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Iceland–Serbia relations

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A redirect that was undone. There are minimal relations between these 2 countries, and definitely not covered in any detail in third party sources. Fails GNG. LibStar (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Morina

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I reckon this fails WP:GNG. According to Vickers & Pettifer, there were "25 minor battles in the Koshare/Morina corridor, between 1 January and 31 August 1998, more than in the rest of the Albania/Kosova border areas put together". [1] This clash appears to be one of them. Boolean searches using numerous different permutations ("KLA" AND "Morina" AND "1998", etc.) turn up nothing pertaining to it other than this very article and Wiki mirrors. A Google search for the Albanian term "Beteja e Morinës" between 1999 and 2022 returns 9 results, mostly Youtube videos and Facebook posts. [2] It is only in July 2023 that we see a couple of articles in mainstream Albanian-language sources from Kosovo marking the 25th anniversary of what was supposedly a great KLA victory. [3]

This sparsity shouldn’t be all too surprising considering the fatalities on the Yugoslav army side, and by extension the significance of the event, are made entirely from whole cloth. According to the Kosovo Memory Book, which contains a detailed list of all 13,000+ conflict-related fatalities from 1 January 1998 to December 31, 2000, 6 ethnic Albanian combatants and 1 civilian were killed in the municipality of Đakovica/Gjakovë on 7 July 1998, which aligns with the article’s claim of 6 KLA killed. However, no other military or civilian deaths are recorded in the municipality on this date, let alone 64. [4] Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 20:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The article is full of WP:OR research. Per nom. Theonewithreason (talk) 09:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Albania vs Serbia (2026 FIFA World Cup qualifying)

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Fails WP:NOTNEWS, WP:LASTING, and similar guidelines. Devoid of broader impact and meaning. Geschichte (talk) 13:57, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nothing really of importance happening here, the match doesn't really stand out. Govvy (talk) 14:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Albania–Serbia football rivalry – As Gowy said, nothing relevant happened. Svartner (talk) 16:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. No evidence this is a notable game and therefore no reason for a redirect. Why would anyone search for this? Esolo5002 (talk) 22:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Discourages the recreation. Svartner (talk) 00:51, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:38, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Per Svartner, I am surprised how this got an article in the first place, since nothing happened that becames this match notable (not like the 2014 one). Protoeus (talk) 02:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Albania–Serbia football rivalry the match itself isn't notable. All of the content is about the football rivalry in general and related politics, not about the match itself, as the match was routine. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and do not redirect. Uneventful matchup between two nations which happen to share a rivalry. "Albania vs Serbia (2026 FIFA World Cup qualifying)," or any variation thereof, is a highly unlikely search term. I also disagree with the claim that redirecting would discourage the recreation of an article. I think the exact opposite would be true since a redirect retains the current article history. If recreation becomes an issue, then WP:SALTing can be considered down the road. Frank Anchor 15:34, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I also feel redirecting would accomplish nothing. Govvy (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Glanasela

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WP:CFORK of Central Drenica offensive. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 16:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete As per nom. Vast majority of the article is cited to an unreliable blog. --Griboski (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it has sources from multiple sides and they are very reliable, your personal opinion does not effect facts. 79.140.150.3 (talk) 19:48, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It isn't a matter of opinion. WP has guidelines on what constitutes a RS. "srpskioklop.paluba.info", a forum and blog, would not be one of them. --Griboski (talk) 18:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. — Sadko (words are wind) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vërrini Conflict

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WP:CFORK of KLA Summer offensive (1998). Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The article is a total mess and full of original research as well. --Griboski (talk) 17:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. — Sadko (words are wind) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Llapusha-South Drenica Front

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WP:CFORK of KLA Summer offensive (1998). Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Bukoc

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Small skirmishes like this one, from an insurgency in which a total of several dozen people were killed over the course of two years, clearly falls under WP:NOTNEWS. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:20, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Small non-notable skirmish. --Griboski (talk) 21:53, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Skirmish on Saint Ilija Mountain

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Small skirmishes like this one, from an insurgency in which a total of several dozen people were killed over the course of two years, clearly falls under WP:NOTNEWS. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This is not a random skirmish as you may think, its very imporant to not have its page, it was a big strategical operation which affected result of the Insurgency by a lot. 79.140.150.3 (talk) 19:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Šušaja

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Small skirmishes like this one, from an insurgency in which a total of several dozen people were killed over the course of two years, clearly falls under WP:NOTNEWS. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. It seems like Amanuensis Balkanicus is on a bit of a rant, trying to delete anything that even mentions an Albanian insurgent victory. A battle that lasted four days, involved multiple APCs, seven tanks (one of which was damaged), as well as special forces, and left around 9 to 12 participants dead or wounded—including one member of the SAJ special forces—is clearly not a small skirmish. If we're going by that logic, why not start an AfD for the Battle of Oraovica too? GermanManFromFrankfurt (talk) 14:47, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep this was a rather big escelation in insurgency, hence meets the criteria of WP:N and should stay. Durraz0 (talk) 21:01, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Dobrosin

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Small skirmishes like this one, from an insurgency in which a total of several dozen people were killed over the course of two years, clearly falls under WP:NOTNEWS. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 15:21, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Again, just like in the case of the Battle of Đocaj and Jasić, this battle holds significance. It was the very battle that marked the outbreak of the Insurgency in the Preševo Valley. This was the first major engagement between the LAPMB and Yugoslav forces. I see no reason why it should be deleted. Furthermore, it was widely reported on in Western media, as shown by the sources mentioned in the article. GermanManFromFrankfurt (talk) 01:56, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Insurgency in the Preševo Valley#2000. Not notable on its own, doesn't meet WP:EFFECT or WP:GEOSCOPE, or WP:DEPTH. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:34, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jovan Trnić

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Serbian men's footballer who spent his entire career at the lower levels. Corresponding article on the Serbian Wikipedia is slightly longer, but even secondary sources are just passing mentions while the last is an interview without independent analysis, if I could read them correctly. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:05, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – There is more than 44 sources in sr.wiki article, it's should be checked carefully. Svartner (talk) 06:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep He didn't play his entire career in the lower leagues, in fact he played a good number of games in the second tier. (However Serbian First League is not a fully pro league like it says it is, in fact that league is semi-pro. Which also counts against some notability in my opinion.) I had a look at both articles and a lot of the citations between the two wiki's. I am somewhat confused about the, on loan for five seasons? I thought I read he was on loan for only two and then signed. There are a number of oddities with his career and the sources. Saying all this, with the amount of citations, they are pretty routine and some are really not acceptable in my opinion. However there is a build of them, and that builds up the story, along with it's oddities. I could have easily just said delete however my keep is very weak. Govvy (talk) 13:33, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (stronger) - the many, many sources on the Serbian page, even though many are short, are exactly what we would expect of a player who is notable in Serbia, as sports news in the area doesn't really do American-style feature stories on players. SportingFlyer T·C 16:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete.
1,3,6,9,10,11,14,15,20,22,24,30,32,33,34,37,41,43,45: non-independent N.
2: interview, almost zero secondary coverage N.
4: passing mention N.
521: trivial coverage in routine transactional news N.
7: passing mention in quote N.
8121316: not mentioned N.
171823242627283643: name drop N.
19: trivial mention N.
25313542: passing mention in primary match report N.
29: passing, non-encyclopedic mentions N.
38: passing mention N.
39: teammate's video on YouTube N.
40: primary highlight reel on YouTube, unknown provenance N.
Literally nothing even approaching non-trivial coverage, let alone GNG. The Serbian page is cobbled together from passing mentions and non-independent accounts from his own clubs. I would estimate there are no more than 15 non-quote/interview-based, prose sentences on him across all 25 sources that aren't from the federation/club, and that's even including the ineligible primary match recaps like
Except for before the break, when goalkeeper Trnić and Benjamin collided while chasing the ball, there was no excitement before the goals, which confirmed what the table shows – the inefficiency of both teams.
As soon as the second half started, the guests were left with a player less, the referee showed a red card to goalkeeper Trnić.
Then Admir Kecap entered the scene, who on three occasions had more than a reasonable chance, but Trnić managed to prevent the advantage of the home team.
and routine transactional reports like
Trnić, who is 18 years old, spent the previous season in Partizan's branch Teleoptik.
there is also the youngster Jovan Trnić who is gaining experience in Teleoptik.
the contracts are for three years, and were signed by goalkeepers Jovan Trnić (1996) and Đorđe Vukanić (2000), as well as striker Nikola Nović (2000).
JoelleJay (talk) 17:34, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is absolutely fucked analysis from the most extreme sports deletionist on the website. You are trying to read Western standards into Serbian journalism. Trnić is clearly a notable Serbian football player. SportingFlyer T·C 18:06, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@JoelleJay: "Let alone GNG" ? What do you mean? All articles must meet that guideline.

@SportingFlyer: Please follow WP:CIVIL and refrain from using swear words. You could said you agree with source analysis that none of the references provided contain significant coverage, but don't start WP:JUSTNOTABLE argument.

⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:20, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not making a WP:JUSTNOTABLE argument. Sources like this and this are normal coverage in Serbia - there's not a lot of feature stories about players, we have coverage detailing his entire career, he made almost 100 appearances and would be expected to be found in an encyclopedia of notable Serbian football players. The GNG requirement came about for sportspeople who had nothing written about them except for database entries. That is not the case at all for Trnić, who received media coverage pretty much every single time his team played, and there is absolutely no shortage of mentions or coverage of him. The only thing we are missing is what I call an "American-style feature article" like the ones small towns write about their otherwise entirely non-notable minor league baseball players, which is what Wikipedia seems to require now instead of common sense. SportingFlyer T·C 15:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So we're supposed to exempt second-tier Serbian footballers from our global consensus requiring GNG and citation to a source of significant coverage because you agree Serbian newspapers don't give them significant coverage...? You linked to two routine transactional reports that are ubiquitous and typical for footballers anywhere in the world, that doesn't make that the normal extent of coverage for notable Serbian footballers, but if it is, that would just mean these subjects are not actually notable to wiki standards. We deprecated NFOOTY precisely because too often appearances in a given league did not correspond to GNG (and it sounds like his 37 second-tier apps wouldn't have even counted toward NFOOTY as it's not actually fully-professional).
Mentions in primary match reports do not count toward GNG or even BASIC, nor does the routine coverage of transactions that often comes directly from press releases. Building an article around those sources would violate our policies on PRIMARY and NPOV. JoelleJay (talk) 18:15, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not an exemption. There are lots of sources covering his career, over a long period of time, which are independent of him - for instance some of the ones that you've tagged as non-independent actually are, even if they have other problems. What I linked are not "routine transactional reports" - the fact he's getting coverage on him at all is a big deal, you are trying to apply American standards to Serbian media. SportingFlyer T·C 14:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You should interpret that sentence as "there isn't even one single secondary independent source providing more than passing mentions, let alone the multiple such sources required for GNG".
I disagree with policing SF's swearing. JoelleJay (talk) 18:21, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I also disagree with putting just one secondary independent source. At least two of them are sufficient enough. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:41, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Let's keep in mind that civility is a policy and one of the five pillars. It is non-negotiable. The notability that we are debating is just a guideline. Thanks. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:08, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer:, I have been trying to say this football media difference between countries stuff for a long time. For instance, I have noticed Zimbabwean, Irish, Polish, Peruvian, Vietnamese and Indonesian media among other countries tend to have larger emphasis on profiles about players in their articles while Serbian, Cypriot, Filipino, North Korean, Finnish, and Saudi Arabian media among other countries tend to have very little (which does not necessarily detract from those countries' players notability). Life is not black and white, many countris have different football media cultures... Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 04:46, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and there's less of an individualist culture of media coverage in Serbia, probably for historical cultural reasons. It remains that there's far more than enough coverage to have a reliable article on him, and he would clearly be in an encyclopedia of Serbian footballers. I also apologise for any incivility, I was stressed for other reasons and very frustrated about this AfD. SportingFlyer T·C 08:00, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – robertsky (talk) 18:00, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 08:17, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep – After two relists very little was presented for the deletion of a well-referenced article in Serbian. Svartner (talk) 17:33, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per Svartner. RossEvans19 (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Per above. Has sources and 30+ appearances in a fully pro league. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 10:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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