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Salem El-Margini

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Declined prod. All the sources are databases/results except this one which is a small 1 line mention and insufficient for meeting WP:SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Libya. LibStar (talk) 23:13, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

El-Mehdi Sallah Diab

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Declined prod. All the sources are databases/results and insufficient for meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT. Medalling at Arab Athletics Championships is not considered a top tier competition for meeting WP:NATH. LibStar (talk) 05:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Libya. LibStar (talk) 05:50, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:NSPORT due to lack of IRS SIGCOV. Searching Eastmain's MENA Newspaper database, I see that El-Mehdi was the surname of an Iraqi prime minister, and El-Mahdi was the name of a Sudanese leader. Searching "Al-Mahdi" also finds hits related to the same leaders. I also tried searching the Arabic name but there were no relevant hits in this database. Diab is an incredibly common name also (both as a surname and as a given name), but focusing just on the period of July 1980 in the database also gives no relevant hits either in Arabic or in Roman characters.

I did wonder if this was another case of the name being down wrong, or at least in the wrong order, but it seems Libyan practise to have given-names that are commonly surnames so probably not.

Regarding the Arab Athletics Championships, this is essentially a second-ranking competition compared to the Pan Arab Games.

Is it likely that there would be coverage of this person anyway in Libyan media? Well, at the time Libya was ruled by the Ghaddafi regime, the heavily-censored, state-controlled media of which gave over an awful lot of print coverage to the supreme leader and little to anyone else. So the name might be mentioned somewhere, but the likelihood of significant coverage is not particularly high - and this is assuming that Ghaddafi-era newspapers would count as independent and reliable, which is dubious. FOARP (talk) 09:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is a single Libyan newspaper included in that database? Both the Arab Championships and the Pan Arab Games have about the same number of competing countries (over 20); how do you know the Arab Games are apparently much more significant than the Arab Championships? Additionally, Diab has just under a fifth of all medals ever achieved by Libya at the Arab Championships (4/22); that is very significant for Libya, and something very likely to have resulted in coverage. Fellow Libyan Mohamed Asswai Khalifa received SIGCOV and was a "household name" for a few regional medals (at less significant competitions) – why would Diab not have coverage? Further, a country being under censorship and state controlled media does not necessarily equate to them never covering sportspeople. They're a bit different, but e.g. North Korea, also with significant censorship and state-controlled media, apparently gave a good deal of coverage to their sports around the same time (in a film about the 1960s North Korean football team, one player showed a book full of newspaper articles he clipped on the team). BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are North Korean newspapers independent and reliable........?

Since the answer is "no and no" why would coverage in NK newspapers matter? FOARP (talk) 19:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How are North Korean (or Libyan) newspapers not independent from athletes they cover, and why would they be blanket-unreliable for sports coverage? Of course they're unreliable for politics, but reporting on sports? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:34, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How are state-run, state-controlled, state-censored outlets independent from state employees of state organisations whose job is the glorification of the state you mean? Can we source reports about the 1936 Olympics to the Volkischer Beobachter and Die Deutsche Wochenschau? Do we rely on Pravda and Radio Moscow for coverage of the 1980 Olympics? I certainly hope not.Just to highlight this: the independence requirement is additional and separate to the reliability requirement when assessing notability - propaganda outlets do not indicate the ability of the topic because they are no t free to give coverage to things based on notability. FOARP (talk) 21:09, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The athletes are not employed by the media outlets (if they were, then it'd be non-independent). If Pravda gave decent coverage of a Russian athlete at the 1980 Olympics and the coverage isn't wrong, I see no issue with using its coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:17, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm amazed some people on here (not you @BeanieFan11 - one of the most rational and fair-minded people I've come across on here) don't have their heads explode talking about all this. Wikipedia editors have chosen to deprecate so many sources based on politics. Yes the Daily Mail is right wing but that doesn't mean its football coverage is unreliable, The Sun is dodgy with its celebrity coverage but that doesn't mean its cricket match reports are wrong, the South China Morning Post is pro-Chinese government but its tennis results are accurate, the same goes for so many other media outlets. The blanket deprecation system is plain stupid and unnecessarily limiting. For instance the British tennis player Katie Swan has effectively missed two years due to injury and just won her first singles tournament in her comeback but all the coverage of her injury and recovery is in deprecated sources like The Mirror therefore her bio has a two year black hole and in the future (or even now) people will look at it and think "what happened to her from mid 2023 to mid 2025?" When it comes to sports coverage there should be a separate list of deprecated sources that have been actually proven to be regularly inaccurate in their sports coverage. Shrug02 (talk) 22:08, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marzouk Mabrouk

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Declined prod. The sources are databases/results and insufficient for meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT. I'm unable to confirm if the 5th source: Al Watan Al Riyadi (in Arabic) (N°80 ed.). September 1985, is SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Sport of athletics, and Libya. LibStar (talk) 23:56, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Libya at the 1980 Summer Olympics#Athletics – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 18:15, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]