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The Petersens

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1. Current article cannot be brought up to standard. Current article uses almost entirely links to the band's own website to support the included statements. I have spent several hours looking for non-affiliated, reputable sources, and I do not believe there is significant, meaningful sources about this band that can support this article. All third party sources that I can find rely heavily on what appears to be press materials from the band, interviews with members of the band, or do not have meaningful, in-depth coverage (such as an announcement of a concert). Article appears likely to have been mostly written by individuals connected to band.

2. Band does not meet notability threshold. The nearest criteria that I can find to apply is that they have completed international concert tour, BUT I cannot find "non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources" about the tour. The most significant source I can find is linked from the current article:

The Petersens tour the Emerald Isle, Bluegrass Today, February 12, 2019. "Soulful family band The Petersens set for Whangārei, Kerikeri shows". NZ Herald.

but coverage is fairly superficial, and this is the only source of this quality that I am able to find. Driftingdrifting (talk) 15:59, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment there are a few third party sources:
- "The Petersens pluck, pick and play for Thames," NZ newspaper concert review[1]
- "Ellen Peterson, Banjo Idol," profile of band's banjo player in banjo magazine[2]
- "The Petersens wow packed audience at Cache Valley Cowboy Rendezvous", local Utah news site concert review[3]

I'm not super experienced with band notability. They clearly have toured internationally. And there are enough sources to at least create a stub based on reliable sources. Is that enough? --Jahaza (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pulling the links. Yeah, there are a third party sources, but I don't think they meet the criteria of "non-trival coverage in independent reliable sources". The coverage is not particularly in depth, and these are fairly small publications. Driftingdrifting (talk) 22:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Article is not nearly so unsalvageable as the nominator suggests, and per WP:NEXIST, there are sufficient independent, reliable-source articles on this band and reviews of their LP to pass WP:NMUSIC#1 and WP:GNG. See Northland Age (NZ Herald), Cache Valley Daily, the Valley Profile, and independent reviews of their LP My Ozark Mountain Home in Aleteia and Bluegrass Today. It's slender, but the pass is clear. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

E Reece

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. Lacks enough SIGCOV sources in independent sources. I only found these reviews [4] and [5]. Searched ProQuest and Google news. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 18:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dial (band)

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This article was created by a band member and somehow survived a previous afd. Despite this there doesnt appear to be any reliable sources about the band. GamerPro64 14:42, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to lack of sources. Clearly fails WP:NOTABILITY in its current state.Entranced98 (talk) 16:28, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Clearly fails WP:BAND Halley ^{luv Filipino ❤} (Talk) 02:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:BAND and citation search is not turning up reputable sources. Driftingdrifting (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rahmah Pinky

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No evidence of satisfying the notability guidelines. The references are either dead links or reports of minor details such as changing the company that manages her work, not substantial coverage of her. Searching for better sources was a total failure; it turned up this Wikipedia article, her Facebook account, a site offering downloads of her music, etc, no reliable independent sources. (PROD contested with no reason given. ) JBW (talk) 11:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shinola (band)

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I couldn't find sources that were sufficient to pass WP:GNG or WP:BAND. Suonii180 (talk) 10:16, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete A single critical review in Billboard (magazine) is not sufficient on its own. Please ping me if further sources surface.ResonantDis_tortion 12:32, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails notability unless someone is able to turn up more sources. I was unable to do so myself based on initial search. Driftingdrifting (talk) 16:08, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trampsta

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Fail to meet GNG and SNG WP:COMPOSER Uncle Bash007 (talk) 06:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:NMUSIC. Svartner (talk) 03:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Something is odd here. Very few press articles, but invited in festivals worldwide and YouTube video have millions of views. While the number of views isn't a criteria per se, it could be valuable to keep this article as a placeholder to answer the question "who's that artist with lot of views?", that was my motivation creating that article. From WP:NMUSIC, could weakly match Has composed a number of notable melodies, tunes, or standards used in a notable music genre.. --Dereckson (talk) 18:47, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Views on YouTube do not guarantee notability. Svartner (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ji Seo-yeon (singer)

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Failed WP:GNG, WP:NBLP, WP:SINGER, WP:BANDMEMBER showing no WP:SIGCOV for individual notability apart from passing mentions from TripleS-related reportings. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to TripleS. As with another recent AfD related to this group, this member does not appear to have individual notability as defined at WP:BANDMEMBER. MidnightMayhem 12:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luigi Piccioli

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clearly fails WP:GNG FMSky (talk) 11:52, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep If it's true that Luigi Piccioli taught Peter Tchaikovsky and others including Bogomir Korsov, then deletion would be deeply inappropriate. Even a minimal biography of a teacher of one of the world’s most renowned composers — and of a prominent Russian baritone — is inherently notable. Wikipedia is not harmed by keeping a well-categorized, accurate one-liner on a 19th-century figure who played a role in music history. Deletion, on the other hand, would erase a potentially valuable record. Does it need more? Perhaps. But definitely keep. – Eurodog (talk) 22:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. GNG is the standard, but it is not the only path to notability. If a historical figure was a teacher of Tchaikovsky, then notability is almost certainly inherited and documented in musicological sources. I am looking for sources now. But deletion before attempting a minimal improvement seems premature.

For musicians, notability is also addressed in WP:MUSICBIO, which allows inclusion for those “who have made a significant contribution to the development or performance of music.” Teaching Tchaikovsky qualifies. – Eurodog (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge & redirect into Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. I've added an WP:RS citation which verifies the subject did indeed teach the composer, and provides a paragraph of text about Piccioli. Assuming no further sources are identified to show independent notability, as an WP:ATD I recommend merge and redirect. ResonantDis_tortion 13:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC) Change to Keep based upon new sourcing sufficient to develop the article more than a stub, and providing a claim per WP:BASIC and also WP:MUSICBIO "significant contribution" per above. ResonantDis_tortion 09:12, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I added more sources to the article, which hopefully will make the article grow in the future. I hope this is not considered source bombing, since the sources are all published biographies of Tchaikovsky and other published books including musician encyclopedias, which I considered worth keeping. It should be noted that the Britannica Encyclopedia [6] has an article about Piccioli. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 21:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Foley Stewart

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does not meet WP:N FMSky (talk) 08:44, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lissa Lauria

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Primary sourced promotion for non notable musician / actress. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. No good roles for NACTOR. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:49, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Roles must be trivial, as I can't see anything about them online. I'm not sure how she "stars" in the Rosie O'Donnell show, might have been a guest at one point. The recording career also appears non-notable with no charted singles or any sort of critical review. Oaktree b (talk) 15:26, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete I'm not finding much at all. The only article about her in newspapers.com is from 2007, in a Massachusetts paper which seems to be local to where she, her mother and grandparents came from, about her getting a "lead ensemble role" in the film All Ages Night. Even IMDB doesn't have much. RebeccaGreen (talk) 09:52, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Marksmen Quartet

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Article about a band, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. As always, bands are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they existed, and have to be shown to pass WP:GNG on reliable source coverage about them and their music -- but this is completely unreferenced, the only attempts at "referencing" that have ever previously been in the article at all are primary sources (like their own website, YouTube and Spotify) which aren't support for notability, and the article claims absolutely nothing about them that would be "inherently" notable enough to exempt them from having to pass GNG. Bearcat (talk) 15:08, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry About Your Daughter

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Aside from that nice little piece of local interest coverage in Billboard, I couldn't find any reliable coverage of this band. Local papers (mostly student papers) had some concert listings, but nothing substantial. Article was PRODed back in 2017, but it was removed without explanation. There have been no substantial additions since then, and this really should've been deleted at the time. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:39, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This was the only mention of the band I could find [7]. I don't think we have enough for notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: It's a slog to find press; this band was active in the mid-1990s. I added refs from the Washington Post Baltimore Sun, Billboard, City Pages and NPR . I also did an edit for tone. There was probably coverage in alt weeklies/monthlys (as well as defunct music publications) but it will be challenging to find. JSFarman (talk) 01:15, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – The article has been significantly improved to address notability concerns, with multiple new references from reliable, independent sources:

- *NPR* (2009) covered guitarist Jeff Aug's record-setting 24-hour, 6-country concert tour. - *The Washington City Paper* (2000) documented drummer Karl Hill’s work in The Factory Incident with Government Issue’s John Stabb. - *BrooklynVegan* covered Hill’s role in the reformed *Government Issue*, citing their live performances. - *The Washington Post*, *Baltimore Sun*, and *Billboard* provide additional substantial coverage of the band itself during its active years and its 2019 reunion.

These sources meet WP:GNG and WP:BAND standards for notability by offering non-trivial coverage in multiple independent, reliable publications. Additionally, the members’ post-band musical involvement in notable acts like Anne Clark and Government Issue reinforces the band’s long-term relevance within the D.C. and European alternative scenes.

While some coverage is archival and harder to find digitally, the depth of sources now present supports retention. Further improvement is welcome, but deletion feels premature given the verifiable references and the band’s legacy. Cheapcop (talk) 08:54, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seth Davis (musician)

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about a drummer, and not found significant coverage to add in reliable, independent sources. There is some coverage in local papers, but otherwise mostly forums or other non-RS. I don't think he meets WP:NMUSICIAN, WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. No obvious redirect target. Tacyarg (talk) 06:16, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Highly promotional article full of just cringy language like "Davis has shared artist rosters with...", followed by what is basically promotion for a method. I don't see participation in any notable albums by notable artists, no solo albums or record contract, and no acceptable secondary sources. Drmies (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There is no trace of him (that I could find) in the drumming magazines that drummers read: Modern Drummer, Drum! or the late lamented Rhythm. Seems odd give that he's "one of the pioneers of the elite speed drumming movement." Delete as an egregiously promotional WP:MUSICIAN and WP:GNG fail. JSFarman (talk) 20:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ylber Idrizi

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Fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. Lacks significant and published coverage. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 01:36, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The discography section is entirely unreferenced and the other section is backed by Wikipedia articles in other languages, the subject's own site/YouTube, and other questionable sites. --Local hero ^talk 22:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Tschuggnall

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Refbombed promotion for non notable musician. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Has drummed with a lot of projects but lacks independent notability. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is sufficient significant coverage that satisfies GNG requirements to show the subject's notability as a musician. CresiaBilli (talk) 06:29, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VAGUEWAVE, WP:SOURCESEXIST. You have not identified any actual coverage. One of multiple throw away boilerplate !votes recently from this individual. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:15, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kindly refrain from duplicating your identical content beneath all my votes and comments.CresiaBilli (talk) 12:10, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: so far, i don't see the significant coverage in indepentent sources to pass gng, at least with what is currently cited in the article. Tschuggnall seems to have co-written a textbook; finding a lot of websites to buy it online, but no in-depth coverage about him. I'll try to find more sources the next days. Nyamo Kurosawa (talk) 21:12, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - total lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. Facebook, his own website, blogs, and sources about other people don't contribute to notability. Bearian (talk) 16:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. No support for deletion beyond nominator, and a plausible NMUSIC pass has been unrebutted. (non-admin closure) Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ill Al Skratch

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I am unable to find anything reliable or in depth enough to establish their notability. A WP:BEFORE reveals only user generated content like Genius, Spotify and Reddit, as well as a few track listing sites like AllMusic ([8]) and WhoSampled ([9]). I did find this Validated magazine article, however it was never archived so I don't know if it is even reliable. The article claims that "Where My Homiez? (Come Around My Way)" peaked on Billboard, however I can't see anything that supports that, leading me to believe this is untrue and the group does not satisfy WP:NBAND or WP:GNG. The song "I'll Take Her" does actually look like it appeared on Billboard once, however I would say that it is WP:NOTINHERITED as that appears to be their only significance. They never released an album with Mercury Records and it appears that that song was their only collaboration. They have never won any notable award or been featured on radio or television as far as I can see. Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 18:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: They did release an album with Mercury, Creep wit' Me, and it has an AllMusic review. Plus this tiny bit of coverage into a pile of SIGCOV ([10] and [11]). As an alternative I am not opossed to merging the song and the album with the duo's page. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 19:21, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I've verified one single, and one album, charting, and added the respective 2xWP:GOODCHARTS citations to the article. There is an Allmusic staff bio, now added to the article, and also many hits on the worldradiohistory archive which needs more work to go through. For example such as [12]. Further there are a lot of hits for the band name in Billboard (magazine) on Google Books. As such, therefore happy to !vote keep and presume this one is notable. Agreed with the above !vote that a merge of the song+album into the main subject article is valid. ResonantDis_tortion 22:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as passes WP:NMUSIC criteria 2 with nationally charting releases as confirmed by Billboard and coverage in AllMusic, Billboard and other sources identified above, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:38, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Ssilvers has defused the TNT. Mojo Hand (talk) 23:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

David Serero (singer)

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Blimey, you'd think this guy was an international superstar or something. Over the top promotion of questionable veracity. Overplays minor things, misrepresents the truth. Starred in 100 films? Like Chinese Zodiac where he was uncredited? The Chef with Jean Reno (2011), as Client du restaurant (uncredited) All Three of Us where he was also uncredited [13]. TV? List of Quantico characters, no mention there. "In December 2013, he made his solo Broadway debut at the Bernstein Theatre" Would that be the Off-Broadway Anne L. Bernstein Theater in The Theater Center? Where does the truth begin and the exaggeration end? Personally I think this is well and truly into the TNT realm, even speedy. duffbeerforme (talk) 08:18, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: Lots of fluff in the article, but I think we might have notability. [14] and [15] seem to cover him, in Australia and Israel. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep. I did some copy editing, but the whole article is badly over-written and needs a thorough weeding. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as well as the above mentioned sources there is also a staff written AllMusic bio here and an AllMusic album review here which is obviously independent as it is critical about his voice. Passes WP:GNG in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:30, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ripe Banana Skins

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Seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. Did a search per WP:BEFORE and found nothing relevant in news nor books. Google only pops up music host sites. The only sources I found with specific coverage was [16] which reads like an advertisement and [17] which looks like it raises WP:UGC issues. The article is also entirely unsourced and the external links are either dead or were taken over. 🪷 nahida 00:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Was able to find some local coverage on the band, here and here. The band still seems to be active; most of the coverage seems trivial, however, and I'm not sure if it passes WP:NM. They did win a prize from the Argentine Film Critics Association for a movie's soundtrack they made. Coeusin (talk) 01:43, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This might be relevant as well. Coeusin (talk) 01:46, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Daniel Williams (musician)

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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER, should be merged and redirected to The Devil Wears Prada (band). guninvalid (talk) 03:16, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Draftify or~~ weak keep: Upon viewing the article it appears there is a bit more here than on Dave Shapiro in regards to arguments for keeping it. 15/23 articles are in relation to the crash. This may not be enough to qualify WP:BIO1E. I would vote to draftify, expand with more non-crash related references if possible and potentially submit to WP:AfC. If not, I would not oppose to a weak keep at this stage, subject to reading more experienced editors opinions. (Having said all that. WP:BANDMEMBER as OP says would say to redirect, but I'll stick to my initial vote despite this). 11wallisb (talk) 06:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Edit on 08/06/22 after relisting: I have changed my vote to weak keep which I originally put as an alternative vote at initial listing. My reasoning is in line with what I said previously, I believe there is just enough in the article for it to be kept. 11WB (talk) 12:04, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The article is reasonably well-sourced with independent coverage that provides substantive biographical details about Daniel Williams. While WP:BANDMEMBER is a useful guideline, it is not a strict requirement, especially when WP:GNG can be met independently. There is evidence of coverage beyond trivial mentions, and the article is not a mere coatrack. WP:NOTPAPER reminds us that the threshold for inclusion is not limited by space constraints, and WP:IAR allows for flexibility when strict application of a guideline would hinder the encyclopedia’s goal of sharing verifiable knowledge. Merging to the band article would likely result in the loss of meaningful detail specific to Williams’ contributions and post-TDWP activity. TrueCRaysball ^💬|✏️ 00:45, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with your point on WP:NOTPAPER. I find preference to keeping articles than outright deleting them. If an article can be sent back to draft and improved there, that is always preferable to just deletion. 11wallisb (talk) 15:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that there's very little extra content on Williams himself other than his death and a brief discussion of interests. There's really no reason that can't also be merged into the Band article, and it's also trivial enough that it's not worth keeping, as I see it. guninvalid (talk) 19:24, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Guninvalid I think both points are definitely valid. Personally, I believe Williams' article should be kept over Dave Shapiro as there seems to be more on him. 11wallisb (talk) 21:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dave Shapiro (music agent)

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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER, should be merged and redirected to The Devil Wears Prada (band). guninvalid (talk) 03:17, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect at the moment: I think I agree with the OP on this one. I feel as though this one may fall under WP:BIO1E? My reasoning being upon inspecting the references, many cover the 2025 San Diego Cessna Citation II crash in which he was tragically involved (19 of the 22 references). This is only upon initial inspection however and I would be interested to see others' points of view on this. For now I concur with OP and think a redirect with coverage on a relevant page would probably suffice. 11wallisb (talk) 06:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe a merge/redirect to the page of the band Count the Stars would be most appropriate. My reasoning for this rather than the OP's suggestion is that there is no definitive evidence Shapiro had any link to TDWP other than the crash. As Shapiro was a founding member of Count the Stars, this to me makes sense as the most appropriate choice for merge/redirection. 11WB (talk) 20:34, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can’t find any relation between him and the band other than him dying in the same event as Daniel Williams, who was a former member of said band. 2600:1004:B347:4AE1:3C78:5FC1:1294:B927 (talk) 12:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is a valid point if correct. A brief scroll of Google seems to back this up. It appears Dave Shapiro was a music agent/executive, but not of TDWP. In my post above for this reason, I only stated to redirect to a relevant page and not specifically to the article for TDWP. This may have been an oversight by the OP, however I think the point to redirect elsewhere stands on its own regardless. 11wallisb (talk) 13:25, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was intending this to be a reply to guninvalid’s comment because he said that Dave Shapiro should be merged with T.D.W.P. 2600:1004:B33F:699D:C81D:4C36:8E3F:4FB5 (talk) 02:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't worry, they will be able to see these messages! 11WB (talk) 07:47, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I know almost nothing about Shapiro so I am fine with @11wallisb's suggestion of redirecting to Count the Stars. Parts of this bio can be merged into both articles anyway, but since there can only be one redirect, I'm okay with that being Count the Stars. guninvalid (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. The only reason my redirect article differed is because Shapiro has no searchable link to TDWP (other than the crash). 11WB (talk) 08:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So This Is Suffering

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Plenty of sources, but no sigcov. Several consist solely of press releases and there's a lot of coverage from blogs, but nothing that meets GNG criteria, and they do not appear to qualify for any WP:NBAND criteria. 🌸⁠wasianpower⁠🌸 (talk • contribs) 17:02, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Will Crewdson

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This guitarist fails WP:NBIO with no coverage in independent reliable secondary sources. Previous prod has been contested by IP 2.96.203.211 at WP:REFUND. GTrang (talk) 21:20, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as there are more substantial independent references (ie not interviews or put out as press releases) online now. There are these: https://usrockermusic.com/2017/07/06/a-redwood-weekend-the-glam-skanks-will-crewdson-the-sloths-and-the-schizophonics-rip-it-up-in-dtla/ https://freshonthenet.co.uk/2014/10/mixtape20141013/ https://totalrock.com/rachel-stamp-live-at-the-02-islington-glam-punk-rock-at-its-finest/ Also not very substantial coverage at https://bigtakeover.com/concerts/AdamAntVicTheatreChicagoILSeptember72019 and https://usrockermusic.com/2024/05/09/adam-ant-and-the-english-beat-give-lessons-in-showmanship-at-the-greek-in-la/ Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:25, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Will Crewdson has some reliable coverage from independent music outlets like US Rocker Music and Fresh on the Net. These sources, while not mainstream, provide significant coverage to meet WP:NBIO.Primpzetad (talk) 10:59, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This guitarist meets WP:GNG backed with significant coverage in multiple reliable sources.CresiaBilli (talk) 07:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Edwards (Australian composer)

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This Article relies so much on unreliable sources and no improvement have been made, I was thinking I could find a source with independent coverage but I couldn’t find, The subject has contributed in many field of entertainment yet fails to have WP:SIGCOV, fails WP:MUSICBIO, fails WP:GNG per no particularly article that speaks about him independently on multiple secondary sources, most of the citations are either usercreated space under a music website where he has listed his musical works. Chippla ✍️ - Best Regards 12:08, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Connie (freestyle singer)

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No indication of notability per WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NMUSIC. I looked for any signficant discussion of this singer in reliable, third party sources but could not find anything, only social media, YouTube, etc. ... discospinster _talk 19:22, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Potentially notable in my view, but a very tricky subject to search for sources, particularly with an album Connie by Connie. However the subject did have a single in the Billboard charts Funky Little Beat #44 & [18]. Allmusic has WP:RSMUSIC staff writer coverage [19] and [20]. There are also some further critical coverage/mentions in the worldradiohistory archive such as [21], [22] & [23]. ResonantDis_tortion 11:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - the subject did have a hit in the Billboard charts, "Funky Little Beat" as mentioned. The song itself is notable. And as mentioned, Allmusic has RS coverage of Connie. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 18:25, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep if there are more sources. Wynwick55gl (talk) 09:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Randall Smith (composer)

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Fifteen years after being tagged as a possible COI BLP with insufficient sourcing, this article still contains no reliable sources. A Google search turns up nothing of note for me, either. BD2412 T 02:36, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bruce Bickerton

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I could not find any evidence that this is a notable musician, seems to be a self-published artist who hasn't received significant attention from reliable sources so far. Fram (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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That is not true if you search and read about Alucidnation which is his Allias, you will find alot of refernces and articles about him. he has also appeared on the Grand Theft Auto IV game sound track. i have seen many articles on Wikipedia about music producers who hardly have any credbility compared to this producer. please do your research. i also have added more links to this producer. Manunited20 (talk) 13:56, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend you identify better sources and add them to the article to demonstrate the subject meets WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. As a general rule at least WP:THREE are recommended. To assist - I have identified two EP reviews from a reliable source (Muzik): 2001 and 2003. There is also an Irish Times album review on ProQuest 309867414. I !vote Draftify as there is potential here. ResonantDis_tortion 15:39, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for assisting, i have added the sources on the discography of the artist. if you can identify more reliable sources and help edit the page in any way, that would be appreciated. Manunited20 (talk) 04:29, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The release blurbs in Muzik help towards establishing notability, but a lot of the current references do not. If notable, no need to put into draft purgatory, just add more sources in reliable publications if they exist.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 14:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sinai 48

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Fifteen years after being tagged for possible COI, this article still has not a single proper reference showing notability independent of the notability of certain members, and there does not appear to be one to be found. BD2412 T 16:10, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Umair (music producer)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. At first glance there appears to be significant coverage but looking closer you will see that most are not bylined, are from unreliable sources, or just routine coverage or mentions. CNMall41 (talk) 17:39, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Umair meets WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. His 2024 album Rockstar Without a Guitar peaked at #8 on Spotify Pakistan and was featured in Genius Community’s 25 Best Albums of 2024 (ThePrint). His single “Asli Hai” topped YouTube Pakistan charts (Music Metrics Vault). Covered by reliable sources like Samaa TV, ThePrint, Wordplay Magazine, and Itz Hip Hop. Producer for notable duo Young Stunners. Meets NMUSIC via charting work, media coverage, and national significance.

— Behappyyar (talk) 15:41, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NMUSICIAN would not be met based on charting. Spotify and YouTube are not acceptable under WP:CHART. Also, being a producer for someone notable does not come with inherent notability. Can you address the non-bylined references? Do you feel these are reliable and if so how? For WP:GNG, you are also cited press releases above which can never be used for notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:46, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41 While it’s true that WP:CHART places limits on YouTube/Spotify data for standalone notability, those indicators support broader cultural relevance under WP:NMUSIC#1 and WP:GNG. Chart placements help demonstrate impact in the absence of traditional charts in South Asia, where mainstream media often lags behind independent or digital-first musicians.

Regarding sources:

Samaa TV and ThePrint are independent, professional outlets with editorial oversight and journalistic standards. These are not self-published or fan-driven and are widely accepted as RS in other music-related AfDs.
The Itz Hip Hop review is bylined and analytical, not promotional; it contains critical assessment of Umair’s production and album structure.
The Wordplay Magazine article, while regional, is independent and contains critical evaluation — see similar RS used in AfDs for artists in UK/India-Pak context.

I accept that the ANI press release cannot count toward WP:GNG, but it was cited for factual support of chart placements, not to satisfy notability directly.

Notability isn’t only about headlining credits. Umair is the primary producer behind Rebirth and Open Letter, two of the most discussed hip-hop albums in Pakistan — both critically reviewed in RS and recognized in independent retrospectives. His influence is creative and structural, meeting WP:NMUSIC#2 (“significant contribution to the work of others that is covered in reliable sources”).

On balance, the article meets WP:GNG through multiple independent sources with critical commentary, and WP:NMUSIC through documented production of notable albums and influence on Pakistan’s hip-hop scene.

— Behappyyar (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Playing a major role in major works proves notability. Could you give more info on the part he played and on the notability of those albums? — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:03, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not to forget: Talha Anjum's most famous song Kaun Talha? in which he diss an Indian rapper Naezy was produced by Umair. ^[1] Behappyyar (talk) 15:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@(Itzcuauhtli11) He served as the lead producer and co-composer on both Rebirth (2017) and Open Letter (2023), two landmark Urdu hip-hop albums in Pakistan.

On Rebirth, Umair produced all 15 tracks for Young Stunners, a duo considered foundational to Pakistani rap. The album is credited with shaping the Urdu hip-hop scene and received wide media attention from outlets like SAMAA TV.^[2]

For Open Letter, he was again the key producer, collaborating with Talha Anjum and international names such as KRSNA. The album was reviewed independently and discussed critically within South Asian music forums.^[3]^[4]

These albums are not just popular but culturally significant, marking key points in the evolution of Pakistani hip-hop. Umair’s complete production involvement and critical coverage of these albums demonstrate a major creative role in notable works, satisfying WP:NMUSIC#2 and strengthening his case under WP:GNG. ^[5]

References

^ "Indian rapper asks 'Talha Kaun?', Talha Anjum responds with a brutal diss track". Images.Dawn.com. Dawn Media Group. 21 May 2025. Retrieved 23 May 2025.
^ "Young Stunners' new Album Rebirth is a must listen". Samaa TV.
^ "Open Letter - Talha Anjum [Album Review]".
^ "Open Letter Talha Anjum's album blend of hip-hop and Urdu poetry".
^ "Umair and Jokhay The man behind the rise of Talha Anjum amd Talha Younas".

There is a huge WP:WALLOFTEXT so I will only be addressing some of the main points. I wouldn't consider Young Stunners even notable despite having a Wikipedia page (that one needs to go to AfD as well). A single collaboration with a rapper is not something that gains inherent notability. Everything else is more of an WP:ILIKEIT argument. As far as the "landmark" albums you speak of, I would guess they would have enough coverage to warrant a Wikipedia page since they are landmark, yet I do not see it. Fact is, the coverage has some mentions, routine announcements, and unreliable sources (even a publication that is reliable like Dawn can have specific articles considered unreliable - see WP:NEWSORGINDIA). The rest of what you cited is not reliable (two blogs and Reddit?). If this artist was truly worthy of notice (a requirement of notability), there would be more than blog posts and promotional churnalism. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:16, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

CNMall41 This isn’t WP:ILIKEIT—his notability stems from his influence on multiple notable works. While some early coverage may be light or promotional, there is independent, reliable coverage (e.g., SAMAA TV, The Express Tribune, and Dawn articles/interviews) highlighting Umair’s production role. [24]. Behappyyar (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The comment proves what I have been saying. You cite this which is a routine announcement and not-bylined. It is not reliable for the purpose of establishing notability. It is the same concept as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Finally, please do not cite interviews anymore. They are not independent and cannot be used to establish notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The link i have shared Umair slides into Genius Top Albums of the Year is not a routine announcement. It highlights Umair’s recognition by Genius alongside global artists like Beyoncé. This editorial coverage by a reliable source (The Express Tribune) goes beyond routine mentions and supports notability per WP:GNG. Behappyyar (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Already stated numerous times. It is NOT BYLINED and falls under similar concerns as WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Articles published under "news desk" or "webdesk" have consistently found to be unreliable for notability purposes as they are promotional churnalism, not something in-depth written by a journalist. Please see WP:CIR. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:48, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete: I lean to agree with CNMall41; most of the articles with SIGCOV doesn't mention the author of the article, and all of them have promotional undertones. The Rolling Stones review is nice, checks all the boxes for a good sources (except the promotional vibes). If we can find another 2+ sources of the quality of this Rolling Stones article, we can save the article. This source also has a little bit specifically on Umair. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 16:24, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I actually thought the Rolling Stone reference was okay, but when I looked closer during a WP:BEFORE, I saw it was Rolling Stone India which is not Rolling Stone and has different (if any) oversight authority. Should be treated similar to Forbes India or Entrepreneur India. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:47, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It seems that he meets WP:NSINGER criterion 2, having a single listed on a country's national music chart. 1 190.140.190.217 (talk) 22:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The source that you pointed out states that "As well as several tracks making Spotify’s viral charts in Pakistan and India". Regional Spotify listings do not count towards WP:CHART. ToadetteEdit (talk) 08:03, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify to modify sources: Having read the above discussions, read the article over and checked the sources, there are a few things that stand out to me. Firstly, the names of some of the article writers, namely refs 2, 5, 10 and 12, appear to not be the name of an actual person (Images Staff and Culture Haze). These sources are likely not bylined, as I believe has been mentioned previously. Secondly, ref 14 is a link to the artist's Spotify. Whilst Spotify isn't listed on WP:RS/PS, I would question whether it counts as a WP:RS. For these reasons, along with the article still potentially being a WP:Stub (it has the notice at the bottom of the article), I think that draftifying the article to take care of these issues would be beneficial in strengthening arguments for keep. 11WB (talk) 11:18, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@11wallisb The references contain nonsense parameters because this article is AI generated. Sources 4 and 16 contain utm_source=chatgpt.com in the URLs. 86.23.87.130 (talk) 00:28, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Yes, it appears you are correct for ref 16. That link was attributed by Google Analytics to ChatGPT as a source of traffic. I believe this relates to Wikipedia:AI-generated content - not yet a policy, but important nonetheless. Having seen this and the other things I mentioned previously shifts my opinion from draftify further to deletion pending further insight. 11WB (talk) 00:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Further to my last message, it appears ref 20 also links to Spotify. I've re-read the article, I'm still not confident in my own ability to detect LLM usage or other AI generated content, so I think it best I leave that to be confirmed by more experienced Wikipedians. Regardless of AI, this article definitely has issues that need addressing in its current form. 11WB (talk) 01:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nomination. Needs more coverage.

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Delete. The subject does not meet the notability guidelines regarding WP:NMUSIC. From a glance of the sources in the article, they do not discuss the subject significantly, or are adverts, or are profiles... And I could not find any valid sources on the search engine. I also opposed draftification unless there is a possibility that the subject will be notable in the future. ToadetteEdit (talk) 08:01, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hamidreza Ghorbani

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. Attempted to draftify but OP recreated it in mainspace. It was noted this was the "english" version so I looked at Wikidata and it appears there is a mass posting campaign across many languages. CNMall41 (talk) 21:37, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This article is about a real person, one of the Iranian music artists and press writers. As you can see, the article has complete sources and is well-known. Given the importance of the topic, there is no reason to delete the article!Thank You! Rahavardeparsì (talk) 23:18, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note - This appears to be a case of long-term abuse. See User:Richardsondiva. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 23:51, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the link before it was blanked. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:31, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fancy Refrigerator:, it in fact is, across multiple Wikipedia projects. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:33, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In Iran, due to internet filtering and users connecting to VPNs, there are always network interferences and I have no knowledge of the past. As I said, the article has a valid and necessary topic and sources. It is better to discuss whether the article should remain or not. Rahavardeparsì (talk) 00:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rahavardeparsì. You have "no knowledge of the past" yet you happened to recreate an article of Hamidreza Ghorbani very similar to that created by User:Farbodzade. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 00:23, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am Raha and we share the same internet with Farbodzade. We are trying to create. We are students of Professor Hamidreza Ghorbani. Look at our edits. We do not intend to sabotage the files. We only made edits. Please do not seek adventure and comment on whether the article should remain or not. This is a poll, not an interrogation! Should the article remain or be deleted? Rahavardeparsì (talk) 00:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You were asked, not by me but by another user, to disclose outside connections you have. Up to this point you have been skewing this discussion about long-term abuse. I question your sincerity. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 01:26, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You should not be pessimistic. I am honest with all users. We are the educated class of Iran and we have learned the way of honesty from our professors. If you and other friends believe that our professor's article should remain, please vote positive and save the article. We, the people of Iran, love all the people of the world. Thank you for your attention. Rahavardeparsì (talk) 01:38, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fancy Refrigerator:, it is. The SPI found the connection which is something that should have been disclosed in the beginning by the user (only now they talk about "shared internet" now that they are aware of the SPI). The LTA can be dealt with once the AfD has run its course in my opinion. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't know anything about the Iranian internet. We have connectivity problems and many networks and sites are filtered here. Yes, we have shared internet because Farbodzadeh is my neighbor and we live in a residential apartment. I am not looking for adventure and we respect your decision to stay or delete the article. You are respected. Rahavardeparsì (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The article can remain. Objection to deletion. Reason: Reliable sources and importance of the topic. Rahavardeparsì (talk) 13:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there's a lack of significant coverage in reliable sources, and the history of the page indicates promotional moves. Just because a user page is blanked doesn't erase its history. These shenanigans are why our charitable status is in trouble. Bearian (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Stay - The sources are credible in Persian and are well-known. Media coverage in independent and impartial sources indicates the importance of the article's topic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahavardeparsì (talk • contribs) 18:00, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Simonna

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Promotional autobiography for non notable actor and singer. None of here roles are good for NACTOR. No sign of any charting/gold/rotation/major awards for her music. Her Eurovision participation was only in qualifying, she did not make it to Eurovision. No major awards. Lacks coverage about her in independent reliable sources. (Whilst I call it an autobiography, multiple people (including her) are using the one account that contributed much of the content) duffbeerforme (talk) 08:51, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Why do you want to delete her page if you think she is notable? Artus Sauerfog Dark-Eon (talk) 22:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

oops, missed a word, thanks for noticing. I've fixed it. duffbeerforme (talk) 06:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep She has worked in multiple films and performed her numerous discography. Meets the criteria of WP:ENTERTAINER. References can be improved. CresiaBilli (talk) 13:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rolls as a guest star or a one-off are generally not enough to show notability without sourcing directly about the individual. Oaktree b (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Limited about of coverage about a car accident while she was on NCIS Los Angeles [25], but that was a rather small role, likely not meeting ACTOR. I don't see musical notability either, based on the sourcing presented. Oaktree b (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gwen (singer)

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Fails WP:BANDMEMBER, no indication of notability outside of being in her group. orangesclub 🍊 00:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: per my argument to Maloi ROY is WAR Talk! 22:48, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Bini (group): Per my arguments at the Maloi AFD discussion. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 18:46, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think "Gwen (singer)" is an appropriate redirect. There may have been several more notable singers named Gwen that are for more notable. Either this is kept (either as a standalone article or as a redirect assuming info on this article is not there at the main Bini article) or deleted, no redirects. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:44, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom. Second choice is to list this person under Gwen (given name), then redirect Gwen (singer) to Gwen (given name) or have it deleted altogether (will consider WP:RFD on this at a later time). Howard the Duck (talk) 23:27, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
She is passed in WP:GNG given to Maloi as demonstrated the significant coverage of Vogue Philippines and it is technically outside of Bini. She's also a housemate of Pinoy Big Brother: Otso and have importance on that, given to that in the Gwen (singer) § Media image as it is really passed in GNG. This is like a similar of WP:IDONTLIKEIT you just overlooked that her Media image section is obviously have somehow passed in WP:GNG. This is might be another relisting week.ROY is WAR Talk! 00:58, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I love how you use the word "technically" to further emphasize it is indeed connected to Bini (LOL).

We don't create articles on contestants of reality TV shows aolely based on their participation on said shows, either, so I dont know why you'd bring that up. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:28, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am explaining to you that she is passed on WP:GNG together with WP:SIGCOV stating all her featured notable prestigious magazines like Parcinq, Billboard Philippines, and Vogue Philippines. All of them are demonstrating the significant coverage and in-depth on her fashion. You are trying to gaslight the facts and my arguments that she is notable at all. And besides, I noticed that you participating only when have a AfD (not a assumption but a observation) on Maloi and Gwen and given it is a WP:IDONTLIKEIT and SIGCOV is the major criteria of GNG that's why she's passed.

This is a summary for passing significant coverage of Gwen, for participating this AfD)

Billboard Philippines: Gwen was featured on notable magazine of Billboard Philippines where she talks about her life and being a housemate on Pinoy Big Brother: Otso.
Vogue Philippines: She featured also in this notable magazine with her fashion stating of Vogue writer Bianca Custodio describing her Gwen's fashion "60's mod-inspired" and "the girls take a break from their usual image, donning bobbed wigs of varying shapes and cuts."
Parcinq: Parcinq is a Philippine magazine and Gwen was featured in this magazine as a cover pf the magazine. Gwen also shares on her life on this magazine with Parcinq describes the fashion of Gwen as "Black symbolizes death, darkness, and the mysteries of the universe." ROY is WAR Talk! 01:42, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If these are WP:INTERVIEWs then these are most likely fail WP:RS and therefore fail WP:GNG regardless if such activities make her surpass WP:BANDMEMBER. Howard the Duck (talk) 03:22, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No. All of them are passed in WP:RS since it was a reliable and have significant coverage with Gwen's fashion with given sources. ROY is WAR Talk! 05:23, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You clearly haven't read WP:INTERVIEW? Even if this person was interviewed by the Times of London about her life and career, it would fail WP:RS. Reliable sources, while also considers who published it, considers how it was created. Interviews arw autobiographical.

With being said, Billboard was indeed an interview, while the other two were fashion editorials with an interview interspersed on it. I can figure fashion editorials can be used as WP:RS if somebody else reports on it. All of these are primary and fails WP:RS.

Again, competence is required. If an article is primarily based on interviews, and on ABS-CBN and Youtube, it has no place here. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:08, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I already read it earlier (LOL). It is clearly passed in WP:RS it is notable magazines like Vogue Philippines and Billboard Philippines they have high credibility on this magazine or company so it is a reliable source and passed on WP:GNG with WP:SIGCOV . They are not a "cheap" magazines whatsoever and they are Professionally edited publications, and independent. It is not merely trivial or promotional, it also applied on WP:NBASIC which is passed also. It really matters who publishes it, is it unreliable or not? In this case, Billboard and Vogue and Parcinq are reliable (highly on Billboard and Vogue since they are the top reliable). Also, it is not a uncontroversial claims. The interview are usually primary sources, but when conducted and published by reliable third party sources with highly reputable source, they are acceptable.

Again, this is my last argument on this and it is clearly will go over and over on this, and obviously clearly mentioning ABS-CBN and YouTube, Vogue Billboard PH and ABS-CBN, YouTube are different (LOL). ROY is WAR Talk! 07:25, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is not if the source is cheap or not (hence the Times of London analogy); it's whether or not the source is the subject herself. You clearly haven't read WP:INTERVIEW. The closing admin should take notice of willful ignorance of the arguments being presented to you. I guess we won't need another relist. Howard the Duck (talk) 07:39, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:INTERVIEW § Who, what, where Is this a reliable source such as a broadsheet newspaper, respected magazine, reliable broadcaster or news outlet that specializes in interviews? In this case, Billboard PH, Vogue Philippines and Parcinq are reliable.

Also on WP:INTERVIEW, independent or non-independent of the subject matter, it is clearly demonstrate that Billboard PH and Vogue Philippines are independent, this is a most likely a WP: IDONTLIKEIT argument, I gave you all my arguments but you insisting that Billboard and Vogue are not reliable. The issue of "willful ignorance" as might be a attacking me. Is that there's no policy basis for excluding a well sourced, editorially controlled interview published by an RS from notability consideration. This is not applied to Gwen, this is all applied to all musicians also that interview like New York Times, Original Billboard and Original Vogue if you exclude that, half of WP:BIO wouldn't exist. ROY is WAR Talk! 07:48, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter if it's from the Times of London, Vogue Italia, Billboard USA, or Yes Magazine; WP:INTERVIEW#Independence states "The interviewee may or may not be independent of the subject matter. In some cases, the interviewer is also not independent. For example:

Alice Expert talks about herself, her actions, or her ideas: non-independent source."

In other words, a person talking about oneself in any publication or medium (print, TV, internet) fails WP:RS. As per WP:INTERVIEW#Notability: "Anything interviewees say about themselves or their own work is both primary and non-independent, and therefore does not support a claim for notability."

Now, you could argue there may had been some synthesis on those three articles, but if we're really basing the notability of this person, aside from being a WP:BANDMEMBER, it'll take more than these sources. Howard the Duck (talk) 09:20, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Although, somehow are accurate but it doesn't mean you cannot use it. The interviewee may or may not be independent of the subject matter. In some cases, the interviewer is also not independent. this applies to the statement made by the subject, not the entire interview article.

On WP:INTERVIEW: It is okay to use interviews to source some facts. Interviews may sometimes be the best or clearest sources, especially for biographical or personal information and as I said it is clearly independent, have significant coverage, and reliable since it was editorially controlled. and Billboard Philippines and Vogue Philippines are the one who interviewed the subject and it is not a conflict of interest. Independent sources are more generally reliable than sources that have a conflict of interest or are otherwise involved in the subject. ROY is WAR Talk! 10:02, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To explain further, "source" in interview is the interviewee (the one being interviewed), not the one doing the interview (the journalist in behalf of the publication). This is explained in "The general rule is that any statements made by interviewees about themselves, their activities, or anything they are connected to is considered to have come from a primary source." If the article is about the life and times of the interviewee, then that leaves wiggle room for secondary sources.

To reiterate, it doesn't matter if the publication is what you'd consider" high quality".

Remember, encyclopedias are tertiary sources, so it should have filtered the secondary sources, which should had done the same with the primary source. Howard the Duck (talk) 10:29, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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By now, the article has been culled of her activities with other Bini members. The article now boils to:

Her auditioning for Star Hunt Academy (I think that thing was not called "Star Hunt Auditions"), but then the next sentence says she auditioned for Big Brother first(?)... so which is which???
A section supposedly describing activities since 2021 but only starts in 2024 on a social media incident where she asked for privacy. Then the rest of paragraphy is reactions soup.
Her being WP:INTERVIEWed in Billboard Philippines... I guess the word count increases if you add the name of the interviewer?
Her fashion sense.
Her being an ABS-CBN talent being one of the best dressed in the ABS-CBN Ball... and more fashion sense and no actual modeling.

FWIW, none of these merits inclusion in a BLP article. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fnaire

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Questionable amount of notability and sigcov to deserve its own article. YouTube and Genius "sources" do not count. MimirIsSmart (talk) 15:54, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment (still new here, didn't know that YouTube is not a reliable source!)

I updated the sources and removed YouTube and Genius. Please have a look and let me know if there are better ways to improve the article. Rap no Davinci (talk) 20:00, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: to make it easier to my fellow editors, here are some of the main reasons why they pass for WP:ARTIST (my bad as the creator of the article not to include them from the beginning):

• Awarded the prestigious royal decoration Order of Ouissam Alaouite by the King of Morocco for their artistic contributions to Moroccan music. [s], [s 2]

• They performed at Mawazine in 2019,[26] top 5 biggest festivals in the world [27] and the biggest in Africa. [named by billboard [28]]

• The first Moroccan hip hop act to perform during the NBA All-Star Game halftime show in 2017. [29] [30]

• A collaborative song with India's T-Series and Nora Fathi. [31]

They are one of the most influential hip hop acts in Morocco's history, my mistake I included YouTube links at first not knowing it's not reliable on Wikipedia.

Let me know if anything else is needed. Cheers! Rap no Davinci (talk) 16:37, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Wall (guitarist)

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Musician from non-notable band. Passing mentions in local press as a part of his band. Fails WP:MUSICBIO. Rift (talk) 08:23, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No mayor awards, doesn't have a song in national charts, hasn't played a major part in a major role. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:57, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I think that he meets WP:MUSICBIO because I've found several sources online that cover him and aren't just passing mentions. Sources: [32] [33] [34] [35] Opm581^{(talk | he/him)} 10:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately those sources are local and have interviews with the subject of the article. Local sources are not as reliable as national or international ones, and although not necessarily bad, weaker to prove notability. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 19:54, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Just passing mentions only and didn't found any significant coverage on him. Thus, fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Fade258 (talk) 01:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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