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Username:Ndiver

Hello,

I wanted to express my disappointment to see that the bureaucrates prefer to support a 2-years inactive user that do not justify why he should keep his username (created 2 years after i created the same on Wikipedia FR, just to remember it) and who does not answer to mediation issues than an active user that has something to add to the encyclopaedia. It's also for me a surprising decision when I consider the leak of volunteers of Wikipedia (see: Daily Telegraph - Wikipedia looking for more volunteers ).

At the current point, my login conflicts between the usernames Ndiver on Wikipedia FR + Wikispecies and the username Ndiverprime on Wikipedia EN (that oblige me to disconnect my username each time i switch between the 2 languages) unfortunately do not allow me to contribute actively on Wikipedia EN.

Best regards, --Ndiverprime (talk) 18:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

(Non-bureaucrat comment) Ndiverprime, I think the spirit of the usurption policy is pretty clear that any objection from the owner of the username is grounds for the usurption not to go through. It's not a question of who is more entitled to a username. Rather, the point is that Wikipedia doesn't want to usurp a username if there's even a remote chance that editor might try to login someday only to find that they've lost their username! It would most likely discourage that editor from making contributions, which is not what Wikipedia wants. If a user got the e-mail about the usurption and took the time to login and object to it, then it seems like that's enough to show they're still somewhat interested in contributing to Wikipedia in the future. —JmaJeremy✆✎ 05:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ndiverprime, it's clear that you're disappointed by this decision, and I can understand that, but if an editor wants to assert their right to keep their username, albeit not having made made edits, that's the way it goes. You could always consider changing your SUL to something unique so that you could log into all Wikipedia projects with a common user name. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:56, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

At the current point, it makes several days that i tried to contact the user Ndiver (to try a mediation or at least to understand why he wants to keep his username on Wikipedia), first by writing on his Talk page, then by email as i found how to do. I don't have any answer from this user up to now. That's why I say that I'm disgusted to see that Wikipedia supports inactive users than motivated users. Just reconsider what i said: Wikipedia has already a leak of volunteers ... This type of situation just motivates other ones to leave the boat ... At the current point, I don't have the motivation to contribute any more. I asked for justified help, the bureaucratic logic refuse ...

Additionally, I still have these annoying problems of SUL :(

@ The Ramblingman: I'm using actively the username Ndiver since far before I created an account on Wikipedia (since something like 15 years if i'm right). I still use it as username everyday on several websites ;-) --Ndiverprime (talk) 11:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Nidver, I think it worth pointing out that this rename lies outside what the enwiki community has authorised its bureaucrats to do. It simply isn't within our gift. Had the user never made any edits to articles, I would rename them without hesitation, but they have and that limits our discretion. If you would like to propose a change to the policy and gain consensus for that change from the community, you are welcome to do so. But until a policy change is agreed, we cannot help you. WJBscribe (talk) 20:16, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

I second WJB's view. Sorry, but that's the way things are right now. --Dweller (talk) 20:45, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

It makes 21 days that the user Ndiver did not answered to any trial I made to contact him (Talk page, email) ... If at least the bureaucrats could make the same. I continue to say that this user is inactive and is thus usurping my username Ndiver (that i use on Wikipedia FR and Wikispecies). Should i do a new usurpation request to show it ? On my side, I wanted to create the page about Pachygrapsus transversus, a really interesting crab species, but I'm really hesitating to do it ... As I said, why taking some time to do it when the Wikipedia bureaucracy doesn't help me when i ask it for a justified reason ? Take it in consideration. Best regards and have a good week-end guys --Ndiverprime (talk) 10:42, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

The user has expressed his wish to keep his user name here, so as above, until the policy on usurpations is changed, there is nothing more we can do. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:01, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

As far as i see, this user is totally inactive since more than 2 years and was never active before as in the past he created just a single page. You seem to never take that in consideration

When i created my account on Wikipedia, the SUL was not yet available, which generate today some absurds situations like that ... I also never understood why the creation of a username is not for all the languages but only for one !

Since several months, i started to update the 250 valid species of sesarmid crabs on Wikispecies (under the username Ndiver, i remember you !) and wanted to do the same on Wikipedia EN (and as you can see it, there is tons to do, additionally, each species page of this family contains clear mistakes from what I have seen). I thanks you for helping me in this task.

WJBscribe said i quote: If you would like to propose a change to the policy and gain consensus for that change from the community, you are welcome to do so. How can i do such thing if it's the only way at the current point ?

Best regards, --Ndiverprime (talk) 13:38, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

You could do so at WP:VP/P or at WT:CHU. Whichever one you choose, it might be worth signposting the discussion at the other. And here. --Dweller (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Dweller, but where can i find written the current policy concerning the usernames ? I will probably put that at WP:VP/P. I will also notice here when the discussion will be open. Best regards, --Ndiverprime (talk) 10:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

The current usurpation guideline is at WP:CHUG#Additional guidelines for usurpation requests. —JmaJeremy✆✎ 15:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

When SUL was introduced, I started Wikipedia:SUL/Consultation on renames but it got little participation and was abandoned. See also this archived thread. I proposed, where the target had made no (or no significant) edits to articles, a usurpation request for SUL would be performed "even where the target user has objected to being renamed". That proposal met with agreement and is (as far as I concerned at least) the current approach. The question is whether this should be expanded to account that have made good faith contributions to articles in the past, but are now inactive other than to object to the usurpation. WJBscribe (talk) 20:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

And in this specific case, it seems that the inactive user has actually asked not to be usurped. --Dweller (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah yes, additional words now added in italics. WJBscribe (talk) 21:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all these informations, i will take a look at that soon :-) WJBscribe, if i understand correctly, the problem highlighted in this discussion is not the first case and you already initiated a former discussion about it. Maybe we could consider to relaunch the discussion you initiated ? Best regards--Ndiverprime (talk) 09:25, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

User Dlohcierekim requests his flag back

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Dear 'crats. I seem to be back, and ready to return to work. I have a SHA 512 commitment on my user page. I can provide the key at a time mutually agreeable or can email it if that is better. I've been told a checkuser may be in order. Dlohcierekim (current rights · rights management · rights log (local) · rights log (global/meta) · block log) Thanks, Dlohcierekim 21:39, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Yay, another Pedro Cabal OG returns. FYI, in order to get your mop back, you may be required to modify your signature (depending on which 'crat acts on your request). Welcome back. Floq :  enbeam  22:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. didn't know we were remembered. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 22:05, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, hey. Long time no see, and welcome back : ) - jc37 22:18, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

It's great to see an old name return. :) Welcome back! Acalamari 22:22, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. It's good to be seen, and to see so many familiar folks from back then. Dlohcierekim 22:27, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back. But I object to Dlohcierekim's being re-granted adminship unless he first tells us how to pronounce his username. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done I'm :  Max  22:28, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so awesomely much !cheers, Dlohcierekim 22:33, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back; but I still do not know how to pronounce the name. Lectonar (talk) 11:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Read it backward <grin> Dlohcierekim 18:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

When in doubt, toss it into an anagram website.  :) —64.85.217.208 (talk) 21:24, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that I saw ;). I want to know how to pronounce it, not what it means. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 11:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Meta Request for Comment: Legal Fees Assistance Program

Copied from the Wikimedia Announcement mailing list with modifications to links, because this proposed program would apply to all administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, arbitrators, OTRS volunteers. Risker (talk) 23:36, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Many Wikimedians take on key support roles that help ensure that the community’s projects run smoothly and effectively. The Wikimedia Foundation -- under the lead of the Finance Department and the Legal and Community Advocacy Department -- is proposing the Legal Fees Assistance Program. This program is intended to help find qualified lawyers or pay for the legal defense fees of eligible users in specified support roles. The assistance would be available in the unlikely event those users were ever named in a legal complaint as a defendant because of their support roles on any Wikimedia project. The program would apply to all projects and languages.

We have started a request for comment to see what the community thinks of this proposed initiative, and we would like those who are interested to look at the proposed program itself and let us know your thoughts. If you have further questions, we have prepared an FAQ, and we will be available to discuss via the talk pages.

Many thanks,

Geoff
wmf:User:Gbrigham

Geoff Brigham
General Counsel
Wikimedia Foundation

Garfield
wmf:User:Gbyrd

Garfield Byrd
Chief of Finance and Administration
Wikimedia Foundation

Please let me encourage those of you with an interest in this program (whether seeing it implemented or killing it dead) to participate in the RFC. :) Whether or not this is presented to the Board for consideration will depend on strong community consensus. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 11:56, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Acetic Acid seeks to return to his former Sysop glory

Dear Bureaucrats,

This is Ryan aka Acetic Acid (current rights · rights management · rights log (local) · rights log (global/meta) · block log). I was promoted to administrator back in 2005 in the midst of my most active time on this site. Sadly, as a then 16-year-old, I burnt out rather quickly, and my activity level began slipping. I logged on occasionally during my college years, particularly near the end of 2008 to do some housekeeping.

Now, as a college graduate and member of the working world, I have considered returning to Wikipedia as a full-fledged contributor and administrator. After reading up on the 2011 proposal to desysop inactive administrators, I completely agree with the decision that was made. People come and go, and policies change over time. There is quite a lot for me to brush up on. I am interested in returning, if allowed. Please feel free to contact me via e-mail or my talk page. I'll do whatever is necessary for me to verify my identity and status.

Thank you for your consideration. - Acetic Acid 04:44, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Welcome back. We ought to create a page that summarises some of the policy developments over a timeline, to encourage admins to return and help them get up to speed... --Dweller (talk) 11:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Dweller, that is a great idea. Welcome back Acetic acid! Dlohcierekim 13:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

There is Wikipedia:Update, but that seems to list absolutely everything. Hut 8.5 15:12, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Also last updated in 2011. I think they key thing is to work out what current practice is, and only work in one or two areas. The established way of handling things isn't necessarily written down anywhere. Secretlondon (talk) 15:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)