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Lorwyn

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MtG expansion. Pretty much all sources fail the requirement for independence (they are from the company itself). Other than that there are mentions in passing/press release reprints and like, and my BEFORE fails to find anything better. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:28, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Games and United States of America. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:28, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
keep? Not my area of expertise, but wouldn't things like [1], [2] solid enough sources? There seem to be a dozen or so places covering the setting due to the D&D tie in. There are also 3rd party books which cover all the sets and appear to have non-trivial coverage of this one (e.g. [3]). I feel like an independent and fairly in depth article can be written using sources that meet WP:N. What am I missing? Hobit (talk) 17:51, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Hobbit _pbp 03:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Magic: The Gathering sets#Expansion sets Weak keep. Comic Book Resources and ScreenRant are Valnet-owned and can't used to demonstrate notability per WP:VALNET. The collector's guide is not "independent of the subject" per WP:GNG. The author is "the general manager of StarCityGames.com, the world's largest Magic retailer." He is selling Lorwyn cards: [4]. --Mika1h (talk) 08:58, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Mika1h: Thanks. I should be familiar with WP:VALNET by now. I notice that they aren't ruled out as sources, just not ideal... So how about polygon and Bell of Lost Souls? There is also a very short bit from MSN by Scott Baird (who looks like a real journalist, not sure?). Hobit (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - MSN is a reposting from DualShockers, just declared unreliable, see here. I'm not familiar with Bell of Lost Souls but it doesn't look great. It's a self-published source: [5]. The author hasn't wrote for anybody else: [6], the founder of the site doesn't have any credentials: [7], [8]. Polygon is a reliable source (article is just before they were sold to Valnet) but I don't think that announcement is significant coverage: "No further details, or even a release window, were shared in the official news release". And I would say it's not even "independent of the subject". The author first cites the press release and then Magic's own website, then the last half is not even talking about Lorwyn. --Mika1h (talk) 21:12, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    - BoLS has historically been considered a reliable source for RPG articles. I didn't realize Polygon got sold. I started reading that around 1980 when it was the RPGA newsletter (I think it traces that history?). There are lots of other Google News and book hits for this. Since it's a made up word, it's really easy to search for. Hobit (talk) 22:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      - Okay, I found coverage by Wargamer: [9], [10], [11] (better article on the same announcement as Polygon), and this German-language book, : [12]. Only two sources but I guess it's enough... --Mika1h (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of playing cards related anime and manga

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Creator objected to proposed deletion. They provided sources on the article's talk page, but I'm not really convinced by them; one is a YouTube video by Mother's Basement (an obviously unreliable source), another is a BackerKit page for a TTRPG, and yet a third one isn't a meaningful source at all, but just a content tag on CoroCoro's website. The others they linked are at least from sites that could conceivably be utilized in Wikipedia, but they're all mostly discussing Yu-Gi-Oh, with a couple of them mentioning other series in passing mostly in relation to Yu-Gi-Oh. Several of the not-outright-unreliable or user-generated sources here are from WP:VALNET, and most of the rest are just from Anime News Network. The current state of the article is generally poorly sourced, and I don't see the potential state looking much better. It doesn't look like this passes NLIST. silviaASH (inquire within) 00:25, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts, Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, Television, Visual arts, Comics and animation, Anime and manga, Games, and Popular culture. silviaASH (inquire within) 00:27, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 01:10, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: There is no substantial change in the article after the objection from Setenzatsu.2 (talk · contribs). The issue with the user is clearly a WP:IDHT case, and I wonder why they did not receive any kind of sanction after being reported to ANI. Xexerss (talk) 03:08, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From looking at the discussion, it seems to me like they went inactive for a few days and no one followed up on it before the topic got archived. They also never responded to the discussion and didn't edit between May 21st and 25th, so I'd say it was a pretty clear case of ANI flu. Obviously this AfD isn't the right venue to discuss their conduct, but given the quite obvious WP:RADAR issues it should probably be dealt with somehow. silviaASH (inquire within) 05:09, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Just noting first finds: There's a brief comment on the topic in this magazine; Handbook of Research on Teaching Literacy Through the Communicative and Visual Arts, Volume II, p. 254, provides some more serious commentary on card games within anime and manga fandom, although mixed with other activities. Can anyone see if there is something relevant on p. 19 of A Kid's Guide to Anime & Manga? This web article looks at one angle of the overall topic; not completely sure if this is a reliable source. Daranios (talk) 15:26, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manga: The Complete Guide, p. 122, has a sentence of comparison between card games related to manga vs. video games. Trading Card Games For Dummies has a 13-page chapter on trading card games related to anime, manga and comics. Daranios (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be possible to create an article about card-themed anime and manga series (I can't think of a particular title at the moment). The problem is this list article and its poorly sourced and worded content. I don't feel like I'm reading an encyclopedic Wikipedia article, but a Fandom article or something like that. Xexerss (talk) 00:19, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, even if this article topic is notable, I'm not sure a list is the appropriate way to cover it, and I think WP:TNT applies. silviaASH (inquire within) 00:22, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and possibly rename to List of card games related anime and manga or something more simple. As by the discussion above, I don't think WP:NLIST is actually a problem. I also don't think this is a case of WP:TNT, which would mean that nothing here is usable in an encyclopedic article: The introduction needs sources, and then probably a rephrasing in accordance with the sources. But this is primarily a list, so that's a minor issue. The list below could nicely fulfill the purpose of navigation which is one of major reasons to have list at Wikipedia, if non-relevant examples were removed. There's enough blue links here to still constitute a proper list after such a trim. Other examples should in my view only be included if their inclusion can be verified by a reliable secondary source, solving the other issue raised in the nomination. So in total, spelling out an inclusion critereon and implementing it can save this through normal editing, which means deletion is not appropriate in accordance with WP:ARTN and WP:ATD. Daranios (talk) 09:56, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and rename to List of card games related anime and manga per above. ArvindPalaskar (talk) 16:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No actual need for this list. REDISCOVERBHARAT (talk) 13:19, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Editors arguing for Deletion seem unnecessarily focused on the article creator which is not relevant in establishing a subject's notablity. Editors supporting Keep have the right idea by discussing whether or not this article meets WP:NLIST and by examining sources. I'll give editors a little more time to analyze factors that matter and a source analysis would be useful here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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