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Josh Brooking

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Non-league footballer. Uhooep (talk) 15:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Amundsen Girls Soccer

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High school sports teams are generally not notable unless there is widespread coverage on a national level, which is not the case here. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:14, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete sadly it's a decent little article but the sourcing is just not here to support a youth football club per WP:YOUNGATH. SportingFlyer T·C 15:31, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lane Tech Girls Soccer

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High school sports teams are generally not notable unless there is widespread coverage on a national level, which is not the case here. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 15:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Will Bates

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The highest level the subject played in was the third tier of American soccer before presumably retiring from the sport. While Bates was drafted and signed by the Seattle Sounders, a first tier team, he never made a single appearance. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 05:49, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jacob Barron

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The highest level the subject played was the third tier of the US soccer pyramid and his career was brief. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No WP:SIGCOV in refs, so fails WP:SPORTCRIT. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:52, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:21, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG, no reliable secondary sourcing to confirm notability. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 16:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Bashti

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The highest level the subject played in was for the reserve affiliate of Atlanta United before retiring from the sport. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 05:41, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aye Aye Moe

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Bringing this back to AFD 8 years later. WP:NSOCCER has changed and this article fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to ~~Myanmar women's national football team~~. ITYM "Bringing this back to AfD" not "GNG" above. Cielquiparle (talk) 01:29, 28 June 2025 (UTC) Note: Updating redirect target to List of Myanmar women's international footballers per discussion below. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:04, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the heads up. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 03:37, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as Cielquiparle stated. The main reason it was kept in 2017 was due to her national team appearances. However, many women's Burmese footballers don't have articles because they do not meet notability criteria (like her). Notaoffensivename (talk) 01:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - There really isn't any harm in keeping it. It isn't promotional, and does list an award she received. Notability could definitely go either way, but why get rid of it? I'd fall back on WP:NTEMP to keep it, even though it only explicitly applies to WP:GNG. - Ike Lek (talk) 06:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, because of how Burmese names work and how common a name Aye Aye Moe is, it seems really tough to determine whether or not she really does meet WP:GNG. Ike Lek (talk) 09:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of Myanmar women's international footballers which is imho a better target @Cielquiparle and Notaoffensivename:. Giant Snowman 08:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If consensus is redirect, this is definitely a better target. Ike Lek (talk) 09:24, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense. Sounds good. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jorden Feliciano

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This was PROD'd. Changing to AfD for greater input. The prod reasoning was "Doesn't pass GNG, assistant coaches usually dont get page without GNG. refs are all just casual mentions" RedPatch (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- I basically wrote this article, but I concede the argument that it's of limited notability. (Sorry, I guess I got a bit too completionist.)

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France national football team results (1920–1959)

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Unlikely search term, no idea why we need to inform people that these years are split over two articles. We can then also create disambigs for 1904-1959, or 1920-1999, or any other possible such combination from Category:France national football team results. As far as I can tell, it's not as if this existed but has been split, unlike France national football team results (1921–1959) which has some history. Fram (talk) 08:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Note from page creator: I have no objection to moving the content of France national football team results (1920–1959) to France national football team results (1921–1959), followed by deletion of the 1920-1959 page. As Fram said, it has some history: a split. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with Fram, unneeded disambiguation page. Govvy (talk) 09:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Per above. The content has already been properly organized. Svartner (talk) 19:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - totally unneccessary disambig. Giant Snowman 08:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wang Zixiang

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WP:PROD reversed with summary "played fully pro games and abroad and has sources like...[sources]". By the age of 27 he has played two "fully pro" games, in China's second division. He did play abroad, but the writing "Spanish La Liga side Granada after training with Udinese in the Italian Serie A and trialing for Dutch club Vitesse" is missing the mark - those clubs' first teams play in those divisions, but he was on Granada's under-19 side. The sources provided in the edit summary are interviews from 2017, when he was a youth player. In my local newspaper I could find interviews with teenagers on the same topic, but that doesn't mean they're notable players. There's a genre of interest in certain youth team stars who never made it - such as Sonny Pike - but I don't think being passed over by Granada matches that level. Unknown Temptation (talk) 16:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - @Das osmnezz mentioned some sources when deproded. Svartner (talk) 17:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The sources mentioned are [1], [2] and [3]. It would be helpful if they had been kept in the nomination statement, rather than replaced with [sources], so they can be evaluated by participants. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The sources I cited have secondary coverage... on top of that he has made pro appearances and was considered a top Chinese goalkeeping prospect who played abroad. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the sources, don't these fall under WP:YOUNGATH? They are pretty old though, so perhaps there is newer coverage that resolves this? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sourcing is not sufficient for YOUNGATH and is not SUSTAINED, failing GNG. JoelleJay (talk) 17:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Just to clear things up, I was going to give Das osmnezz some time to add the sources to the article before taking it to Afd - I'm going to vote based on what happens to the article. I appreciate Unknown Temptation for starting the afd, don't want to sound like I'm annoyed about it xD - as in it's current state, it doesn't have enough sources. If Das can update the article and add the Chinese sources they know about, I'll vote. I'll keep an eye on this. RossEvans19 (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Someone needs to explain the new sources as SIGCOV. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - @GiantSnowman:, @Svartner:, @RossEvans19:, Sources include:

- [4] ("If it weren't for his 189cm height, Wang Zixiang, who has been busy following his parents and staff, would be easily ignored as a "runner". Unlike many choleric football teenagers, he was taken to the Workers' Stadium by his father to cheer for Guoan at the age of 4... Wang Zixiang's love for football came from his father. His father, Wang Aijun, was a die-hard and loyal football fan whose childhood dream was to become a professional player. Although he did not achieve his dream due to some unforeseen circumstances, Wang Aijun immediately placed his hopes on his son - watching Guoan at the Workers' Stadium was the first time Wang Zixiang came into contact with football. When Wang Zixiang was 5 years old, his father sent him to Balizhuang Central Primary School in Chaoyang District to play football. Former Guoan player Shao Jiayi started his football career here. Because the school was a boarding school, the young son could not adapt to the pain of not seeing his parents. Especially when he left home for the first time to go to school, Wang Zixiang kept hugging his parents' legs and cried and refused to let go. Fortunately, this period of time, which he described as "very unhappy", "always crying and making a fuss", and "unable to sleep", did not last too long. Two years later, Wang Zixiang joined the Beijing Cross-Country Football Club, and it was here that his football career underwent the first major change. In September 2008, before a game of the team, due to the absence of the goalkeeper for some reason, the tall Wang Zixiang was temporarily appointed as the goalkeeper by Coach Zhao... After training in the cross-country club, Wang Zixiang went to Shanghai to join the Lucky Star Club in September 2010. There, he got the opportunity to be selected for the Chinese youth team with his good performance. After that, Wang Zixiang also briefly trained and played with Shanghai Shenhua and Beijing Guoan. Although he just turned 18 a month ago, this Beijing boy has a very rich youth training resume. Last November, Wang Zixiang was accepted as a closed disciple by Beijing football legend Li Songhai. In the latter's opinion... At present, in the 1997 and 1998 age group where Wang Zixiang is, the one who can be called the number one goalkeeper in China should be the young player Zhang Yan who has just been transferred to the Beijing Guoan first team. In many competitions that the national youth team participated in last year, he played for the country as the main goalkeeper. Wang Zixiang is no stranger to Zhang Yan. The two had trained and played together in the Guoan echelon a few months ago. Unlike Wang Zixiang who spent his life in Beijing and Shanghai, Zhang Yan's youth training career represents the growth experience of most young players in China. They graduated from key football schools and then entered the professional club echelon, waiting for the opportunity to become a professional player. However, due to the incomplete youth training system in many cities in China and even in the country as a whole, not to mention substitutes, even the main players can hardly compete with amateur teenagers in Japan and South Korea. Therefore, in order to improve their competition experience, young people like Wang Zixiang have to change teams frequently - in order to have a stable competition position, they even have to come to a strange city to fight. Many years ago, Wang Aijun sent Wang Zixiang to Shanghai to play football because he didn't want his son to only serve as a substitute for Zhang Yan... this young man who idolizes Zeng Cheng and Buffon")

- [5] ("Wang Zixiang, a Beijing native born in 1998. He was selected for the 1998 national youth team and played in the 2014 Asian Youth Championship. Wang Zixiang has been seeking to study abroad. At the end of 2015, he went to the Dutch Eredivisie for a trial. In March 2016, he trained with the Udinese first team for nearly three months. On August 8, 2016, he joined Granada. Although he is a U19 player, he is currently training with the B team")

- [6] ("Who is Wang Zixiang?... He once played for Shanghai Lucky Star Football Club and was a substitute goalkeeper in the 97/98 age group. He first learned football in a well-known cross-country football club in Beijing. Because of his tall stature, he temporarily played as a goalkeeper, and then played goalkeeper until he entered the football echelon. With the help of the cooperation between desports and the Italian Pozzo family, Wang Zixiang got the opportunity to play football in Italy. Wang Zixiang will first receive top European goalkeeper technical training in Udinese in Serie A, and then he will have the opportunity to join La Liga and the Premier League depending on the actual situation. He will become the second Chinese goalkeeper to experience the atmosphere of Serie A football after the current national goalkeeper Wang Dalei")

- [7]

- among many more Chinese and Spanish sources. Again, on top of that he has made fully pro league appearances and was clearly considered a top Chinese goalkeeping prospect who played abroad. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 06:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please improve the article by adding sources and accomoanying prose, and ping me, and I'll re-visit per WP:HEY. Giant Snowman 07:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - The sources above are covered by WP:YOUNGATH. Sources that tell us about a young hopeful who is off to play European football do not speak to the notability of a football player. We would need more sources over an extended period. These sources are from 8 or 9 years ago. If the young hopeful became a notable footballer, there would be more coverage of this. What happened after he got to Europe? Why do we have no coverage of that? 18 year old Chinese hopeful travels to Europe is not an encyclopaedic article, it's a human interest story for the Chinese market. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:42, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kevon Harris (footballer)

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Played for USL Pro and USL Second Division clubs and have a single match for Jamaica national team, but lacks of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 14:08, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Found this as well as mentions from the 2001 Youth World Cup. Geschichte (talk) 08:43, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Corey Whisenhunt

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Played for USL League Two and USL Pro clubs, but lacks of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toric Robinson

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Played for USL League Two and USL Pro clubs, but lacks of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 13:46, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ayumu Matsumoto

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Only appearances fo J-League 3, and a total lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 12:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I couldn't find anything. RossEvans19 (talk) 19:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia is poorly-sourced. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 04:18, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fin Roberts

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Declined PROD. Article with several basic information missing, based on two database sources. I couldn't find anything about him after a WP:BEFORE. Svartner (talk) 12:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft? Little bits on the web, Did you see those in your WP:BEFORE? BBC Line-up, BBC gets a mention. Mostly primary sources and databases online atm. Govvy (talk) 20:12, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Han Chang-joo

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Declined PROD. Only three professional appearances in J–League 2 [8] and a total lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 12:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. 3 appearances confirmed, subtract 3 from that and you have his notability. Geschichte (talk) 08:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. Article does not meet WP:SPORTBASIC. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 16:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Corresponding article on Korean Wikipedia is just an unsourced stub. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 04:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liam Borchers

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Not really clear to me how notable: sources include a few local news sites about his books, but the books themselves don't seem to be notable; orphan article and may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, so page does not really contribute to the wiki in any meaningful way while possibly contravening its terms of use Toffeenix (talk) 05:12, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Ruscoe

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Person is of no significance LoveAlbatross37 (talk) 09:08, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, doesn't meet WP:NBASIC or WP:GNG as a lot of the sources are quite trivial or not significantly in depth of Ruscoe himself but rather the teams he was connected too, especially the non-local sources. Dank Jae 19:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a CV masquerading as an encyclopedia article. SportingFlyer T·C 15:34, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FC United of Wrexham

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Club are of no significance and have never played at a level of notoriety. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoveAlbatross37 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't trust the nominator, I believe they maybe a WP:SOCK. Govvy (talk) 08:42, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Owen Lunt

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Not a G4, but neither have the issues raised at either of the prior AfDs been addressed. I've also done some paperwork, but am not positive of the results. Star Mississippi 02:11, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep In one season he went on loan, came back and then went on to make a total of 19 professional appearance for Crewe. With the fact he signed a new contract, I'm under the impression he is becoming more notable. Regardless of the WP:PRIMARY sources present, there are a few secondary and if he has a good coming season then that helps even more. It's a weak keep for me, but I feel it's a fair assessment on his notability and where his career is. Govvy (talk) 08:09, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which sources there are secondary? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC ones obviously! :/ Govvy (talk) 14:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Okay, I see two BBC sources:
Rotherham United 2 - 1 Crewe Alexandra - Clearly a match report which is equally clearly a primary source.

Crewe midfielder Lunt signs new one-year contract - 81 words specifically about the page subject before moving onto other things. We learn he is Kenny Lunt's nephew, and he signed a contract. It's not SIGCOV in my view, but even if it is, this is still reporting the signing of a contract. That is still a primary source as there is no synthesis of sources here. It will have come off the back of a club announcement, and is not independent of that.

So, sorry, I don't agree we have secondary sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:24, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
BBC are a secondary sources and are not classed as primary sources. Primary is close too, BBC are not close to the club or the player. However what you say is correct in view of individual sources. Again, you fail to understand the rules of GNG, when one source isn't enough you can combine multiple sources. Also again, I said my vote is a weak keep as he is an active player where as more sources can be added as he progresses through his career. Govvy (talk) 18:18, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
??? 1. Of course BBC can be a primary source, such as for match reports or other breaking news. 2. Primariness has nothing whatsoever to do with "closeness to the club", you seem to be confusing that with independence. 3. GNG says nothing about combining non-SIGCOV sources, that's something only found in BASIC. JoelleJay (talk) 18:58, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A BBC match report is not a primary source. However, more importantly, it is also not SIGCOV. Giant Snowman 20:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's moot, but... if someone watches a match and writes a report of the match, how is that not a primary eyewitness account of the match? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:53, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A 'primary source' refers to "accounts written by people who are directly involved" (i.e. in soccer we usually class that as the player's club or similar) - not an independent journalist writing a report. Giant Snowman 18:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, well I see where you are coming from, but that's not really a sufficient summary of WP:PRIMARY. The closest we come to that is in note d, but note d doesn't just say participants. For instance, it also says, A primary source is a first-hand account of an event. Eyewitness accounts are always primary for the event they describe. To be secondary, sources must be synthesising primary sources. The word "secondary" refers to this fact that secondary sources are synthesised from the analysis of primary sources. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment with Govvy's input already here, I'm not going to G5 it, but dropping Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/EnglishDude98 if helpful to others. Star Mississippi 12:48, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per discussion above, I don't see any secondary sources in this article. Match reporting is all primary, as are result tables. Interviews are not independent and primary per WP:IV. News reporting is primary without any secondary synthesis per WP:PRIMARY (note d) and see WP:PRIMARYNEWS. We need multiple independent reliable secondary sources with significant coverage. We don't have any. And WP:SPORTCRIT imposes an absolute minimum requirement that we must have one. Created by a block evading user, there is no reason to keep this. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:29, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Number of professional appearances in 2025 should merit coverage if notable - and note that this was likely created by a sock. Giant Snowman 18:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed as being created by a sock and therefore eligible for speedy deletion. Giant Snowman 20:34, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question GiantSnowman Not doing a WP:BEFORE today? How much do you want on the snip bits? [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14], [15], [16]. Plus the stuff on the article already. Btw, there are interviews by the clubs, but those are primary, I could add about another 50 citations for him on match reports and comments about him. It goes on really, I honestly don't understand why people are so adamant about deleting a footballer who has multiple independent sources of a paragraph here and there, a sentence here and there. It's as if no one gives a shit about WP:BASIC anymore. That's what, 10 minutes, 15 minutes of looking! I wonder what someone will find with a few hours to burn. Anyway I am going to go make some dinner now! Govvy (talk) 18:39, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did a Google search - nothing you have linked to is anywhere near SIGCOV. Giant Snowman 20:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. None of the identified sources provide the required IRS SIGCOV. Primary match reports, routine transactional announcements, interviews etc. do not count. JoelleJay (talk) 19:02, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Young footballer who never played at higher levels. The secondary sources provided are transfer announcements and brief mentions in match reports. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 05:20, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete though I do think we are very close to notability here - just need one more article on him. SportingFlyer T·C 15:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tsubasa Kubo

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Previously deleted via PROD. 3 professional appearances. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk)
Delete per nom. 🟥⭐ ^{talk to me!} 14:42, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:18, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Travis Cantrell

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I look upon this as a obvious failure of WP:SPORTCRIT, being that he only played competitive soccer in the fifth tier in Sweden and third tier in Finland. One can discuss whether The Daily Pennsylvanian contributes to GNG, but in my opinion, the article fails GNG overall. Geschichte (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:17, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Farid Alfa-Ruprecht

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Doesn't appear to have played in a competitive fixture for a fully professional team yet. Uhooep (talk) 14:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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*Draftify Could become notable in the future. RossEvans19 (talk) 15:47, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Doesn't appear to have played in a competitive fixture for a fully professional team yet. That is not a valid rationale for deletion. What did your WP:BEFORE give? I found two articles, one from Sport1 (Germany), one from Manchester Evening News, which look like WP:SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draft I personally feel these articles should be in draft space. This is the problem when you removed the NFooty policy. Govvy (talk) 21:19, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - @Govvy:, @RossEvans19:, @Robby.is.on:, Has sources like [17], [18], and [19] among many more English and German sources. Young player with ongoing career at one of England's biggest teams and is Germany youth international with sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 12:29, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep – Per Das osmnezz sources. Svartner (talk) 13:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:17, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Changing my vote to keep per sources found. RossEvans19 (talk) 19:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FK Vysoké Tatry – Starý Smokovec

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Amateur football team which played a single season in the amateur third level of Slovak football, and other seasons even lower. All sources in the Czech version of the page are databases, no significant coverage uncovered during WP:BEFORE. C 679 12:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 17:32, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Starý Smokovec and add what little relevant information is in the article there. Newklear007 (talk) 09:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Herring

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Fails GNG. None of the sources in the article provide sigcov and an (albeit quick) Google search brings up nothing of note. Zênite (talk) 18:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unable to find any coverage through either newspapers.com or google, and as such the subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT. The only sources currently in the article are either match results or are primary to the school Herring played for in college. Let'srun (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Konner Kendall

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Fails GNG, only one source that provides adequate sigcov. Zênite (talk) 18:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 18:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: In addition to the one piece of WP:SIGCOV already in the article, I also found [[20]] but it just a interview. Let'srun (talk) 19:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samson Kpenosen

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Nigerian player who has only played for minor Vietnamese football teams. Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:15, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I don't think they're minor. Do you really think so? They were top league clubs, and he was also among the top scorers of 2015. Geschichte (talk) 09:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had seen that they were teams from the lower divisions. Still, there is a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 13:34, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Arguments about level of play largely irrelevant. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reginaldo Estevao

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I only found one spell of this player in SE Matonense, in the third level of the Campeonato Paulista (Série A3). Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Failed to find any mentions of this player on Brazilians newspapers. Fails WP:NSPORT. Coeusin (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 22:11, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:15, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yukihide Gibo

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6 professional appearances before retiring in 2024. All sources on Japanese wikipedia are press release, apart from one that I couldn't open. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 11:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:53, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 20:15, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Satoru Makino

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8 professional league appearances. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 00:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. 🟥⭐ ^{talk to me!} 03:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – All references provided on Japanese Wikipedia are press release. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 06:35, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:41, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Ramos

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Article is fleshed out with weak sources such as Twitter and the websites/social media accounts of the clubs he played for. I had a quick look but could not find extensive, significant coverage of Ramos. AfD rather than G7 just in case others can find articles. Zênite (talk) 15:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The player has significant coverage, considering he is an athlete from the US Virgin Island. Svartner (talk) 16:21, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which of the sources within the article count towards significant coverage? Half of them are Facebook links and there is nothing that talks specifically about him. A Google search brought up very little, too. Certainly not enough to cover GNG. Zênite (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – I have just added three more sources of significant coverage which also include the information from the social media sources. I will continue to add, but those sources alone, I feel, are enough to prove GN.--Gri3720 (talk) 14:36, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Source assessment below:

[21] - I got a '500 internal server error', but it looks like a news article about the league, which likely included Ramos' signing.

[22] - This is a (potentially self-completed) list of statistics and basic information.

[23] - One paragraph covers Ramos.

[24] - Statistics.

[25] - Facebook.

[26] - Facebook.

[27] - VERY brief match report which notes that Ramos scored.

[28] - Facebook.

[29] - Match stats.

[30] - Match stats.

[31] - Match stats.

[32] - Club stats.

[33] - List of players who played for the college who went on to sign pro contracts. Ramos is mentioned. One line.

[34] - YouTube.

[35] - Facebook.

[36] - Facebook.

[37] - Non-independent source, though it does give a fair amount of coverage, it cannot count towards GNG.

[38] - Facebook.

[39] - Facebook.

[40] - Notification of Ramos winning an award. Not sigcov.

[41] - Not sure it would be in-depth enough to constitute sigcov, but it's another non-independent source, as he was alumni at this university, and cannot count towards GNG.

[42] - I would say this is sigcov.

[43] - Non-independent source.

[44] - Not actually available in my region, but seems to be a run-of-the-mill match report, which likely includes a reference of Ramos.

[45] - Notification of transfer. Not even an individual one.

[46] - Non-independent and not sigcov.

[47] - This appears to be a blog, but would be sigcov (IMO) if it is allowed.

[48] - Statistics.

[49] - 404, but it looks like a squad announcement. Not sigcov.

[50] - Match stats.

[51] - This article is about his brother, Dylan, and makes no reference to him.

Overall, we have one, potentially two, of the thirty-one sources which are significant coverage. Zênite (talk) 18:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per sources and analysis above which show notability. Giant Snowman 18:40, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I said before, it is natural that for an athlete from the US Virgin Island the most substantial part of the coverage is through social media. I think it is valid WP:COMMONSENSE. Svartner (talk) 18:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I would like to agree with this, the problem we then face is that the social media coverage comes from non-independent sources. Of the social media links in the article, 5 is the academy he was playing for announcing a touring squad, 6 is the club he was playing for at the time announcing that he was moving to a new club, 8 again is the academy stating that a number of their players were looking for contracts in Europe, 14 is a YouTube video that provides little information, and is just clips of him playing, 15 was deleted or the account went private, but regardless, it was still non-independent as it was the page of the club he played for. 16 is the same club announcing that he would return for the 2020 season, 18 is a university announcing that they had recruited Ramos, and 19 is his club at the time announcing the news that the university had recruited him.

While I would support contributions to sigcov coming from social media (i.e. YouTube interviews/news segments, Facebook interviews/in-depth coverage), I do not think this applies here. Zênite (talk) 19:00, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment-I make this comment and ask this question every time someone nominates an article like this one for deletion. What motivates someone to want people to have less access to information? I understand Wikipedia has guidelines but what motivate someone to take the time and effort to defend the removal of access to information. I understand if someone made one friendly appearance for Saint Martin and the only reference is the NFT profile, but there is so much information available here. He’s playing in a fully professional league, captain of his national team, will likely become their most capped player. Again I ask, why try so hard to wipe someone from Wikipedia existence?--Gri3720 (talk) 20:35, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the better question here is "Why do the US Virgin Islands, or at least sports journalists from the nation, not care about their football team's captain enough to even write basic news articles about him?" From my experience, journalism on football players in the US and it's territories has always been awful, as it's a nation which only loves and appreciates those who are successful. While, in other countries, there is generally at least one good article written about a mundane third/fourth division footballer, in the US it seems they just do not care. It's not even a population issue either, as I have found multiple articles on Chinese players who have done nothing of note in their careers. Zênite (talk) 09:38, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I am not that impressed with Zênite's assessment, however it gives a little indication on sources. A X for the PDF scan of a small town newspaper called Highland News-Sun seems notable enough. I'd say the article squeaks by enough with those sources considering the issues of WP:PRIMARY. Govvy (talk) 08:59, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are two Highland News-Sun articles cited on this Wiki page. The first contains the following information about Ramos:

Joshua Ramos, senior, Sebring - Ramos showed great vision and was the team-leader in goals scored for the Blue Streaks. “Joshua controlled the field very well and had incredible vision,” coach Peters said. “He led the team in goals with 14 for the season and in assists at 15. He was a natural leader and it showed off and on the field and his presence will be missed.”

The second contains the following information about Ramos:

and with my other brother playing soccer it was kind of a mandatory thing for me to play because my whole family plays.

This would be due to the second article being about his brother, Dylan. We don't even know for certain that this quote is even about Joshua, as Dylan precedes this by talking about another brother who is a goalkeeper.

I feel like I'm losing my mind here. These are not nearly enough for sigcov. Even if we ignore the fact that most of the references are primary, the sources in this article are brief. If the Facebook articles went into great depth about Ramos and his life, fair enough, but they simply do not. Zênite (talk) 09:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per all the above. Zênite, please have some WP:COMMONSENSE. Luis7M (talk) 18:20, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I genuinely have no idea what is going on here. After all the articles I have created for internationals from Caribbean and South Pacific islands which were deleted and now it's WP:COMMONSENSE that this article stays up? Could we at least try to stay consistent here? Ramos does not meet the standards for GNG, as only two of the articles (one which is a blog) meet sigcov. I will go over another source analysis below with every single mention of Ramos included, because this really is quite ridiculous. Zênite (talk) 19:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Zênite: Yes, many of your South Pacific internationals were deleted, but try to focus on the positives. You still have +4,900 articles in the mainspace, which is much more than me, who "only" has +1,400 articles, although I have a 0% deletion ratio. Luis7M (talk) 20:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I created this article and I nominated it for deletion. I was going through my own page and clearing up non-notable articles, country-by-country. I'm not sure the point you're making here. Zênite (talk) 20:11, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, I don't think I have ever seen someone trying so hard to delete his own hard work before... Luis7M (talk) 20:15, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

what? You did not create this page, @Zênite. I did.Gri3720 (talk) 02:01, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Gri3720: In practice, yes, but officially, no. Luis7M (talk) 02:29, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve maintained it for so long that I thought i had created it. Haha that’s my mistake.Gri3720 (talk) 03:48, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Source analysis as follows:

[52] - A dead link that has not been archived.

[53] - Again, these are stats, similar to a Transfermarkt page.

[54] - As above, this is the following "coverage" of Ramos in the article: Joshua Ramos, senior, Sebring - Ramos showed great vision and was the team-leader in goals scored for the Blue Streaks. “Joshua controlled the field very well and had incredible vision,” coach Peters said. “He led the team in goals with 14 for the season and in assists at 15. He was a natural leader and it showed off and on the field and his presence will be missed.”.

[55] - This is a statistics page. It displays statistics. There is no other information here.

[56] - A Facebook post by the academy he was playing for. It reads as follows: ¡ESTABLECE TUS METAS ALTAS, Y NO PARES HASTA QUE NO LLEGUES ALLÍ! ICSTsoccer Select Team Sub 19 gira internacional. Listo para viajar a Madrid España donde tendremos amistosos con Getafe, Real Valladolid, equipo de primera y equipo de segunda división. Entrenamientos personalizados con Getafe y Atlético Madrid, scouts de España y Portugal. JUGADORES: Juan S. Puerto, Juan E. González, Juan P. Vargas, Dylan Ramos, Joshua Ramos, Julio Tello, Miguel Tobón, Alejandro Moreno, Andrew López, David Herazo, Daniel Serna, Juan P. Bernal. TU TAMBIEN PUEDE SER PROFESIONAL CONTACTANOS: WhatsApp 57 314 337 0172 INTERNATIONAL COLOMBIAN SPORTING TOURS www.icstours.net / [email protected] #‎LlevandoelDeporteLatinoamericanoaotroNivel‬‬ 807 3039 - 314 337 0172 Bogotá, USA 401-314-6094.

Surprisingly, this mention of Ramos as part of a travelling squad does not actually constitute significant coverage. It's simply his name.

[57] - Another Facebook post by the youth team he was playing for, it reads as follows: Congratulations and safe travels to U19 Boys Gold players Joshua Ramos and Raymar Thomas on continuing their careers by playing professionally for Albatroz Sport Club. Albatroz is a member of the 2nd league in the Latvian Football Federation. Again, shockingly, a brief mention of the player in a transfer announcement does not constitute significant coverage.

[58] - 5. jūnijā Olainē notika Latvijas 2.līgas futbola čempionāta 2019 spēle rietumu zonā pret FK Aliance komandu. Ielaidām vārtus spēles sākumā, tomēr Raitis Haralds Butlers 23. minūtē salīdzināja rezultātu, bet pretinieks atbildēja ar vēl vienu vārtu guvumu jau pēc divām minūtēm. Tālāk mūsu puiši pārņēma iniciatīvu un guva vēl divus vārtus, tos realizēja Agris Glaudāns un Joshua Mitchell Ramos. Spēles rezultāts ir 3:2 mūsu komandas labā un pirmā vieta tabulā. Malači puiši, tā turpināt! Spēles VIDEO apskatu var atrast šeit.. That's it. That's the entirety of text on the page. It is not sigcov.

[59] - Another Facebook post by the academy he was playing for. It reads as follows: ICSTsoccer INTERNATIONAL PROGRAMS #SOCCER #EUROPE ONE STEP MORE CLOSE TO YOUR DREAMS!!! INTERNATIONAL EUROPEAN TOURS GOOD LUCK TO OUR PLAYERS WHO ARE NOW IN EUROPE LOOKING TO GET A PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT, THEY ARE IN OUR 2,5 MONTHS PROGRAM. He isn't even mentioned directly in this one, his photo is just on the post.

[60] - Match statistics are not sigcov.

[61] - Match statistics are not sigcov.

[62] - Match statistics are not sigcov.

[63] - Club statistics are not sigcov.

[64] - Again, this is a list of players who played for the college who went on to sign pro contracts. Ramos is mentioned. One line. Not sigcov.

[65] - This is a promotional YouTube video for goodness sake! It's footage of him playing!!! If this was enough for sigcov then every single amateur footballer with a VEO would have an article.

[66] - A now-deleted Facebook post.

[67] - A Facebook post by the club he was playing for, announcing that he had re-signed for the season. As follows: Happydays! Welcome back @joshuaramos3 for the spring season. TRIALS 3/3 & 3/6 ->LINK IN BIO.

[68] - It's a primary source. I have been told time and time again that primary sources cannot solely be used to build an article. It's in-depth, yes, but it is written by the club he played for at the time.

[69] - Facebook post by the college he had committed to. As follows: 🚨Singing🚨 Josh Ramos is the latest addition to our Mens roster. We look forward to to getting to work 😤😤.

[70] - Facebook post by his club, informing fans that he was going to college. As follows: Congratulations to Josh Ramos for committing to Dalton State College in Georgia! We thank you for your commitment to us and wish you success on this new journey. 🔵⚪ #GoSwans.

[71] - Freshman of the Year: Josh Ramos, Dalton State (Ga.). Ramos is part of that defense for the Roadrunners and also chipped in 16 points (6 goals and 4 assists), while Seixas also has six goals and four assists Two lines. Then his name listed twice under other awards. Not sigcov.

[72] - It's a notification of him signing for a club out of college. It is written by said college. Even if it weren't primary, we are told over and over that transfer announcements are not sigcov. Because obviously they aren't.

[73] - I'm sure that this article contained more information last time I opened it, having trouble with the AdBlock pop-up. As it stands I can only see this much info: U.S. Virgin Islands men’s national soccer team midfielder and captain Joshua Ramos has signed to play with South Georgia Tormenta FC of the third-level United Soccer League’s League 1 for the 2024 season. Officials with the Statesboro, Ga.-based club announced the signing of the 23-year-old Ramos on Tuesday. The one-year contract has a club option for 2025. If this is all that the article contains, then this is not enough for sigcov.

[74] - Transfer announcement. Primary source. WP:COMMONSENSE?

[75] - Still region-locked. But hey, this may contain a full, in-depth account of Ramos' entire life up until now!

[76] - The Chattanooga Red Wolves of the USL League One signed six more players Tuesday for the 2025 campaign. Joining the squad for the upcoming season include Matt Bentley, Eric Kinzner, Jason Smith, Greyson Mercer, Josh Ramos and Wynand Wessels. Bentley (Missouri State University), Kinzner (St. Louis City 2), Smith (Syracuse), Mercer (Western Michigan University), Ramon (South Georgia Tormenta FC) and Wessels (Tennessee Wesleyan University) are coming off fine college seasons or competing elsewhere within the USL League One or other clubs in different soccer leagues in the U.S. Mercer also previously played for Michigan State University before competing for Western Michigan this past fall. All signings are pending league and federation approval. Chattanooga is coming off a rebuilding campaign in 2024 where the franchise finished 5-14-3 overall and were outscored 48-28 during the regular season (minus-20)..

[77] - Primary source as he played in that league, also is just information on him being named player of the week. Again, if this counts for sigcov, then could a player in the English tenth division get an article because he was named player of the week?

[78] - Again, this is a great source, but it's a substack page. If I'm not mistaken, it's no different from a WordPress article. I'm sure these types of websites are simply blogs. Please can someone let me know if these count towards sigcov because hell, I've seen a ton of terrible WordPress blog pages.

[79] - Statistics are not sigcov.

[80] - Even the furthest back web archive account of this website is a 404 page.

[81] - Match statistics are not sigcov.

[82] - This article is about his brother, Dylan, and makes no direct reference to him.

I hope this source analysis is more "impressive"... Am I going insane here? Why is this article different from so many others that have been deleted? There are thirty one sources on this page and one or two of them potentially meet the standards for significant coverage. Zênite (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is exactly what I'm referring to. I can't imagine putting in so much effort and "going insane" to eliminate access to information.Gri3720 (talk) 00:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. You should be appreciative that @Gri3720: expanded your page to such an extent that it became keepable despite having weak sigcov. Perhaps if you had followed Gri's example with your creations on South Pacific/Caribbean internationals, they wouldn't have been deleted either. Luis7M (talk) 01:37, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I'm "going insane" (very clearly an exaggeration, btw) is because I have been doing this for quite some time and the standards for articles and their creation has changed drastically in that time. I am trying to keep up, and thought I had a good understanding until I saw the votes in this AfD. It used to be that WP:FOOTY was enough for a lot of editors to justify retaining a poorly-written article; so long as the player had appeared in a fully-professional league or had played for their national team. This was (rightly) changed, but the reason I have so many deleted articles is because I used to argue in favour for having professional appearances as a justification for someone having a Wikipedia article.

I used to think the same way you do, and while the articles I had created were certainly less complete, they still count for just as much as the fleshed out articles you have created. An blank article with five sources is more significant than an article with a 20,000 letter-count and thirty sources, if those five sources carry more weight in terms of significant coverage. It's not about the contents of the article, it's about whether they are considered notable by Wikipedia's standards.

The expectation for creating/keeping a Wikipedia article is that it meets a standard of coverage in media. This is, of course, going to be more difficult in smaller countries with less media outlets. This is a problem with those countries and their media coverage, not with Wikipedia. The people won't die if their articles are deleted, the information (which is mostly just statistics) is still available online, it just doesn't meet the high standards that Wikipedia sets out. Zênite (talk) 11:59, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Most of the sources in the article are unusable for determining whether GNG has been passed. The others don't contain SIGCOV either. Dougal18 (talk) 08:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Tadić (footballer)

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Footballer who only played in lower levels of Serbia. The secondary sources provided do not show in-depth coverage of him. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 15:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Kazakhstan President Cup (football)

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Articles from editions of a U17 competition almost all without any references or just with one source (from the own Kazakhstan Football Federation). Fails in WP:V and WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 13:58, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments - maybe delete. Kazakhstan President Cup (football) the primary article could be greatly improved I can see the problem with the set, def has GNG issues. Unless someone greatly improves them I have nothing against deletion of the lot. Govvy (talk) 20:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete All per nomination. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 06:36, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all no need to merge to parent article, as winners are already listed here. None of these specific tournament articles meet WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:18, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Kazakhstan President Cup (football) as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:39, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all and redirect to Kazakhstan President Cup (football) per the above.

Surayeproject3 (talk) 14:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Suspicious of Western Bias here. A football tournament with 20,000 people attending the final would certainly be notable in the UK or any western European nation, so why the rush to delete. Suggest this is kept and added to a relevant project page (is there one for Kazakhstan?) for people to add more sources.Gumlau (talk) 16:58, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I assure you that there is no bias. Youth competitions editions are rarely notable, and in this case, the lack of coverage by third-party sources is evident. Svartner (talk) 18:27, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A football tournament with 20,000 people attending the final would certainly be notable in the UK or any western European nation- this isn't correct, regardless of the country, they would need to pass WP:GNG. Are there any sources for these tournament articles that meets WP:SIGCOV- foreign language sources would be fine for this, as I don't see any in English? Joseph2302 (talk) 12:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James Gow (sporting director)

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I really don't know how this passes WP:GNG or WP:SIGCOV. I see nothing exceptional or notable about this person. Govvy (talk) 13:19, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per WP:COOKIE, just a football director who did his job like everyone else, without anything that deserves encyclopedic content. Svartner (talk) 16:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Zubková

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Coverage seems to be limited to match reports or squad announcements. Couldn't find multiple independent sources discussing this individual in detail. C 679 10:11, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Ukrainian uk:Марія Зубкова and German wiki de:Mária Zubková have more listed, listing her domestic clubs and recording nine international caps with one goal. That to me suggests there maybe a lot more to add to the English version of her article. How much WP:BEFORE have you done? Govvy (talk) 10:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Found a national team goal from 2008 or 2009 through sme.sk, but very limited as a source. The other mentions were part of squad announcements which were limited to name (sometimes surname only) and current club, as 16-20 players were covered per announcement. Beyond that I only see what may be false positives about doctors, business networking, and other non-related industries. C 679 10:39, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Ćopić

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Unable to find reliable sources to indicate notability Nixleovel (talk) 08:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep – Per sources in sr.wiki. Svartner (talk) 16:25, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  The sources provided on Serbian Wikipedia are mostly primary (e.g. Football Association of Serbia) and passing mentions in secondary ones (1 and 2; archived). ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 06:35, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  The first secondary source is also non-independent as a governing sports org. JoelleJay (talk) 17:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. What sources at sr.wiki are SIGCOV? If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG, and the corresponding wikis don't provide what is needed either. Let'srun (talk) 19:44, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Zero evidence of the requisite IRS SIGCOV. Serbian sources are either non-independent or a namedrop. JoelleJay (talk) 17:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kaladan Park

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Non notable stadium that doesn't even have an InfoBox. I am thinking the best option is to Redirect/Merge to/with Tamale, Ghana #Sports where pretty much all information about the stadium is mentioned in the section (And we can add the capacity to the section) per WP:Cheap. Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:45, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge - Redirect to Tamale, Ghana Per nom. Govvy (talk) 10:04, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Tamale, Ghana – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 13:38, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect/Merge to Tamale, Ghana, where info about the stadium can be added. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:07, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge selectively as suggested. Bearian (talk) 13:15, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Paris Saint-Germain FC (women) presidents

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I see this as an unnecessary WP:CONTENTFORK. Paris Saint-Germain FC (women) is not that big an article and can easily encompass the information in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 17:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with List of Paris Saint-Germain FC presidents – Fits well as a section of the main article of presidents. Svartner (talk) 18:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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I agree with Govvy. I think Paris Saint-Germain FC (women) could encompass List of Paris Saint-Germain FC (women) managers as well. Don't agree with Svartner, though, since PSG women's and men's teams have had different presidents at times. DroopyDoggy (talk) 07:48, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Paris Saint-Germain FC (women), agree with Govvy, send back to parent article. Giant Snowman 18:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kazuki Egashira

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Despite having 39 professional appearances, sources on the Japanese Wikipedia are routine. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 17:07, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nomination. Not only the coverage is minor but the article would remain stub at this stage. Koshuri ^(グ) 14:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:02, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Insignificant coverage of the above topic. desmay (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryuji Okada

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Previously deleted by prod. 1 cup appearance before retiring. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 16:23, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, an utter failure of every guideline under the sun. Geschichte (talk) 19:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per the above. Surayeproject3 (talk) 03:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:02, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hussain Kankouni

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Nowhere near notable, don't see the potential in draftification. Geschichte (talk) 06:56, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 09:02, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Poorly-sourced article that only provides social media and primary sources. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now mentioned references aren't reliable and not having significant coverage to justify its notability. Fade258 (talk) 11:31, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Houston Oldham

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT because of a lack of significant coverage. Let'srun (talk) 03:25, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:02, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No WP:SIGCOV to fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:02, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails everything, my non-league career looks good next to that! :/ Govvy (talk) 15:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sandor Bustamante

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 03:21, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:03, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Fojo

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He was the USL Pro champion in 2011, but I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 17:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:26, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: While only part of the article is accessible online, I did find [[83]] which appears to provide some WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 19:04, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - so far lacks of SIGCOV sources from my search, mostly getting hits from generic sports stat pages.Lorraine Crane (talk) 02:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hiroki Morisaki

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26 professional appearances in Singapore, the rest are all in lower Japanese leagues. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 17:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Corresponding article on Japanese Wikipedia only consists of routine announcements. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:25, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. If anyone can find sources to bolster notability, please let me know. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 13:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edílson (footballer, born 1987)

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Only played at the regional level in Brazil [84], also had a spell in Armenia, but lacks of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 17:40, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:25, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above. Entry for the subject was also recently deleted on the Hungarian Wikipedia. [85]

Surayeproject3 (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This does not meet the threshold of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Let me know if anyone is able to find more instances of coverage to bolster notability. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 19:59, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Masato Sasaki (footballer, born 1992)

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32 professional appearances before retiring in 2018. Sources on Japanese Wikipedia are all press releases. Fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 16:12, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:25, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails to satisfy notability criteria per WP:GNG and WP:NATHLETE. ZachH007 (talk) 03:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPORTSCRIT, if someone finds more sources, let me know. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 13:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep , succeeds WP:GNG Jdn2004 (talk) 15:33, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:45, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bennett Sneddon

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Just few appearances for LA Galaxy II and in USL. Fails in WP:GNG Svartner (talk) 14:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Very brief career, fails in GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 18:48, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:25, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable, but this could be a case of WP:TOOSOON given how young he is. That being said, in its current form, it fails WP:GNG. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 20:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable right now, it appears he played mostly for the Galaxy's farm team LA Galaxy II and not the main MLS team. Nayyn (talk) 22:17, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:00, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kyotaro Yamakoshi

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Created and edited by a sock farm. 17 games in the J1 league is some, but needs several pieces of significant independent coverage to meet SPORTCRIT and GNG. Lacks this. Japanese Wikipedia only has primary sources as well as a WP:PASSING mention in Sponichi. Geschichte (talk) 07:03, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Very short career, fails in GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 14:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:24, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG, WP:SIGCOV and WP:SPORTSCRIT. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to List of football clubs in Sweden – S. ✗plicit 14:00, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sillhövda AIK

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I doubt the notability of this club that only played a couple of seasons on the fifth tier in Sweden, otherwise on lower tiers. Only primary sources in the article, and other news would bee hyper-local. Geschichte (talk) 07:43, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of football clubs in Sweden and mention it there. Giant Snowman 10:24, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of football clubs in Sweden – S – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 13:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:01, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kyosuke Narita

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Created and edited by a sock farm. 27 games in the J3 league is some, but needs several pieces of significant independent coverage to meet SPORTCRIT and GNG. Lacks this. Japanese Wikipedia only has primary sources as well as a very WP:PASSING mention in Soccernow. Geschichte (talk) 07:06, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Very short career at a low level, fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 14:14, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:24, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:01, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Giuseppe Barone

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The highest level the subject has played is the third tier of American soccer and he failed to make a single appearance in Serie B. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 05:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Previously ended up being kept for meeting NFOOTBALL, but there are no IR SIGCOV to support the article now. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:23, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Eric Barnes (soccer)

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The subject only played collegiate soccer and had a non-notable collegiate soccer coaching career. WP:GNG Raskuly (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:23, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I found [[86]] and [[87]] which are each feature stories providing significant coverage of the subject. Let'srun (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:07, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon Barnes (soccer)

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Subject's highest level of play was the third tier of American soccer, but he has had a long career. However, I don't believe the subject still meets WP:GNG. Raskuly (talk) 05:40, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:23, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Illinois ODP

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Creator seriously removing speedy deletion tags on article created by themselves, Article generally looks promotional, fails WP:GNG fails to have significant coverage, not properly writings, lacks inline citations. Allblessed (talk) 20:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This program is not a promotional piece or a non-notable subject. It is a state affiliate of U.S. Youth Soccer and has produced multiple players who went on to compete at the professional and international level—including Olympic medalists like Casey Krueger. The article is being actively revised to remove any non-neutral language and to include coverage from independent and reliable sources.

If you feel parts of the article were too close to promotional or lacked sufficient citations, that’s a fair concern—but it’s something that can be improved through editing rather than deletion. Milicz (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ and keep on improving. Nominator is right that the article could be improved, so I have tagged the article accordingly with the issues they have identified (more and better references needed, needs to be revised to be more neutral in tone, likely contains original research). I have also added {{citation needed}} tags throughout, and added a reference and confirmed that there is other significant coverage that could be added (via ProQuest). In any case, the reasons given essentially amount to an argument to delete because cleanup is required, and this is invalid per WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. (Even though the desire for cleanup is appreciated.) Furthermore, there is no mention of any WP:BEFORE search. Strongly advise nominator to gain more experience in reading Wikipedia guidelines and editing in their areas of competence before nominating more articles for deletion. Cielquiparle (talk) 11:25, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What do you see [88] there is likely a possible COI, tho I’m still checking, my issue is why the creator keeps removing tags, moving articles back to mainspace, creator lacks experience and temperament. Also can you show me how that article meets WP:SIGCOV? Allblessed (talk) 14:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
your comment that I “lack experience and temperament” falls afoul of Wikipedia’s civility and personal-attack policies. Per WP:CIVIL (“avoid personal attacks”) and WP:AGF (“assume good faith”), we’re encouraged to critique content, not contributors. I’ve been an editor for over 21 years and remain committed to improving this article. If you have concerns about neutrality, sourcing, or structure, please point to specific passages or sources so we can address them together. Milicz (talk) 18:10, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Milicz Point taken. It is kind of you to defend the nominator and to ask for specific feedback. Cielquiparle (talk) 04:49, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have tried to address tone, and have added citations or removed claims I could not find proper citations for. Added ProQuest citations. Thank you for your suggestions Milicz (talk) 18:07, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify. First of all, it is very clear to me that neither of the tagged criteria for speedy deletion (A7 and G11) apply. A before search, which appears to have not been performed by the nominator, shows there is at least some indication of significance. G11 requires the article to be exclusively promotional and would need to be fundamentally rewritten to serve as encyclopedia articles (emphasis included in policy). Cleanup is required but not to the point that the article is not salvageable. Much of the content is unsourced and the references there are not great. Most are either not independent or are player profiles with one-line mentions of the subject program. Moving to draftspace will allow any interested user to build the article up to encyclopedic standards before moving it back into mainspace. Frank Anchor 13:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - poorly sourced, promotional article written by SPA - they've also written similar topic Illinois Youth Soccer Association. Giant Snowman 10:17, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Suggesting that my article must be self-promotional because “someone involved in ODP” wrote it is an ad hominem circumstantial (genetic) fallacy: it rejects the content based solely on an assumed motive or origin rather than evaluating the article’s actual sourcing and neutrality. I have zero involvement in that organization and am still researching it.

For context, this article emerged directly from the research conducted to answer the community question in Chicago: “Is Illinois ODP still worth it? Does it genuinely help with college recruitment?” You’ll see that the article:

Notes ODP’s changing reputation, including that it has lost some of its earlier luster rather than presenting it as the undisputed pinnacle of development programs.

Cites independent coverage—local newspaper articles, US Youth Soccer annual reports, and academic analyses—rather than relying on press releases or self-published claims.

Maintains a neutral tone, focusing on verifiable facts about the program’s history, selection process, and outcomes.

If there are specific passages you feel remain promotional or poorly sourced, I’m happy to rewrite them or add better citations. I’m committed to meeting WP:NEUTRAL and WP:RS standards, so please let me know any additional reliable sources I should include. Milicz (talk) 15:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect to U.S. Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program. This fails notability for organizations. There is simply not enough significant coverage in reliable sources to warrant an individual article for this org. Citing affiliated clubs is not independent. I mean Reddit is referenced despite our policy on Reddit. Two incidental mentions in the Chicago Tribune and sporadic mentions in the context of high school player plays soccer in regional newspapers does not cut it. --Mpen320 (talk) 17:39, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The citation to Reddit was for the "Criticisms and challenges portion" and is not used to support any of the facts or notability. Milicz (talk) 15:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. Please read WP:RSREDDIT. You should not be using it as a citation at all.--Mpen320 (talk) 00:57, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Articles about things you like are not necessarily good things. --Mpen320 (talk) 17:41, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Who says I like Illinois ODP? Article itself emerged directly from the research conducted to answer the community question in Chicago: “Is Illinois ODP still worth it? Does it genuinely help with college recruitment?” As you can see (if you read it), that's an open question. Milicz (talk) 15:16, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply. I am not accusing anyone of anything. I have started linking to that essay in AfDs because there is a subset of editors who think a Wikipedia article is a badge of honor and spend a lot of time trying to keep articles that should not exist. I could just as easily assume you hated ODP and wanted to create an attack page for this organization or that you are just very, very into youth soccer.--Mpen320 (talk) 00:57, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Striking my earlier !vote. Leaning either draftify or redirect to U.S. Youth Soccer Olympic Development Program; this article absolutely cannot be kept as is. Milicz You can't cite other Wikipedia articles. See WP:CIRCULAR. You need to remove all those citations you've added to other Wikipedia articles (I removed one for you and then stopped) and replace them with other reliable sources (see WP:RS). Cielquiparle (talk) 04:57, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No Wikipedia citations are used to support any of the points, they're only used to link to the individuals or orgs, I will remove them and simply use the appropriate tags [[ ]] Milicz (talk) 15:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK @Milicz...starting to look a bit better. Do you think you could work out a way to explain that Illinois ODP also fields competitive girl's soccer teams in inter-state competitions in the lead paragraph? I think that is not really coming through unless you read further down. (If you only say "program" it sounds like a purely administrative thing which makes people want to delete it.) Cielquiparle (talk) 05:33, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:The Tags on the article are too alarming, check creators contributions, there are high similarities on articles created, now for example the article title is "Illinois ODP" but the first text is "Illinois Girls Olympic Development Program", It seams to have a slight deviation from the article title to be honest. I was to suggest that instead of the creator creating similar pages with different Page names, It would have been wise to just create one or two and provide good source, good writing, formatting skills and make the writing clearer to anyone who comes across the article to understand.

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Actually it's not uncommon at all for the article title to be short (see WP:CONCISE) versus the first bolded reference to the subject to be long (as examples, see Barack Obama or George H. W. Bush). Please also have a read of WP:DELETIONISNOTCLEANUP. You are right to want good sources and good writing, but AfD should not be your first port of call in addressing cleanup issues. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Did you see the contributions of the user? Did you see the consistency in removing CSD tags and moving drafts back to mainspace? Allblessed (talk) 13:58, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @Allblessed it doesn’t help to challenge my removal of the CSD tags when those tags were added without proper justification. Wikipedia’s guidelines need to be applied consistently—both when adding and removing tags. Rules aren’t one-way streets. Rather than creating disputes, which you have done on my article), it would be more productive to collaborate on refining and improving the article itself. Milicz (talk) 15:00, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Milicz There is a proper and well outlined procedure for handling allegedly improper CSD tags, and it isn't removing them yourself. When you create an article, you are connected to it more than any other contributor, whether one likes it or not. We know you support the existence of the article, you created it, and it is a conflict of interest to remove these types of tags from something you created, no matter how repetitive or improper they may seem. When you are closely connected to a subject, as it appears you are (whether you're affiliated with them, whether you are working for them, whether you just really like youth soccer in the Land of Lincoln; I don't care, it's not relevant, what is relevant is the level to which you obviously care about this), it is imperative that you operate above reproach, so as to not even give the impression that you may be acting in a biased manner. You are held to a higher standard of behavior because you created the page. You are inherently unable to view any of this completely objectively, and that goes for any author, who creates any page.

Regarding the actions of other editors, it's important to remember that each situation is evaluated independently. While it can be frustrating if you perceive another editor as not following guidelines, their actions don't justify a similar response. Our focus should always be on adhering to the established procedures for every situation. Further, they did not create a dispute, you created a dispute when you removed a CSD tag from a page you created multiple times. (Almost) any repeated editing back and forth as was clearly done here is a violation of Wikipedia:Edit warring. Wikipedia is a community of editors working to help bring knowledge to the world. The task we have is infinite. We are guardians of and contributors to one of the last stanchions of truly free knowledge, the responsibility is awesome, and it must be treated as such. Foxtrot620 (talk) 02:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Reply @Foxtrot620 I completely agree with you. Two wrongs don't make a right, but no one was harmed here and you can all still delete the article. Milicz (talk) 03:40, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply @Cielquiparle I went ahead and made your suggested change and I think it works better. Now that I’ve reviewed the title, the article should be split into two sections—one for the girls’ program and one for the boys’. I’ll research the boys’ side before drafting that section. Milicz (talk) 14:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Delete: Regardless of any behavior by any editor, this organization simply does not meet the bar of notability or importance. Foxtrot620 (talk) 02:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Regardless of any behavior by any editor, this organization clearly meets the bar of notability and importance. It'd be great if the delete crowd could backup the lack of notability argument. Do you not like women's soccer? Do you not think it's clear this org developed players that went on to represent the USA? Is the fact that those notable players advertise that they were in this program not an indicator that those individuals thought it was notable that they took part in it? It's referenced in plenty of material, but not the material you want? 20+ citations is not enough but other articles with a "need citations" tag can stick around for decades? I'm having trouble with the merits of the delete crowd. Easy call on this one for me. 4025MG (talk) 04:02, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment above !vote is by a confirmed sockpuppetry of Milicz and has been blocked. RedPatch (talk) 13:55, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FC St. Louis

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Redirect to Women's Premier Soccer League as I am unable to find much of any coverage of this team after searches on Google and Newspapers.com, let alone enough to warrant a standalone article. JTtheOG (talk) 06:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Just found a huge article about them on ProQuest, searching for "FC St. Louis" and then "soccer". (Log in to ProQuest via Wikipedia Library first and link should work.) Don't have time right now but looks like there is more. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:35, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. 🟥⭐ ^{talk to me!} 03:37, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eli Lockaby

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Subject lacks the necessary WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT. Let'srun (talk) 17:14, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Christelle Bedran

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Clear fail of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, contested prod. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 21:15, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, sources (such as [89]) are enough to demonstrate notability of the subject. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 21:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lebanese Football Association is a primary website. One source is not enough to demonstrate notability, even if it contains IRS SIGCOV. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FA Lebanon is not the Lebanese Football Association. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 14:07, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:24, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep—Although I recognize that FA Lebanon is not the Lebanese Football Association, and thus I believe the above source is valid, I'm not sure it's enough to bring this article fully into WP:SIGCOV compliance. That said, if we take the policy exactly by its letter, I think this article creeps barely over the line. Anwegmann (talk) 19:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. While the FA Lebanon source seems to be SIGCOV, it's unclear how reliable and independent this source is. Even if it is IRS SIGCOV, GNG requires multiple such sources sustained over time and there's no indication the subject has done anything else that would garner attention since 2020. Keeping the article would mean having a BLP on a private person sourced to one 2020 profile of unclear reliability, which is not acceptable IMO. @Anwegmann JoelleJay (talk) 17:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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