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Mudeungbyeong

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Contested PROD in 2013. As per the discussion in the talk page (and the Korean Army website here), this is an informal designation, not a real rank in the Korean Army, as can be also seen in Military ranks of South Korea. Coeusin (talk) 12:07, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect to Bing (rank). -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Chen Zhehan

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No sources to support notability Stvbastian (talk) 15:42, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chen Yongrui. --Iiii I I I (talk) 09:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But the article fails basic critera WP:SPORTBASIC. Stvbastian (talk) 02:54, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If every article ever created through passing NBAD gets quick deletion unless GNG is proved immediately, then what's the point of NBAD? BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:49, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After NFOOTY was thrown out, I believe there is little to no point to any of the sport SNGs. All NBAD says is that "coverage is likely to exist". It's not a policy or guideline. Geschichte (talk) 20:04, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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del no coverage. --Altenmann >talk 20:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Noah Vivrette

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I originally nominated this article for speedy deletion [1] which was turned down. I believe this article fails WP:GNG. Apart from three references, all of the rest are TikTok links which are not reliable for sourcing. The other three links are [2] which is WordPress and not reliable and it doesn't seem to mention the subject. I can't link to the next reference as it won't open for me, could be a GDPR thing). The third reference is [3] which doesn't mention the subject. I've carried out WP:BEFORE again (as I did when I nominated for speedy and can't find anything that is reliable or substantive. The amount of followers doesn't confer notability. Knitsey (talk) 22:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No coverage at all found in media, either using the person's name or Postman. Zero hits that aren't social media. Nearly all sources in the article are primary, with 19 being the only one that's even close, but it's not nearly enough. Zero hints of notability. Oaktree b (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.tiktok.com/@postmanforevermore He is a very prominent figure in the right wing scene on TikTok and Instagram. 2600:1700:36B0:2E30:1588:45F1:17EA:43DB (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We need media that talks about him, not simply the platform promoting the streamer. Oaktree b (talk) 01:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Subject does not pass WP:GNG as TikTok cannot be considered a reliable source. The first source appears to be written by the subject and is not coverage. I can't find any references that are both reliable and independent. Nixleovel (He/They) (Talk • Contribs) 23:06, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No I'm not Postman. BlackpillEnthusiast77 (talk) 01:23, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have to scroll down to February 2025 on ADL. It's mentioned in the reference. 2600:1700:36B0:2E30:1588:45F1:17EA:43DB (talk) 01:20, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have to scroll down to February 2025 on ADL. It's mentioned in the reference. 2600:1700:36B0:2E30:1588:45F1:17EA:43DB (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That also appears a trivial mention. Oaktree b (talk) 01:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The list of banned Tiktok accounts, as if that is noteworthy, encyclopedic material, sinks Wikipedia to new lows. - Poof positive (talk) 04:04, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Companion Pieces: Fantasy Furnishing

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A TTRPG product that does not appear to be notable. There is a single short "capsule review" of the product included in the article, but that is not enough to pass the WP:GNG on its own, and searches are not bringing up any kind of significant coverage (or any kind of coverage at all) in reliable sources on either the product or the company that produced it. As the company that made it is also non-notable and has no article, I cannot find any valid WP:ATD for this non-notable product. Rorshacma (talk) 22:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Who are "The Companions" who published this? Is this part of a series? Jclemens (talk) 03:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They seem to have been a small, short-lived company that published a few TTRPG books and accessories in the early-to-mid eighties. But like I said, I had trouble finding any significant coverage on the company in reliable sources - this is just from their listing on RPGgeek. Rorshacma (talk) 06:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Is this a joke? I feel like anyone who thinks this article is worthy of an encyclopedia is actually pranking us. One source. Wow. - Poof positive (talk) 04:07, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy or redirect somewhere. User:BOZ created many similar articles, many are borderline or better notable, but this one has just a single source. That's sadly not enough to warrant a stand-alone article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:29, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kaldor City

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A series of Doctor Who audio dramas. The current article is basically sourced entirely to PRIMARY sources, tabloids, and fan sites, and a search yielded nothing but trivial mentions of the location as mentioned in The Robots of Death, with no actual discussion of the audio drama series. I'd suggest a redirect to List of Doctor Who audio releases#Kaldor City, where these are listed, or a plot summary merge to List of Doctor Who universe creatures and aliens#Sandminer Robots, where the Robots are discussed in-universe. As it stands there is no coverage for this series, and is nowhere near close to meeting the WP:GNG. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 21:55, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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OTT Middleware

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Promotional, sparsely referenced, author refuses AFC review. What refs that do exist fail WP:SIRS. - UtherSRG (talk) 21:19, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm fairly sure the content issues are because the article was generated using an LLM. No comment on the rest yet, may evaluate later. Alpha3031 (t • c) 00:36, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, GPTZero says 100% AI. I should have checked that first. - UtherSRG (talk) 00:55, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

F A Sumon

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:GNG. Sources are all unbylined churnalism, unreliable, or mentions. CNMall41 (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – F A Sumon is a widely recognized Bangladeshi singer with multiple viral tracks and label releases. While the article still needs formatting and additional citations, his notability is evident: his music is released under major labels (G-Series, CD Choice), has over 83M+ YouTube views (e.g., "Ghum Parani Bondhu"), and has been featured on national TV and covered by major Bangladeshi media. These factors strongly support notability under WP:MUSICBIO. I'm open to improvements, but deletion is premature. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SaddamHosenSaad (talk • contribs)

Please do not use AI to generate comments on Wikipedia. You state it has been significantly improved and "no longer warrants deletion" but there has been no improvement since the deletion discussion began. As far as the high-quality sourcing, can you provide links to the specific sourcing you feel shows notability? --CNMall41 (talk) 23:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, please strike through your comments as opposed to amending them. It will throw people off as my question was specific to your original comment, not your amended one. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep The references are not great (very short, almost advertorial) and the Youtube views don't convince me (how many are bot driven), at least the references are about the artist. I would say give this article a few months, look on the Bengali Wikipedia or ask some experts to clean it up and if no improvement is made, another AFD might be needed. There is a possibility that this article can improve, but in order to meet notability requirements, we have to see that the improvement can happen. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:53, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you suggesting !keep as an WP:ATD? If you can show WP:HEY, I would be glad to withdraw my nomination but a WP:BEFORE tells me that no amount of editing can show notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think there would need to be three to five references of a much less dubious standard for me to believe that the notability threshold is clearly met. Right now, things are kind of murky. If that can't be done in a few months, my opinion would change to a delete. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The references seem legitimate, although I am no expert at Bangladeshi music. I don't want to exhibit a Western bias, either. - Poof positive (talk) 04:20, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maninder Buttar

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Non-notable musician, fails Wp:GNG and Wp:NMUSIC.

The sources are mainly unreliable and trivial. Zuck28 (talk) 20:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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MixSingh

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Non-notable musician. Fails Wp:GNG and Wp:NMUSIC. No SIGCOV is available, just passing mentions and routine PR articles for the releases. There are two award nominations as well but both of them are non-notable and just nominations. Also, the article's creator was blocked as a sock and UPE. Zuck28 (talk) 20:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This biography is far better-sourced than most of the other Articles for deletion, and I am opposed to a Western bias of deletion of non-Western topics. - Poof positive (talk) 04:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is an invalid argument. See Wp:WHATABOUT, WP:TDLI,and Wp:POV. Zuck28 (talk) 06:04, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ndjibu N'Golomingi

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 19:55, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Since there isn't a clear redirect target. Svartner (talk) 23:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 03:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Let'srun (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lucien Dirksz

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Subject fails to meet the WP:SPORTSCRIT because of a lack of significant coverage. The references here are all primary and the only sources I could find elsewhere were some mentions like [[4]], [[5]], and [[6]]. none of which establish notability for this subject. Let'srun (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning Keep. A search of Aruban newspapers brings up over 250 stories mentioning him. These include national championships in different sports such as mountain biking and triathlon, and mentions from long after his career such as this. There appears almost certainly enough to write a good article in compliance with WP:NBASIC. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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King's Wood, Corby

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No independent refs on the page. Nothing much else found to suggest notability JMWt (talk) 18:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose. This nature reserve is referenced by Natural England and the Wildlife Trust for Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire and Northamptonshire. It is notable as a designated nature reserve. "Nothing much else found" is a vague criterion for deletion and incorrect as a matter of fact. Dudley Miles (talk) 19:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of those are independent sources. Both are involved in managing/owning the site. JMWt (talk) 20:07, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correction, the Trust manages the site. Natural England is the regulator and the site is mentioned briefly in their database of all local nature reserves. JMWt (talk) 20:10, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have added another independent source. Dudley Miles (talk) 20:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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James P. Howard

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This article seems to cite very, very few reliable sources. In fact, most of its references are self-published sources, such as the subject's LinkedIn profile and many documents uploaded to the subject's personal website. The excessive detail and sole focus on the accomplishments of the subject also makes me feel like it's advertising—the bulleted list of degrees right at the top certainly doesn't help.

As such, I don't feel like this article really fulfills notability guidelines for people, per WP:BIO. I tried looking up some other, more reliable , or even just secondary sources on this subject, and I didn't see any. The subject does not seem to fulfill any of the criteria of WP:NACADEMIC, and certainly just running for delegate once and serving on the Howard County Board of Appeals (a board not even mentioned in any other Wikipedia article) does not qualify this article for notability per WP:NPOL. In general, while I don't have anyway of knowing this, it feels very much like this was written by the subject of the article or someone very close to the subject.

User:Dawkin_Verbier also mentioned similar problems on this article's talk page, including its promotional tone, detail, and use of unreliable sources. Also, I'm not sure it was about the same person, but back in 2007, there was a "James P. Howard" that was speedy deleted for lack of notability.

This is the first time I've ever nominated an article for deletion, so I hope I did everything right and that I'm not completely just off-base! Maptrainguy (talk) 18:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or at the very least needs a complete rewrite. The list of degrees makes it seem like a job application, and i'm not sure what the coat of arms is for. Notaoffensivename (talk) 19:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep — Notability is well-established; article needs cleanup, not deletion

James P. Howard II clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for academics and public figures. His academic output includes several books with reputable publishers, such as two editions of the Handbook of Military and Defense Operations Research (2020, 2024), Computational Methods for Numerical Analysis with R (2017), and Socioeconomic Effects of the National Flood Insurance Program (2016). These are not minor self-published works, but peer-reviewed or editorially curated volumes from recognized presses, reflecting substantial scholarly engagement.

His published research spans topics such as phonetic-spelling algorithms, blockchain systems, and cybersecurity, appearing in venues like IEEE Security & Privacy and the Journal of Statistical Software. This demonstrates consistent contribution to his fields. Additionally, he has received multiple fellowships from professional bodies, including the British Computer Society (FBCS, 2020), the Institute of Mathematics and its Applications (FIMA, 2022), and the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland (FSA Scot, 2025). These are not merely affiliations; they represent peer-recognized standing.

That said, the current state of the article is suboptimal. A recent change transformed the education section into a list-heavy format, likely intended to support inclusion on the perpetual student page. This is not encyclopedic in tone and should be rewritten into a more integrated narrative. Moreover, some biographical material appears to have been removed, reducing clarity and context. These are content and formatting issues, not grounds for deletion. Columbia21044 (talk) 20:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - reads like a puff piece, without much substantial content. From what I can tell, he's a low-level politician who has taught a few classes and written a few books. Clearly fails WP:NPOL, and does not seem to pass WP:NPROF or WP:AUTHOR either. There might be some saving grace combining everything under WP:GNG, but unless there are some unmentioned major awards or heaps of RS praise for his writing or teaching, I can't find it. - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:NACADEMIC, the receipt of selective fellowships from major professional societies is sufficient to establish notability. Howard is a Fellow of the British Computer Society, the Institute of Mathematics and its Applications, and others. These honors are selective, peer-reviewed, and meet criterion #3 under the guideline. That alone satisfies the notability threshold, regardless of whether WP:NPOL or WP:AUTHOR applies. Columbia21044 (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You forgot the second part of that sentence on WP:NACADEMIC, "as substantiated through reliable sources"... that section is completely unsourced, do you have reliable sources to prove his fellowship(s)? - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The subject is listed in the public membership directory of the British Computer Society (BCS), which is available at: https://www.bcs.org/membership-and-registrations/register-of-bcs-members/

He also appears in the public list of Fellows of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland (FSA Scot), viewable at: https://fellows.socantscot.org/members-directory/fellows-public-list/?ind=u&mf=0%3Djames%261%3Dhoward

The third fellowship, with the Institute of Mathematics and its Applications (IMA), does not appear to have a public register. However, the subject's FIMA designation is also referenced within the FSAScot entry, which provides indirect verification from a recognized independent source. Columbia21044 (talk) 21:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, only 3 of the 5 can be sourced? - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:34, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Three fellowships were cited under WP:NACADEMIC #3. These fellowships meet the selective and substantiated test under WP:NACADEMIC. The article needs cleanup, but notability is adequately supported. Columbia21044 (talk) 02:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I am very, very sceptical that any of the fellowships referenced above are enough to meet WP:NPROF#C3. C3 is for fellowships that are reserved as highly selective honours for experts in a field, which are generally elected positions that are limited to a certain percentage of the organisation's membership. It doesn't apply to organisations that have a general membership tier that they call "Fellows". Going through each of them:
- Fellows of the Society of Antiquaries of Scotland - a quote from the president on their website says "Becoming a Fellow is not an onerous task. It’s not for experts. It’s for people to develop their interests and anyone who’s got an interest or a passion for the past is welcome to join and the process of becoming a Fellow is relatively straightforward."
- Fellows of the British Computer Society - has some basic criteria, but appears to just be a paid tier of membership that does not meet the standard of being a highly selective honour.
- Fellows of the Institute of Mathematics and its Applications - again, has some basic criteria, but is just a tier of membership.
- Fellows of the Cybernetics Society - again, just a tier of membership. The title that they reserve as a highly selective honour is Honorary Fellow
- Senior member of the IEEE - multiple AfDs have found that this is not sufficient to meet NPROF#C3, e.g. see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bin Xie (researcher)

I'd also note that it would also be utterly extraordinary for someone to meet the NPROF standard of making a highly impactful scholarly contribution in such a diverse set of fields. This set of "fellowships" in five extremely different fields and the long list of degrees (2 undergrads, 5 masters and a PhD) makes it pretty obvious that this is someone looking for postnominals to put after their name, not someone who is a distinguished scholar in any particular field. MCE89 (talk) 04:36, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Brandt (sportscaster)

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Restored previously deleted article; same concerns (notability, sourcing, etc.) May be AI-generated. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:SPORTSPERSON. I ran the text through a AI detector (which aren't always accurate) and only small pieces of text were flagged. Notaoffensivename (talk) 19:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Seems to have been quite prominent as a broadcaster, see SIGCOV e.g. here, here, here, here, here, here, here, etc. Clearly notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eastern culture

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This article lacks encyclopedic value as a standalone topic and instead functions as a redundant amalgamation of content more appropriately and comprehensively addressed in other, more coherent articles—namely, Eastern world and Culture of Asia. The article begins by describing "Eastern culture" as an umbrella term for the cultural heritages of the Eastern world. However, this is a circular and unspecific definition. It fails to offer any unifying characteristics or critical analysis that would justify "Eastern culture" as a distinct concept separate from already-existing, better-defined topics. The notion that there is "no singular Eastern culture" undermines the article’s own legitimacy from the outset.

2. Duplicates Existing Articles Much of the article either duplicates or superficially rephrases content found in:

Eastern world – which addresses the geopolitical and historical usage of the term "East."

Culture of Asia – which offers detailed breakdowns of the cultural characteristics of specific Asian regions and nations.

The Eastern culture article merely compiles snippets from those two sources (and others like Eastern religions, Asian cinema, and Asian cuisine) without offering original synthesis, structure, or insight. It effectively operates as an indiscriminate content aggregator, not a curated encyclopedic entry.

3. Arbitrary Scope and Selection The article inconsistently and uncritically lumps together an enormous range of unrelated cultural topics—from Zoroastrianism to Russian cuisine to Japanese cinema—under the vague label of "Eastern."

As such, the article engages in essentialist and Orientalist framing by implying a unified "Eastern" worldview without critical reflection or substantiation.

4. Lack of Reliable Sourcing or Scholarly Cohesion The article does not engage with scholarly literature that critically examines the category of "Eastern culture." It relies instead on broad generalizations and outdated colonial binaries (East vs. West), without citation of academic sources that might justify treating "Eastern culture" as a meaningful analytical category in anthropology, sociology, or cultural studies.

5. Structural and Editorial Issues The structure is heavily list-based and bloated with exhaustive catalogs of regional cuisines, cinema, and religion, most of which are already better developed in separate, dedicated articles. The "Traditions" section is particularly problematic, attempting to summarize all cultural production across half the globe with no prioritization, context, or thematic organization. This bloats the article without enhancing understanding. Hassan697 (talk) 17:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Eastern world (reluctantly, since that article has its own problems, but this seems like a likely search term). The Eastern Culture article is a hopeless mess of OR and SYNTH, to say nothing of its dated Eurocentric bias (as nom pointed out). Not WP-worthy. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per WeirdNAnnoyed. Not sure if anything distinct can be added here. THEZDRX _{(User) |}_(Contact) 04:56, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect but I prefer culture of Asia. Since culture whatevers should recirect to culture whatever else. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:12, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gurdaspur District (British Punjab)

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Mostly unsourced, with nearly all of the existing citations being WP:RAJ-era censuses, thus violating WP:NOTDATABASE. Most of the actual prose is duplicated by Gurdaspur district; if necessary, merging as a WP:ATD is an option. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:41, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The article is not mostly unsourced also WP:RAJ refers to the caste system whereas the Gurdaspur District (British Punjab) article does not mention caste at all, there is no reference to behaviour, no stereotypes of people it is in the main about the structure and governance of the old district

The article is about a second level division of British India which at some 4.5 million km² was Britain's largest colonial possession. An article about this is not therefore a random collection of information, Gurdaspur was split in 1947 and its boundaries changed, prior to 1947 it was considered worthy of an encyclopaedic entry and the modern district is different to the previous one.

By way of comparison North-West Frontier Province had its name changed to Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in 2010 and consequently there are two articles, there's also Military history of the North-West Frontier as well as History of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

It's not random information to have more than one article, it's an encyclopaedic method for helping to clarify information and present it accordingly to the reader, you segment the information for a particular epoch which is useful especially when boundaries have changed.

As for most of the prose is in Gurdaspur district, this does not appear to be the case, other editors have updated with more information but I'd say in this case Gurdaspur district#British Raj should have a link that says main article Gurdaspur District (British Punjab). because this article has much more information about the erstwhile colonial district.

Also while it is understandable that colonial era records should not be used to propagate racial or caste theories this does not apply here - also as a comparison I used the Umdat-ut-Tawarikh as a source for the Mir Painda Khan article, the text is quite critical of him but I omitted that and just used the source text to to help with the chronology of what happened. When it came to the Gurdaspur source texts - there was nothing of that nature to omit anyway.

Pahari Sahib 18:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable as legally-recognized political subdivision. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – Colonial-era subdivision that existed from creation of the province in 1849. District was also the most significantly affected subdivision in the province by the Radcliffe Line and partition in 1947. Van00220 (talk) 01:06, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian territories (disambiguation)

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As a disambiguation page, it is not appropriate because it does not clearly indicate which articles it is meant to disambiguate. Does it refer to West Bank areas in the Oslo II Accord, Palestine (region), West Bank, Palestine, or United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine? None of these articles are titled "Palestinian territories."

As a broad-concept article, it contains many dubious statements for which I have not been able to find reliable sources. Hassan697 (talk) 17:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kintsugi (Lana Del Rey song)

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Fails WP:NSONG. No notability on its own. Sricsi (talk) 17:06, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Thin sourcing, one is a review of the song, the other is about the album... I don't see anything else showing notability, not charted, no awards won. I also don't find any sourcing about the song. Oaktree b (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pithoragarh Depot

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Disputed Draftification and AFC Rejection by Grumpylawnchair. WP:DRAFTOBJECT applies. Notwithstanding our function as a gazetteer, references that pass WP:42 are a requirement. No references = no article. Fails WP:V hence WP:GNG 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 12:38, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, none of these sources, nor any that I've been able to locate, pass WP:SIRS; this entity is non-notable. No objection to redirect to Pithoragarh § Transport as a possible ATD. Bobby Cohn 🍁 (talk) 13:59, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete WP:LLM garbage. Even if notable it needs a TNT to make it workable. Jumpytoo Talk 17:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Jumpytoo, I went ahead and cleaned up the article; perhaps you may want to revisit your !vote for notability. — WeWake (talk) 09:08, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the sources in the article do not establish notability, and I am also unable to find any more reliable sources. The depot is not notable. Meadowlark (talk) 02:19, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Meadowlark, coverage is not in English language - see my !vote for better search terms. — WeWake (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Are standards for "bus depots" similar to railway stations or stricter? The former, to my understanding, is OK with sufficient verifiable information (to write an article) for it to be in mainspace. If there are fewer/no concerns around notability, I can attempt a full re-write; otherwise, it'll be a wasted effort. WeWake (talk) 21:04, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the comment "LLM garbage" got my attention since LLMs can generate fake refs that look good. I checked all of these refs; none are fictitious LLM creations. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 22:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or Merge (Pithoragarh § Transport): The depot is a critical part of public transportation infrastructure in the state of Uttarakhand (pop. ~12 million) and provides connectivity to neighboring states; has long-range bus services. Issues with the service, depot, as well as infrastructure update is regularly covered in news due to impact - search for "पिथौरागढ़ डिपो" to get coverage for notability and verifiability concerns. I've also cleaned up the article in the meantime to address concerns with un-encylopedic nature of it. WeWake (talk) 09:14, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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J.S.S. Academy of Technical Education, Noida

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Cannot be salvaged with a merge. Lacks any coverage by third party outlets. Heavily relies on primary sources. Huge chunks are so simply copy pasted Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 22:30, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sudip Misra

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Fails BLP. Promotional article without reliable sources. B3251_(talk) 16:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Fellow of the IEEE and the Association for Computing Machinery are both enough to pass WP:NPROF#C3. His citation record also looks like a pass of WP:NPROF#C1. MCE89 (talk) 17:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep WP:SK3 for the same reasons as MCE89. Note that WP:PROF notability is not based on depth of independent sourcing. SK3 because the nomination does not even address the appropriate notability criterion, WP:PROF. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:59, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peace Iced Tea

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Lack of sourcing to demonstrate notability as a product. Fails WP:MILL Andy Dingley (talk) 16:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge - into the Monster Beverage article, Monster is a very much a notable company, being part of the Coca-Cola umbrella. Since this is a Coke product, it is notable, but not notable enough for it's own page. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 17:00, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If it's still a current Monster brand, then I'd be happy with that. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It still is, in fact, it's already arrived onto those Freestyle Coca-Cola machines, if you've seen those before. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 21:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

V (programming language)

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I can't find any significant coverage in a reliable source about the subject. Betseg (talk) 15:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Abhimanyu Shammi Thilakan

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Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. No significant coverage and most sources are non-bylined churnalism, mentions, or otherwise unreliable. Previously deleted A7 and G11 under Abhimanyu S Thilakan. CNMall41 (talk) 04:42, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Marco (2024 film): Appears to fail GNG. Also WP:TOOSOON for NACTOR. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

,*Keep Pass WP:GNG.Sync! (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC) Sock now blocked. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

On which sources do you base that assessment?--CNMall41 (talk) 18:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bengali Modernist Literature

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See WP:NOPAGE. The article has nothing that hasn't been already covered in Bengali literature. Capitals00 (talk) 03:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The topic is not completely covered in the Bengali Literature page. For example, the States of the India page only shows the Indian states and their capitals, but another page is needed for detailed discussion of those states.

For example, there is a description of Sangam literature in Tamil literature, but there is a separate page for Sangam literature for its detailed description. So please remove the deiltation tag. पांडेजी की बिकिपीडिया (talk) 06:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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keep Gumlau (talk) 17:04, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Peter Murnik

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I cannot find evidence that this person meets our notability criteria, whether that's WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 02:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:NACTOR through roles in Rowing Through, Granite Flats, Justified (TV series) and Vanishing Point (1997 film) and/or because of his prolific career as character actor. The guideline indicates: "Such a person may be considered notable if:The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.")--Artus Sauerfog Dark-Eon (talk) 17:29, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you're discounting the words "may be considered notable" (my emphasis). Unless my searching is completely off-base, I can find no reliable sources that I would think meet the criteria set at GNG.
- Setting that fundamental problem aside, nearly all of Murnik's roles have been of the minor variety; Granite Flats is the exception. For example, I was surprised to see Vanishing Point in that list. His role was evidently so minor that he isn't named a single time in the (lengthy) Wikipedia plot summary, nor is he one of the six characters called out in Variety's review (the prose, not the cast list). Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 07:08, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  Even if your assessment was correct, that would leave us with 3 significant (not minor) roles, at least, which, despite your nomination statement, would be enough for WP:NACTOR#1, and prolific contributions, which corresponds to WP:NACTOR#2. As for GNG vs NACTOR, your own rationale indicates whether that's WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR, so that it seems you consider (and rightly so) it is enough for a subject to meet the requirements of one of the guidelines, not both. I am off the grid and therefore away from Wikipedia, so please do not consider my subsequent lack of response to potential replies has any other meaning whatsoever. Artus Sauerfog Dark-Eon (talk) 13:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - My point was that unlike many of the other sections in NBIO, NACTOR uses the word "may". So we can disagree over NACTOR and your definition of a "significant role", but they still have to meet GNG. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 17:34, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2025 Jacobabad railway track blast

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I propose this article for deletion due to lack of notability and no coverage in reliable, independent sources. It documents a minor incident with no casualties or confirmed damage, and has no lasting media attention. According to ChatGPT Zero, the content is 97% predominantly AI-generated. The article fails to meet the General Notability Guideline (WP:GNG) and lacks encyclopedic value. Alampe (Talk – Edits) 13:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I am not knowledgeable of ChatGPT Zero's credibility, but I will assume it is probably correct based on the short length of the article. ~~Refs 2 and 3 do not load, however the references others do.~~ I will wait for further opinions before deciding on a vote. 11WB (talk) 15:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correcting my previous message, refs 2 and 3 do load, they just took longer on my end. I am unsure whether this event is notable enough, however I am probably steering toward delete at the moment. Whether the earlier incident this year makes it notable, I'm not yet sure. 11WB (talk) 15:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Replying to myself again here, to a comment I made regarding ChatGPT Zero earlier today. Having tested various samples of text from AI only, human only and human polished by AI on the website, I can say I'm confident with its ability to detect LLM generated text and will be using it going forward.

This article in question comes back as 73% for AI, which leaves me with real concern. 11WB (talk) 19:13, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The author denies using AI, although admits using ai before. Doug Weller talk 17:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Room for Abuse 2006

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Doesn't seem to have received significant coverage, should be deleted or merged into Room for Abuse. Smallangryplanet (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Room for Abuse although I am doubtful even that has recieved significant coverage Nixleovel (He/They) (Talk • Contribs) 13:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Desecration of Akbar's tomb

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The first source is from 1925, and provides around 2 paragraphs of coverage and it also doubts the veracity of desecration of Akbar's body[7]. The second source is from Indian news website and authored by a non historian who is merely rehashing the same myth same issue with the third source, Ahmad, Aziz (1964) only mentions this incident in passing[8]. Dwivedi, Girish Chandra (1989) provides a page worth of coverage (See [9]). John F Richards(2001) also provides a few lines of coverage and doubts the veracity of this incident. [10] This topic is therefore not notable and its historicity is also doubtful. Rzvas (talk) 10:54, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I have changed my vote to delete on the basis of information brought up by User:TheSlumPanda Nixleovel (He/They) (Talk • Contribs) 13:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:MUSTBESOURCES is an invalid argument. Koshuri ^(グ) 16:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. The description for this incident in scholarly sources is almost nil. It is mostly covered by the pro-Jat sources aiming to engage in caste glorification. Agletarang (talk) 17:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Notable event. Multiple reliable sources present but need to be written in encyclopaediac toneTheSlumPanda (talk) 17:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC) [reply]

You must cite those sources here. Make sure they are relevant when it comes to WP:GNG. Koshuri ^(グ) 18:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I am changing my vote to delete. On examining the editing history of the page, it was created by a blocked user. TheSlumPanda (talk) 07:38, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but needs rewrite. Notaoffensivename (talk) 18:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The event itself is of questionable notability and pretty much all the sources failed WP:RS.Ixudi (talk) 19:04, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per nom. Historically dubious event that finds no significant coverage in sources. Koshuri ^(グ) 03:37, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Cannot find any WP:HISTRSs to verify the notability of the subject. THEZDRX _{(User) |}_(Contact) 04:58, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Till, der Junge von nebenan

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Only IMDb ref on the page, nothing much on the page to suggest notability. Our colleagues at de.wiki do not offer anything else although their page is longer. Maybe there are offline sources which someone could use to write a properly sourced page but as it stands this seems unlikely to meet our notability standards for inclusion. JMWt (talk) 10:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Show Me the Money (British game show)

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Most of the refs on the page are broken, I'm not seeing a way to WP:V the claims with acceptable reliable sources, never mind meet the inclusion criteria. JMWt (talk) 10:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I can't find any reliable sources for the claims in this article Nixleovel (He/They) (Talk • Contribs) 13:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NASA reentry prototypes

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Can't find a single reliable source discussing these "top secret" prototypes, or anything that can confirm their existence at all. If they did indeed exist, they don't seem to be notable enough for their own article. Yiosie 2356 09:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No way to WP:V the claims. Nixleovel (He/They) (Talk • Contribs) 13:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. NASA was formed only in 1958, so they couldn't have done anything in the 1940s. Also very little is secret in NASA itself. There was work ion very high altitude balloons in the 40s and 50s that was related to space, but these have proper articles like Project Manhigh, Project Excelsior, Operation High Dive, and Project Mogul. This specific article has no sources, is not verifiable, and is wrong in stating NASA was doing anything in the 40s. Fulmard (talk) 18:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish-Syrian Border Clashes (1938)

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Deprodded without improvement. The one current source which can be searched produced zero in-depth coverage of this subject. Searches also turned up zero in-depth sourcing about this. As it stands, there isn't enough sourcing to pass WP:VERIFY. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure)‎ Nixleovel (He/They) (Talk • Contribs) 13:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Udo of Neustria

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Article does not show notability and a google search could not find any additional sources. Nixleovel (talk) 00:52, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Look at the German article. Try searching "Udo of Lahngau" (article should possibly be moved there). His name is spelled "Uto" in Goldberg's Struggle for Empire. Donald Jackman's books make many references to him. Plenty of sources if you know how/where to look. Srnec (talk) 00:16, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Srnec. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:58, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jorden Feliciano

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This was PROD'd. Changing to AfD for greater input. The prod reasoning was "Doesn't pass GNG, assistant coaches usually dont get page without GNG. refs are all just casual mentions" RedPatch (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- I basically wrote this article, but I concede the argument that it's of limited notability. (Sorry, I guess I got a bit too completionist.)

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DTDC

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WP:ROTM company. Sources are routine business announcements and WP:NEWSORGINDIA. ShawMindMiner (talk) 09:32, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep: See wp:BEFORE. Zuck28 (talk) 20:58, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MSV International Inc.

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Sources are passing mentions[11], primary sources[12] or sources where they aren't mentioned at all[13]

The "notable projects" for the Worldbank seem to be (but correct me if I'm wrong) local projects where they made a bid for the project but it was awarded to another company???[14][15]

All in all, I couldn't find reliable sources about the company itself, only passing mentions in the context of road projects in India. Fram (talk) 09:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nathaneo Johnson

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No coverage beyond his fundraising; not notable. - The9Man ^Talk 09:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As per nomination. Fails Wp:GNG. Zuck28 (talk) 20:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ashish Vijay

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Promotional with not much coverage to meet WP:NBLP. - The9Man ^Talk 08:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep despite the fact that the page needs some serious work, removal of advertising content and minor editing, the person himself is quite significant as a player in the luxury jewelry industry in the MENA region. In particular, Ashish Vijay is a major player in the world's largest precious stone auctions.--Gavek check (talk) 09:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Ashish Vijay has been a UAE resident and has been recognized by Entrepreneur Middle East, Arabian Business, Forbes as one of the Indian Icons shaping the retail sector of the United Arab Emirates. The page does need more serious work however he does play an important role in the precious stone industry across India, UAE and globally. Trusted Sun (talk) 13:16, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you by any chance related to Ashish Vijay? How do you know all this? What’s your source for this information?Zuck28 (talk) 06:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: No secondary reliable sources are available. All the sources are either paid articles or press releases without any byline and WP:SIGCOV. Clearly a puff piece. Zuck28 (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There is a high possibility of UPE and COI. Given the votes and previous AFDs, I recommend salting as well to further prevent recreation. Zuck28 (talk) 20:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: My source analysis from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ashish Vijay still stands. Almost all of the sources are either written by staff or sponsored. Fails GNG Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:21, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

France national football team results (1920–1959)

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Unlikely search term, no idea why we need to inform people that these years are split over two articles. We can then also create disambigs for 1904-1959, or 1920-1999, or any other possible such combination from Category:France national football team results. As far as I can tell, it's not as if this existed but has been split, unlike France national football team results (1921–1959) which has some history. Fram (talk) 08:49, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Note from page creator: I have no objection to moving the content of France national football team results (1920–1959) to France national football team results (1921–1959), followed by deletion of the 1920-1959 page. As Fram said, it has some history: a split. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 08:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with Fram, unneeded disambiguation page. Govvy (talk) 09:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Per above. The content has already been properly organized. Svartner (talk) 19:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - totally unneccessary disambig. Giant Snowman 08:17, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

BKEX

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I don't see it in mainstream media apart from crypto sites. Forbes mentions it, but only in the context of malpractice. Since we have a lower tolerance for crypto related articles, I think this one doesn't meet the requirements. - The9Man ^Talk 08:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keith (gamer)

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Fails WP:BIO. The sources cited are reliable but limited to routine coverage of the seasons. This player did not achieve any significant results during his career; no individual titles nor top-three finishes with a team he played the majority of the season's games with (he contributed a few losses to Cloud9's second-place regular season finish in 2019). My argument for deletion is therefore: the coverage in independent sources is trivial and the player has not done anything notable. Yue🌙 07:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Rangu (film)

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Fails WP:NFILM, needs 2 reliable reviews. A WP:BEFORE yields 100% unreliable sources per the Indian cinema taskforce:[16] [17]. DareshMohan (talk) 06:25, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is completely a non-notable article. No significant coverage and how can an article survive with a single reference only.Almandavi (talk) 09:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Telugu films of 2018. --Eva UX (talk) 16:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Super Sketch

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Fails WP:NFILM, no reliable reviews needed to establish notability. Time for a bad pun: it is super sketch that this article exists. The entire article banks on the fact that it has 2 foreign actors, which isn't enough information for a separate article. Only things found in a WP:BEFORE is [18] [19] [20], which has the same content as The Times of India sources. DareshMohan (talk) 06:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Telugu films of 2018. --Eva UX (talk) 16:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2025 Georgia Meteor Event

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WP:NOTNEWS. Point 4 of WP:EVENTCRITERIA - Routine kinds of news events, whether or not tragic or widely reported at the time – are usually not notable XYZ1233212 (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ Move to draft. All that the newspapers are saying right now is "this happened". WP:TOOSOON rtrb (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify and rename. This was big news in multiple states. Let’s see if there’s any more coverage in the next 6 months. —A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 12:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Fair point, this might turn into something eventually. Revising my answer. rtrb (talk) 13:21, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The eventual name should probably be something like "2025 American meteor event" or "2025 Southeastern United States meteor event" since this was not exclusive to Georgia. Also there's the Georgia (country) vs. Georgia (U.S. state) issue to consider when naming. A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 17:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: Saw this on my feed today. I believe an article at this time is WP:TOO SOON. Returning to draft will allow time for more potential coverage and information to come out. 11WB (talk) 20:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suraapanam

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Fails WP:NFILM. Only has 1 reliable review and 1 routine press release about the teaser release. Other review deemed unreliable by the Indian cinema taskforce [21] [22]. A WP:BEFORE found nothing of use: [23] [24]. DareshMohan (talk) 06:08, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Telugu films of 2022. --Eva UX (talk) 16:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anthaku Minchi

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Fails WP:NFILM. Only has 1 reliable review. Other review deemed unreliable by the Indian cinema taskforce [25] [26]. A WP:BEFORE found nothing of use: [27]. DareshMohan (talk) 06:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Telugu films of 2018. --Eva UX (talk) 16:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Koran Jakarta

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This article does not meet WP:Notability in general and the sources that discuss it are very minimal, almost nonexistent. It is not the same as The Jakarta Post and this article has been deleted on idwiki as well. ▪︎ Fazoffic _{( ʖ╎ᓵᔑ∷ᔑ)} 05:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Solstice Coil

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBAND. The article relies heavily on primary and niche fan sources. There is very little significant coverage from reliable, independent sources that give any in-depth discussions of the band. They have never been signed to a major record label, their music has never seen any chart success, and there is no clear historical significance of the band, therefore they do not meet the standard of substantial, independent coverage required to establish notability. Magatta (talk) 05:31, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - the Hebrew Wikipedia article, סולסטיס קויל, cites two Ynet articles.^[28][29] --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 05:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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LearningRO

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Couldn't find anything in independent reliable source. Appears to be promotional article at the hand of public relations editing account. Fails WP:NORG after a quick WP:BEFORE check. Graywalls (talk) 05:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - The subject appears notable as its unique application of AI in education, mainly the ethical restricyion of avoiding off-topics and direct answers in tutoring. It has been covered in online tech/startup sites such as indiehackers and also has a working platform. It is worth of improving through adding more sources or removing poor sources/information than deleting. Gavin Buchan (talk) 11:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Speedy candidate. Nothing I can find comes close to WP:ORGCRIT. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Nicole Crystal George

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Not supported by reliable and significant sources. Obvious UPE. Fancy Refrigerator ^(talk) 05:06, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Wow this is PROMO. Nothing found in Gnews, not listed in Gscholar. I don't see this person as a notable academic. There are no book reviews to show AUTHOR notability, the business career is promotional. I don't see any sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:13, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete clear promo Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 01:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ascendance of a Bookworm light novels

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Same issue as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Ascendance of a Bookworm chapters. Does not pass NLIST, and without the chapter names this would easily fit into the main article. Remove those and merge back. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:36, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Future West

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Not notable, no significant coverage TheLoyalOrder (talk) 03:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not notable; finding anything via google is difficult. GalStar (talk) 04:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Shore Action

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Not notable, no significant coverage. All of the sources on the page currently are either primary sources or very minor mentions, google didn't bring up anything either TheLoyalOrder (talk) 03:42, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Agreed. Plus the article reads like a promotion piece by politicians. 2404:4400:412A:DB00:B9F0:8EAB:2180:BDDC (talk) 21:37, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Change the NZ Flag

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Not notable, no SIGCOV TheLoyalOrder (talk) 02:54, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lawley Pharmaceuticals

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promo of nn pharma. No independent coverage. I started cutting the fluff off, then noticed that someone else last week cut it in half already, and concluded that a more drastic handling is due. --Altenmann >talk 20:41, 12 June 2025 (UTC) ([reply]

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Weak Keep Aside from the promotional information that I have already eliminated, I find the topic to be significant. I believe it satisfies the criteria of WP:GNG. CresiaBilli (talk) 06:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I do not see non-primary sources with significant coverage to satisfy GNG. --Altenmann >talk 07:06, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VAGUEWAVE, WP:SOURCESEXIST. You have not identified any actual coverage. One of many throw away boilerplate !votes from this individual. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not add comments (WP:VAGUEWAVE) at afd without any analysis.. As I mentioned in my vote for "Weak Keep," there are not a lot of resources available on the web. On the other hand, I have made an effort to locate references that might offer more waitage in order to satisfy Notability Standards.. [30], [31], [32], [33], and [34]. CresiaBilli (talk) 05:54, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Press release, Comment from company, comment from company, passing mention, passing mention. Nothing helpful there. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete - most of the sources are primary. Bearian (talk) 10:16, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - really per duffbeerforme. There's one credible study involving Androfeme, but nothing on the company itself that would satisfy GNG. -- Euryalus (talk) 12:06, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Society of Television Lighting and Design

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1 of the sources is its own website, this one appears to be advertorial. Unable to find SIGCOV to meet WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 01:30, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Agree with LibStar, delete. GalStar (talk) 05:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

LLM aided design

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Disputed draftification. WP:DRAFTOBJECT applies. If this is notable, it needs WP:TNT ~~because it cannot be divorced from its creation by AI.~~ Wholly inappropriately sourced with unreliable sources, fails WP:V, which is a key tenet of Wikipedia. Previoulsy sent to draft with the rationale While not conclusively AI-generated, the writing style, structure, and tone are consistent with LLM-assisted authorship. It likely had human curation or editing layered on top of content produced or scaffolded by a large language model. Further, the references are almost all deprecated sources. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 08:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Timtrent author @Manvi jha13 came onto IRC Live Chat asking for assistance with this. They've repeated the article was not created with AI: they state they are pursuing a PHD in this topic so wrote the draft as an academic essay instead of an Wikipedia article. Have given guidance, and assuming good faith. qcne (talk) 09:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@QcneThank you so much for your message.

@Timtrent, thank you very much for taking the time to review my draft and for providing your feedback — I sincerely appreciate your efforts.

It is rather intriguing to see the draft being marked as AI-generated again. I have stated in my talk page for the article and would like the opportunity to clarify again that no content of the given page has been generated by AI. The AI tools have been used for vocabulary suggestion, but in no case for text generation. I believe that given the academic use and exploration of the topic, along with the fact that I am a PhD student mostly engaged in academic writing, gives the article a similar tone, which I have tried to improve since your suggestions. Please do let me know if there are any additional areas/sections/perspectives you would suggest for me to improve on.

Additionally, I have noticied that you have reservations regarding the citations? I believe all the citations are academic publications. Please let me know if and how I can improve them.

Thank you,

Manvi Manvi jha13 (talk) 09:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manvi jha13, in reference to your claim on Talk:LLM aided design that "The use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement", could you please disclose in full detail the extent to which you used an LLM to generate the article, including the content, section headings, references, and formatting? Additionally, could you please disclose the name and versions of the AI tool(s) that you have been using to edit Wikipedia, as well as whether you are using those tools to author your comments in discussions like this one? — Newslinger talk 20:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Newslinger

When I state that "the use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement," I am referring specifically to minor assistance such as suggesting synonyms or checking for spelling and grammatical errors (ChatGPT-4o). Importantly, no AI tools were used to draft or generate any content or contextual material.

Additionally, I want to clarify that AI was never used in drafting or contributing to any discussions or comments. I reaffirm that at no point was AI employed to generate new text or ideas, thereby eliminating any concern regarding hallucinations or the reliability of the content. Manvi jha13 (talk) 20:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manvi jha13, you made the edit Special:Diff/1296403283 to the article within the last hour. How did you generate the references and the citation code that you added into the article? — Newslinger talk 20:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean generate references? They are the papers I have read, most of them are initailly made available on Arxiv and later published via conferences or journals. Why would it be difficult to find them?

As for citiation code, it is a rather starightforward format one can write it themselves, in any case to simplyfy my work, I wrote a small python script that takes bibtex format citaion and converts to wikipedia style. This helps reduce manual effort, and ensures consistency. I’ve made sure all included sources are verifiable and meet the reliability standards expected here. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:04, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger, My apologies, I missed to ping you in my response, please refer to my reply above. Thank you in advance. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If the citation code were generated with a Python script, it's not clear why the code would use plaintext instead of normalized citation templates such as {{Cite journal}}, or why it would mix wikitext formatting with Markdown formatting (which is not used by Wikipedia).

This article exhibits too many characteristics of LLM-generated content to remain in article space. I am unconvinced that "The use of AI was limited strictly to very occasional language refinement" when the the very first revision (Special:Permalink/1294545580) already shows heavy signs of being LLM-generated, including the excessive use of lists and the idiosyncratic use of title case that are associated with AI chatbots. Draftify, and the draft should not be moved back into article space without going through the Articles for creation (AfC) process. — Newslinger talk 21:45, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger

Thank you for your feedback. I don't understand why a python script would be limited to citation template, it would be able to take input and produce results based on how I program it. So I respectfully but completely disagree with this claim of yours.

Additionally, as I already stated, the use of ChatGPT was restricted to the use for checking grammar and spelling errors. To highlight the procedure goes like- I write a draft -> I pass it to ChatGPT with a prompt asking to fix any spelling or grammatical errors in the given text and just use that. This procedure in no way known to me generates new text. Additionally, in order to clarify again, this is the topic I am working on for PhD, the academic tone and style (including the usage of lists and detailed descriptions) is thus a result of the same Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have the version of your draft before you processed it with ChatGPT? — Newslinger talk 21:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger

Thank you for your question.

I would not have the article as a whole but yes I can get all the paragraphs I processed through the ChatGPT history. Would you like samples or screenshots (or other methods you deem satisfactory for proving, since that is what we are doing here)?

Honestly it is a bit intriguing to see how intolerant the Wikipedia community is of the academic community and their writing style. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you could provide the pre-ChatGPT content in text form on the article talk page, Talk:LLM aided design, that would help establish that the article is not LLM-generated and also help editors improve the article by having your original writing available to reference.

The Wikipedia community appreciates the academic community in general, but many Wikipedians have a negative view of LLM-generated content. On Wikipedia, articles are expected to conform to the Manual of Style, and LLM-generated articles almost always deviate from the style guidelines in much more distinct ways than the average new editor would.

To clarify my previous comment, I did not say that a Python script would be limited to generating citation templates, although I do find it unusual that your script converts citations to "wikipedia style" by partially outputting Markdown instead of using a normalized citation template format. — Newslinger talk 22:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Newslinger

Thank you for your feedback.

Sure I can add pre-ChatGPT text for reference, just to clarify, do you expect the entire article or a few paragraphs would be enough?

Additionally for the python script, I do not use any libraries, my script simply takes the BibTex(easier to extract from), extracts details like paper name, author name etc.. and simply arranged them in a template I give. The template is the one I found to be the best fit for my scenario, it can be heavily varying from the general trend but I don't think that should be an issue? Manvi jha13 (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you are able to post the entire pre-ChatGPT article, that would be preferred as it would be most helpful to all interested editors. For your citation script, I highly recommend revising your script template to use Wikipedia's Citation Style 1 templates to ensure that it consistently meets Wikipedia's citation style guidelines. — Newslinger talk 22:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Newslinger

I have added a sample in the talk section of the article. Please refer to it for context. I decided not to include the entire article, as I did not want to create a lengthy and potentially cluttered post there. However, if you still have any reservations about the use of AI in the article based on the example provided, please let me know.

Additionally, I found the article WP:CHATGPT, which clearly states that using AI to refine text is acceptable, as long as the content does not involve hallucinations, inaccuracies, or unverifiable claims. Given that the text in this article has been thoroughly reviewed and all sources are properly cited, I would like to ask if you have identified any instances where this might have been an issue? Manvi jha13 (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Manvi jha13, don't worry about your disclosures resulting in a "lengthy and potentially cluttered post", as the content you post on Talk:LLM aided design will certainly be within Wikipedia's page size limit. You can organize your content by wrapping any section(s) of it between the {{Collapse top}} and {{Collapse bottom}} templates to prevent any clutter. It shouldn't take long to post the entire pre-ChatGPT article, as you have already indicated that you have access to your ChatGPT logs. I'm requesting the disclosure of the entire pre-ChatGPT article because the information provided so far, frankly, does not convince me that the article is not LLM-generated. There are multiple paragraphs within the article body that lack inline citations, which is a serious concern with respect to WP:CHATGPT § Risks and relevant policies. — Newslinger talk 21:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Thank you Qcne. I think that must be interpreted as Manvi jha13's opinion that it should be kept. This does not address the lack of WP:V in the nomination. I will accept their assurance about AI generation in good faith and strike that part of the nomination. It has now been drafified twice, which is one more time than DRAFTOBJECT allows. I do not feel it may be returned to draft space without a full consensus under these circumstaces, crcumstances whcih we would not be in without unilateral moves to mainspace (allowed, but unwise in this case). It may, however, be spared that via WP:HEY. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 10:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As nominator I have no objection to consensus based draftification, though I would prefer an assurance that, if sent back to draft, the creating editor will submit for review and work with the outcome of that review and any further iteration. That might be a closure condition, in an ideal world. [[If WP:HEY has happened pre closure then it shoul dbe retained. If I am notified I will consider withdrawal. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 21:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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@Timtrent

Thank you very much for your thoughtful feedback and suggestions. I have revised the article accordingly. The updated version no longer includes arXiv or other non–peer-reviewed sources. I hope these changes help improve the article's quality and bring it closer to Wikipedia's standards for verifiability and reliability. Manvi jha13 (talk) 20:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Draft: is the best option. Unfortunately, it's nearly entirely sourced to arXiv articles, which are not reliable sources. Pre-prints, meaning they've not been peer-reviewed yet. Once they get published, they would have to then show reliable sourcing. This article is also perhaps a bit too technical for a general audience. Needs a rewrite and better sourcing at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
or let it incubate offline and submit it for the AfC review. This wouldn't pass as is anyway. Oaktree b (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Article should be improved, then in the longer term merged with AI-driven design automation. This is another new page, with a more general overview (not all AIs are LLMs). Both pages have issues, but the topic is surely worth keeping. LouScheffer (talk) 20:44, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @LouScheffer,

Thank you so much for your valuable review. I would greatly appreciate your guidance or suggestions on how the article could be improved.

While AI-driven design automation does involve hardware design, it is fundamentally different from LLM-aided design. AI-driven automation typically refers to techniques like MLIR or the use of Bayesian optimization and supervised/unsupervised/reinforcement learning to improve stages of the design process. However, its scope is generally limited to optimization rather than generation.

In contrast, LLM-aided design focuses on the ability to generate descriptions, code, and even complete designs from natural language input; something beyond the capabilities of traditional AI-driven automation. This distinction, I believe, is key to understanding the scope and novelty of LLM-aided approaches. Manvi jha13 (talk) 21:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TNT Are sure this entire article is not LLM generated? It has a weird, unencyclopedic promotional tone. InvisibleUser909 (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (with no shade intended to User:Manvi jha13): I am interested in the assertion, "The AI tools have been used for vocabulary suggestion, but in no case for text generation." Vocabulary is part of text, and suggesting it entails generation, does it not? I am interested because part of my day job is to teach writing courses, and I often hear from students things like, "I didn't use AI. I only used <LLM-based app> to <do writing-related thing>." Again, with no shade to Manvi jha13, it seems to me that the definitions of terms such as AI, LLM, and generate are currently unsettled. This is something that might eventually be mentioned in this or a similar article (though, of course, only after it has been discussed in reliable secondary sources). Cnilep (talk) 01:21, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Cnilep

Thank you so much for your feedback and interest in the topic. I'd like to offer some insights based on my understanding and research into LLMs so far.

To the best of my understanding, it would be considered "text generation" in the context of Wikipedia if the entire article or part of it were artificially created, which could potentially lead to false information or hallucinations (a known risk even with the latest LLMs). However, when the use of an LLM is solely for refinement purposes- such as improving grammar, suggesting synonyms, or rephrasing sentences- it's comparable to using a thesaurus tool or the inbuilt features in MS Word/Grammarly that flag grammatical issues and suggest more suitable word choices. In my view, this does not lead to the generation of entirely new or potentially inaccurate information.

Many people are opting for AI tools over MS Word or Grammarly because they can save a lot of time in the writing process. However, after reflecting on the depth of the discussion on this page, I'm starting to wonder if that time saved is worth it! Manvi jha13 (talk) 02:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd stick to the old-fashioned stuff, Manvi jha13. It doesn't take a lot more time and using it develops writing and vocabulary skills. Old-fashioned tools like thesauruses, Grammarly and your brain are much more reliable.

Wikipedia editors are becoming increasingly wary of any LLM material being used on Wikipedia since it's still unreliable. Of particular concern for us, LLMs tasked with generating an article will produce an impeccably formatted list of footnoted references which turn out to be either inapplicable or just plain made up; that's the kiss of death for Wikipedia's reliability. So if someone senses you're using LLMs, it develops trust issues. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:44, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I checked all the article's references and verified that almost all existed (one or two links didn't work for me). All were at least somewhat relevant (I am not an AI expert so "somewhat" was as close as I could figure). All but the several non-peer reviewed refs already discussed above came from very reputable sources such as the IEEE and the ACM. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:50, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per my comments above. I'm no AI expert so I can't say for sure but I suspect we've got a really good article. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 21:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dinu Andrei Popescu

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Created by a single-purpose account, who's attempted to create this article since 2021. Article clearly lacks coverage from reliable sources, and some appear to be either self-published or from unreliable sites. Subject fails WP:NJOURNALIST. CycloneYoris ^talk! 01:09, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Delete per nom, in toto. Perhaps it's also time to propose that the account be banned if this is continued disruptive behavior, or, if it's new accounts, page protection to prevent this from being something that has to be rehashed every time someone decides to create the page. Foxtrot620 (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete — utterly promotional nonsense. — Biruitorul ^Talk 06:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sagar Shah

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Unable to find any independent coverage, as almost all of the sources are either interviews or passing mentions in unreliable or unbylined sources. Not enough to meet WP:GNG. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 12:58, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Snow keep. Interview sources are more than fine. There are plenty of them: e.g. [35] [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41] Sportsfan77777 (talk) 14:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, it's completely absurd to think this person might not be notable. They founded the most successful chess journalism / media company ever, and are one of the most well-known media figures in chess. The nominator lacks the WP:COMPETENCE to be familiar with the subject and did not put adequate effort to look for sources. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 14:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sources from chessbase.in are WP:SPS, and thesportzplanet.com, perlenvombodensee.de, and fountainink.in are more like blogs with little or no editorial oversight. To clarify, ChessBase has existed since 1986 and the Indian version was only co-founded by him. Claiming that “they founded the most successful chess journalism/media company ever, and are one of the most well-known media figures in chess” reflects your bias and is not policy based. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 15:02, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, Perlen vom Bodensee is not just a blog, [42], it is a very reliable source, also trusted by de-wp, for what it's worth. - Squasher (talk) 13:18, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please double check? Because from what I see, the only author who consistently writes on Perlen vom Bodensee is Conrad Schormann, who is also the founder. Six articles were written by Stefan Löffler and a few by Roland Neumeier. The translated DE wiki article states that "The site's editor is Conrad Schormann, who is supported by a team of 18 authors.", which I believe is misleading based on what I’ve seen so far and the fact that the article has very few edits also doesn’t help its reliability. In any case, having a page on DE wiki doesn’t automatically make the source reliable, especially since the standards on EN wiki are significantly higher, which I believe you already know. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 15:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing to add or to check. I saw the article this afternoon by chance and also the the AfD, with a comment I did not completely agree and just wanted to leave a note that might help. The source is viewed as reliable in de-wp by the chess portal, if you do not agree, that is fine for me. Sagar Shah is at least in my eyes a relevant topic for someone like me, who follows chess purely from an interested viewer point of view. He is very well known in the chess eco system, in de-wp he is notable already just by having reached the IM title. If he doesn't meet the criteria here, because no sources can be found, that are seen as sufficient, so be it. - Squasher (talk) 20:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Yuquanying

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Non-notable intersection. In attempting to source this article, I was unable to find any valid sources about this particular intersection, much less anything that would contribute to notability. Garsh (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. It seems odd to me that the article is focused on an intersection. Isn't Yuquanying a major road, not just an intersection? (There seem to be many articles about the road and building complexes on the road via Google News.) Cielquiparle (talk) 19:08, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, no evidence of notability and I couldn't find sources to pass WP:GNG. Suonii180 (talk) 09:05, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no indication of notability. Jeepday (talk) 11:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Yuquanying Subdistrict. The Chinese name here is 玉泉营, which seems to refer to a variety of topics in that area, but I think all can be covered at the main subdistrict article. That article could be expanded with this source, which covers the history of the area in depth, though its reliability could be debated [43]. Toadspike [Talk] 11:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Sources have been added, focus has been expanded to mention Yuquanying's 800 years of history as one of the 18 floricultural villages of the Fengtai district of Beijing before becoming the site of a major highway intersection and overpass. (OK I'm still in the process of untangling how best to cite and/or edit that section, which could still take several days as I try to work on other things.) Sincerely appreciate the pointer to the administrative subdistrict page provided by Toadspike (not to mention their spirit of investigation which is what makes these geography AfD puzzles interesting), but the modern administrative subdistrict article can remain separate from the Yuquanying article about the history of the village since the Jin dynasty. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:01, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have mixed feelings about this – I considered expanding this article, but decided that Yuquanying Subdistrict, an article about a populated place, is more suitable for this information. I don't mean to be rude, but you have effectively hijacked this article and changed its topic to one that we already cover elsewhere. Toadspike [Talk] 09:56, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The 800-year history of the village of Yuquanying, where there is now also a highway overpass, is not covered at all in the current article about Yuquanying Subdistrict, which focuses on an administrative region established in 2021. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:18, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can only have one topic claiming notablity per GEOLAND on this, and here it should be the legally-recognized subdistrict. Of the three sources you link, the first is about the subdistrict, the second lists Yuquanying among other subdistricts like Majiapu Subdistrict and some places that don't seem to have legal recognition, and the third is a mathematical analysis of traffic at the intersection that doesn't actually tell us anything about the intersection. I am not convinced this shows the need for a split from the main subdistrict article. Toadspike [Talk] 10:42, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, we can still keep looking for more sources; those were just indicative and as I said, it's still a work in progress. The first source actually leads with the modern Yuquanying subdistrict but the third paragraph is about the historical village of Yuquanying and its 800-year history as a flower town. The second source is interesting because it references the historical (centuries-old) concept of the 18 villages of Fengtai district, which is discussed elsewhere in books and suggests a fruitful line of research, and also provides more context about the floricultural history of the region. (Actually not sure what to do with "Beijing Yuquanying highway" in the third source; not even sure if it's actually about the actual intersection or overpass. Is it? Very unclear from looking at the article.) Anyway Wikipedia is full of multiple articles about the same geographic location. We could easily keep splitting this article into sub-topics and at minimum, Yuquanying would have to be retained as a disambiguation page. (And yes, you are correct: it is more polite to assume good faith per WP:AGF.) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:51, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge: per Toadspike, I don't see a convincing argument for keeping both Yuquanying Subdistrict and Yuquanying, the history part of this article, which I guess was added post-nom, can be put in the subdistrict article and this can redirect there. Moritoriko (talk) 09:43, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not even clear that the administrative region is geographically in the same place as the old village! In fact, it subsumes several old neighbouring villages, possibly. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:50, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Chinese geography and naming is a bit outside my wheelhouse, but would you say it is likely that the name of the subdistrict was chosen because of the old village? Doing further research on the "18 villages of Fengtai" is not showing me much of anything either, perhaps that information should be put in that article instead. Moritoriko (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is exactly the kind of assumption that leads to misinformation on Wikipedia, particularly with regard to geographical history. Every claim made on Wikipedia should be verifiable per WP:V. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is why I am asking you if this is true, and doing it in the AfD instead of putting it in the article. I'm not going to put unverified information out there >( Moritoriko (talk) 05:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. At minimum, this discussion could be closed as no consensus and if other editors seriously want to pursue a merge discussion, they can start one, though I remain unconvinced from the arguments made above that the now significantly expanded and referenced Yuquanying (covering the 800-year history of Yuquanying village and the surrounding area through the early 21st century) should be merged into the Yuquanying Subdistrict, an article focused on the governance and boundaries of a modern administrative region that was created in 2021. Also, WP:HEY. Cielquiparle (talk) 07:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Going through the sources added since my last comment here:
- [44] mentions Yuquanying market once, among a list of others. Not SIGCOV.
- [45] mentions that a segment of the Beijing–Kaifeng highway starts at the Yuquanying interchange. Not sigcov.
- [46] is about the local government of Yuquanying Subdistrict, which already has its own article.
- [47] Two photos of Yuquanying, with captions that tell us nothing about the place. Not sigcov.
- [48] mentions Yuquanying Flower Market among a list of others, alongside its opening hours. This is not sigcov; often such coverage promoting businesses/events is also not considered independent.
- [49] is a passing mention, not sigcov, though it does provide the interesting factoid that the Yuquanying Flower Market was "[Beijing's] largest potted flower wholesale market" at the time (in 2003).
- [50] is a government report on a fire at a business (玉泉营环岛家具城, 'Yuquanying Roundabout Furniture City'), not really about the town.
The article Yuquanying Subdistrict doesn't have to meet the GNG because it meets NPLACE, but we can't make the same carveout twice for the same place. I remain unconvinced that we need two separate articles and strongly stand by my original position that these articles should be merged. Toadspike [Talk] 14:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The claim that "We can't make the same carveout twice for the same place" is not policy – it actually demonstrates a lack of familiarity with the broader landscape of Geography and History articles across Wikipedia. Wikipedia is vast though, and there is no deadline, so I would recommend joining up with more WikiProjects where you might get exposed to a larger volume of articles. (I find my own perspective changes all the time, the more I read and the more I edit and the more I participate across different WikiProjects.) Cielquiparle (talk) 04:42, 23 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Yuquanying Subdistrict. The subject passes WP:GEOLAND, but there's no reason to have two articles about the same subdistrict.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:07, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How do we know they are the same geographic coordinates? The problem is, we don't. It's the highway in particular, which was the genesis of this article, which I'm uncertain actually is located within, or managed by, the administrative subdistrict itself. The ancient village itself was likely also only a subset of the modern Yuquanying subdistrict, which now subsumes many neighbouring villages as well. Anyway, I think it's pretty clear this discussion is essentially ending up as no consensus and that the merge discussion should continue separately if needed outside of AfD, with proper evidence rather than casual AfD !voting. Cielquiparle (talk) 18:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iron Man's armor (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

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This article was created as a split from Iron Man's armor in other media that was later merged back to Iron Man's armor following Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iron Man's armor in other media. There's no reason for the Marvel Cinematic Universe to be separated from Iron Man's armor anymore. Both articles are short enough that after merge they'd be within WP:PROSESIZE, and the Iron Man's armor contained a lot of unreferenced plotcruft that I recently removed (effectively the 'in other media' stuff). While there are sources that talk about how Iron Man looked in various movies, there's no reason to split this - it's also doing a disservice to the readers, most of whom will end up at the main IMA article and not see the good content in the article here; the Iron Man's armor article now has a tiny, one sentence section on IMA in other media, stating that "Iron Man's armors feature prominently in several films set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe." It should be replaced with the content of this article. I fail to see how the movie-universe armor has separate stand-alone notability versus its basic concept, and why it couldn't be merged. There was a discussion of this previously at Talk:Iron_Man's_armor#Merge_from_Iron_Man's_armor_(Marvel_Cinematic_Universe), but most comments were pretty much "just votes" with no meaningful rationale, IMHO. Anyway, as far reasons for deletions, I want to reiterate that this article is a bad WP:CFORK of dubious stand-alone WP:GNG that failed both in the past and now the logic of WP:SIZESPLIT. The fate of Iron Man's armor in other media was decided at AFD, the fate of the article that was split out of it should follow suit, given the failure of merge discussion to produce meaningful rationales (WP:NOVOTE). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Merge as per nomination in toto. This doesn't seem to be well served by a bifurcated page. Iron Man's armor is Iron Man's armor whether it's in the MCU or on Mr. Rodger's Neighborhood. A single page increases the likelihood that a user will find what they are looking for. That being said, I am not entirely convinced that the wardrobe of any character justifies it's own Encyclopedia entry, but that's another discussion for another page for another day. Foxtrot620 (talk) 01:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep: There was just a months-long discussion opposing a merge, and any proposed deletion would result in content from this article being merged into the comics article. The MCU version of the Iron Man armors have enough significant discussion about how they were made for the films that are distinct from the comics article. If this article were to be merged anywhere, I would suggest Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe) as a more appropriate avenue, but AfD is NOT the place to try and force a merger just because it was recently rejected with consensus against a merge. I'm sure this article can be expanded to include commentary about the armor designs from the films, if that is a concern. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 01:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this is as legitimate as any other "(Marvel Cinematic Universe)" topic because the expansive world of MCU films and television series (and even tie-in comic books) presents a distinct vision from the original comic book material, and has its own distinct coverage. With respect to Iron Man's armor in the films, for example, there are details about both the practical costuming and the CGI rendering that are irrelevant to purely comic book versions. BD2412 T 01:24, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I will ping participants of the discussions merged here: @RemoveRedSky, InfiniteNexus, Maxwell Smart123321, Trailblazer101, The Squirrel Conspiracy, Andrew Davidson, Hako9, Johnpacklambert, Favre1fan93, Dream Focus, Darkknight2149, TTN, BOZ, and Rorshacma:. I was going to do it from the nomb but got distracted. Sorry. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:53, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have no memory of any previous discussions I've been involved in regarding this subject, but if I had to guess, I found some version of the article via a bot-maintained list of articles by highest count of non-free files, and tried to get that number down. I did a lot of that with superhero articles. In terms of the article as it stands now, even from a quick glance it's in remarkably good shape compared to a lot of articles I've seen in the area. Should that have any bearing on this discussion? Probably not. Just pointing out that I've seen my fair share of impenetrable lore dumps and this article has such things as formatting and citations, which those were thin on. @Piotrus: I'm not upset at all that you pinged me, but feel free to skip doing so in future DRs. It's been many years since I was involved in writing Wikipedia articles and I doubt I'll have much to offer in DRs going forward. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:04, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@The Squirrel Conspiracy You were the nominator of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iron Man's armor in other media :P _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:21, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. This is largely plot summary and nothing more, and I'm not seeing any SIGCOV, either from the keep votes or in the article, regarding this subject. I see no reason for a separation here, and the notability of the armor in the MCU is Wikipedia:NOTINHERITED from the notability of the armor elsewhere. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 02:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Trailblazer. The film version is independently notable because of all the real-world production information available (design, practical suits, VFX, etc.) and cramming all of this into the bottom of the comics article would be silly. If the comics article is barely holding itself together then why not merge it to Iron Man? - adamstom97 (talk) 07:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as best summarised by Trailblazer and adamstom97. Maxwell Smart ¹²³³²¹ 13:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect/Merge as content fork. There is already an article for Iron Man's armor, let alone Iron Man (comic book) and Iron Man and Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe). This covers much of the same content with minimal unique coverage added. I appreciate the keep !votes who are open to finding an appropriate target, per WP:ATD and WP:CONSENSUS. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:44, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nomination. This is a content fork that does not demonstrate adequate sources to justify having a separate article. The concerns about the article size is easily solved by only merging the notable, well sourced examples and not the copious amounts of non-notable examples and trivia. While either the nominator's proposed Iron Man's armor or the subsequently suggested Tony Stark (Marvel Cinematic Universe) would be appropriate merge targets, I personally feel that the latter would be the better choice. Rorshacma (talk) 17:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I would prefer to see it expanded to other powered armor concepts rather than merged to a single character. BD2412 T 00:02, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  @BD2412 We have Exoskeleton_(human)#Fictional_depictions and a rather not impressive List of films featuring powered exoskeletons... We probably need Exoskeleton (human) in fiction. Right, @TompaDompa. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:56, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Trail and Adam. This is a legitimate split of content that was adding undue weight to the comics' armor page when it was created, and by far has it's own notability to justify its existence. And as per Trail, additional work can be done to add more information about the real world creations. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:46, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But after cleaning unreferenced plot fancruft from the comic's armor page, it has plenty of room for that. And it's hardly undue there. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:57, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Riaan Manser

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Promotional article about a person with one source that reports on the WP:SINGLEEVENT. The rest is unsourced puffery. No longstanding WP:SIGCOV. ZimZalaBim ^talk 03:52, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per nom. A long article based on a single source seems problematic. Svartner (talk) 08:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Spragg, Iain (2014). "Manser's African Odyssey". Cycling's Strangest Tales: Extraordinary But True Stories. London: Portico. pp. 110–111. ISBN 978-1-909396-49-4. Retrieved 2025-06-21 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "That's a hell of a lot of pedalling if you were to undertake the epic journey on a humble bicycle, but such trifling obstacles did not deter South African adventurer Riaan Manser when he decided to accept exactly that daunting challenge, an ambitious expedition which very nearly killed him. Manser set off on his trusty mountain bike from Cape Town in September 2003. He averaged an impressive 88.5km (55 miles) per day and after two years, two months and 15 days in the saddle, travelling through 34 different countries, he had become the first person to circumnavigate Africa on two wheels. ... Manser's feat was recognised when he was named 'Adventurer of the Year' by Out There magazine in 2006 and granted an audience with Nelson Mandela. He politely declined an offer to work for the Liberian Tourist Board."
2. Razzetti, Steve (2010). Great Cycle Journeys of the World. London: New Holland Publishers. p. 15. ISBN 978-1-84773-463-1. Retrieved 2025-06-21 – via Internet Archive.
  The book notes: "Riaan Manser from Cape Town went one better. In September 2003 he set out on his mountain bike to ride the whole way around the continent. Two years, two months and two days later he was back, having pedalled an incredible 36,500 km (22,680 miles) through 34 counties, lost 14 kg (31 lbs) in weight, learned French, Portuguese and Arabic, eaten monkeys, rats and bats and been kidnapped by child-soldiers in Liberia. The journeys described in the pages that follow may not be quite as epic, but they will certainly open your eyes to the wonders of this most wonderful of continents."
3. Simontacchi, Andrew V. (2014-06-18). "World renowned adventurer Riaan Manser makes stop in Great Kills Marina after 5-month row across Atlantic (with photos)". Staten Island Advance. Archived from the original on 2025-06-21. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
  The article notes: "That's been the reality for Riaan Manser, a renowned world traveler and self-proclaimed professional adventurer whose five-month, 5,000-mile rowboat trek from Morocco to New York City included a stop at the Atlantis Marina in Great Kills on Wednesday. ... The long-haired, long-bearded Manser, 40, was hanging out with Ms. Geldenguys in their home one day when they decided they would venture to New York City in an incredible way -- via rowboat. Without a support staff, the couple set off in December, with a portioned supply of food and water donated from a South African grocer. ... Manser is a traveling author and public speaker outside of his professional adventuring"
4. "SA adventurer Riaan Manser and his wife Vasti were stuck on a small boat together for 173 days – What they learnt could help you through lockdown". News24. 2020-04-13. Archived from the original on 2025-06-21. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
  The article notes: "In 2009 Riaan Manser set on a world first when he became the first person to circumnavigate Madagascar by kayak. The expedition lasted 11 months, a feat he achieved alone and unaided. The incredible 5000km journey, 5000 km, was demanding, both physically and mentally. Not only did Riaan have to overcome severe loneliness, but natural disasters, extreme weather conditions, and ten hours in saltwater wreaked havoc on his body. ... Four years after his solo trip, Riaan and his wife Vasti took on the waters of the Atlantic Ocean. They endured a 173-day expedition from Agadir, Morocco to New York City, USA. ... In 2018, Riaan was joined on his 7-metre rowing boat, by rowing rookie and a total stranger Fanafikile Lephakha for a 5500 km expedition from the Canary Islands to Barbados which would last nearly two months."
5. Kilgannon, Corey (2014-06-21). "Adventurous Couple Arrive in New York From Africa, Merrily, Merrily". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2015-11-09. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
  The article notes: "Riaan Manser and Vasti Geldenhuys, a fun-loving couple from Cape Town, have been together for 14 years, so when Ms. Geldenhuys, 36, suggested a vacation, he was agreeable. ... Mr. Manser, 40, is a professional adventurer who, without Ms. Geldenhuys, a lawyer, has traveled the perimeter of Africa on a bicycle and around Madagascar and Iceland by kayak. So he suggested that the two row a boat from Africa to the United States, with no accompanying vessels. They completed that journey around 2 p.m. on Friday, rowing their custom-built, 22-foot, high-tech rowboat into the 79th Street Boat Basin almost six months after leaving Agadir, Morocco, on Dec. 30. After rowing almost 6,700 miles, they claim they are the first pair to row from mainland Africa to mainland North America."
6. "Riaan Manser – Do something almost impossible". The Newspaper. 2023-06-05. Archived from the original on 2025-06-21. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
  The article notes: "First, it was Riaan Manser, alone and unaided…cycling the entire perimeter of the African continent, then circumnavigating Madagascar in a kayak and similarly around Iceland in a double kayak, adding two more incredible world firsts to his name. He then met his adventure partner for life, Vasti. Together, they broke world records through their adventures; from a world-first ocean row – Africa to North America, and then earning another Guinness World Record during a subsequent ocean crossing – the fastest mid-Pacific row from California to Hawaii."
7. Monakali, Namhla (2024-10-01). "Renowned adventurer Riaan Manser captivated primary school learners with thrilling tales from his travels". People's Post. Archived from the original on 2025-06-21. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
  The article notse: "Manser, whose children’s book My First African Adventure, was awarded the overall winner of the SA Book Awards 2023, spoke to the Grade 3s to 6s about his remarkable adventures, including a journey cycling around the perimeter of Africa. ... After the talk Manser signed copies of his books, including My First Wild Island Adventure and My First African Adventure, for students and staff alike."
8. de Lange, Phil (2023-05-16). "Riaan Manser's brush with death". Smile 90.4FM. Archived from the original on 2025-06-21. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
  The article notes: "He’s known as the South African that has conquered the world’s toughest oceans and most hostile environments. But now Riaan Manser is about to take his whole family on an adventure. He told Ryan all about it this morning and also shared a story about one of his scariest adventures. First, it was Riaan Manser, alone and unaided…cycling the entire perimeter of the African continent. Then he circumnavigated Madagascar in a kayak and Iceland in a double kayak which added two more world firsts to his name."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Riaan Manser to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:39, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Pirated movie release types

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Fails WP:NLIST, largely original research and what sourced material does exist within the article is sourced to unreliable sources. Previous AfDs were just a WP:VOTE without actual policy debate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: It's very informative. 2804:38A:A03C:FC45:340D:BFFF:FE2C:5120 (talk) 19:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC) — 2804:38A:A03C:FC45:340D:BFFF:FE2C:5120 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep: 2603:7000:8800:EE11:6D92:F6D9:CF13:FA06 (talk) 23:45, 6 June 2025 (UTC) — 2603:7000:8800:EE11:6D92:F6D9:CF13:FA06 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Keep: I also agree that it is very informative. This article provides encyclopaedic value by documenting terminology and release patterns that have been widely used and referenced in digital media communities for decades. While improvements in sourcing and structure may be needed, the topic itself is verifiably notable through its sustained use in torrenting platforms, piracy-related discussions, and tech journalism. Deletion appears to be motivated, at least in part, by ideological opposition to the subject matter rather than a neutral assessment of whether this information is citable and informative. Wikipedia’s purpose is to document what exists in the world—not to legitimise or condemn it.— SBWalkerP (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 21:02, 7 June 2025 (UTC) (UTC).[reply]
I am not sure where in the nomination one would find "ideological opposition to the subject matter". If you are implying this is due to edits outside of the discussion, that is a WP:ADHOMINEM personal attack. You have also not provided sources as evidence for your claim it is notable. WP:SOURCESEXIST is not a viable argument. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It’s clearly an LLM-written vote ꧁Zanahary꧂ 19:20, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: We can probably combine all of this into Online piracy. -OXYLYPSE (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into Online piracy. May be informative but Wikipedia is not a guide. मल्ल (talk) 04:07, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I'd argue that this does comply with WP:NLIST. Release types are defined standards complied with by major scene groups - this topic is notable enough to have several papers written that discuss release groups and standards. I absolutely agree with you that new sources need to be found and that this article needs to be rewritten, but deletion isn't the way to go and I don't see a merge as able to do it justice. Manwithbigiron (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)— Manwithbigiron (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Agreed; keep. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:32, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that all of this should be somewhere - my main concern with merging would be that this would put undue weight on film piracy. It's probably one of the most common things people think of when they think of online piracy, but it's not the only version. Plus if someone were to find sourcing for the various other versions of say, online piracy of books, music, video games, and so on, sections of this nature would quickly overwhelm the article. I agree in that it's probably better to keep this stuff on a separate page, to keep the main online piracy page a bit tighter. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 00:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Third party sources, article is sourced. Looks decent. as stated above the article provides encyclopaedic value by documenting terminology.BabbaQ (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Blast from the past, but what are the sources which treat these as a group? Just starting with the basics, I did a search for '"cam" "telesync" "screener" "dvdrip"' and found no reliable sources. Yes, each might be verifiable on its own, but we need WP:NLIST. It's challenging in that (a) most of this relates to online piracy culture, and few reliable sources treat that with the nerdy depth this list goes for, (b) this stuff was most popular 20 years ago, so there's a lot of link rot in play. It's certainly possible sources exist, but I'm not seeing them. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 12:42, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure this should be an article of its own, but Online piracy is clearly full. Shockingly the page Movie piracy is a redirect so I suggest that an article is expanded at that link and then this is merged into that article. I think this content is worth keeping and Manwithbigiron has found some quality sources that can serve as a base. The current article name and contents need some cleaning up, its not 2007 wikipedia anymore. Moritoriko (talk) 03:23, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for now per Moritoriko. Should meet NList as pirated movies are clearly notable as a whole (with classifications discussed by Manwithbigiron's sources) though I agree that this seems like it'd be better off merged with a future Movie piracy article. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:32, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I want to note that keeping in the current state is not what I support. Moritoriko (talk) 22:08, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My !vote is for merging eventually. I would've made my bolded part "merge" after starting a basic Movie piracy article myself, but there's so little information on Wikipedia anywhere that I don't know where to start. Aaron Liu (talk) 22:28, 26 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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East German Republic Day Parade of 1988

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From my contested PROD: Unsourced and non-notable military parade in East Germany. Fails WP:GNG as there is no significant coverage in english or german. Fails WP:EVENT, unlike the 1989 parade, as there was no lasting effect and no significant impact. LightlySeared (talk) 00:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 02:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vitor Gava

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Article does not show notability and a google search could not find any additional sources. Nixleovel (talk) 00:48, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – I found a good coverage about him in the youth sectors of Vasco da Gama (2009) [51], but as a professional just a note on his return to EC Noroeste in 2017 [52]. Svartner (talk) 01:30, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:19, 22 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for now as it doesn't pass WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Fade258 (talk) 01:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Montague Road, Adelaide

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Fails WP:GEOROAD. Insufficient sourcing with government map layers, google maps. LibStar (talk) 00:33, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Makoura Keita

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Declined prod. Only sources are database or results listings. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:30, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Attending the Olympic games a single time, without any notable achievement does not an encyclopedic article make. Considering the only other notable achievement seems to be 39th place in their sport at the 2019 African Games (I use the term notable here in it's loosest possible definition), and nothing since, this seems like a completely irrelevant article. Foxtrot620 (talk) 01:19, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep Quick search shows she was unanimously elected president of Guinea's athlete commission in 2022, almost certainly more significant sources with a deeper search. Kingsif (talk) 09:48, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded a bit, from youth to post-career, and it seems clear from the already-found SIGCOV (in local sources) that she's considered one of Guinea's best athletes. Kingsif (talk) 10:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per expansion from Kingsif, this subject meets the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 14:21, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Kingsif. 🟥⭐ ^{talk to me!} 16:51, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Clearly notable. I question the amount of WP:BEFORE being done on these mass noms. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:58, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:GOODFAITH. Let'srun (talk) 17:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If someone is making mass nom after mass nom and again and again there's ones that are proven notable, how long are we to assume that an adequate BEFORE is being performed? BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:19, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you have behavioral concerns about the nominator, there are other places where that could be discussed. Respectfully, I don't think this is the place to discuss that. Let'srun (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even AGF, this was a declined PROD and there's two or three additions to the Delsort/Olympics list every single day. I'm just gonna say that doing BEFORE doesn't require a potential deletion nominator to improve the article with what they find, nor to find more than just enough to suggest GNG is likely. I think that gets forgotten. Kingsif (talk) 21:06, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Subject with demonstrated notability during this AfD. Svartner (talk) 23:05, 27 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]