of Agesilaus) valid, but when it comes to his same-sex sexuality (addressed by both) and his pederastic relationship with Lysander (reported by Plutarch) it is not valid and, therefore, they keep undoing the edit of this page when placed in the category "Ancient Greek LGBTQ people"? What policy on Wikipedia allows double standards when it comes to references? Fábio Aquiles (talk) 13:58, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be extensive secondary discussion to justify inclusion in these categories. The whole LGBTQ definition makes no sense in the ancient world anyway Molikog (talk) 15:29, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No one is saying that he labeled himself "LGBTQ," but rather that these categories were created with the broad meaning of non-heterosexual people (which Agesilaus and Lysander definitely are).
And how can primary sources not serve this purpose? This is ridiculous. James Romm, in his book "The Sacred Band: Three Hundred Theban Lovers Fighting to Save Greek Freedom," argues that Agesilaus and Lysander were lovers; would this secondary source serve this purpose? --Fábio Aquiles (talk) 14:59, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Go read WP:PRIMARY. Way too much of the Ancient hidstory sections wikipedia is cited primary ancient sources of very varying quality, and moralising stories in Plutarch aren't at the top end.

what's the actual citation for Romm? Molikog (talk) 08:45, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]