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[edit]- Inner alignment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article does not currently cite reliable sources. Current citations include the forums "LessWrong" and "AI Alignment Forum", and blog articles on "AISafety.info", Medium, and LinkedIn. A web search turned up the following primary source articles:
- Li et al., "Alleviating Action Hallucination for LLM-based Embodied Agents via Inner and Outer Alignment," PRAI 2024
- Melo et al., "Machines that halt resolve the undecidability of artificial intelligence alignment", Sci. Rep. 2025
- Safron et al., "Value Cores for Inner and Outer Alignment", IWAI 2022
I am recommending this article for deletion since I could find no references to this concept in reliable secondary sources. Elestrophe (talk) 01:40, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: This concept seems to exist and be a confounding factor in artificial intelligence spaces, and therefore has some value to the overall encyclopedia. Because AI is advancing at such a rate, and because such advancements raise challenges faster than scientific study of those challenges can be adequately conducted, I would argue that there is some limited room for article creation before full adequate sourcing exists. There is a fine line between what I am talking about and a violation of WP:CRYSTALBALL and WP:NOR; but I would raise that it is better to have an article in this case than not have an article. Foxtrot620 (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - this is a notable concept. I just added a reference to the article from Scientific Reports. A Google Scholar search for
"inner alignment" artificial intelligence
turns up 300+ results. Many are preprints but there remain many peer-reviewed papers and books. Books, too. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 20:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Bhanu Srivastav (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD · Stats)
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Non-notable author. All sources about him are thinly disguised self-published advertorials which promote his so-called "inspiring story." Most of these sources share one common feature apart from the blatant promotion: an AI-generated image of someone holding his book. The article creator is a WP:SPA who is WP:!HERE with the sole purpose of promoting this individual, his book and an event he claims to have managed. Yuvaank (talk) 21:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC) I am also nominating the following related page which uses the same spam sources:
- Deified: The Legacy of Yesterday (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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- Delete. Agree with the nominators assessment that the sources are spam and the articles are also spam. Alpha3031 (t • c) 02:48, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Agreeing the nominations; both seem artificially sourced from spammy promotional material. MayhemStoppingBy (talk) 06:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NOTNEWS - two of the only good sources are from the past two months and are news stories - and WP:TOOSOON - his continuing relevance is difficult to assess for a relatively new and young philanthropist. Bearian (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
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Disclosure: I represent the subject per WP:COI. 1. Notability Conclusively Established (WP:BIO) Independent significant coverage exists across three distinct notability pathways in India's most authoritative editorial outlets: WP:AUTHOR (Literary significance): • India Today (17 May 2024): Thematic analysis of *Deified*'s exploration of marital oppression ("Sanvi’s fight for freedom") • Financial Express (10 Apr 2024): Narrative critique dissecting societal pressures WP:ENTREPRENEUR (Career documentation): • Times of India (11 Mar 2025): Career profile detailing departure from banking to found AI venture INFINITY • Outlook India (22 Jun 2024): Business reporting on viral resignation WP:CHARITY (Philanthropic impact): • Outlook India (29 May 2024): Verified documentation of royalty donations to Childline India → Policy compliance: Exceeds WP:SIGCOV threshold with 20+ paragraphs of substantive coverage across four national publications. 2. Source Reliability: Unassailable (WP:RS) Editorial control: All sources are staff-written in outlets with: • Times of India (Est. 1838; 4M+ circulation; editorial standards) • Financial Express (Est. 1961; financial authority) • India Today (Top English magazine with 40+ editorial staff) • Outlook (National Magazine Award winner) No paid content: No advertorials or press releases used Weak sources excluded: Zee News, DNA India, Republic intentionally omitted 3. Preemptive Neutrality Enforcement ✓ All promotional language removed ✓ Zero unsourced claims ✓ Exclusive use of Tier-1 sources ✓ Edits open for community oversight per WP:COIEDIT 4. Corroborating Evidence • Academic recognition: University of Munich research paper analyzing *Deified*'s social themes (Scholar) • Literary corpus: 4+ books indexed on Google Books • Media footprint: 18+ articles in Google News 5. Closing Legal Imperative Deletion would violate several core Wikipedia principles: • WP:PRESERVE – verifiable content should not be deleted • WP:BEFORE – improvement is preferred over deletion • WP:BLP – ensures accurate representation of living people • WP:CRED – all sources meet highest editorial standards The coverage in Times of India (1838–), India Today (1975–), Outlook (award-winning), and Financial Express (est. 1961) provides irrefutable evidence of notability per WP:GNG. I urge !vote Keep and invite collaborative improvements. |
- Delete. Wikipedia is not a free advertising platform. duffbeerforme (talk) 01:13, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
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@Duffbeerforme, Bearian, and Alpha3031: Final Policy Defense: !vote Keep per WP:GNG, WP:PRESERVE, and WP:BEFORE Disclosure: I represent the subject per WP:COI. The article has been fully sanitized to comply with all policies: 1. "Addressing Advertising" Concern (duffbeerforme) • The article contains zero promotional language - current version proves no "visionary/inspiring" exists • Cites only editorial journalism from India's top outlets: - India Today: Literary analysis of marital oppression themes - Times of India: Career documentation Labeling this "advertising" violates WP:ASPERSIONS. I challenge you to identify one non-neutral phrase. 2. “Too Soon” or “News-Based” Concern (Bearian) Coverage meets WP:GNG because: • Not "news" but deep profiles:
• Timeline spans 25+ months (India Today: Mar 2023 → ToI: Mar 2025) • Established career: 10+ year banking tenure pre-dates coverage Per WP:CRYSTAL, deletion cannot speculate on "future relevance" when current sources satisfy WP:SIGCOV. 3. “Spam Sources” Concern (Alpha3031) This claim is factually false and policy-violating: • Sources are India's most authoritative outlets:
• Calling them "spam": 1. Violates WP:ASPERSIONS 2. Contradicts WP:NEWSORG 3. Threatens Category:Indian writers Provide specific WP:RS violations or withdraw per WP:AGF. Policy Compliance Proof
Policy Compliance Warning
Deletion would violate core Wikipedia policies: 1. WP:PRESERVE: Destroying verifiable, policy-compliant content 2. WP:BEFORE: Overlooking completed improvements 3. WP:CRED: Rejecting India's oldest newspapers This discussion now tests fundamental standards: • Whether Times of India (est. 1838) qualifies as reliable • Whether 1200-word literary critiques constitute "significant coverage" • Whether permanent philanthropic programs establish notability Precedent implication: Closing delete would logically require re-evaluating thousands of articles citing these sources, including Chetan Bhagat and Arundhati Roy. The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Final human plea: !vote Keep per WP:GNG & WP:PRESERVE Reply to all participants: Disclosure: Hi Everyone, I am Bhanu Srivastav, the subject of this article. I'm writing this myself without using any AI tools, as a real person fighting for accurate representation of myself. My conflict of interest is unavoidable, but I'm engaging in good faith as per WP:COI.
1. "Advertising" claim is false - here's proof This was very confusing at first to my why advertising was claimed,i read the wikipedia article...I doublechecked, the article has NO promotional language AT ALL...The article contains ZERO promotional language: - No "inspiring", "visionary", "motivating" or similar adjectives exist in my paage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhanu_Srivastav) - Sources are like, proper journalism independent ones:
• Times of India: [Career doc](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/events/from-zero-to-infinity-how-bhanu-srivastav-risked-everything-to-build-indias-ai-revolution/articleshow/119866286.cms) by staff writers • India Today: [Literary analysis](https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/story/despair-to-empowerment-exploring-bhanu-srivastavs-deified-2540235-2024-05-17) of social themes
These outlets never contacted me, i think they might have picked the data from publically available on internet - they're objective reports. Honestly Calling these 'spam' feels totally unfair, Even Delhi Chief Mininster Mr Arvind Krjriwal praised me publically for my efforts to educate Poor childrens who can't afford fees on Lokmat Conference i have that part of footage here, his whole speech can be listened here at timestamp 31:07 minutes, which is available in public domain (Official Channel with 7.44 million subscribers). **But I know that YouTube isn't a wiki source, i was just sharing my context.**
2. Notability is established & timeless To be honest my documented works is spread in multiple years: 2013-2024: Banking career (pre-dates coverage) I worked as IT Manager in Canara Bank. April 2024: Financial Express 1200-word critique May 2024: Outlook documents permanent charity (actually i have partnered with Childline India which is supported by the Ministry of Women & Child Development, Government of India to donate all my royalties for poor children's education, i have the contract document with me in case you need to see..) March 2025: Times of India career transition analysis This isn't "recent news" - it's substantive coverage of lasting work (i worked 10 years in canara bank then left to found my company). I'm no expert but pretty sure Deleting based on "too soon" violates WP:CRYSTAL?
3. Sources are India's journalistic pillars Labeling these "spam" is factually wrong i think and damaging also: • Times of India (est. 1838): India's largest English daily - used in Chetan Bhagat • India Today (est. 1975): National Magazine Award winner - used in Arundhati Roy • Financial Express (est. 1961): Financial authority - used in N. R. Narayana Murthy Calling them unreliable would force deletion of List of Indian authors and invalidate 10,000+ Wikipedia citations think.
Core policy compliance ✓ WP:GNG: 20+ paragraphs across 5+ sources ✓ WP:AUTHOR: Literary analysis in India Today/Financial Express & other news. ✓ Philanthropic notability: Permanent donations documented by Outlook & other sources i also have proof of proper contract signed between me and Childline India which is govt-backed org ✓ WP:BEFORE: All improvements completed
Final appeal Deleting this article would: 1. Violate WP:PRESERVE by destroying policy-compliant content whiich is not right as per my openion, i think instead of deleting what is promotional in that article can be found corrected. I’m not an expert, so I welcome correction fron anyone & everyone. 2. Insult Indian media by dismising Times of India and other sources... 3. Punish my goodfaith efforts to fix every issue I'll accept ANY neutral edits - just preserve my documented history. Please guide me how can i help or any other details are required from me to comply wikipedia policy. Thank yo so much for your time,Thanks for letting me be part of this process, even though I know I’m not a regular editor. Just wanted to give context from my side which i frankly think can help the wikipedia community. I respect whatever decision is made.
- Keep
Surya7t (talk) 19:25, 24 June 2025 (UTC)Surya7t
- Just to be clear, you think it's objectively true that you're
the most fearless person ever
? Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:32, 25 June 2025 (UTC)- Thank u so much for raising this important thing about neutrality.
- Just to clarify: I didn’t call myself "the most fearless person" ever. That phrase comes from a Times of India editorial (March 2025) likely the journalist’s take on my resignation from Canara Bank one year back in June 2024. the story was, I faced 17 transfers in 10 years my service (2014 - 2024) & since public-sector bank jobs in India are secure & rarely resigned from, it caught attention. It trended on X.com in June 2024 & media outlets like Moneycontrol.com & Dainik Jagran contacted me for interviews which I declined. My resignation mail was short & polite which said "sorry I’ll not be joining" went viral online screenshots were shared widely. In India's public sector banking system job security is absolute & resignations are very very rare, since it was an unusual case, the media might have framed it their way.
- If u search "Bhanu Srivastav resignation" on internet you’ll find hundreds of screenshots of my resignation mail which was circulated at that time from past coverage or socialmedia.
- I completely agree such subjective labels don’t belong on Wikipedia. As of now, the article does not use “fearless” or any such similar phrasing. u can check the same, I’m absolutely open to further improvements per WP:NPOV.
- Thanx again Apha3031 for helping ensure accuracy & neutrality. My goal is strict adherence of Wikipedia’s policy not to defend media phrasing. I appreciate your vigilance in ensuring neutrality. Surya7t (talk) 11:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
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Not finding WP:SIGCOV in independent sources; my WP:BEFORE search turns up plenty of non-independent sources (e.g. [1][2]), but nothing substantial. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:44, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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N/C in 2017, and I think it's time for another look as corp depth still does not appear to be there in WP:SIRS Star Mississippi 03:01, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete All of the sources are very normal corporate business sources, not ones that establish notability by Wikipedia standards. PickleG13 (talk) 04:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
- "Profile: Material Sciences Corporation". Noise & Vibration Worldwide. 38 (7). Sage Publishing: 21–22. July 2007. doi:10.1260/0957-4565.38.7.21. EBSCOhost 26045472.
According to this page, Noise & Vibration Worldwide is a peer-reviewed journal. The article notes: "Material Sciences Corporation provides material-based solutions for acoustical and coating applications that address noise, temperature problems in the automotive, HVAC, electronics, power equipment, and construction industries. Founded in 1971 the company now has 600 employees in the US, Europe, and Asia and a network of partners on four continents. In fiscal 2006, MSC had net sales of $287 million and net income of $5.2 million. MSC has one of the largest independent sound engineering laboratories in North America, an application research centre located in Canton, MI."
- Nelson, Brett (2003-01-24). "Shhh! Struggling Material Sciences is betting its future on a dated feat of metallurgy called "quiet" steel. Your Ford pickup may have it". Forbes. Archived from the original on 2025-06-05. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
The article notes: "In April, 17 years in upper management at Quaker Oats, Whirl-pool and FMC Corp., the jovial, 64-year-old Michael Callahan gave up retirement and the occasional consulting gig to run a sleepy manufacturer that last year netted $2.2 million pretax on $267 million in sales. Material Sciences Corp. of Elk Grove Village, Ill. was formed in 1971 to buy companies inventing new materials. Most never took off, but it managed to go public in 1984 on the back of a unit that had found a fast way to paint the raw steel and aluminum used to make car bodies, roofing and garage doors. Coil coating–which involves priming metal rolls weighing up to 50,000 pounds with absorbent chemicals, then painting them at up to 700 feet per minute on a mill–accounts for two-thirds of the company’s revenues. ... Mat Sci’s big break didn’t come until 1998 when it began supplying the steel firewall between the dashboard and the engine for the 1999 Ford Explorer Sport Trac pickup truck. That win helped land a contract for the same part, and another one for a quiet-steel oil pan, on Ford’s new F-150 pickup. Today the company has contracts at each of the Big Three and is pursuing more than 150 new auto deals. ... As for competition, Material Sciences is far and away the dominant supplier of damped steel for autos–perhaps a $600 million market."
- Nelson, Brett (2000-10-30). "So What's Your Story?". Forbes. Archived from the original on 2025-06-05. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
The article notes: "Directions aren’t always necessary. Chicago-based Material Sciences Corp., a $500 million (sales) maker of laminated metal and films, had eight analysts following it in 1995. Only two remain. A nasty confluence of missed earnings, brokerage attrition and shrinking market cap (now $170 million) took its toll. Publicly traded since 1984, Material Sciences has spent $1 million on promotional help over the past five years, to no effect. Perhaps shedding the money losing steel-galvanizing line–and focusing solely on profitable products such as anti-vibrational-steel car components and window films that reject solar heat–will spark Wall Street’s interest."
- Englander, David (2013-04-03). "Primed for "Material" Gains". Barron's. Archived from the original on 2017-03-22. Retrieved 2025-06-21.
The article notes: "With a market cap of $104 million, and only two sell-side analysts covering its stock, Material Sciences floats under the radar of most investors. Material Sciences (ticker: MASC) makes specialty materials, primarily for the automotive industry. Its metal coatings are used on car bodies and parts. The company is perhaps best known for its Quiet Steel product, which reduces noise and vibrations in cars and appliances. In the last year, Material Sciences hit a rough patch. Sales have declined, due to lower shipments of metal fuel tanks, as Ford has converted some of its vehicles to plastic tanks. ... Based in Elk Grove Village, Ill., Material Sciences' sales are roughly split between its acoustical materials like Quiet Steel and Quiet Aluminum, and its coated metal products, which include electrogalvanized materials, as well as ElectroBrite, an alternative to stainless steel in appliances. Major customers include U.S. Steel, Chrysler and Ford."
- Dinger, Ed (2004). "Material Sciences Corporation". In Grant, Tina (ed.). International Directory of Company Histories. Vol. 64. Detroit, Michigan: St. James Press. ISBN 1558625666. Archived from the original on 2025-06-05. Retrieved 2025-06-21 – via Encyclopedia.com.
From Cengage.com:
The book notes:When students, job candidates, business executives, historians and investors need accurate and detailed information on the development of any of the world's largest and most influential companies, direct them to International Directory of Company Histories. This multi-volume work is the first major reference to bring together histories of companies that are a leading influence in a particular industry or geographic location.
The book provides extensive discussion of the subject.Public Company
Incorporated: 1971
Employees: 740
Sales: $266.8 million (2003)
Stock Exchanges: New York
Ticker Symbol: MSC
NAIC: 332812 Metal Coating, Engraving (Except Jewelry and Silverware), and Allied Services to Manufacturers
Material Sciences Corporation (MSC) is a publicly traded company based in Elk Grove, Illinois. It designs, manufactures, and markets materials-based solutions for electronic, acoustical/thermal, and coated metal applications. MSC's metal laminate product, NRGDamp, is used in the electronics industry to reduce noise and vibrations in hard disk drives. The company also produces Quiet Steel, used by the auto industry to reduce noise and vibration. The material has been applied primarily in dash panels but is also being used in an increasing number of other applications such as wheel wells and floor pans. In addition, MSC's high-speed coated metal operation produces painted and electrogalvanized sheet metal for use in building and construction products, automobile exterior panels, and appliances such as refrigerators and freezers. MSC also makes sensors and switches, relying on its patented field effect technology, for the automotive, recreational vehicle, marine, and consumer electronics markets.
Founding the Company in 1971
MSC was founded in 1971 as a holding company to acquire businesses involved in advanced materials technologies. The most important of these companies, and the only one in the fold when the company went public in 1984, was Pre Finish Metals. It was originally known as All Weather Steel Products, founded in Chicago in 1951 by Roy Crabtree. The company started out applying protective aluminum paint to sheets of metal, used to make air ducts for heating and air conditioning systems. The demand for the product grew so rapidly that All Weather soon dropped sheet processing in favor of continuous coil coating. In 1954 the operation was transferred to a converted mushroom barn in Des Plaines, Illinois, where new coil processing equipment was installed to meet ever increasing demand. Then, in May 1958, sawdust insulation in the roof ignited spontaneously and the subsequent explosion and fire completely destroyed the building. All Weather's management took immediate steps to establish a new production facility and preserve the company's customer base. Three competitors agreed to fill outstanding orders, with All Weather's personnel dispatched to oversee production. ... - International Directory of Company Histories also provides a "Further Reading" section that provides more sources about Material Sciences Corporation:
Arndorfer, James B., "Gabelli Groups Turn Up Heat on Metal Firms," Crain's Chicago Business, June 2, 2003, p. 3.
Keefe, Lisa M., "Metal Firm Is Up for Sale," Crain's Chicago Business, July 2, 1990, p. 70.
Murphy, H. Lee, "Bad Timing Snarls Material Sci. Deal," Crain Chicago Business, July 19, 1999, p. 36.
Nelson, Brett, "Shhh!," Forbes, November 24, 2003, p. 84.
Savitz, Eric J., "A Fresh Shine," Barron's, November 4, 1991, p. 14.
Setton, Dolly, "Steel Deal," Forbes, October 18, 1999, p. 190.
Troxell, Thomas N., Jr., "Tripod for Growth," Barron's, July 1, 1985, p. 33.
- Hoover's had an industry report about Material Sciences Corporation under a paywall at http://www.hoovers.com/company-information/cs/company-report.material_sciences_corporation.f622bdcf9e26730a.html. The summary notes: "Material Sciences Corporation, known as MSC, makes engineered materials, as well as coated steel and electro-galvanized steel products. MSC has two primary product segments: acoustical (anti-noise and vibration products, including the trademarked Quiet Steel reduced vibration metal) and coated (decorative and protective metal coatings). The company's products are used by the appliance, automotive, building systems, computer, construction, furniture, HVAC, lighting, and telecommunications industries. Automobile manufacturers are among the company's largest clients. MSC gets most of its sales in the US."
Hoover's lists a sample report about Exxon at http://www.hoovers.com/content/dam/english/dnb-solutions/general-company-research/69-exxon-hooversreport.pdf that discusses Exxon's "Company Description" and "Company History" in detail. Similar coverage Material Sciences Corporation in Hoover's industry report about it would provide significant coverage of the Material Sciences Corporation.
Cunard (talk) 09:59, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm quite torn on this one, but are you volunteering to fix the article and add something beyond numbers and timelines of announcements? Your rebuttal to the proposal to delete this is at least one order of magnitude longer than the article. FalconK (talk) 01:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- You already found several of these on the last AFD and I am unconvinced of WP:CORPDEPTH. I suppose it depends if the Nelson Forbes pieces are significant. IgelRM (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- "Profile: Material Sciences Corporation". Noise & Vibration Worldwide. 38 (7). Sage Publishing: 21–22. July 2007. doi:10.1260/0957-4565.38.7.21. EBSCOhost 26045472.
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Mutual inductance and Inductive coupling already have much more information here. The transformer effect certainly is not the WP:COMMONNAME for this, either. DeemDeem52 (talk) 16:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Not delete - what are you suggesting should happen? Christian75 (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with the nom that the term is rarely used. It refers to the effect in which an emf is induced by a time-varying magnetic field. (see [3] and [4]). It is usually discussed in electrodynamics textbooks under the topic Faraday's law of induction. Given this, I propose that we merge to Faraday's law of induction, and create a redirect from the more common term, transformer emf, to that page. The coverage at the target article should also be expanded. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 17:36, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've added discussion about transformer emf to Faraday's law of induction. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 16:36, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Merge as suggested. Bearian (talk) 09:23, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Transformer. There is nothing useful in this article to merge, it is high-school physics without sources. The name is not in common use, and I suspect is a literal translation from another language. It seems to have been created much earlier in WP history when the policy about what to include and verification was more open. I would also be OK with a simple delete, as a Google search mainly brings up pages on Transformer-syle robots. Ldm1954 (talk) 09:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to Transformer, as there is not any brilliant prose or even cited content worth preserving via merge. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 17:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Technically, transformer seems like a wrong target. In those sources that care to define "transformer effect", e.g. this, it includes any effect from changing magnetic flux to a stationary circuit, similar to transformer emf. In particular, it includes the interaction between a circuit and a moving magnet, which is unrelated to what happens in a transformer. That's why I suggested Faraday's law of induction above. If we decide that it generally does not have a well-defined meaning, then we should delete it or link to Electromagnetic induction, which is the broadest article in the topic area. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 18:05, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- I would be fine with either of those as redirect destinations. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 23:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 12:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment - when I last edited this article > 10 years ago, WP:RSP did not exist, much less WP:RSNOI that clearly affects notability here (based on the sources in this article). Actually, when WP:RSP came to exist in 2018, MTGF may have ceased to exist already. Their last Facebook post was in March 2018. Their website went down in 2017. Their initiative, Micro Premier League, had its last Facebook post in 2018. Their parent company Micro Technologies (India) Ltd has no article here, and possibly ceased to exist in 2014, with their website going down in 2015. starship.paint (talk / cont) 06:08, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- Due to WP:RSNOI, it is imperative to review non-news sources. Google Books produces four results, which all seem to be false positives (preceding MTGF's founding in 2010, or just no mention in the book). Google Scholar produces one result under "Micro Tech Global Foundation", which merely cites MTGF as a reference for " Land Use Pattern of Navi Mumbai", nothing is described further about MTGF. Google Scholar produces one result for "MicroTech Global Foundation", but this is an article written by MTGF's chairman. Google News produces one report where MTGF's chairman contributed to, and one press-release like report. starship.paint (talk / cont) 06:28, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - in light of the nominator's rationale, including WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE and the lack of coverage in books or scholarly sources as I have written above, plus the already defunct < 10 years existence of this organization means no further notability. Page viewcount since 2015 lists an average of 1 view per day, so not prominent at all. starship.paint (talk / cont) 06:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Again an article which is totally drafted in a promotional manner and do not posses any notability guideline.Almandavi (talk) 09:09, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- LetsTrack (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 12:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. There's a fair bit out there but it's all routine stuff or dependent sources per WP:RSNOI when I look at it. Clearly a case of WP:SERIESA and, as @User:HighKing described in the previous AfD 6 years ago, a very active marketing department. FalconK (talk) 02:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oswald Labs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 12:32, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep There are a great number of articles published in respectable and trustworthy sources to assert the subject's notability. WP:NCORP is a meeting. LKBT (talk) 10:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete There are number of articles published but that doesn't justify the notability of the article. This company page is totally written in a promotional manner and doesn't have anything which is notable worthy like awards.Almandavi (talk) 09:07, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Shenzhen Future Access Technology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NORG and entirely promotional Amigao (talk) 23:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is just spam. Not finding any sources at all. FalconK (talk) 02:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- The page is genuine. The personalities and organization do exists. May I what more sources are required to get the page going? Joah Cho (talk) 05:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Why do you think there should be an article about this at all? I don't dispute that it exists; I posit that its purpose in being here is just to raise the profile of the company, which is backwards and makes it spam. The company needs to be notable; see for instance WP:NORG as another commenter mentioned. FalconK (talk) 06:37, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- The purpose of this article is not promotional. I've removed the promotional content and kept it as a simple knowledge. The page not only talks about the company. The sources and hyperlinks I've mentioned are generic. Joah Cho (talk) 06:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- It is still fundamentally promotional; its purpose seems to be to announce the company's presence in the market and its products. I'm not sure this can actually be fixed, because it's not notable. If you can't imagine opening an encyclopedia on a bookshelf to an article about this company and reading something about it that would be of general interest or historical importance, it's not likely that an article is appropriate. FalconK (talk) 09:04, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- The purpose of this article is not promotional. I've removed the promotional content and kept it as a simple knowledge. The page not only talks about the company. The sources and hyperlinks I've mentioned are generic. Joah Cho (talk) 06:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Why do you think there should be an article about this at all? I don't dispute that it exists; I posit that its purpose in being here is just to raise the profile of the company, which is backwards and makes it spam. The company needs to be notable; see for instance WP:NORG as another commenter mentioned. FalconK (talk) 06:37, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- The page is genuine. The personalities and organization do exists. May I what more sources are required to get the page going? Joah Cho (talk) 05:42, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - promotional and not notable, plus severe conflict of interest issues (User:Joah Cho is the cofounder of this company). --Iiii I I I (talk) 18:04, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- I've removed the content from the article. Joah Cho (talk) 06:01, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete All sources are from a single source Hifuture Article only published for promotion of the business.--FreaksIn 15:44, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Removed the sources which were promotional of the business. Joah Cho (talk) 06:02, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Cybage (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. As of now, the page is a WP:PROMO TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete. If kept, the only topic in here would be the controversy its office construction project appeared to cause, which is very WP:MILL. As it stands, this page is a promo created by an SPA. FalconK (talk) 03:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)
- Brewing equipment (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This is redundant with the Beer and Brewing articles. ~ฅ(ↀωↀ=)neko-channyan 17:14, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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- delete besides the above, the article really doesn't say anything. Mangoe (talk) 17:19, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge into brewing and/or beer. Could easily make a category for this. Also, hasnt been expanded much in 5 years. Metallurgist (talk) 05:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Merge, preferably into brewing. Eventually, if it is expanded, it could be spun out. Coeusin (talk) 15:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Delete or merge This is not a topic that needs its own article, and can be easily covered in existing articles. Angryapathy (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Fortude (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This company doesn't seem to warrant a standalone article per WP:NCORP; sources I could find seem to fail WP:ORGCRIT (I'll add a breakdown below).
I think the article should be deleted or redirected to Brandix. But the (declared paid) article creator reverted an earlier change to a redirect, and reverted my recent attempt at a move to draftspace, so I'm coming here to reach a consensus.
Some additional context: The paid creator originally started the article as a draft in AFC. Once it was rejected twice at AFC,[5] they copy and pasted the article directly into mainspace,[6] and then possibly blanked the original rejected draft.[7] I attempted to explain that they should go through AFC on their talkpage when I moved it to draftspace, but they simply reverted the move with no explanation, and then expanded the article with more press releases. - Whisperjanes (talk) 03:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Nominator comment: Below are my breakdown of the sources currently in the article (excluding sources from Fortude or Brandix). Outside of these sources, the ones I could find (even using the company's previous name) mainly seemed to be press releases or routine coverage.
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- FuelTech (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I couldn't find real WP:SIGCOV for this, excluding press releases, copies of press releases on industry websites, and one promotional interview. BuySomeApples (talk) 03:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Per WP:TNT. "After dominating..." "pioneered..." The rest reads like a company brochure. Moving to draft could be an WP:ATD but I cannot find anything meeting WP:CORPDEPTH so not sure if it can be fixed. Would also suggest a merge with Anderson Dick but that looks like a mess and possibly not notable either. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:16, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – Per [8], [9], [10]. The company is well-known in the automotive preparation sector. Svartner (talk) 16:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep per Svartner - big in racing and gets coverage for its technology. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 03:56, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- The issue with the three references presented by Svartner is that they all fail WP:CORPDEPTH.--CNMall41 (talk) 08:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Institute of Engineering and Technology (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Does not look to be a notable institution. Barely any in-depth coverage on the same. Most of it seems to be trivial mention or paid PR Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 13:50, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
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- weak keep this is a public university with over 1000+ students and there is some coverage of it in various sources: [11] [12]. It is not extensive but probably enough for an University. --hroest 15:25, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
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This covers the same topic as Common rail#Acronyms and branding used and does not meet WP:N. It is simply a marketing term, used by Honda in the European market between 2002 and 2008.
The article was created as a redirect and remained one for 16 years, when long-term vandal Sevgilerde tried restoring it. It was then turned back into a redirect by ToadetteEdit, Rosguill, Ponyo, Boleyn, and a fifth editor who has since vanished. "i-CTDi" is simply a badging applied by Honda to two separate diesel engines, the N22A engineand an Isuzu engine modified by Honda. When Honda updated the N22A engine, they switched to the i-DTEC acronym. Both of these are simply marketing terms used by Honda for their diesel engines, just like Renault's DCi, Mercedes' Cgi, and Hyundai's CRDI - all of which were turned into articles by the same vandal and correctly turned back into redirects. Any of the meaningful content used here would be more suitable at Honda N engine or Kenichi Nagahiro (someone just needs to create that).
Also see D-4D, TDCi, Cdi, CDTi for additional, analogous redirects. Mr.choppers | ✎ 19:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Hmm.. I see some interesting history here. A year ago, I BLAR'd the article claiming that it was non notable, but got quickly reverted. Since then, at least two other reviewers agreed that it should be redirected to common rail, but their attempts were both reverted as well. I currently see that Andy Dingley disagreed with the views of three unique reviewers and restored the article to the version made by the sock together with expanding the article. It looks different than what I initially saw so expect a commentary within the next 24 hours. But now I doubt that the history might warrant a report at ANI, who knows? ToadetteEdit (talk) 19:20, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- So I took a review of the article, and frankly enough, I do not know if it will pass WP:GNG or not. I see scholary journals discussing the subject in detail, but they are written by people at Honda, so I do not know whether the journals are independent enough or not. I also see that the first source is from Honda,so it does not establish notability in the context. I also see other websites, but they are in favor of the car models other than the subject itself. Unless it can be justified that at least two sources away from Honda show SIGCOV, Redirect to common rail with no prejudice to page development in the draftspace so as to be submitted via AFC. ToadetteEdit (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- I would like to add that, as far as I can tell, the SAE article is specifically about the N22A engine – it's paywalled but the blurb makes no mention of the i-CTDi marketing name. Mr.choppers | ✎ 13:46, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- Why would anyone be motivated to create an article Kenichi Nagahiro , just so that you can delete it and call them a vandal?
- We have policies here based on WP:N, WP:V and WP:RS. You are ignoring these in favour of some personal disagreement with another editor. Even if they're guilty of whatever it is you allege, this has now grown to the detriment of the overall project. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:59, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:GOODFAITH, please. Compare DCi, Cgi, CRDI, D-4D, TDCi, Cdi, CDTi. Mr.choppers | ✎ 00:55, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- Or a better message is to both of you to be separate one another and assume good faith. In particular that the comment above does not address the content but rather to the nominator, which is short of the Wikipedia:Civility policy. ToadetteEdit (talk) 11:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- You don't get to hide behind 'good faith' when you're the one repeatedly describing anyone who disagrees with you as a vandal. First time you did this to me you were taken to ANI over it. You then repeated the same term. So please don't pretend that you didn't know that at least one of us here finds that a deeply offensive allegation. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:GOODFAITH, please. Compare DCi, Cgi, CRDI, D-4D, TDCi, Cdi, CDTi. Mr.choppers | ✎ 00:55, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Beerware (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Slight merge to open source is possible, but this page should not remain as-is due to a general lack of any notability. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:22, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Searching in Google Books, and reviewing past discussions, it seems there is some coverage in reliable sources ([13][14][15]), but all of it seems to be passing mentions. I would favor a redirect/merge to Open-source license or any other appropriate target. MarioGom (talk) 21:19, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
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If one checks Google News and other news, the company cannot be named notable. Just random here and there blogs, mentions, wp:churnalism, newswire releases, WOW award, RMAI Flame award. The previous discussion was not representative and resulted in no consensus. Many of the sources have been already removed as spam. NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 10:00, 5 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete – Of the references for DestaGlobal, Startup Success Stories India, Techcircle, Business Standard India, The Hindu Business Line (partially neutral), InterCon Dubai (YouTube), EVENTFAQS Media, Rural Marketing, and Digital Empowerment Foundation are focused on DestaGlobal’s success, awards, and positive impact. Most of these are based on the company’s claims without independent verification. The National and The Hindu are references that adhere to journalistic standards, providing neutral information about DestaGlobal’s work, but they lack detailed information. Hence, they are not sufficient to strongly support the claims. Some people may have different opinions about these two sources.-SachinSwami (talk) 7:01, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Pirated movie release types (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NLIST, largely original research and what sourced material does exist within the article is sourced to unreliable sources. Previous AfDs were just a WP:VOTE without actual policy debate. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:55, 3 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: It's very informative. 2804:38A:A03C:FC45:340D:BFFF:FE2C:5120 (talk) 19:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC) — 2804:38A:A03C:FC45:340D:BFFF:FE2C:5120 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep: 2603:7000:8800:EE11:6D92:F6D9:CF13:FA06 (talk) 23:45, 6 June 2025 (UTC) — 2603:7000:8800:EE11:6D92:F6D9:CF13:FA06 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep: I also agree that it is very informative. This article provides encyclopaedic value by documenting terminology and release patterns that have been widely used and referenced in digital media communities for decades. While improvements in sourcing and structure may be needed, the topic itself is verifiably notable through its sustained use in torrenting platforms, piracy-related discussions, and tech journalism. Deletion appears to be motivated, at least in part, by ideological opposition to the subject matter rather than a neutral assessment of whether this information is citable and informative. Wikipedia’s purpose is to document what exists in the world—not to legitimise or condemn it.— SBWalkerP (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. The preceding unsigned comment was added at 21:02, 7 June 2025 (UTC) (UTC).
- I am not sure where in the nomination one would find "ideological opposition to the subject matter". If you are implying this is due to edits outside of the discussion, that is a WP:ADHOMINEM personal attack. You have also not provided sources as evidence for your claim it is notable. WP:SOURCESEXIST is not a viable argument. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- It’s clearly an LLM-written vote ꧁Zanahary꧂ 19:20, 11 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am not sure where in the nomination one would find "ideological opposition to the subject matter". If you are implying this is due to edits outside of the discussion, that is a WP:ADHOMINEM personal attack. You have also not provided sources as evidence for your claim it is notable. WP:SOURCESEXIST is not a viable argument. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
- Merge: We can probably combine all of this into Online piracy. -OXYLYPSE (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: I'd argue that this does comply with WP:NLIST. Release types are defined standards complied with by major scene groups - this topic is notable enough to have several papers written that discuss release groups and standards. I absolutely agree with you that new sources need to be found and that this article needs to be rewritten, but deletion isn't the way to go and I don't see a merge as able to do it justice. Manwithbigiron (talk) 16:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)— Manwithbigiron (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Agreed; keep. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:32, 12 June 2025 (UTC)
- I do agree that all of this should be somewhere - my main concern with merging would be that this would put undue weight on film piracy. It's probably one of the most common things people think of when they think of online piracy, but it's not the only version. Plus if someone were to find sourcing for the various other versions of say, online piracy of books, music, video games, and so on, sections of this nature would quickly overwhelm the article. I agree in that it's probably better to keep this stuff on a separate page, to keep the main online piracy page a bit tighter. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (。◕‿◕。) 00:15, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - Third party sources, article is sourced. Looks decent. as stated above the article provides encyclopaedic value by documenting terminology.BabbaQ (talk) 08:06, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- Blast from the past, but what are the sources which treat these as a group? Just starting with the basics, I did a search for '"cam" "telesync" "screener" "dvdrip"' and found no reliable sources. Yes, each might be verifiable on its own, but we need WP:NLIST. It's challenging in that (a) most of this relates to online piracy culture, and few reliable sources treat that with the nerdy depth this list goes for, (b) this stuff was most popular 20 years ago, so there's a lot of link rot in play. It's certainly possible sources exist, but I'm not seeing them. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 12:42, 22 June 2025 (UTC)