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Sometimes, we want to delete redirects. If you think a redirect page should be deleted, please insert {{rfd}} at the top of the page and list the redirect at the bottom of this page. Note that a bug causes {{rfd}} to be ignored if it follows #REDIRECT.

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When should we delete a redirect?

To delete a redirect without replacing it with a new article, list it here. This isn't necessary if you just want to replace a redirect with an article: see meta:redirect for instructions on how to do this.

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met:

  1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. (see meta:searches and redirects for proposals to lessen this impact)
  2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so it should be deleted.
  3. The redirect is offensive and/or POV, such as "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs", unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is discussed in the article.
  4. The redirect makes no sense, such as [[Pink elephants painting daisies]] to love
  5. It is a cross-space redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace.
  6. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be deleted immediately, though you should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first.

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

  1. They have a potentially useful page history. If the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
  2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely
  3. They aid searches on certain terms.
  4. You risk breaking external or internal links by deleting the redirect. There is rarely a reason to delete historical CamelCase links.
  5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful - this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways.

For example, redirecting Dubya to George W. Bush might be considered offensive, but the redirect aids accidental linking, makes the creation of duplicate articles less likely, and is useful to some people, so it should not be deleted.

See also:Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Precedents#Redirects for precedents that are followed with regards to redirects.

If you delete one of these pages, don't forget to delete any accompanying talk page.

June 19

[[Ås<caron>rÄ«mÄ?lÄ?-sÅ«tra]] -> Srimala sutra. RickK 06:07, Jun 19, 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete the entry with cur id:736339, if it's still there. How does one link there ( [[<i_>Å&#154;rÄ«mÄ?lÄ?-sÅ«tra</i_>]] ) -- User:Docu
    • Special:Whatlinkshere/Srimala_sutra has nothing linking to it, which suggests 736339 doesn't exist. Angela. 10:30, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
      • I just ran SELECT cur_title, cur_text, cur_namespace FROM cur WHERE cur_id = 736339
        on a more recent version, and it still shows up. --User:Docu


July 25

  • [[L. S<caron>arounová]] This redirect page should be deleted because the S caron in the title is not ISO-8859-1 (and thus won't show correctly on some machines, such as Macs). As for the "mistake", my understanding is that the redirection entry would work only for Windows users (which do include the S caron in their ANSI character super-set). I'm not completely clear yet on how redirects work with non ISO-8859-1 characters. Let me be clear: the proper name of the astronomer in question is "L. S<caron>arounová". Links within pages could be in either long or short ("L. S<caron>arounová") form, with or without accents (so there are eight link forms total). The target page cannot be titled "Lenka S<caron>arounová" because the S caron isn't kosher. What's the correct solution? Urhixidur 12:12, 2004 Jul 25 (UTC) (moved here from vfd by Graham ☺ | Talk 22:23, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC))

August 3

  • Joaquín Phoenix -> Joaquin Phoenix. Although his name is Hispanic, he does not spell it with an accent. The accented version is not a valid redirect and is unlikely to be searched for. RickK 04:58, Aug 3, 2004 (UTC)

August 17

August 20

  • PublicAffairs -> Government. No page except this [[Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion]] page links to PublicAffairs. I did not put the {{rfd}} notice at the top of PublicAffairs--to preserve the unaltered evidence in this test case for deletion; see entry for ChristianIty above. ---Rednblu 16:15, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. What harm is it doing? Why break links? This has been there since 2002. Angela. 16:08, Aug 22, 2004 (UTC)

August 23

August 24

  • D. T. Suzuki -> Daisetz Teitaro Suzuki - the extra space before the initial 'T' is unnecessary, and not typical style. A similar redirect exists at D.T. Suzuki (no space before first period and the 'T'), and all links to the bad redirect page have already been corrected.

August 27

September 1

  • G6 Howitzer → G6 howitzer. Unnecessary redirect, nothing links to the version with the capital H in any case, it was a mistake on my part. Impi 11:37, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep as valid redirect. RickK 18:55, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, many articles have redirects based on case. — Tasty Sandwich | Talk 14:04, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Hmmm ok, I see the logic of keeping it. So should I just remove the rfd notice on the page? Impi 17:33, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Technically valid but useless since it doesn't help a typed in search, and encourages linking to the wrong capitalization. Cap redirs are generally only helpful for odd-case titles that the typed in search algorithms can't find, such as University of Idaho, or USS Cole. It makes about as much sense as creating a redir at white house. Niteowlneils 23:19, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)

September 2

  • StanisÅ‚aw lem → Stanislaw Lem. Bad transliteration. — RickK 20:35, Sep 2, 2004 (UTC)
    • keep - this is Stanisław Lem in UTF-8 - Naive cynic 20:00, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
      • But it isn't legible. RickK 21:07, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)
        • It's illegible due to technical limitations. This will change when the English version of Wikipedia starts using UTF-8 properly, like nearly all the other language versions already do. For now, this redirect takes care of someone searching the Wikipedia for Stanisław Lem.
          • So resubmit it when the English version is upgraded. RickK 05:52, Sep 6, 2004 (UTC)

September 3

  • Robert Merkel → User:Robert Merkel - redirect to user page; also the talk page is being used as the user's personal talk page -- Graham ☺ | Talk 11:12, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • It's one of User:Tim Starling/Redirects from : to User: from before there was a user namespace. -- User:Docu
    • I'll ask him what he wants to do with the old talk page stuff - it was last updated early in 2002. Noel 18:25, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • He will move content off talk page - OK to delete when he has done this. Noel 16:36, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

September 4

  • Bernie Williams - want to move article Bernie Williams (born 1968) back here. Already added info on that page for other lesser baseball player of same name. MisfitToys 08:31, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
    • Ok, I deleted the redirect and moved the history to Bernie Williams (disambiguation). -- User:Docu
      • Thanks; but the disambig is really unnecessary; as I noted in the summary when I added the delete request to that page, the second person is a minor figure in the same field, covered on the same page as the first person. MisfitToys 09:45, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
        • Let's redirect it then to Bernie Williams. -- User:Docu
          • OK; I just wish the history wasn't split between the two pages, but I don't think there's a way around it now. MisfitToys 10:05, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)

September 6

  • Monedula has been adding dozens of redirects for common words like and, when, but, often, and the list goes on and on. There is no reason for these redirects. I would like to see them removed. Danny 14:59, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC) (moved from (WP:VFD)
    • I see no harm in them, especially since some seem well linked (Special:Whatlinkshere/And). I think we need to know which redirects are specifically being discussed here. -- Netoholic @ 15:16, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

September 7

  • George Washingten - another redirect of a misspelling. Second one today. - Lucky 6.9 23:33, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Cheap, and harmless. -- Stevietheman 15:22, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
  • All of the creations of Users:
    • Callixtus
    • Topspeed
    • Bottomspeed
    • Upperlimit
    • Nolimit
    • Unlimited
    • Instantbreakfast
    • Slowbreakfast
    • Nobreakfast
      • Obvious vandalism, but Guanaco is stalking any and everything I do, so these users and anybody else with a similar name will have to be watched. RickK 23:37, Sep 7, 2004 (UTC)
      • These seem like perfectly valid redirects from a common misspelling (see Wikipedia:Redirect#What do we use redirects for?). Definintely no harm, and should be kept. -- Netoholic @ 23:41, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. Given Wikipedia's well-known influence on Google results, we should not be encouraging misspellings. We're an encyclopedia, not a primary school. Washingten is no more a common misspelling than Woshingtin or Molke. Mackensen 00:01, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Misspellings are supposed to be kept. Keep. anthony (see warning) 14:03, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Just fix the links pointing to the redirects. -- User:Docu

September 8

September 9

  • George Woshingtin has been created again. As there seems to be some confusion about the matter, allow me to make several points. Woshingtin first appeared in the pages of wikipedia when I offered it as an example of an absurd redirect when trying to have Helmuth von Molke deleted. Later, User:33451, who has been under suspicion in the past of trolling, created it as a redirect. When I and several other users objected, he cited my post as the justification (see here for the discussion). For about the last eight days this redirect has passed from creation to deletion and back again - I'm not even sure how many times. Google reports four hits for "Woshingtin" - three of which come from discussions over this redirect. This is not a useful mispelling and, given the discussion above, I do not believe it was created in good faith. Could we please end the madness? Mackensen 19:50, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • See Vandalism in progress (cf Silver Proxy) for more activity related to this redirect. Mackensen 19:53, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • So just keep it. That'll end the madness. anthony (see warning) 00:29, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • I agree on this one: (1) redirects are cheap; (2) don't feed the trolls. • Benc • 22:19, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • I fail to see why we should either i) put up with trolls, or ii) encourage incorrect spellings. Nuke it. Noel 21:14, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Support deletion. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 22:17, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. It's cheap. It's harmless. Further, why has it been deleted before the decision was made here? — Stevietheman 15:20, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. Just to end this madness once and for all. The only problem is, Bearcat seems to delete things like this without even looking at the discussion. He even deleted Queen/Band, which had an edit history, and when asked about it, refused to undelete. — i386 | Talk 18:45, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

September 10

  • Male Genital Mutilation redirects to circumcision. That seems to fit the grounds of POV and offensive to me. --195.11.216.59 16:40, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Delete. anthony (see warning) 00:30, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, on the principle of minimum waste of time. Yes, the redirect is on the POV side, but it's not blatantly offensive. More importantly, would we rather leave the article name open for someone to come along later and write a POV rant about it? We'd VfD it, but it would be recreated eventually by some other ranter. Rinse, repeat ad nauseam. Besides, once the dispute at circumcision is resolved, the genital mutilation angle will be covered in an NPOV fashion, making the redirect acceptable. • Benc • 22:19, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Support deletion. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 22:17, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • ¡Keep! Male Genital Mutilation is real. Ŭalabio 18:07, 2004 Sep 12 (UTC) Besides, in deleted, such a common term will just reappear as an article or redirect in a little while. ¿How many times has an article or redirect existed with this name already? It has 1630 hits on Google.Com. Besides, you already have the president of female genital mutilation. If you delete one you will have to delete the other. Indeed, in the interest of neutrality, we should also have a redirect for human genital mutilation. In the interest of balance, I shall place female genital mutilation on { { rfd } }. If male genital mutilation and female genital mutilation]] survive, I shall create a redirect for human genital mutilation. Ŭalabio 23:18, 2004 Sep 12 (UTC)
    • Delete. POV and is debatable. Mike H 00:25, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep. I don't think we should care if a redirect is POV. The point is that we want to prevent a full article on it, and further, some people may actually type this phrase in. It's harmless. -- Stevietheman 15:08, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep, if only to leave the recent wave of anti-circumcision protesters one less article to disrupt. --Ardonik.talk() 18:34, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
  • Mr Lawrence - this is not an appropriate name for the title of any article. Besides, I believe his name is Doug Lawrence. I don't even think even a redirect is necessary. The proper terminology would be under Lawrence, under a list of people with that name. Marcus2 18:05, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

September 11

  • Alfred Ludlum - I created the article Alfred Ludlam here by accident, and moving it to the correct name has left an unnecessary redirect. -- Vardion 05:20, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • It's conceivable that a reader would mix up Ludlam and Ludlum. • Benc • 22:19, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Suppose we get a real Alfred Ludlum? Delete, before it spreads. Noel 21:40, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Keep until there's a notable Alfred Ludlum. On top of this, Ludlam is misspelled as Ludlum in the pointed-to article. -- Stevietheman 15:27, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

September 12

  • Dunstanburgh Castle is a redirect that points to Dunstanburgh, an article that deals only with Dunstanburgh Castle. Please delete the Dunstanburgh Castle redirect to enable a move from Dunstanburgh to Dunstanburgh Castle. Ian Cairns 12:13, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
    • Tons of pages link to Dunstanburgh. Is there a village or town of that name, or what? Should that be a separate article, or a redirect to the article on the castle? Noel 16:46, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

September 13

  • Ukranian → Ukrainian language
    • Misspelled.
    • I fixed two links pointing at this redirect page; one remaining link seems to be some kind of link-stats page in User: space.
    • If not deleted, it should be pointed at the Ukrainian disambiguation page, to catch future misspellings. (added by User:Mzajac)
      • I've changed it to point at the Ukrainian disambig, as this is likely to be a common misspelling when searching. sjorford 09:22, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
      • I agree with pointing to Ukrainian dab page. -- Stevietheman 15:11, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)
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