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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When to delete a redirect for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

Wikipedia:Redirect – what redirects are, why they exist, and how they are used.
Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion – which pages can be deleted without discussion; in particular the "General" and "Redirects" sections.
Wikipedia:Deletion policy – how we delete things by consensus.
Wikipedia:Guide to deletion – guidelines on discussion format and shorthand.

The guiding principles of RfD

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WP:RGUIDE

The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When to delete a redirect

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Redirect/Deletion reasons. (edit | history)

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The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

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WP:RFD#DELETE

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles" (itself a redirect to "Article"), it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
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If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.
If the redirect ends in "(disambiguation)" but does not target a disambiguation page or a page performing a disambiguation-like function (such as a set index of articles). Speedy deletion criterion G14 may apply.

Reasons for not deleting

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WP:RFD#KEEP

However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. Please tag these with {{R from old history}}. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

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WP:RNEUTRAL

Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

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STEP I.

Tag the redirect(s).

Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page.

Does this look too complicated?
Try this semi-automated process instead: (note only confirmed users can use this)

Enable Twinkle in the Gadgets tab of your preferences.
Go back to the redirect page, and choose "XFD" from the new Twinkle menu.
Fill in the form and submit it.

Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
Save the page ("Publish changes").
If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination. If it is an inline template, use |showontransclusion=tiny instead.
If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated and specify on {{rfd}} the nomination's group heading from Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion

STEP II.

List the entry on RfD.

Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

Enter this text below the date heading:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}}

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For this template:
- Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
- Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
Please use an edit summary such as:
Nominating [[RedirectName]]
(replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:

{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}

{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}}

~~~~

If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.

STEP III.

Notify users.

It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template

{{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]

Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

This version of the page may not reflect the most current changes.
Please purge this page to view the most recent changes.

Current list

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June 21

Joe Hill .

Joe Hill . → Joe Hill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unhelpful redirect, as anyone searching for "Joe Hill" with a space would naturally be brought to the DAB page at Joe Hill or the articles with sufficient disambiguation in search results. The redirect creator notes at the talk, from a message back in November 2004, that they created this redirect to fix an external link from this web article, which has been dead since 2012, according to Wayback. That external link was referring to Joe Hill (writer), anyway, and this redirect has not been maintained to reflect the DAB. Very rarely receives a few hits, with only two in the past 90 days. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 03:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 20

Bhat (food)

Bhat (food) → Rice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article. Not mentioned in the most related article Rice as food. Target does not have affinity to cultures that utilize Sanskrit (which seems to be where this word originates from). A search for ("bhat" food) turns up multiple results that are all WP:PTMs. Delete per the aforementioned and WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List of rice dishes. Bhat or bhāt occurs in many modern languages meaning rice or boiled rice, spoken where rice is a staple of the diet. For example dal bhat is Nepal's national dish. This and another dishes containing bhat are listed here. It's common to see bhat written in Latin script as English is widely spoken in the region and is one of India's national languages. This is certainly culturally relevant and redirects are cheap. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 05:18, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete or retarget?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ^Complex/_Rational 22:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per Mycetae. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 00:50, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Early Qu'ran Manuscripts in Sana'a

Early Qu'ran Manuscripts in Sana'a → Early Qur'an Manuscripts in Sana'a (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misspelling. Qur'an not Qu'ran, moved page but redirect needs to be deleted. --pro-anti-air (talk) 21:46, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mine clearer

Mine clearer → Demining (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Ambiguous; could redirect to minesweeper or minesweeper (video game). Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:34, 13 June 2025 (UTC) Delete Thepharoah17 (talk) 01:02, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Minesweeper is a narrower topic, covering only a small subset of mine clearance. I reject the notion that "mine clearer" is commonly used in reference to the video game. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 20:28, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John God

John God → Jehovah (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

That's not his name. There are several Johns mentioned on the page, but no "John God". Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:18, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spook mountain

Spook mountain → Gravity hill (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target page, no clear relationship Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tonal system

Tonal system → Chromatic scale (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Several articles (see "What links here") link to Tonal system with the intention of pointing towards Tonal system (Nystrom). Clicking these and being redirected to Chromatic scale just made me confused. The mentioned Nystrom page already has a hatnote that points towards the musical system.

Even if a redirect to the music theory is preferred, wouldn't tonality be the more appropriate target? --FIQ (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

move Tonal system (Nystrom) over Tonal system as the hatnote suffices for something that is a decidedly non-standard name. Mangoe (talk) 19:30, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This was just moved like this about a month ago, hence all the wrong links and backwards hatnotes...normally, this could have been listed at WP:RMTR as a request to revert an undiscussed move (I have no real opinion on this one, just wanted to point out the history). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sa Aung Ko Ko

Sa Aung Ko Ko → Woodlands Lions (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sa Aung Ko Ko closed with consensus to delete and this redirect was created very shortly after, despite having no support, by the creator, who was very disruptive and had to be taken to WP:ANI for repeatedly disrupting this AfD. There is no evidence on my internet searches, using multiple search engines, that there was ever a player called "Sa Aung Ko Ko" playing for Woodlands Lions. Also worth noting that the creator initially tried to redirect this page to Eunos Crescent FC prior to the deletion. The only evidence that I can find for the existence of this person is Cosmo League, which is not WP:RS. Funnily enough, that link says he plays for Gaelic Lions FC.

In any case, at WP:FOOTY, we don't redirect players to clubs as most players change clubs multiple teams during their careers so a redirect would only cause confusion. In this case, I strongly oppose it as there is not even one source to link this player to Woodlands Lions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today's featured article

Today's featured article → Wikipedia:Today's featured article (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unnecessary XNR redirect. RaschenTechner (talk) 17:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, harmless and mildly useful, 100+ views per year, no evidence the people using the redirect were unhappy with the destination. —Kusma (talk) 17:59, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't see what other page would be called "Today's featured article", and I concur with Kusma in saying that I don't think people would be unhappy with the destination. PickleG13 (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, seems like a couple of people type this in every week. Randy Kryn (talk) 00:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nien

Nien → TripleS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The member is not that popular and she wouldnt be the primary topic for Nien. Theres also no dab page for Nien. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 17:05, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep' The only other destination would be a dictionary definition for a foreign word, and 'not popular' is a judgement call, not a proper reason for deletion. Nathannah • 📮 20:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

United States intelligence

United States intelligence → United States Intelligence Community (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

That should be the CIA. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The U.S. has multiple intelligence agencies, not just the CIA, and the current target acts as a broad concept article covering them. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:50, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:17, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, targeting the CIA would be way too narrow. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:43, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The intelligence community is many things, and it does include the CIA, but there is no reason for this to be its only focus as a redirect. When people are searching for United States intelligence, they could be looking for a broad array of things. PickleG13 (talk) 19:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There's probably a joke to be made here, but I'll let y'all fill in the blanks 35.139.154.158 (talk) 04:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Het route

Het route → Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Heth route → Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Khet route → Gaza Strip smuggling tunnels (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Het route – redirect

No mention on target page, not useful as a redirect. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the page history of Het route?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of not seen Shen Gong Wu

List of not seen Shen Gong Wu → Xiaolin Showdown (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible redirect and unlikely search term. It was probably created as an article when the show was airing, then turned into a redirect, but now that the show has ended, all Shen Gong Wus in it has been revealed 2603:7000:2600:298D:9831:C2C5:FB11:96C7 (talk) 13:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete useless redirect now that the show has long been over. Thepharoah17 (talk) 07:35, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lexington Park, MD μSA

Lexington Park, MD μSA → St. Mary's County, Maryland (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I believe this redirect should be deleted as the μSA now encompasses 2 US counties I do not think it should remain as a redirect as the Lexington Park μSA is no longer coextensive with St. Mary's County. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I am the pootis man1 (talk • contribs) 12:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The Lexington Park, MD Micropolitan Statistical Area no longer appears in the OMB's standards, but when it did, it was contiguous with the county boundaries. The micropolitan statistical area was replaced by a metropolitan statistical area in 2013. The California-Lexington Park, MD Metropolitan Statistical Area was also contiguous with St. Mary's County. The most recent OMB bulletin (July 2023) defined the Lexington Park, MD Metropolitan Statistical Area as covering both Calvert County and St. Mary's County. The Census Bureau has the historical bulletins available for review. - Eureka Lott 14:54, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete If the μSA no longer exists, then this redirect could cause confusion with the new MSA. I've updated the target to reflect the findings made by Eureka Lott. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete this and consider the same for the MSA given that the target article mentions no such thing. These either need to be articles, or the targets need to describe these areas and give some history for them. Mangoe (talk) 19:33, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Glen Hall, Indiana

Glen Hall, Indiana → Glenhall, Indiana (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete I moved this town to the correct name as given by GNIS. I could find no references to it under the old name, and it appears that it's just something the original author just made up (I've found other such errors in the articles created for this county). Given a lack of external usage this should just go away so as not to create the impression of a legitimate alternate spelling. Mangoe (talk) 11:42, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The reference for the post office has Glen Hall (1866-1894), Glenhall (1894-1904), which I would interpret as the post office having the name of "Glen Hall" until 1894 when it was renamed as "Glenhall". I did find this from 1890 which may help attest "Glen Hall" as a pre-1894 spelling. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

9,568 recently-created redirects from SCOTUS cases

This is a bulk nomination of the results of quarry:query/94763, redirects created by PickleG13 from the names of U.S. Supreme court cases to sublists of Lists of United States Supreme Court cases by volume. (There are only 15 such redirects created by other users, which should be assessed separately as they may have more complex backstories.) I hate to undo what was clearly a lot of work by someone trying to improve the encyclopedia, but these 9,568 are all not just useless but worse than useless. Essentially all SCOTUS cases are notable to some degree. For the distinct minority that don't pass GNG, there is still usually room for a substantive mention in some article, like Hamm v. Smith. When a user encounters a redlinked Supreme Court case, that should be an immediate sign of an opportunity to improve the encyclopedia, either by writing an article or redirecting to an article with a substantive mention. However, these case lists merely give the most basic metadata. They don't tell the reader much other than the case existing, which they likely already knew; and if all they wanted to know was what year the case was that basic metadata, the search results will still tell them.

Lethargilistic has already commented on PickleG13's talk about how this undiscussed mass creation has seriously interfered with his workflow. I noticed this because I was rereading a GA I wrote and was excited to see that a case I redlinked in it was now blue. The way I describe that case is basically begging someone to turn the redlink blue, but now they'd have to click on it to know that we don't actually have an article on the case. This is why WP:REDDEAL says A red link to an article that will plausibly be created in the future should be 'left alone rather than being created as a minimal stub article that has no useful information.' ... Red links serve the purpose of notifying readers that a need exists in Wikipedia for the creation of a new article with at least minimal information content. ... The red link may identify a need to create a redirect to another article, but only if that article comprehensively deals with the topic. and why WP:RETURNTORED says we should delete If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject. Again, I hate to delete a lot of hard work, but I think the alternative is silently discouraging many new article creations. -- 'zin^{[is short for Tamzin]} 08:30, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete — per allat Roast (talk) 11:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete all Yeah, this is bad not only for the reasoning given above, but because simply redirecting a single case into a list that only relists it by name without any explanation is simply wasting the reader's time. There may be a need to deal with relatively minor cases without writing an article on each, but this is the wrong solution to that because it isn't a solution at all, and because it hides the reality of lacking a write-up of the case. Mangoe (talk) 11:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete When I find a case that clearly falls beneath the GNG, I add a holding summary to the list page and redirect the title to that entry. Because of the design of my project of creating them, that's only happened once or twice, but I think that makes more sense than redirecting as a default. lethargilistic (talk) 17:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am the one who created these redirects, so obviously I did them in good faith. My intention was not to interfere with new article creation, and as soon as I realized that it posed a complication for another editor, I stopped midway through my project of doing so. My intention was to provide for people looking up cases on Wikipedia to be navigated at least to their year and some more sourcing details, rather than not being given any results; for those creating pages on new cases, I understand why this may not have made total sense, and I certainly didn't mean to interrupt anyone's workflow. I've made a lot of useful redirects over time, which is why I decided to embark upon this project to the tune of thousands of edits, and I would still stand by my work in arguing to Keep. I began this endeavor because I was working on a draft article with Sumanah, who redirected a court case to one of these dockets, sparking my inspiration and thus allowing me a greater sense of knowledge for the court case in question. However, if the consensus is to delete, I understand and I hope we can continue to improve Wikipedia surrounding SCOTUS cases. PickleG13 (talk) 19:17, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Decide on a case-by-case basis. I have created a handful such redirects for completeness, where it was clear that the case was too minor to justify an article. BD2412 T 00:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's any practical way to do this case-by-case, and requiring that would make this a WP:FAITACCOMPLI. But per your and Lethargilistic's comments, I wouldn't have any problem with this closing as delete all without prejudice against case-by-case recreation, allowing for those rare cases where the list entry really is a comprehensive target. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 00:36, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Woah, that is a high number of pages to be nominated. The largest moms I have ever seen.... I agree that this should be made on a case-by-case basis since it would rather take time and effort for editors to investigate each redirect and for admins to rollback/delete the pages. I will default as delete unless justification could be found. ToadetteEdit (talk) 05:05, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you to 'zin^{[is short for Tamzin]}, Roast, lethargilistic, BD2412, and ToadetteEdit for engaging in this important discussion, which connects to wider setting of precedent on Wikipedia. I created these redirects out of a fascination with cases before the Supreme Court of the United States. It was one of my biggest projects on Wikipedia, and I pursued it in a good faith attempt to genuinely make it easier for people to learn about the judicial branch. I understand that it has caused frustration and confusion, and has made some work around court case pages more complicated. While I believe that deciding on a case-by-case basis is what would handle things in an ideal way long term, and I would be willing to go through all of the pages personally to perform this work, I also understand that the consensus is leaning toward delete. I am no longer opposed to deleting these redirects, and I will do whatever I can to make sure things look the best that they can in the future, as I am so grateful to be part of our Wikipedian community. PickleG13 (talk) 06:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete essentially per nom and Mangoe. ~ Jenson (SilverLocust 💬) 08:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Max, Mon Amore

Max, Mon Amore → Max, Mon Amour (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

WP:R#D8 / WP:FORRED I could be wrong, but "mon amore" doesn even seem to be proper Italian. 🤷 Paradoctor (talk) 14:26, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it could just be an anglophone attempt to phonetically spell "amour" as "a/more" (silent-E in the English word "more") ; no opinion on deletion -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 21:31, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I doubt that. The only online mention of the term I found was http://www.yeseule.kr/pamplist.htm, apparently the personal site of a Korean otaku. Paradoctor (talk) 21:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Very weak keep – phonetic and not really harmful. Cremastra (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, plausible misspelling. There was a Universal crossword some years ago that had the clue "Love at the foot of Mt. Etna". I spent half an hour trying to figure out how to make AMORE fit there before eventually conceding the only thing that fit was AMOUR. Then I went and looked up if that was the spelling in Sicilian (nope), or if there was some French-speaking community near Mt. Etna (also nope). Turns out Universal crosswords just aren't very good. But that does show this is a plausible mix-up. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 00:47, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aerial apparatus

Aerial apparatus → Aerial (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Presumably refers to a flying machine, but that is not mentioned in the disambig being targetted under technology. I am unsure if it can refer to something else. Should be retarget this somewhere, update the disambig or just delete? Linked from only a single new article (formerly, it was just a rough translation which I corrected). A potential better redirect target, if we want to keep this curio, could be flying machine. _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 05:31, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment based on page history, intended target would probably be Fire Engine#Aerial apparatus — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 08:24, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it can also refer to equipment used in various forms of acrobatics/aerials, such as trapeze, aerial hoop, aerial straps, aerial silk, and so on. Skynxnex (talk) 17:29, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support disambiguate per above — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 21:05, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 19

Future US elections

2029 New Jersey gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States#State elections (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2032 United States Senate elections → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2034 United States Senate elections → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2036 United States Senate elections → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 United States elections → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2029 United States elections → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 United States elections → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2028 North Carolina gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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2028 Montana gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2028 Utah gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2028 Missouri gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2028 Washington gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2028 Indiana gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
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2030 Nebraska gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 South Dakota gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Arizona gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 South Carolina gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Georgia gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Alaska gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Hawaii gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Rhode Island gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Connecticut gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 New York gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Maryland gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Michigan gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Tennessee gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Illinois gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Wisconsin gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Minnesota gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Ohio gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Iowa gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Oklahoma gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Nevada gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 New Mexico gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Colorado gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Idaho gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Alabama gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Texas gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Maine gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2028 New Hampshire gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Pennsylvania gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Florida gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Arkansas gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Kansas gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2030 Wyoming gubernatorial election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirects for next US elections are not needed, red link encourages creation and target has nothing on them, and for most of them the election has not occurred. These pages are too far into the future to have redirects and unhelpful for readers. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 23:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All of these are created by the same creator Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 00:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom and WP:CRYSTAL. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 00:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just Delete them, I tired of this, I learned my lesson, and I don't want to be connected with them any longer Fad8229 (talk) 02:04, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And maybe as a sorry, I can even make the drafts for those articles if you want. Fad8229 (talk) 02:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't need to do anything extra Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 03:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom and WP:TOOSOON. A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 20:28, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2030 South Korean presidential election

2030 South Korean presidential election → Elections in South Korea (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Target does not mention 2030 election, unhelpful redirect. Redlink is better to encourage creation when needed Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 23:49, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Man-Wolf (film)

Man-Wolf (film) → John Jameson (character)#Film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misleading redirect. No mention of a Man-Wolf film anywhere in the target article. I am also requesting the deletion of the associated former draft-turned-redirect Draft:Man-Wolf (film). These were created solely based on an online rumor. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 23:10, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blade (2025 upcoming film)

Blade (2025 upcoming film) → List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films#Blade (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Factually incorrect and improper disambiguation that was erroneously created and accepted as a separate draft from Draft:Blade (upcoming film). There is no Blade film set to release this year, and the contents of this redirect's history are not worth keeping when compared to the more developed draft. Should the Blade film eventuate, that is already covered by the appropriately titled Blade (upcoming film) redirect. For reference, Blade (2025 film) no longer exists. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 22:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as misleading and factually incorrect. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Flyover ramp

Flyover ramp → Overpass (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A Flyover in British English is an overpass in American English, but a Flyover ramp is a different thing entirely. I don't think that overpass is the best target for this, possibly Interchange (road) would be better Oiyarbepsy (talk) 22:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support retarget to Interchange (road); looking I think unrefined is acceptable. Skynxnex (talk) 17:33, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Long/short grain

Long grain → Wood grain#Long grain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Short grain → Wood grain#Short grain (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Neither is mentioned in the target article, leaving the connections between the redirects and the target unclear. (These are section redirects, and neither section is present in the article; content may have been removed.) Steel1943 (talk) 15:30, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. My immediate thought was rice, and there is at least a bit of discussion about grain length at Rice as food. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:44, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An apathetic Keep. Both are important terms and should be targets within a section that doesn't currently exist on cutting timber and the resultant shapes, and their strength. But who writes anything any more? Andy Dingley (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also all the inbound links are woodworking, and nothing is about cookery. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget. My immediate thought was also rice. Better to retarget to Rice as food. Katiedevi (talk) 16:01, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment for what it's worth, here's the current situation with similar redirects related to Rice:

Short grain rice is a redirect that targets Rice
Long grain rice is a redirect that targets Rice
Long-grain rice is a redirect that targets Rice#Ecotypes and cultivars

... Since these redirects may be affected by this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 16:13, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lean keep or consider DAB page. As noted by Andy, all incoming links in article space are in the context of wood grain. Readers would be astonished to end up at Rice but would likely understand landing at Wood grain and may find the article useful even if it doesn't contain these sections. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 17:31, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate this is just as likely to be about rice -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 18:36, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig. About 60-70% of the internal search results relate to rice, with all but one of the rest related to wood (the exception being Grain (magazine)#Short Grain contest, which is not a useful target even for a dab page). Thryduulf (talk) 11:08, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: For those who are voting "disambiguate" ... disambiguate at what title? From what I see, these are both WP:PTMs, and even then, it would not make sense to redirect one towards the other if the "other" is made a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 19:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- They're both adjectives, so make it a set index of things that could be described with the adjective. Or just do an WP:IAR disambiguation page for each instead. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 22:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate: Wood grain; and long grain rice. cagliost (talk) 20:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Big Steel

Big Steel → U.S. Steel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It was created because it was an apparently once a common nickname for U.S. Steel. However, shouldn't this actually be an article about large Steel corporations? I think this redirect should be Blanked to encourage users to create an article about Big Steel. There is already Big Oil, and Big Tech. Surely there should be some sort of article on Big Steel. Right? Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:29, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't blank articles without redirect; we do "delete per WP:REDLINK" though. Steel1943 (talk) 01:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Servite et contribuere: Can you provide some sources to support the nomination? Jay 💬 02:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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B1454 road

B1454 road → B roads in Zone 1 of the Great Britain numbering scheme (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

non-existent road harrz ^talk 10:56, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This one does appear to exist [1], but it's not currently mentioned in the target article. I'd say keep and add mention. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:FAB8:C00:A757:B61E (talk) 00:37, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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KineMaster

KineMaster → List of video editing software#Proprietary (commercial) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirected to a section that doesn't contain text "KineMaster" was removed by MrOllie. OOCJZ (talk) 22:47, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restore and AfD. Jay 💬 07:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete without opposition to recreation. the extremely few sources across all previous diffs were of debatable everything, not limited to reliability, usability, and existence. the content of the diffs that weren't vandalism was also pretty promotional, so i couldn't see it sticking in mainspace for long. however, i did actually find some sources that seem to be potentially useful, so it can likely be recreated if someone's in the mood consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 11:38, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2032 United States presidential election

2032 United States presidential election → Elections in the United States (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Page was redirected earlier this week, then created by an IP twice, with no sources. Nominating the redirect for deletion as there is no info of this election at target, with the 2028 election discussion as precedent Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:41, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request for this to be SALTed until 2028 as well Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:43, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to make a redirect to prevent this exact thing. Look's like I opened up pandora's box with that one. Fad8229 (talk) 18:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anyways if you were to bring back the redirect. I would really appreciate it. Fad8229 (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I told you earlier, I don't see a reason to delete this article entirely when we can add more information about it as time progresses. What I began with is a perfect starter for the article, so I suggest we just leave it where it is now and add more information to it as time progresses. So, with this in mind, am I allowed to re-add the starter? 2600:8804:1300:C8:72BC:5FE4:A087:7C76 (talk) 21:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and support salting until after the 2028 election, as well. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 22:56, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A better idea would be to turn it into an actual article and make changes along the way, just like we're doing for the 2028 presidential election. What do you say? If yes, I will make those adjustments pronto for 2032. 2600:8804:1300:C8:D31B:CB35:881A:EAB4 (talk) 23:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think people are going to be confused by this for 2032, because they don't seem confused by this for 2028. 2600:8804:1300:C8:D31B:CB35:881A:EAB4 (talk) 23:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As has been the case for the prior election articles, the next one is only made around or after the most recent election. CRYSTAL applies. An article for the 2032 election does not pass WP:GNG, and given the current state of the United States government, I do not think we can presume (which is what crystal is all about), that an election after 2028 is definitive, but that is a whole other can of worms. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 23:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You know what I'm going to do? I am going to try one more time to make the 2032 election an actual article, and if it somehow gets reverted by another user, I am going to stay out of the problem and let other users deal with it, because I am a relatively new editor and I do not want to open up another Pandora's box. 2600:8804:1300:C8:D31B:CB35:881A:EAB4 (talk) 00:07, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is not how this works. You can incubate it in the draftspace at Draft:2032 United States presidential election, but once a redirect is brought to RfD, you cannot alter that. It is far WP:TOOSOON for an article on this future election. — Trailblazer¹⁰¹🔥^{(discuss · contribs)} 00:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and WP:TOOSOON. Also support salting until after the ~~2008~~ 2028 election. A. (talk) 20:24, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @A. Randomdude0000: You mean 2028. BD2412 T 00:17, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noted and corrected. Thanks! A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 00:54, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buppie

Buppie → African-American middle class (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Deletion. The target is not a synonym. It may be related, but "Buppie" is not mentioned anywhere, and neither is "yuppie", from which "buppie" is derived. GA-RT-22 (talk) 08:54, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. I agree it is not a synonym. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and add a merge tag to the target or to yuppie. Jay 💬 02:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to wikt:buppie where the term is explained. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Uyrapuru

Uyrapuru → Uýra Sodoma (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article. Without a clear connection, this redirect is a possible WP:BLP issue. Steel1943 (talk) 04:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.adua.org.br/mobile/frame1.php?pagina=noticia2.php&ID_ARTIGO=3697 She says Uyra stands for Uyrapuru. Ninixed (talk) 05:00, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again, "Not mentioned in target article". Add it to the article, or allow this to be deleted. Steel1943 (talk) 05:14, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not able to access the above source, but AGF keep and tag as {{R without mention}}. Jay 💬 07:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm WP:AGF'ing too, but the problem with just letting the issue remain and slapping a {{R without mention}} is that the template categorizes the redirect into a maintenance category that paraphrasing says "add the mention to the article or nominate the redirect for RfD to get deleted". Well, we are already at RfD, so either the redirect gets added to the article or we get this deleted. No point keeping this issue in an infinite loop with no end. Steel1943 (talk) 22:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arab terrorism

Arab terrorism → Islamic terrorism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Very inappropriate redirect, should have been deleted after this discussion which resulted in the deletion of Arab terrorist. Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Bondegezou (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Frontier Park

Frontier Park → Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

An article at this title created by Burkouri was recently redirected to St. Charles, Missouri by Onel5969. I have moved the page history of the former article to Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) to avoid confusion. There are a lot of parks with this name, so it doesn't seem appropriate to have a redirect to the city where just one of them is, nor to have a set index article since most of the hits I found on Wikipedia were rather run-of-the-mill. Paul_012 (talk) 14:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Instead of trying to figure out how to best handle a title that could refer to several non-notable places, it may be best to undo the BLARing of Frontier Park (St. Charles, Missouri) and nominate it for deletion. If that proposal succeeds, Frontier Park can also be safely deleted. - Eureka Lott 00:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seggs

Seggs → Sexual intercourse (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

could also refer to human sexual activity in general User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:51, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Sexual slang#Sexual slang and social media, where its specific usage is mentioned (or make an anchor to be robust to section name changes!) 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:36, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, possibly Algospeak too; there seem to be a few different possibilities here. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Either target is fine with me Duckmather (talk) 16:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mercy fuck

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: refine

Self-rolling carriage

Self-rolling carriage → Car#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Self-propelling carriage → Car#History (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should these perhaps target Horseless carriage? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 11:30, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry killers

Jerry killers → Peanut (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I have no idea what this is and it’s not mentioned on the target page either. Thepharoah17 (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. A quick search on Google doesn't seem to turn up "peanut". 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 10:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm also unable to explain the connection, even googling "Jerry killers" "peanut" -Wikipedia is unenlightening. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete best guess is the creator (oh so long ago now) knew someone named Jerry who was allergic to peanuts. Or another in joke, not that it really matters now. Skynxnex (talk) 14:35, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Skynxnex, probably a nonsense/inside joke redirect left over from the Wikipedia days of old — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 18:02, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no relation. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:31, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as confusing at best --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:41, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aamer Haleem

Aamer Haleem → Bands Reunited (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Barely any mention of him in target, not worth a redirect. Thepharoah17 (talk) 08:37, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Football redirects

2026–27 Ukrainian Premier League → Ukrainian Premier League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Belgian Pro League → Belgian Pro League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 First Professional Football League (Bulgaria) → First Professional Football League (Bulgaria) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Czech First League → Czech First League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Meistriliiga → Meistriliiga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Faroe Islands Premier League → Faroe Islands Premier League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Veikkausliiga → Veikkausliiga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Erovnuli Liga → Erovnuli Liga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Bundesliga → Bundesliga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Gibraltar Football League → Gibraltar Football League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Super League Greece → Super League Greece (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Nemzeti Bajnokság I → Nemzeti Bajnokság I (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Besta deild karla → Besta deild karla (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Serie A → Serie A (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Kazakhstan Premier League → Kazakhstan Premier League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Football Superleague of Kosovo → Football Superleague of Kosovo (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 A Lyga → A Lyga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Luxembourg National Division → Luxembourg National Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Moldovan Liga → Moldovan Liga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Macedonian First Football League → Macedonian First Football League (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Eliteserien → Eliteserien (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Ekstraklasa → Ekstraklasa (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 League of Ireland Premier Division → League of Ireland Premier Division (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Liga I → Liga I (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Scottish Premiership → Scottish Premiership (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 La Liga → La Liga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Allsvenskan → Allsvenskan (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Cymru Premier → Cymru Premier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Faroe Islands Cup → Faroe Islands Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Finnish Cup → Finnish Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Georgian Cup → Georgian Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 DFB-Pokal → DFB-Pokal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Magyar Kupa → Magyar Kupa (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Icelandic Cup → Icelandic Men's Football Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Latvian Football Cup → Latvian Football Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Lithuanian Football Cup → Lithuanian Football Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Norwegian Football Cup → Norwegian Football Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 FAI Cup → FAI Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026–27 Swiss Cup → Swiss Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025–26 Welsh Cup → Welsh Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Finnish League Cup → Finnish League Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Deildabikar → Icelandic Men's Football League Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025–26 Toto Cup Al → Toto Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Kazakhstan League Cup → Kazakhstan League Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Kazakhstan League Cup → Kazakhstan League Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025–26 Northern Ireland Football League Cup → Northern Ireland Football League Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025–26 Taça da Liga → Taça da Liga (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025–26 Welsh League Cup → Welsh League Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Cypriot Super Cup → Cypriot Super Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Andorran Supercup → Andorran Supercup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Azerbaijan Supercup → Azerbaijan Supercup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Faroe Islands Super Cup → Faroe Islands Super Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Icelandic Super Cup → Icelandic Men's Football Super Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Kazakhstan Super Cup → Kazakhstan Super Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Latvian Supercup → Latvian Supercup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Lithuanian Supercup → Lithuanian Supercup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 Lithuanian Supercup → Lithuanian Supercup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2026 President of Ireland's Cup → President of Ireland's Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Russian Super Cup → Russian Super Cup (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2025 Super Coppa Sammarinese → Super Coppa Sammarinese (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirects created for no apparent reason. Only creates confusion by making wrong impression that corresponding articles were already created. Alex (talk) 07:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I agree it creates confusion, but during the previous season links to the 2025/2025-26 season were also created as redirects. I can only presume this was to prevent multiple redlinks? Phil 07:25, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They were created for 25/26 season because one person for whatever reason decided to do so (maybe he wants to be counted as article creator or whatever, I honestly have no idea what's the point). I just didn't bothered to nominate all of that cause it was already mid March. Now another person decided to do same thing, but even earlier. And why would you need to prevent redlink? Redlinks is exactly what should be there. It perfectly shows that article is still yet to be created. God knows how many times I personally clicked blue link to see the article and then seeing that it's not there. Alex (talk) 07:40, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In my understanding this articles or redirects should be created no early than May 2026 .Too early Kolya77 (talk) 08:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And as redirects they should never be created. Geschichte (talk) 12:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all there is no sense in having redirects for pages that will be created, red link to encourage creation (when the time comes), decrease confusion, and it seems that these are not mentioned at the target anyway. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 23:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all: Agree with having a date when these competition pages can be created, but I don't think May 2026 is suitable for all - for example the Super Coppa Sammarinese appears to be contested in October, so maybe a more general "start date minus 2 months" would be suitable? By then the teams competing should be known and the article can actually have something useful. If they are created when teams are known and competitions are preparing kick-off, then there would be no need for a redirect as they will already be relevant/sourced enough to have their own article. Phil 07:29, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all with exception for if any redirect where the parent article actually mentions something specific to the season being redirected (e.g. major future rule changes)- did not see any that met that criteria, all just not mentioned at target. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Wikipedia does not stage a contest for who can create these pages the fastest. They are therefore not constructive additions. Geschichte (talk) 12:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nevayda

Nevayda → Nevada (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I propose to retarget this to Nevada. Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:06, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (second choice delete, but do not retarget). This seems to be either a person's name, which we have no mentions of, or a phonetic misspelling of one or more towns, such as Nevada, Iowa (and at least one other in the list there), that pronounce it like this. However, I've found no evidence that the state is ever pronounced like this. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:11, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Trans-exclusionary

Trans-exclusionary → Gender-critical feminism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect to transphobia or drop the T. Ninixed (talk) 01:09, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you say more about the rationale for the proposal? By far the most extensive use of the phrase is at the current target, Gender-critical feminism. Transphobia only discusses it in its brief discussion of gender-critical feminism, which links back to the main article. The paragraph that Drop the T links to does not use it at all.--Trystan (talk) 12:49, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Leave Current target seems most appropriate. Bondegezou (talk) 14:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gâteau

Gâteau → Cake (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gateau → Layer cake (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does this pass WP:FORRED? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 00:32, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe refine to Cake#Sponge cake since it's mentioned, else delete per WP:FORRED— 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 03:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Gateau currently targets Layer cake, so probably should be bundled. I think it is targeted there as based (perhaps) on The French term gâteau is used for a cake in France, and in the UK it means a layer cake. being in layer cake. I think gâteau is common enough in English in names of cakes that doing something with it makes sense rather than a redlink and depending on search results? Skynxnex (talk) 14:23, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then we might as well target both to Cake, since someone searching for "Gâteau" will probably be looking for the article about cake, not just a mention of the French word. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 23:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have bundled Gateau, Balsam Cottonwood. Skynxnex (talk) 17:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Changing to disambiguate since there are a number of articles that feature 'Gateau' or 'Gâteau' in their name, such as Black Forest gateau, Petit gâteau, Gâteau nantais, etc. — [[User:VolatileAnomaly|🪫Volatile]] ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 01:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring original !vote due to misunderstanding of WP:PTM — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 07:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a French loanword, and point Gateau to the cake article to match. See wikt:gateau for more info. Disambiguation wouldn't be appropriate, because the identified items are all WP:PTMs. - Eureka Lott 02:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 18

Reading town

Reading town → Reading, Berkshire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Reading (town) → Reading, Berkshire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Town of Reading → Reading, Berkshire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Reading Town → Reading, Berkshire (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There are lots of towns named "Reading" so this isn’t correct. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget Reading_(disambiguation)#Places ? Jruderman (talk) 23:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate. There are a lot of places named "Reading" or "Reading town". There's also Reading Town F.C.. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 23:20, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Reading_(disambiguation)#Places per above, working disambig page that covers all of the above — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 05:39, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In light of the comments below, suggest including a hatnote (maybe one of those 'X redirects here') to Reading Town F.C. and Reading Town Regatta. Reading Township (dab page) is listed under Reading_(disambiguation)#Places — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 17:56, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Reading (disambiguation)#Places does not include the football club Reading Town F.C., which is listed at Reading (disambiguation)#Sport. Thryduulf (talk) 11:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, and there's also Reading Town Regatta, which is not currently listed under Reading (disambiguation)#Sport. The #Places section also does not include titles like:
(The townships are listed at Reading Township). A solution might be to make a separate disambiguation page pointing to Reading (disambiguation)#Places, Reading Township, and any "leftover" titles such as Reading Town F.C. and Reading Town Regatta. Perhaps there is something better? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 11:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While investigating the page history, I discovered Reading (town) which also redirects to Reading, Berkshire. Results of this RfD should probably be applied to that page as well — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 17:59, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The akron hammer

The akron hammer → LeBron James (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The l-train → LeBron James (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Neither of these phrases are mentioned in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:747C:71B6:4CA5:979 (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of nicknames in basketball#L where they're mentioned. (By the way, I did notice those redirects before and thought about nominating them myself.) Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pizza shop

Pizza shop → Pizza (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pizza Parlor → Pizza (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pizza place → Pizza (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pizza parlors → Pizza (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Pizza places → Pizza (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"Pizza" doesn't seem like the right target. Pizzeria is the best match I can find, but there might be something better. Pizza parlor and Pizza parlour both target Pizzeria. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 23:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget both to pizzeria. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll note that the pizzeria article was only created in 2022 explaining why those redirects don’t point there. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:41, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also you can add pizza place, pizza parlors, and pizza places to the nomination. Thepharoah17 (talk) 06:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Will do, just a moment. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 06:56, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:04, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget all to pizzeria, reasonable match and in accordance with target for Pizza restaurant as well— 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 20:20, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget all to pizzeria per above and also Thepharoah17's findings --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:28, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget all 5 redirects to Pizzeria. Everyone thinks that's the best option since all those names are alternative names of pizzeria. 1isall (talk/contribs) 15:04, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bully of Chiraq

Bully of Chiraq → FBG Duck (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target article 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:747C:71B6:4CA5:979 (talk) 23:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as there is no mention in the article this redirect is linked to. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 04:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bathys

Bathys → Discworld (world) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A quite surprising redirect, especially given the lack of mention at the target. Bathys is the name of another world that is alluded to briefly in one of the series' forty books, and surely can't be the primary intended meaning here. In fact, search results seem to produce mainly a brand or model of headphones. However, the large number of notable things starting with bathys- as a prefix cannot be ignored. Cremastra (talk) 23:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Culture of potato

Culture of potato → Potato (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Culture of strawberry → Strawberry (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Culture of peach → Peach (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Culture of apple → Apple (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Culture of vegetables → Vegetable (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I propose to refine the target to potato#cultural significance. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've added four more to the nomination. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Support~~ (though it's case sensitive, so it would have to be #Cultural significance). ~~This probably didn't need an RfD.~~ 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 21:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, "culture" might also refer to cultivation. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 21:43, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep ~~leave as is since the refinement would be ambiguous per Balsam Cottonwood~~ hatnote to resolve ambiguity per Cremastra's proposal — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 22:31, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and hatnote per the above. Cremastra (talk) 23:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A bit curious to how a hatnote to the same article would work, given there's Potato#Cultural significance and Potato#Cultivation, but would support if properly implemented — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 03:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Given we're targetting to §Cultivation, underneath that section header we could put:

Cremastra (talk) 19:02, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ya I think that’s the best way to do it Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A Google search for "culture of potato" suggests a specialized meaning within agriculture and research on potatoes. Jruderman (talk) 03:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ya that was probably what was originally meant given that the redirect was created in 2007 and this is how the potato page looked like at the time the redirect was created. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:37, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all of these; no objection to refining targets to e.g. Apple#In culture, but none of this needed an AfD, it could have been done better directly by simple editing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:04, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy close. Nominator added 4 new redirects almost a day later, and didn't even update the RFD templates on each redirect to forward to today. (Usually, I do that as a "gnomish" task, but IDC right now because ...) This discussion is turning into a WP:TRAINWRECK created by the nominator, and I'd recommend the nominator get a bit of guidance on how to do RfDs. Steel1943 (talk) 20:35, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No the vegetables one is the only I didn’t update because it was removed in an edit conflict. I updated all the other ones though. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Circleville Herald

Circleville Herald → Circleville, Ohio (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target page. मल्ल (talk) 13:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:49, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rice in Sri Lanka

Rice in Sri Lanka → Rice#Sri Lanka (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The phrase "Sri Lanka" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving readers searching this term unsatisfied with arriving at the target article. In addition, between the potential targets Rice production in Sri Lanka, Agriculture in Sri Lanka#Rice cultivation in Sri Lanka, and History of rice cultivation#Sri Lanka, it seems unclear which one of these would be the best target for the nominated redirect, causing potential WP:XY problems. Steel1943 (talk) 21:17, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943: Couldn't we turn this into a dab page? I don't think we need a full discussion here for that. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 21:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm somewhat against that since the title sounds more like either a WP:SIA or a WP:DABCONCEPT, both of which would be an inadequate disambiguation page. In my opinion, we should decide on a target, figure out if a WP:SIA is plausible here in a way that doesn't look like a WP:DABCONCEPT (which I believe will be the problem), overwrite the redirect with an article, or delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 21:43, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation pages for the intersection of two concepts are uncommon. Such a page would effectively be a Wikipedia:Navigation page, and those seem to be on the way out after a recent brief experiment. Jruderman (talk) 05:35, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Agriculture in Sri Lanka#Rice cultivation in Sri Lanka as the best place for this. We don't want quasi-dab pages. Chiswick Chap (talk) 05:49, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Rice production in Sri Lanka or delete. The redirect was created as a redirect to Rice cultivation in Sri Lanka and updated to redirect to Rice#Sri Lanka after that page was merged into Rice. Restoring it to point to the re-created article Rice production in Sri Lanka is the most conservative change. It's a better target than Agriculture in Sri Lanka#Rice cultivation in Sri Lanka (which has a {{main}} pointing to Rice production in Sri Lanka) or History of rice cultivation#Sri Lanka (which is a subtopic that should be linked from Rice production in Sri Lanka). There is a potential ambiguity issue with Sri Lankan cuisine#Rice and curry, which could be handled with a hatnote or see-also link, or taken as a reason to delete the redirect (WP:XY). Jruderman (talk) 05:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Rice production in Sri Lanka. Per Jruderman that is the most helpful target for readers using this plausible search term. I don't oppose a hatnote to the cuisine, but I don't regard it as a particularly likely search term for that. Thryduulf (talk) 10:17, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: We have two suggested articles to retarget to, either one seems preferable to the status quo.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support Retarget to Rice production in Sri Lanka as the main article Agriculture in Sri Lanka#Rice cultivation in Sri Lanka links to, with an optional hatnote to Sri Lankan cuisine#Rice and curry— 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 04:06, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vader

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: move reverted

Brexit means breakfast

Brexit means breakfast → Malapropism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Breakfast means breakfast → Malapropism#Real-life examples (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 31 § Brexit means breakfast – retarget to Malapropism#Real-life examples
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 25 § Brexit means breakfast – keep

Wildly implauslbe way to search for this topic (apparently some British politician said "breakfast" instead of "brexit" once and there was a brief brouhaha over it). And even if someone searched for this like this, they'd find no information about this specific example, as they probably would have wanted. Delete with extreme prejudice. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you can see from the previous RfDs that Steel1943 has now added, this redirect previously did make sense, as the phrase was discussed at target. The mention was then removed, but the 2024 RfD saw consensus to keep this despite that. But with respect I can't say I agree. Redirects without mention can be appropriate if their meaning is self-explanatory (e.g. a variant spelling of a name), but this phrase is a reference to something, and the target does not explain what that reference means. That makes it a false promise to our readers. Delete or restore mention. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 04:06, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per my comments in the previous discussion. I actually used the first of these redirects a couple of weeks back to find the target article when I could remember the example but not the name. A mention would be good, but that's not a prerequiste to the redirect being useful. Thryduulf (talk) 11:31, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 18:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep since before the RfD both redirects got an average of 1 view per month, but since some people find it useful that's good enough — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 04:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FChan

FChan → Furry fandom#Websites and online communities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target, doesn't seem worth a mention Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:44, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the original target was imageboard but it’s not mentioned there either so maybe it should be deleted. Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think this comment from 2010 is suggesting the addition of a mention of Fchan to the Imageboard article, however unlike other suggestions of that era it was not responded to. WikiBlame is just giving me gateway timeout errors so I can't check whether it has ever been mentioned there. Thryduulf (talk) 20:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Survival thriller

Survival thriller → Survival film (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 16 § Survival thriller – delete

WP:XY (ambiguous) issues between the redirect's current target, Thriller (genre) and Thriller film. Not mentioned in target article. Delete. Steel1943 (talk) 18:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete: I'm not concerned about ambiguity between Thriller (genre) and Thriller film because the first is a superset of the second and they hatnote each other. But I am concerned about "survival thriller" being a genre blend of Survival fiction and Thriller (genre), or Survival film and Thriller film, approaching WP:XY territory. Jruderman (talk) 23:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

JWG

JWG → John Wayne Gacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jwg → John Wayne Gacy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I would recommend either deleting both redirects or converting converting the first one into a disambiguation page and redirecting the second one to the new DAB page. In the article, Gacy is never referred to by his initials. GilaMonster536 (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless there are any more appropriate targets. A quick search seems to just return a bunch of non-notable companies and such. I suspect there are other people with the same initials, but unless someone is typically known by their initials, they probably shouldn't be used as redirects or dab entries. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Updating to Retarget to Watonga Regional Airport, per Thryduulf's find below. I'd say that even if the SIA is created, the redirect should continue to point to the airport (barring any other reasonable targets found, in which case, a dab is likely fine too). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dabify and include India–China Joint Working Group on the boundary question which has the acronym mentioned. Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~It could include other titles with "Joint Working Group" such as Joint Working Group between the Roman Catholic Church and the World Council of Churches. Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)~~[reply]

Retarget to Watonga Regional Airport per the IP and Thryduulf Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Comment There are tens, if not hundreds, of joint working groups mentioned on Wikipedia that use the JWG acronym, without any being primary. A set index/dab at Joint Working Group would be viable, and when created JWG should redirect there with a hatnote to Watonga Regional Airport which has this FAA identifier. Thryduulf (talk) 18:43, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Thryduulf: I have created a stub at Joint Working Group, but have also drafted a disambiguation page with four potential senses under JWG. I would not lose any sleep either way if the redirect went to the stub and the senses went to a JWG (disambiguation) page. BD2412 T 22:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @BD2412: Thank you for that. Disambig or retarget to Joint Working Group (Jwg should lead to the same page JWG does). I have a slight preference for retargetting, but it is slight. I do not support targetting the airport as joint working groups are by several orders of magnitude the more common, airport codes rarely are and of the three main ones IATA, ICAO and FAA the latter are almost always the least known. Thryduulf (talk) 02:57, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Thryduulf: After further researching the question and trying to find the origin of the concept of a "joint working group", I am now of the mind that the Joint Working Group stub I created should be merged into Working group. There just aren't sources about what a "joint" working group is that are in any way distinct from those for a "working group". BD2412 T 15:18, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Episode 1,447

Episode 1,447 → Final episode of The Colbert Report (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There are many series with 1447+ episodes, and the episode number is not part of the name of the target subject. Steel1943 (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Episode 1.1

Episode 1.1 → Episode 1 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

1.1 ≠ 1 Steel1943 (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move Episode 1.1 (Secret Diary of a Call Girl) over redirect as that seems to be the only notable "Episode 1.1." - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 16:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move episode article over top, per Presidentman. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Episode ####" redirects to EastEnders lists or articles (Part II of ?)

Episode 7068 → EastEnders 40th Anniversary Week (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Episode 7069 → EastEnders 40th Anniversary Week (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Episode 7070 → EastEnders 40th Anniversary Week (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Episode 7071 → EastEnders 40th Anniversary Week (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Episode 7072 → EastEnders 40th Anniversary Week (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Here we go again ... Delete all per the consensus at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 August 15#"Episode ####" redirects to EastEnders lists or articles. Steel1943 (talk) 15:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all would be curious to see an argument in favor of keeping those (who searches TV shows by episode number alone?) — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 18:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

삼성

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

Christian Godhead

Christian Godhead → God in Christianity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to Godhead in Christianity. It's a stub, but still a better target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 11:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget. Makes a lot more sense than the current redirect. GilaMonster536 (talk) 15:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The girls are fighting, aren't they

The girls are fighting, aren't they → Elon Musk–Donald Trump feud (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
The girls are fighting, aren't they? → Elon Musk–Donald Trump feud (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Suggesting delete: not mentioned at target, mostly consists of a pre-existing meme phrase. Jruderman (talk) 04:30, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, possible search term and uttered by a notable person. RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Precedent. RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A key difference is that Titanic Five had no prior referent. No argument was presented to that effect, at least. Here we have a famous person quoting an old meme in reference to current events. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:33, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't know that! Perhaps the soft redirect then? RodRabelo7 (talk) 08:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That would be better. I've adjusted my !vote. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 01:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, unmentioned. A reader looking for context about what they're searching for will find no information at the target. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 12:41, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Soft retarget to wikt:the girls are fighting, where this meme is explained. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:48, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or ~~possibly~~ soft retarget to Wikt per Presidentman, if there's more support for that. The meme has a long history and while AOC's usage may appear novel to many, it simply reflects her fluency in meme culture. Declaring the Musk–Trump feud the primary topic is recentism. There's also The Girls Are Fighting which redirects to Alpha Games. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 19:22, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 10:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soviet Onion

Soviet Onion → Soviet Union (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not a very plausible misspelling, the O and U are separated by I on a keyboard. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 09:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Google results don't reveal this to be a common typo, by far the most uses relate to a Philomena Cunk sketch about "Soviet Onion Soup", we don't have any content related to that. Thryduulf (talk) 11:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep As mentioned by Thryduulf, this is a gag from Philomena Cunk. It's not the most plausible misspelling, but I don't see any harm in having the redirect point to the correct term. Alternatively, a mention could be added at Philomena Cunk or Cunk on Earth. In any case, I don't think deletion is the best solution here. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:56, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment maybe retarget to Siberian onion? Thepharoah17 (talk) 18:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Rewben Aladeen

User:Rewben Aladeen → The Dictator (2012 film)#Plot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is this ok or allowed? It’s definitely weird. Thepharoah17 (talk) 09:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, there is a note on the user's talk page here questioning the legality of such a thing. Thepharoah17 (talk) 09:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Convert to a soft redirect unless the user requests deletion. This maintains the link the user wants but removes all the confusion, etc caused by a hard link. I've not looked in this case, but pretty much every previous time base user page to articlespace redirects have appeared here it has been the result of someone using their user page as a sandbox to write an article and then moving that to mainspace, those have been converted to soft redirects too. Thryduulf (talk) 11:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The user has not been active for eleven years. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 11:30, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki page

Wiki page → Main Page (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was originally created as a redirect to Wiki and then changed to point to the Main Page. It's quite vague, similar to The Wikipedia page (which was recently nominated and deleted), a former redirect to Wikipedia. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 09:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Wiki, since "Wiki page" could plausibly refer to pages on other wikis. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:58, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do not keep per nom. No opinion on this redirect's fate otherwise. Steel1943 (talk) 18:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wiki as it's used (albeit once) in mainspace in that context. A trout to LOLCAFAN for the silly retargeting of an old redirect. Dan Leonard (talk • contribs) 18:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wiki, could have been done without RfD. —Kusma (talk) 18:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Salt and vinegar

Salt and Vinegar → Potato chips#Flavored chips (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Salt & vinegar → Potato chips#Flavoring (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sea salt and vinegar → Potato chips#Flavored chips (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Salt and vinegar → Vinegar#Grains (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These all need the same target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 06:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: the article Salt and vinegar chips exists. Jruderman (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Incredulity

Incredulity → Argument from incredulity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Retarget to Credulity as {{R from antonym}} or transform into disambiguation page. Ninixed (talk) 05:40, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It mostly refer to irreligion, disbelief, or incredibility. Ninixed (talk) 05:41, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Credulity per nom, seems to be a better match. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 12:18, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Video game key

Video game key → Product key (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This also refers to key items, doesn't it? Ninixed (talk) 05:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and hatnote to Item (game terminology). Or if anyone proposes a third item, disambiguate to those three. Anarchyte (talk) 08:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (very weak oppose a hatnote). A "key item" would not simply be called a "key"; this would much more likely instead refer to an actual key in a video game. And even that seems like a weird, overly-specific thing to search for, and an odd way to do it. Note that plain game key also redirects here already too. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 12:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong cityscape

Hong Kong cityscape → Hong Kong (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Pointless redirect unless we were to have cityscape for every city. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:46, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Central, Hong Kong is probably a more suitable target, though I'm not fully convinced the redirect is worth keeping. --BDD (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SB 4-C

SB 4-C → Detention and deportation of American citizens in the second Trump administration#Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Incorrectly tagged with PROD by Armeym (talk · contribs) with rationale: Redirect destination contains no information about what SB 4-C is or does, except for a single instance where its use is mentioned. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:22, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Returned ticket

Returned ticket → Passenger rail transport in China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Same as below. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 03:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete as not right target and don’t know what would be a better target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:41, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unreserved seat

Unreserved seat → Passenger rail transport in China (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I don't know what it is with all these non-Chinese titles redirecting to articles about Chinese trains, but this title is very ambiguous. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 03:43, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete as not right target and don’t know what would be a better target. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:40, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete or retarget to Seating assignment (where Reserved seating redirects) (my preference between the two has changed multiple times while writing this comment). Seating assignment is the closest encyclopaedic content that I can find, but that article is about seating in entertainment venues not other places that might have reserved or unreserved seating such as transport or governmental assemblies (Reserved seats redirects to Reserved political positions, although I'm not sure it should). There is almost certainly scope for at least a broad concept article about seat reservations in general and that would be the best target for this. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Seating assignment should at least be expanded to included transportation IMO, which would strengthen the case for retargeting. I'm not sure what the best way to deal with the political examples would be, though. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Westlake, Washington

Westlake, Washington → Moses Lake, Washington (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No mention in article Is la🏳️‍⚧ 00:27, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Westlake, Seattle, the only place in Washington listed at the Westlake disambiguation page. Thryduulf (talk) 11:38, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It appears in GNIS as the only Westlake in Washington and it's approximately in the location of Moses Lake, but there isn't a mention of it in the article and I can't find an RS to add a mention. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 14:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I came across that as well. I might take a crack at what my uni library has to see if I can find an RS. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 17:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

Multi-party democracies

Multi-party democracies → Multi-party system (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The redirect and its current target don’t necessarily mean the same thing. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I suggest adding Multiparty democracy, Multi-party democracy, and Multi party democracy to this RfD. Jruderman (talk) 12:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question: What is the other possible meaning of "multi-party democracy"? Jruderman (talk) 12:38, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Train system

Train system → Chinese Train Control System (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not exclusive to China but I don’t know where to retarget to Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Rail transport operations per JustJourney. Thepharoah17 (talk) 00:25, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget. Maybe Train station or Train? I don't know either. If there's no suitable target, perhaps it should just be deleted. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 03:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
very weak retarget to Rail transport to match rail system, but I'm not sure we can't do better. Thryduulf (talk) 10:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Rail transport operations. It explains train systems in detail, and I think it is a suitable target. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:19, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, agree, thanks for finding a suitable target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 00:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Xinjiang region

Xinjiang region → Xinjiang (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per the hatnote on the current target, East Turkestan seems like the more appropriate target Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:20, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – the term "Xinjiang region" in the wild seems to almost always be prefaced by the word "China's", presumably as a shorthand for "China's Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region". Bailmoney27 ^talk 02:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Targeting any article other than Xinjiang would be surprising for most readers. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Presidentman. It's worth noting that Xinjiang is legally a region (an autonomous region 自治区), not a province. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:07, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the correct target would be Chinese socialism. I could be wrong though. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Chinese socialism, a disambiguation page which mentions the current target and other probably relevant topics. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 00:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Chinese socialism per above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asia ex-Japan

Asia ex-Japan → Economy of Asia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

What?! Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. "Asia ex-Japan (AxJ) refers to the economic region of countries located in Asia, but not including Japan." [2] See also: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 03:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But the target article includes Japan. It even happens to have an image of Tokyo in the infobox, though it doesn't necessarily have to. Is this a likely search term for a reader who wants to know about the economy of Asia generally? If they're specifically looking for the Asian economy minus Japan, will this be good enough or will they be disappointed? --BDD (talk) 19:31, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The article Economy of Asia neither mentions this term nor analyzes this subset. We wouldn't keep a redirect from "Economy of Asia, except for Japan" and we shouldn't keep this one either. Jruderman (talk) 11:43, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Columbia (Sony)

Columbia (Sony) → Columbia Records (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Sony also owns the Columbia film company so there is no obvious target. Delete as this is too hyperspecific for a disambig page Kinopiko ^talk 21:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Columbia#Arts and media companies where all the possibilities are listed. Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Plain rice

Plain rice → Rice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Whatever this redirect is meant to represent, I do not believe that the generic article about Rice is the appropriate target. If anything, this phrase most likely refers to Rice as food, but even that is unclear. Maybe be best to delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think redirecting to Rice as Food makes more sense -- in that its descriptive of the thing being consumed (it's plain") rather than of the species or the product. Sadads (talk) 22:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In British usage, "Plain rice" (white steamed rice) is distinguished from "fried rice" or other "special" (with shrimp, etc) rice dishes. All this should be in Rice as food. Chiswick Chap (talk) 04:28, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unmentioned rice cultivars

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

Rice gadu

Rice gadu → Rice#Harvesting.2C drying and milling (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "gadu" is mentioned nowhere in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target article unclear. (This redirect was formally an article that was subject to a WP:BLAR in 2014 after existing for 2 months.) Steel1943 (talk) 20:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vancouver ramming

Vancouver ramming → 2025 Vancouver car attack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Vancouver car attack → 2025 Vancouver car attack (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A local here, might be too vague, as that could refer to 2011 Vancouver Stanley Cup riot or 1994 Vancouver Stanley Cup riot. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:54, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I could be missing something, but neither article about the Stanley Cup riots mentions a ramming/car attack. There were cars that was burned in the 2011 riot, but that is more an attack on a car. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 14:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

South Street shooting

South Street shooting → 2022 Philadelphia shooting (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Too vague, was page's original title Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:43, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, the target article is about a shooting on South Street. Are there other South Street shootings we could consider for a disambiguation page? -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Tavix. This appears to be the only encyclopaedically notable shooting to have happened on a South Street. Thryduulf (talk) 21:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above. There doesn't seem to be another shooting on a "South Street" anywhere that's mentioned on enwiki. Ping me if others find examples. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese officials

Chinese officials → Scholar-official (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Russian officials → Government of Russia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Israeli officials → Israeli system of government (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Too vague a term. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:29, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose too vague a nomination. Johnbod (talk) 00:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stephane Kasriel

Stephane Kasriel → Upwork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

delete: wandering VIP; not mentioned in Upwork. Better keep redlink until a bio written. --Altenmann >talk 18:30, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. Actually, there was bio, but removed as nn. Can it be salvaged, since it was erased outside the AfD process? --Altenmann >talk 18:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore without prejudice to AfD per the above. Thryduulf (talk) 21:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Since until now nobody cared, IMO PROD suffice, not to bother many people. --Altenmann >talk 00:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Development of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

Development of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim → The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim#Development (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Generally, I don't think redirects to specific sections of articles should be created, unless they were an article at some point. Based on this precedence, there could be redirects like Gameplay of The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim or Development of Fallout 3 and so on. Mika1h (talk) 18:21, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Directs readers to their intended content. Steel1943 (talk) 18:41, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Highly improbable search term. And in arcticles, there is a conenient template for redirecting to sections: {{section link}}. --Altenmann >talk 18:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify that redirects to sections are of course fine (in this case alternative titles or spin-off media). What I meant that these kinds of [section title] of [article title]-type redirects are not appropriate. --Mika1h (talk) 19:19, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree that such redirects are inappropriate, given that the redirect targets exactly what is its title within a section of the respective target article. (Will I go out of my way to create such redirects? Absolutely not, but it definitely goes the right place.) The target section is exactly what the redirect mentions; given the content of the target section, it seems the subject of this redirect is probably not notable enough for a standalone article, so a redirect to the current target is the best we have and probably will have forever. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Like I alluded to previously, by that logic we could create thousands of similar redirects for media articles. Why are we giving this redirect a pass? A random example: So you wouldn't object to the creation of Gameplay of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (PlayStation video game), Development and release of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (PlayStation video game), Reception of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone (PlayStation video game). --Mika1h (talk) 21:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Best way for me to respond to this is ... On RfD, you will find editors who will claim WP:PANDORA is a problem, and others who claim it's not a problem or a valid concern. In most cases, the latter camp "wins" consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 22:50, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't care about winning, I just want to build a better encyclopedia. --Mika1h (talk) 00:35, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"I just want to build a better encyclopedia." No kidding, that's why we are all here, or at least why we should be. If you feel like having WP:PANDORA more accepted, feel free to start a discussion. For me, I'm too tired of trying to argue for WP:PANDORA (your argument, which I agree with) that I'm just like ... whatever, it exists, and I'm not going to create more similar redirects. So regarding the "Sorry to disappoint you..." statement: Nope, your stance is my preferred stance, so thanks for hitting me with friendly fire. Steel1943 (talk) 00:42, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Steel. Plausible search term that unambiguously leads to the relevant content. Thryduulf (talk) 21:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as creator. I occasionally create these when the development section is long enough. We have some articles with similar titles, including one from the same series, and it is a plausible search title, so I think it should be kept. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How is it a plausible search term opposed to hundreds if not thousands of other media articles with sourced development/production sections? Just because Oblivion's development has an article, we shouldn't create a redirect for every Elder Scrolls game. --Mika1h (talk) 22:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, my judge for whether I make this kind of redirect is whether there is a large, substantial amount of content about the specific topic in the article. I don't see why it's a problem. Just because this exists doesn't mean that tons of others will suddenly exist, and even if it did, I don't see why that would be a problem. QuicoleJR (talk) 01:40, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mitten Squad

Mitten Squad → The Elder Scrolls: Legends (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Youtuber who is not mentioned at the target article or any other article. Also not mentioned at the target article when the redirect was created, so the info was not removed at some point: [3]. Mika1h (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Foldable

Foldable → Folding (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I suggest retargeting to foldable smartphone (and adding Template:redirects to the target) Stumbling9655 (talk) 11:41, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

50/50 keep/delete, but do not retarget. Why? This is inherently vague without a clear target. Either leave it at the dab page as a catch-all for various forms of "fold", or just delete, since even the best matches there are WP:PTMs. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:17, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this is an ambiguous term and redirects to an appropriate disambiguation page. harrz ^talk 13:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or delete per 35.139.154.158. Steel1943 (talk) 15:41, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
strong oppose clearly not. Is your foldable chair not foldable or something? Atleast the current target has a selection that includes wiktionary and non-smartphone topics -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 18:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Google results for foldable -Wikipedia relate to many things - bags/suitcases, smartphones, chairs, bicycles, wheelchairs, tables and beds all appear on the first two pages with none of them coming close to being the primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 11:35, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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keep. Clearly has many meanings. --Altenmann >talk 18:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as the proposed redirect target makes no sense. cyberdog958^Talk 19:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep ambiguous word with many meanings is properly disambiguated — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 21:14, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Armadillo species redirects

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Delete all these species -> genus-list redirects per WP:REDYES and very strong existing consensus that these redirects are misleading and unhelpful. Cremastra (Go Oilers!) 13:52, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all. Species should usually not redirect to the genus. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 17:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nominator. Choess (talk) 17:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:18, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. Steel1943 (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs recorded by Post Malone

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

ISO 3166-2:UNK

ISO 3166-2:UNK → XK (user assigned code) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target, which is about ISO 3166-1 codes. ISO 3166-2 is for subdivisions, and no subdivisions are discussed in the target. I can't find reference to this code anywhere at all, though Google my just be failing me with the weird formatting. Rusalkii (talk) 16:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is no UN code in 3166-1, so UNK is not a valid 3166-2 code. Delete. --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:12, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this is almost certainly not a proper code as such, but a placeholder entry for when the proper value is UNKnown. Thryduulf (talk) 15:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

UNK identifies Kosovo residents to whom travel documents were issued by the United Nations Interim Administration in Kosovo (UNMIK).

Bagyblazha (talk) 14:26, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: delete or keep?
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Savior (Christianity)

Savior (Christianity) → Jesus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This should probably target Redeemer (Christianity). 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 08:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget - proposed target is reasonably the more appropriate page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:50, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget agree that proposed target is better. -- LWG ^talk 12:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember creating this redirect, but I can see no reason to oppose the above proposition. BD2412 T 01:52, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christ Agony

Christ Agony → Jesus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I might be mistaken, but would a better target be Passion of Jesus? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget - Passion of Jesus is indeed better. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget more specific target is better. -- LWG ^talk 12:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment even more specific is Agony in the Garden, but I don't know whether that's a better target. Agony of Christ redirects there, and it makes sense for the two redirects to have the same target. Jruderman (talk) 03:49, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment if this is a useful redirect, then yes, a retarget is probably in order. But I note that it has 19 page views in the last 90 days, and never more than 2 on any day. Those views may have occurred simply because the redirect exists and pops up when people type something similar in the search window. So it may be worth considering whether anyone actually uses this exact phrase as a search term; it doesn't look like a probable formulation to me. P Aculeius (talk) 12:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Christ's Agony would be a better title to redirect from. If so, I agree with Jruderman that Agony in the Garden is probably the best target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 12:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, okay. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:48, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sayings of Jesus

Sayings of Jesus → Ministry of Jesus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jesus' sayings → Jesus#Teachings and miracles (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Jesus' sayings according to the Christian Bible → Q source (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These would probably make more sense as redirects to Parables of Jesus. If not, then both should at least point to the same target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 06:47, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both and this one too: Jesus' sayings according to the Christian Bible which, perversely, points to Q source. If deletion of all three does not get consensus, then the only suitable redirect would be for all three to point to Sayings of Jesus on the cross. However, the problem is that no one page on Wikipedia is the correct redirect target. If someone searches for this search term, the reader is better served by getting the search list that shows various articles they may be interested in. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have added Jesus' sayings according to the Christian Bible per your comment above. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with the rationale that search results are more helpful than any one redirect target here. -- LWG ^talk 12:20, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget all to Ministry of Jesus. I don't see why this should point anywhere differently that Teachings of Jesus. BD2412 T 00:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samsung Galaxy S7 Series (Phone

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6.

Safe for drinking water

Safe for drinking water → Drinking water (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The use of the word "for" in this nominated redirect makes it an unlikely redirect in reference to its target. The wording of this redirect makes it seem as though a reader would be looking for a concept such as a container that can be used for safe storage of drinking water, and such information seems to not be in the target article currently. Steel1943 (talk) 07:16, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is just water that is safe for drinking, i.e. drinking water. Thryduulf (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree that the scope of 'for' in a sentence can be ambiguous at times, however, redirecting Safe for drinking water to something like water bottle, which is what seems to have been suggested, seems odd. Personally, I don't think the 'for' is confusing in this case, however, if necessary, I'd prefer that the redirect is removed altogether rather than redirecting to another article. Katiedevi (talk) 15:58, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As a redirect to drinking water, it's a mistyping of the phrase safe-for-drinking water (with hyphens), which is itself rare. The phrase "safe for drinking water" (with spaces) is more commonly used as an adjective phrase for a property of some pipes or bottles, analogous to food-grade. To the extent that the redirect helps with words-in-title searches intending to find drinking water, a new redirect from water that is safe to drink would be more natural. Jruderman (talk) 23:29, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete per nom, only because this a newly created redirect. We don't need an ambiguous term, when the unambiguous redirect with the same words but with hyphens per Jruderman could be created. Jay 💬 06:04, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep per Thryduulf. The water is safe for drinking, which is a normal way of describing drinking water where I am from. No objection to the hyphenated redirect also being created. ~~The suggestion that this redirect is more likely aimed at the newly imagined concept of a safe that you put water in is farfetched in my view.~~ BugGhost 🦗👻 06:46, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I don't see any mention about a "safe that you put water in" anywhere in this discussion (with the exception of the comment I'm responding to here). Steel1943 (talk) 12:30, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In that case it sounds like I must have misinterpretted your original comment referring to a container that can be used for safe storage of drinking water, so I've struck that part of my previous comment. BugGhost 🦗👻 05:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Thryduulf. It's true that it would be more standard English to write this with hyphens, but for non-native speakers or for users on mobile devices typing the phrase without hyphens wouldn't be surprising. I don't think the possible alternate meanings seem big enough to cause a problem here. -- LWG ^talk 15:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete. It's hard to see why anyone would search for this phrase, and if they were, that this is where they'd want to wind up. When you do an exact search for the phrase, what you wind up finding are adjectival phrases that refer to other things being "safe for drinking water", such as pipes, contaminant levels, bottle materials, etc etc. In none of those cases is this a reasonable target, since it really doesn't cover the typical things that seem to be marked this way. Weirdly-worded, vague phrases should not require guesswork to determine a redirect target. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gooner

Gooner → Goon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gooners → Arsenal F.C. supporters (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Gooning → Edging (sexual practice) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Goons → Goon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I'm not sure whether there is a primary topic for these terms or not. There's masturbation, Arsenal FC fans, henchmen, and several other possible meanings. I thought about retargeting all of them to Goon (a disambiguation page), but then I started having second thoughts, and also my edit on Gooners was reverted by Golem08, so here's an RfD instead. My opinion is still to weak retarget all of them to Goon but I am open to other opinions. Duckmather (talk) 00:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Arsenal F.C. supporters That is the main term for it (and if anything should be the main article title under commonname but I can accept consistency with similar articles). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 04:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- The C of E, did you mean to !vote for just Gooner, or also the other nominated redirects as well? --Paul_012 (talk) 12:06, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Paul 012: Gooner and Gooners to Arsenal supporters, yes. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    "Gooner" as a synonym for soccer fans may be common in England, but I assure you that the sexual meaning is much more common elsewhere. Unlikely to be the primary topic. 162 etc. (talk) 22:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Goons. Plural-to-singular is nearly always better than plural-to-anythingelse. Exceptions exist, e.g. Queens (geography) doesn't go to Queen (monarch), or Gods (polytheism) doesn't go to God (monotheism), or Indies (geography) doesn't go to Indie (disambiguation for heaps of things, most non-geographical). However, it seems very unlikely that "goons" has a meaning unrelated to the plural of "goon" — to me, it evokes a Mafia boss sending a group of thugs, any of which would be "a goon". Retargeting it to people who barrack for a specific sporting club seems very unhelpful. No opinion on anything else. Nyttend (talk) 05:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In three parts:
- Gooner(s) seems ambiguous between Arsenal supporters and those who engage in gooning (masturbation). But, based on Google and Google News results, I'm tentatively convinced that Arsenal supporters are the more common usage, and for only two targets a hatnote is preferable to redirecting to a DAB where many senses won't apply. Weak unify Gooner(s) at Arsenal F.C. supporters with hatnote to Edging (sexual practice), second choice retarget to DAB.
- Keep Gooning. The only other sense of that as a gerund is gooning (kidnapping). That sense used to be the primary landing page, but I disambiguated it and then found that 86% of clicks were going to the masturbation sense, so I retargeted there. I'd need to see strong evidence that anything else is called "gooning" nearly as often as that is to support a retarget/DAB.
- Keep Goons per Nyttend.
-- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 09:18, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Gooners and retarget Gooner to Arsenal F.C. supporters for consistency as primary topic, although a hatnote would certainly be useful to avoid confusion. Goons and gooning seem fine to me. Golem08 (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Goons, Gooners, and Gooning, retarget Gooner to Arsenal F.C. supporters with hatnote Primary targets. Worgisbor (congregate) 19:48, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have both Gooner and Gooners unified at Arsenal F.C. supporters with a hatnote. Keep Gooning. No opinion on Goons. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 20:20, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You should consider that the English Wikipedia is actually an "international version" of Wikipedia. These links should not end in a football team article. This does not make sense at all! Besides, Arsenal is not Barcelona or Real Madrid (much more coverage). I mean they are not a big deal outside the country. Edard Socceryg (talk) 14:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Arsenal are not as internationally famous as Barcelona or Real Madrid, but few clubs are – there are probably only a handful of clubs in the world in any sport which reach that level of international fame. That's not a compelling reason not to redirect to the article if that is the best target – and like Tamzin I think it probably is. Do you have any evidence that some other sense of gooner/gooners would be a more appropriate target? Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 15:45, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I dont know about the other ones but I keep the 3rd one since I think its the primary topic and I was looking for Edging (sexual practice) when I searched "gooning" and eventually came to this. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 16:42, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "Goons" pointing to "Goon" this is certainly *NOT* Arsenal and will never be Arsenal. There are so many uses, and only soccer fans will ever be related to a single particular Aresnal usage. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate "Gooning" there being Gooning (sexual practice) and Gooning (kidnapping); and acting like a goon (thug). -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. --BDD (talk) 18:33, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget all to Goon. People can find the correct article they're looking for there. A "gooner" or "gooners" can be a slang term for someone with a sexual fetish (wiktionary). I had to look that up myself, which led to here. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:08, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep "Gooning", all others can be redirected but I've only ever heard "gooning" refer to masturbation. -𝚃𝚠𝚒𝚗𝙱𝚘𝚘 (talk) 20:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Comment I oppose the current redirect to Edging (sexual practice) and support retargeting to Teen escort company. Per WP:PRECISION, this term has a clearer and more impactful definition in the context of the troubled teen industry, where “gooning” refers to the often traumatic forced transport of minors by private escort services. This usage is well-documented in journalism, advocacy and legal discourse.

Redirecting to the sexual usage, a niche internet slang, violates WP:DUE by giving undue prominence to a marginal and NSFW topic. The redirect should instead reflect real-world consequences and common usage per WP:REDIRECT — “gooning” is exactly how many users will search for content related to forced youth transport. 1keyhole (talk) 11:43, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree with you that edging is a marginal topic. On the contrary, if you google the word "gooning", nearly all of the results are about edging, and very few are about kidnapping. Duckmather (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Create a separate disambiguation page at Gooner, and redirect Gooners and Gooning there. Both uses of "Gooning" discussed in this thread are susceptible to practitioners being called "Gooners", whereas very few subjects on Goon are susceptible to being called "Gooner" or "Gooning". BD2412 T 00:27, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

COASTER

COASTER → Coaster (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This was originally created as a left-behind redirect to Coaster (rail service), a route stylized in all caps; it was then retargeted to Coaster. I don't want to undo that unilaterally, but the NCTD COASTER is the only entry on the dab stylized in all caps. I think it should probably point back there? Not sure what standard practice is on that question, though, so just bringing it here for attention :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 05:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the logo for The Coaster shows "The COASTER" ;; the boxart on Coaster (video game) shows "COASTER" -- so it is not the only use. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:46, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
lots of orgs use all caps text in their logo, but the San Diego COASTER is actually capitalized by the operating agency in running prose, which those publications aren't. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 03:17, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it as is, it will cover logo stylizations properly by pointing to the disambiguation page. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:52, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep there are multiple entries on the dab page with equal affinity to all caps. Thryduulf (talk) 14:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

💇‍♂️

💇‍♂️ → Hairstyle (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
💇 → Beauty salon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These two emojis should have the same target I think Duckmather (talk) 05:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget both to Hairstyle, I agree both should have the same target article. Additionally, "💇‍♀️" should be included too, but it already redirects to Hairstyle, so no change is necessary there. Enix150 (talk) 07:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Titles containing "(disambiguation page)"

Arthur Harvey (disambiguation page) → Arthur Harvey (disambiguation) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Wildwood Cemetery (disambiguation page) → Wildwood Cemetery (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Lincoln Academy (disambiguation page) → Lincoln Academy (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

All three were created as redirects from page moves, but none of them have any real links, with barely any recent pageviews. Redirects to disambiguation pages usually do not end in "(disambiguation page)". 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 05:36, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete all per WP:UNNATURAL. Duckmather (talk) 05:41, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Xoontor (talk) 13:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all as plausible, unambiguous and harmless. Absolutely no benefit to deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 14:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One potential benefit is preventing false reports from DPL bot if someone actually links to one of these:
Note: User:DPL bot logs all links to DAB pages except ones precisely through a correctly-formed (disambiguation) qualifier as WP:INTDAB errors.
35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's completely backwards. Bots should be programmed to deal with the encyclopaedia as it exists for readers, we should never make the readers' experience inferior because that's easier for bots. Thryduulf (talk) 16:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete, G6, as WP:RDABs: "Deleting pages unambiguously created in error or in the incorrect namespace, or redirects created by moving away from a title that was obviously unintended." No benefit comes from keeping these. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per 35.139.154.158 and WP:RDAB standards. Steel1943 (talk) 18:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

卫

卫 → Wey (state) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Could also refer to guards or Wèi (surname Wey) Duckmather (talk) 05:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to the disambiguation page Wei, which covers both the state and the surname. Alternatively we could turn this into a disambiguation page between the two relevant topics. Whatever we do with this, we should probably also create a redirect for 衛, the traditional form of this character, and point it to the same target. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:03, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Goon H.

Goon hi → Rangiora High School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Goon high → Rangiora High School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Goon High → Rangiora High School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Goon High school → Rangiora High School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Goon High School → Rangiora High School (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete, there is no mention of "Goon" in the target article, and doesn't appear to have ever been. The creator of the target, Ollieinc (talk · contribs), also created all these redirects. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:20, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment — It does appear to be a legitimate nickname. I'll leave it to others to determine if it should be added to the article, as I know nothing about schools, much less New Zealand. MWFwiki (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
At any rate, "goon hi" and "goon High school" don't seem to be good redirects; "hi" not being a synonym, and the odd casing of "Goon High school" -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:39, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
yeah, agreed. Would support a partial delete... eliminate "goon hi." "Goon High School" is probably fine. MWFwiki (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Partial keep Local here. As ridiculous as it sounds, I have genuinely heard the school referred to as “Goon High” more than the actual name of “Rangiora High”, including by a teacher who used to work there. The nickname is quite prevalent. If there is no other school with that name in the world then I think the redirect is appropriate.
Regarding “Goon hi” I think that can be deleted, though that spelling may best reflect the spelling capabilities of the average student. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 21:19, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Probably delete. Even if Goon High School is a documented local nickname, it's unlikely that a small high school in New Zealand is the primary topic here, if there is one. My US-based Google search turns up the redirect as the first hit and then a hodge-podge of unrelated pages. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Partial keep Agree with David Palmer that it is a name that the school is commonly referred to. Keep "Goon High" and "Goon High School". The rest can go in my view. Schwede 66 21:26, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment If we decide to keep it we should add a {{R from alternative name}}. I’m leaning towards keep for all of them. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all, unmentioned at the target. Strong delete of "hi" and the odd casing versions. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:55, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I've added a mention to the article using MWFwiki's source. It's also discussed at Rangiora#Toponymy. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:19, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts now that there's a mention?
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Delete "Goon hi". Keep the rest. Plausible search term and mentioned in the article. मल्ल (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

仏

仏 → Buddhahood (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

not mentioned at target; maybe retarget to Buddha (which might be a closer match, although this term is not mentioned there either) or delete? Duckmather (talk) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete per WP:FORRED (it does refer to buddha as a Chinese/Japanese character) and low pageview, but would support soft retarget to Wiktionary:仏 as an alternative, since it's a less common concept/more unusual character — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 07:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

世

世 → Shi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I don't see any topics at all that could be referred to using the symbol "世" on this dab page, so maybe delete? Duckmather (talk) 05:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:FORRED. Shì is the pinyin pronunciation of said character in Chinese, meaning "world". Definitely too tenuous a link for the English Wikipedia — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 07:14, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, I don't see any relevant topics at the disambiguation page. There is a surname written with this character, but we don't have an article about it and it's not mentioned at Shì (surname). If we eventually create an article about the surname, this can be recreated as a redirect to that article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

笑

笑 → Laughter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Laughter is not especially Chinese, so delete per WP:FORRED. Duckmather (talk) 05:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I’m not an expert in Chinese but the original target was LOL. Maybe it should be retargeted there. Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:12, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed I saw the nom just retargeted a similar redirect so I think it makes sense to have them synchronized. Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thepharaoh17: I'm happy to RfD （笑） though. Even though it is mentioned at the target, the connection between Chinese and/or Japanese and the concept of laughing is tenuous at best IMHO. Duckmather (talk) 05:19, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
（笑） is a fine redirect. It is used with precisely that formatting in digital form to represent the act of laughing, and is an exact equivalent of the use of LOL but with a specific cultural context. Without the parentheses it is just a Chinese character. Dekimasuよ! 06:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. No reason why WP:FORRED shouldn't apply here. — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 07:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ABDUL RAHIM AYOUBI

ABDUL RAHIM AYOUBI → Abdul Rahim Ayoubi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 23 § ABDUL RAHIM AYOUBI – keep

No use in all caps. I will note it was discussed previously here and was closed as keep. Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:21, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep No harm and completely unambiguous. I wouldn't necessarily create this redirect, but I don't see an issue with its existence now that it does. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 13:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I looked more into the page history and this was the original title it was at, so I think that is an even stronger argument for keep. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 13:54, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep it is spelled properly, so it is pointing at the right location -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:49, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:UNNATURAL. The move was done 3 minutes after creation, so that's not a valid excuse. Just delete useless redirects and be done with it. This isn't helping anyone and its existence just wastes the time of editors that look after redirects, which is harm. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:49, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirects exist for the readers, not the redirect wikignomes. ALLCAPS and all-miniscule are very commonly found out in the wild, where people don't particularly take care to capitalize properly, or prefer one style or another; or whose system defaults to one or the other style, ignoring capitalizations. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 23:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But this isn't reasonably helpful for readers. All caps isn't something that's used normally. And the kicker is, if you enter an all-caps (or any random mixture of casing) title in the normal search box, it already takes you to a matching page if there is one! There's absolutely no need for the redirect. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:02, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Redirects do, indeed, exist for the readers. The thing is...this would be more worth keeping if it was misspelled, instead of just being all caps. In that case, it would indicate it was a plausible misspelling, having happened at least once. In this case, if you type the name into the 'search' box, it pops up at the "correct" title regardless of caps; most people won't be typing it into the address bar, and those who do will (almost certainly) be "properly" capitalizing it. Basically, this is a completely pointless redirect. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:03, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete: Wouldn't have bothered nominating it because redirects like these do no real harm, but they also don't help at all without a case-sensitive search so their existence is entirely pointless, and if someone bothered to nominate one then I don't see why not get rid of it. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or delete depending on whatever everyone else ends up voting for. This vote is a wildcard in order to expedite closure. The redirect is pointless but this RFD entry to discuss it is equally pointless. I wish RFD listings were more focused on actually problematic redirects rather than being flooded with debating non-perfect ones. Keep or delete is equally fine. BugGhost 🦗👻 08:17, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Former Guy

The Former Guy → Donald Trump (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should this, perhaps, be retargeted to List of nicknames of presidents of the United States#Donald Trump, where the nickname is explained? 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 01:36, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a good option. I have no objection. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per nomination. Better to target a page which actually mentions the search term rather than one that doesn't. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 11:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget. Slatersteven (talk) 14:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
+1 Maxeto0910 (talk) 08:57, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Potato potato

Potato potato → Tomato#Pronunciation (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There's a mention of the differing pronunciations of "potato" at the target section, but I don't think this is a very good target. Tomato tomato redirects to Let's Call the Whole Thing Off (see there for an explanation), so "Potato potato" should either redirect there or just be deleted. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 00:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe dabify it and include Potato Potahto. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Let's Call the Whole Thing Off which is the source of the whole thing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 16

Ji Seo-yeon (singer)

Ji Seo-yeon (singer) → TripleS (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Salt evasion of Ji Seo-yeon, it is soft redirect?, TripleS member involved in several page (TripleS#Members metioned it.) after redirect AfD closure. Delete encourage article creation per WP:RETURNTORED. 216.247.95.184 (talk) 23:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep hard-redirect to TripleS. WP:PRIMARY is Ji Seo-yeon, a {{For}} hatnote could be added to the PRIMARY if appropriate. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete because she isn't even mentioned in the TripleS article as Ji Seo-yeon, she is mentioned by her stage name (JiYeon) or by a different romanisation (Ji Suh-yeon). No value in keeping this redirection. orangesclub 🍊 04:50, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: OP has been blocked for evasion. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:12, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kilma

Kilma → Katla (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Very implausible misspelling of target. GilaMonster536 (talk) 22:36, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless someone can provide a connection between the two. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As best I can tell, the only connection is that a very non-notable Icelandic band named "Katla" might have a song called "Kilma" but I'm not certain of that. All uses of "Kilma" I can find on en.wp are as given name (Kilma S. Lattin is the only one with an article at present, but he doesn't seem to be referred to by his given name alone particularly) or partial title match for the 1976 film "Kilma, Queen of the Amazons" that we don't have an article on (I have not investigated whether we should). Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Big Hero

Big Hero → Big Hero 6 (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It doesn't feel right for this to lead straight to the film article since "Big Hero 6" is a disambiguation. I am RedoStone (talk) 16:51, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Big Hero 6. मल्ल (talk) 17:03, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blo.gs

Blo.gs → Automattic (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It's not mentioned anywhere on the target page Stumbling9655 (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This has some history. It was originally created as an article in 2006 and promptly merged to Yahoo. It is mentioned at List of Yahoo-owned sites and services, which was split from the Yahoo article. It was restarted as an article in 2007 and lasted until 2016, when it was redirected to Automattic, where it was previously mentioned before being removed with this edit in 2024. 9ninety (talk) 15:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Breathe (upcoming film)

Breathe (upcoming film) → Breathe (2024 film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

2024 is no longer upcoming, and 9 pageviews per 30 days seems like "noise" to me User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:30, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now. Looking at the stats this has consistently been getting hits every few days, sometimes rising to 2-3 hits in a day, all year with a couple of slightly longer gaps. The gap since the last hit on 31 May is only very slightly longer than those other gaps so while it might be that the utility has ended it has been nominated 1-2 weeks too soon to be able to actually know that so now we need to wait a month or so after this discussion has been closed to find out whether it is actually still useful or not. Thryduulf (talk) 20:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:UFILM, it was released more than 30 days ago and pageviews have tapered off. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:06, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Tavix. Steel1943 (talk) 18:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call 9 page views per 30 days noise. It's not a lot, but unused redirects get maybe two a month. Most months they get 0. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 07:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Spider-Man (video game series)

Spider-Man (video game series) → Marvel's Spider-Man (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Spider-Man (Insomniac Games series) was moved to this title without discussion in December 2023. The article was recently moved again to Marvel's Spider-Man following this RM. One of the points I noted in that RM was that the title Spider-Man (video game series) is ambiguous with other Spider-Man video games series, such as the 2002–07 games and the early 2000s series. I think it should be retargeted to List of video games featuring Spider-Man. 9ninety (talk) 11:02, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support retarget per nom. There have been multiple series of video games about Spider-Man and a casual reader may not know that, so the redirect target should serve to help them find what they are looking for rather than assuming they're looking for the Insomniac series. silviaASH (inquire within) 18:28, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:RESULT

Wikipedia:RESULT → Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Military history#Primary infoboxes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Too ambiguous; same reason MOS:RESULT was deleted Jalapeño (u t g) 09:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Saying "MOS:RESULT was deleted" without explaining the context is somewhat misleading. What happened with it was its creator, SMcCandlish, created MOS:RESULT and then about a minute later, moved it without redirect to MOS:MILRESULT. In addition, if anything, in the "Wikipedia:" and "MOS:" namespaces, "ambiguous" is better served with a disambiguation page (provided the redirect is not too old and frequently linked). Steel1943 (talk) 15:34, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RESULT is definitely too ambiguous, and we should not be redirecting unclear WP:-namespace shortcuts to MoS sections. It would be better to make an internal disambiguation page, including MOS:MILRESULT and various other pages that have "result[s]" in their name or which tally the results of processes or catalogue common results of recurrent debates, and whatever else someone might be looking for when they take a stab at "WP:RESULT". Send WP:RESULTS to same place. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 20:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Help:Searching#Search results page to match WP:RESULTS. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:07, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whipping Boy (American band)

Whipping Boy (American band) → List of bands from the San Francisco Bay Area (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirects to a list of examples (notable entries) -- now removed from that list given this is just a redirect. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 04:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restore article without prejudice to AfD as a contested BLAR. The content was way above the A7 threshold so there is no justification for summary deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Nobody CSDed it. If you want to restore unsourced content that makes claims about living people, you can do that in your capacity as an editor, just as it was blanked by Bolelyn as an editorial decision. I don't know why you'd want to do that, though, unless you were planning on improving it (in which case, we can just speedy close this). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, agreeing with Boleyn's findings of a lack of sources and notability. I also note that the BLAR has not been contested, that would require someone to make an argument in favor of the article. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:14, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominating a BLARed article at RfD is contesting the BLAR. My recommendation to restore is also an explicit contesting of the BLAR. Thryduulf (talk) 20:35, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominating a redirect that has been blank-and-redirected is only a contestation of the WP:BLAR if they are in favor of restoration. If they support deletion of the underlying content, that's quite the opposite of a contestation. Rhododentries' response to you shows that they are not in favor of restoration. Your !vote also doesn't show any support for the article. It implies that it doesn't meet A7, but that's completely irrelevant to this discussion because this isn't WP:CSD. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Desalination membrane

Desalination membrane → Reverse osmosis (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the body of the target article in this specific manner, thus making it unclear why readers would be redirected to the current target article when searching this term. I was originally going to WP:BOLDly retarget this redirect to Membrane distillation, but after reviewing that article, I'm not convinced that that article and the nominated redirect represent the same subject, especially considering that Desalination is a separate article. Steel1943 (talk) 06:36, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - reverse osmosis relies heavily on membranes, and the section #Desalination does mention membranes quite a bit. While it doesn't outright say "desalination membrane" (except in the references) it does talk about membranes in the context of desalination a lot. --Plantman (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Switching to weak keep, more in favour of retargetting. See below. --Plantman (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I get that, but the same claim could apparently be made regarding membranes for the whole concept of Desalination in general; Reverse osmosis, Membrane distillation, and Desalination all make reference to using "membranes". Steel1943 (talk) 06:52, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943 I feel like either Reverse osmosis or Desalination is the best place for this to point to. I'm slightly leaning towards Desalination now, because it provides an overview of all the different uses of membranes in desalination process. That said, I wouldn't be opposed to keeping it as it is (pointing to RO) if there was a consensus to do so. --Plantman (talk) 07:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:51, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to say thanks Pppery for reopening this discussion. I was originally going to post a message on the closer's talk page, but I saw they are indef blocked. (I was going to argue that in the discussion's current state, I would believe this discussion would be closed to "no consensus", "retarget", or relisted again, not closed to "keep".) Steel1943 (talk) 19:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Notified of this discussion at the suggested target Desalination.
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Skeleton at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Qualification

Skeleton at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Qualification → 2026 Winter Olympics#Sports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Qualification hasn't started yet and the redirect article has no information on this particular subject. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:07, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are already a bunch of articles at Category:Qualification for the 2026 Winter Olympics and skeleton, with this redirect, is listed at the bottom of several pages. Presumably this will have its own article and a red link might help inspire its creation when the time comes. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:01, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Luge at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Qualification

Luge at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Qualification → 2026 Winter Olympics#Sports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Qualification hasn't started yet and the redirect article has no information on this particular subject. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:06, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Same reason as skeleton – There are already a bunch of articles at Category:Qualification for the 2026 Winter Olympics and skeleton, with this redirect, is listed at the bottom of several pages. Presumably this will have its own article and a red link might help inspire its creation when the time comes. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bobsleigh at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Qualification

Bobsleigh at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Qualification → 2026 Winter Olympics#Sports (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Qualification hasn't started yet and the redirect article has no information on this particular subject. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 23:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Same reason as skeleton – There are already a bunch of articles at Category:Qualification for the 2026 Winter Olympics and skeleton, with this redirect, is listed at the bottom of several pages. Presumably this will have its own article and a red link might help inspire its creation when the time comes. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merde

Merde → Shit (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No WP:FORRED. Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:00, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~. The word "merde" is not a language other than English. It is (also) the English language. It is a very real loanword in English. wikt:merde#English. Loanwords within English are not words of a language other than English. The referenced explanatory essay gives serviette as an example of an acceptable "apparently foreign word". Merde is vastly more understandable than serviette. —Alalch E. 21:27, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"serviette" is widely used in BrE, although not in AmE, so is perhaps not the best example to go by. I do question the extent that this is actually a loanword and not merely a well known foreign word, too. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, retarget to Profanity —Alalch E. 04:00, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Alalch E. Well used redirect, linked from multiple pages, gets about 10-15 pageviews a day. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:9806:2E6B:9C2D:8738 (talk) 22:37, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Either retarget to Break a leg#Alternative terms where it's mentioned thus, or delete to aid searching. The current target (shit) is a bad choice -- that article's about (surprise surprise) the english word "shit". "Merde" is unmentioned there and is not the topic of the article, despite sharing some overlapping meaning/usage. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 01:23, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "retarget to Profanity" since there is substantial precedence to not retarget examples of a subject to its parent subject in this manner. (A few years ago, I initiated a rather large RfD of redirects pointing towards Profanity, and I believe the result[s] of the discussion[s] was either "delete" or "retarget somewhere else". If I find the discussion[s], I will provide [a] link[s] to it.) Steel1943 (talk) 18:26, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Found the discussion: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 26#Redirects to Profanity. (Wow, that was almost a decade ago, surprised I remembered its existence.) Steel1943 (talk) 22:41, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The difference here is that this term is actually discussed in the profanity article, whereas those weren't. That RfD retargeted Slant (slur) to List of ethnic slurs#S, because that slur was discussed at the target, just like the term "merde" is discussed at the target that I proposed. Break a leg#Alternative terms is also okay. —Alalch E. 12:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment how do we not have an article on French profanity but we have Quebec French profanity? --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 21:37, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Break a leg#Alternative terms which is (at least to my knowledge) the main use of this loanword. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It is listed in OED as synonymous with shit[4] and several others suggest it means excrement or similar.[5][6][7] Profanity is too broad, as its meaning aligns very closely with shit. If we had an article on French profanity that discussed this term, that would be an appropriate redirect.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it's completely synonymous (and I do question the extent to which this is even English, despite the cites...even the attestations at those dictionaries all seem to be simply using it as a foreign word), it doesn't matter, because the article "shit" isn't about shit, the stuff...it's about shit, the word, which is completely unrelated to merde, the word. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:51, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Break a leg#Alternative terms I prefer the specificity offered, plus the section states its definition as the French word for shit, so interested readers can navigate as appropriate — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 21:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think retargetting to break a leg is a very good idea, as it seems quite surprising. Its use as a swear word is primary over its use among dancers and some actors, based on my searches. Cremastra (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TA2

TA2 → Terminologia Anatomica (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This should be retargetted to Trans-Am Series#TA2. That seems to be the WP:PTOPIC. I brought it here because it's a relatively new redirect. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 20:30, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment while the most common usage in Wikipedia search results is clearly the nom's suggested target, the anatomy meaning is also widely used and probably wins on long-term signficance. In my google results the overwhelming primary topic is the postcode district (see TA postcode area) and there is also the German torpedo boat TA2 among various other uses (forms, product codes, a grade of titanium, non-notable companies) so there needs to be a disambiguation page for TA2. I'm uncertain at present whether it should be primary, but I'm leaning yes. Thryduulf (talk) 02:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate I don't think there is a primary topic here based on usage, it is 3 characters and used in many different contexts, mainly as an abbreviation per Google Books/Scholar (see e.g. "P. putida (designated TA2)"). It seems highly unlikely that TA2's usage as a racing class would outweigh all of these other usages combined. On the other hand, there is that line in the Trans-Am article "TA2 is currently Trans Am's most popular class among competitors and has been exported internationally to Europe, Asia and Australia" which suggests it might qualify under the "long term significance" criterion. I'm happy to be overruled by other editors on this judgement but personally I think it isn't substantially more significant than the use of TA2 as a titanium grade. Anyways, since it's clear that a disambiguation page is needed regardless of whether it ends up at TA2 or TA2 (disambiguation), I wrote that. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 04:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Performative feminism

Performative feminism → Performative activism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I initially thought Mainstream feminism was a good target, but it's a redirect. It's often used to refer to White feminism or Imperial feminism instead too. Is the current target any better? Vivb1 (talk) 19:07, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Any type of feminism could be performative, depending on the context. I wouldn't retarget to any of those places. The current target is more germane. But while it does mention a protest that could be characterized as feminist, it doesn't use the term, leading to the danger that a reader searching the term could be looking for more specific information than we could deliver. If we can't at least fit in a mention of feminism there, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to deletion. --BDD (talk) 18:13, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I agree it is often discussed in relation to White feminism and Imperial feminism and other hegemonic feminisms, but they aren't strictly synonymous and we can't assume flavor an editor or reader might intend. Performative activism is a reasonable primer on the topic. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 00:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tulsi Bhagat

Tulsi Bhagat → Maithili Wikipedia (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No point in a redirect as there aren't generally founders of language projects and this has been deleted multiple times as an article and there is no mention or coverage of Tulsi in the target article, so it's pointless. COOLIDICAE🕶 18:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

sorry there is apparently a single mention but this is not the case for any other language article that i can tell. COOLIDICAE🕶 18:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. And I've also BLAR-ed the target to List of Wikipedias since it contained insufficient information to justify a standalone article. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:24, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with everything Pppery said and did. This is blatant self-promotion that's been going on for years, and it's a great discredit to the WMF community that they've refused to take notice. Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:20, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That last bit is a great point too, though not my point on this RFD, it's still a good one. ;) COOLIDICAE🕶 19:45, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Resisting arrest

Resisting arrest → Arrest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Resist arrest → Arrest (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned at target. Rose Abrams (T C L) 17:48, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I have added Resist arrest to this discussion as these redirects most likely need to have a synchronized result. Also, note that Resisting arrest is a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 20:19, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Drmies, the editor who performed the edit that WP:BLARed the article Resisting arrest. Steel1943 (talk) 20:25, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: I also don't know why "resisting arrest" was blanked and redirected to that article. Was that article not well-written enough to have a stand-alone page? Jarble (talk) 23:21, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I stand by my edit summary. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restore Resisting arrest and retarget Resist arrest to it. The reason given for the blar in the edit summary was "what is even the point of this? it was just a random and incomplete and poorly sourced collection of quotes from penal codes". While it was not the greatest quality article ever there was a hell of a lot of information there, much of it encyclopaedic. It needed cleanup and improvement (more prose context, removal of empty sections) not redirection or deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 02:37, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore Resisting arrest per Thryduulf. Jruderman (talk) 04:42, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore. Yup, the article should have been cleaned up not redirected. There's plenty of salvageable material. I also want to echo that the nominator's concern is valid. There absolutely should be a section about resisting arrest at the current target. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:26, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore and clean up, per those above. An important and encyclopedic concept. BD2412 T 16:44, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Restore per above. Cremastra (talk) 19:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earl of Inchequin: restoration of honours, manors, lands and tenements in Ireland.

Earl of Inchequin: restoration of honours, manors, lands and tenements in Ireland. → Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete. Created as a redirect to the current target two years ago, but I can't see why. This sounds like a quotation of a title, but the only appearance of tenements in the article is the title of an Act of Parliament: An Act for restoring unto Murrough, alias Morgan, Earl of Insiquin, all his Honours, Manors, Lands, and Tenements, in Ireland, whereof he was in Possession on the 23th of October, 1641, or at any Time since. Since this is significantly different from the original title, I don't think it's plausible enough to retain. As well, the concluding full stop is unlikely to be included, so it's even less plausible. Nyttend (talk) 04:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Previously linked from List of acts of the Parliament of England from 1660 (Special:Permalink/1143701340). Link now points to Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660. I've tagged the nominated redirect as R avoided double redirect. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:31, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's a partial title match as the nominator notes, and "Inchiquin" is misspelled to boot. I don't see how this is a plausible search term. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 15:47, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, unlikely Search term. "Inchequin" is an archaic spelling, though, so I created Earl of Inchequin. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:11, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As long as Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660 is a valid redirect to this article, then this is a valid avoided double redirect, as another title of that act. A version without the terminal period should also be created. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 10:44, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Refine to Murrough O'Brien, 1st Earl of Inchiquin#Earl of Inchequin Restoration Act 1660 (which is an anchor) as a double redirect per Tamzin. Jay 💬 07:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Entertainment complex

Entertainment complex → Family entertainment center (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Vague term that doesn't seem to have a commonly understood meaning. Google searches return the Civilization VI game element as the top results. Places whose name include the term seem to be a mix of varied uses, including indoor malls with cinemas, bowling alleys, etc.; integrated resorts with casinos; sports and leisure centres; and some others. The only definition I could find was from The Complete Real Estate Encyclopedia via thefreedictionary.com, which says an entertainment complex is "A shopping center that features theaters, restaurants, amusements,and related retail stores". The Wikipedia article for home entertainment center claims "entertainment complex" as a synonym, but I find that highly questionable. There don't seem to be good discrete targets that could be listed in a disambiguation page, so suggest deletion. Paul_012 (talk) 09:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Jothefiredragon, who first raised the issue at Talk:Family entertainment center. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:43, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~While I really want to state a specific comment. I really don't know what to say about this particular redirect.~~🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 09:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- redirect to Integrated Entertainment Business Bill as Reuters does use the term with this exact capitalization. “Thai lawmakers will begin deliberating a draft law for casinos and entertainment complexes next month”🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 11:06, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would oppose retargeting to the Thai use, as it's over-specific. Entertainment complex (Thailand) could be redirected there instead. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Paul 012 Wouldn't it be awkward that Entertainment complex (Thailand) becomes a redirect with a target but Entertainment complex page doesn't exist at all? 🐲Jothefiredragon🔥talk🧨contributions✨log🐉 14:37, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe; it's an imperfect scenario. At the very least, Entertainment Complex Bill should redirect to the draft law as it's bolded as a synonym in the first sentence (I'll go ahead and do so), so maybe the (Thailand) one doesn't need to be created. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  My concern with this option is that it is essentially a WP:PTM at best towards a {{R avoided double redirect}} when there is apparently a separate, potentially notable subject which could be called an "entertainment complex" that we just need to write an article about. Steel1943 (talk) 18:20, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete too vague Thepharoah17 (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A complex is usually either multiple buildings or a building with multiple rooms. An entertainment complex would be one where those buildings/rooms provide some kind of entertainment, which is captured in Family entertainment center. I get that the use of 'entertainment complex' in Integrated Entertainment Business Bill is not as family friendly as Family entertainment center but this simply points to the fact that perhaps a new article is needed to capture the non-family friendly aspects of an entertainment complex. It does not mean that the redirect is redundant or misleading.
I agree with Paul that redirecting to the Thai use is over-specific. Katiedevi (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as vague. Could just as well refer to Multiplex, Amusement park, and probably some other things, none of which are close enough to point to. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate. Here is a decent start on a disambiguation list - Multiplex (movie theater), amusement park, shopping mall, casinos, media-focused conglomerate, family entertainment center, entertainment center, maybe even the Thailand bill. Given the lack of encyclopedic information, the primary topic here should probably be a Wiktionary entry. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 05:02, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've never heard of most of those topics referred to as an "entertainment complex". What you have stated is essentially a WP:DABCONCEPT at best if an "entertainment complex" is a facility which may contain one or more of these. Steel1943 (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, far too vague for disambiguation: For one, I would believe a "complex" contains multiple "centers", meaning they may not be the same subject. Steel1943 (talk) 13:11, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"too vague to disambiguate" is like "too messy to clean". The topic is definitely notable, plenty of reliable sources use it even if they don't agree on what the definition is. Mathnerd314159 (talk) 17:35, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathnerd314159: "The topic is definitely notable", in this specific instance, can translate to "delete this redirect per WP:REDLINK". Steel1943 (talk) 18:15, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miley Cyprus

Miley Cyprus → Miley Cyrus (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November 22 § Miley Cyprus – keep

Implausible misspelling. Cyber the tiger🐯 (talk) 04:33, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The artist is not a ~~tree~~ country. Mdewman6 (talk) 06:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, that would be Cypress. Mdewman6 (talk) 05:39, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, very unlikely misspelling. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 08:51, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete she is not a country. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 21:12, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure? -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete highly implausible Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:43, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment is this an auto-correct error formatted redirect? -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I dont know. If anyone here uses autocorrect try this. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 15:58, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, plausible error. Examples include [8] [9] [10]. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. p isn't close enough to y or r on a qwerty keyboard for it to be plausible, and even the links tavix provided also spell her name correctly (or so i assume for the third one, i couldn't see past the ads) consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:02, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll help you with the links. First: Some critics predict the pop singer Miley Cyprus may take home the Record of the Year award... Second: Liam and Miley Cyprus have been spotted about... The third has a picture of her with the caption Miley Cyprus. The fact that those articles also spell her name correctly elsewhere in the article demonstrates that it's an error and not a deliberate choice to spell her name that way. And that there are several articles with the spelling demonstrates that it's a plausible error. Plausible errors should be kept. By the way, I'm not claiming that it's a typo so I don't care how it's typed; the error is of the autocorrect variety because Cyrus is very close to the spelling of Cyprus so some devices would assume you're trying to spell the name of the country instead of her name. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, very unlikely error. Just because you can find it being made in the wild a handful of times doesn't mean we need a redirect to match. A reasonable person wouldn't really expect this to work, and even then, I suspect (although can't be sure) that the search function would return the intended article as a top suggestion anyway. She's so (baffingly) popular and talked about, that you can make almost any random typo of her name, and find someone else has already made it somewhere. We should not be making redirects for all of those. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:15, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blood sport (BDSM)

Blood sport (BDSM) → Fetishism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A) this isn't even the correct KIND of fetish, B) this target has nothing on blood sport / blood play, nor does sexual fetishism. List of paraphilias has autovampirism and hematolagnia, which are similar but not the same as blood play (which Wiktionary defines as "Sexual activity in which a participant is deliberately cut so as to release blood.") User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:09, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. At best and worst, this redirect is WP:XY since the title and the disambiguator don't match up real well. Steel1943 (talk) 20:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Arrowroot biscuit

Arrowroot biscuit → Uraro (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arrowroot biscuits → Arrowroot (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

there is also an australian biscuit called a "milk arrowroot biscuit" that, based off my research, looks to be different from uraro User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. And Arrowroot biscuits redirects to Arrowroot, so we should sort that out too. There are mentions of the Australian type at Arnott's Group, Cecil Augustus Motteram, William Arnott (biscuit manufacturer). Biscuit also names arrowroot as a variety and has an image of one. So maybe Biscuit#Semi-sweet is the best we can do? It would be good to mention uraro there, though. --BDD (talk) 19:38, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note I've added Arrowroot biscuits to this discussion as the plural and singular should have the same target, whatever that ends up being. Thryduulf (talk) 21:06, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Psynapse

Psynapse → List of Inhumans (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I apologize if this is the wrong venue. The Norwegian pro-psychedelic group Emmasofia has changed it's name to Psynapse. I can't move the article to "Psynapse" because it's occupied by this redirect. What's the proper way to handle this? Prezbo (talk) 09:05, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Prezbo: The article needs to be moved to Psynapse (organization), since the subject isn't the primary topic, and this redirect should be left alone (since it appears to be a significant R with history). CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what defines a primary topic, but I would argue that the organization is more important than the comic book character. Prezbo (talk) 09:30, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have a hard time believing the comic book character is primary over the organization. At best, neither is, but I'd lean toward the org being primary. In either of those cases, the current redirect can be moved without leaving a redirect to a disambiguated title, and then the org can either be moved to the base title, or a dab page can be created at the base title. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:25, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move Emmasofia to Psynapse, and put a hatnote there to List of Marvel Comics characters: P#Psynapse, consistent with Psynapse (comics). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:16, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Traveler-oriented business

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Dry heat

Dry heat → Dry heat sterilization (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The current target does not seem to be anywhere close to a primary topic; searches are showing a mixture of cooking food (which is close to the target but not the same), natural climates in deserts, and some other stuff. There's also Dry Heat (manga) (where Dry Heat currently redirects which it shouldn't per WP:MISPLACED), and some other minor uses. Either disambiguate or delete in favor of search. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:21, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate for the sterilisation and the manga, and include any relevant articles about cooking and climate. Nyttend (talk) 06:12, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Stubify. I hate to argue for content creation being the outcome, but what is really needed here is a broad concept article describing what dry heat is and summarizing its applications. Normally, I'd argue for deletion to encourage article creation, but that would leave Dry Heat as the default topic for all searches, which is unsatisfactory. A disambiguation page may be an acceptable intermediate solution but there doesn't seem to be a great selection of articles that would broadly capture the various uses. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The Apopka Chief

The Apopka Chief → Apopka, Florida#External links (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"The Apopka Chief" is the town newspaper which is in fact linked in the external links section. My instinctive reaction is that pointing to an external links section is obviously incorrect, but I can see the argument that this is in fact helpful. I'm not sure what to make of this redirect, thoughts? Rusalkii (talk) 21:50, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete If we do that why don’t we just redirect to its website? Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List of newspapers in Florida#Daily and weekly newspapers (currently published), where it is mentioned with a link to the town's article, as a {{R to list entry}}. Thryduulf (talk) 22:19, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. In addition, no other such redirects target "List of newspapers in Florida", leaving me to make the same argument I made at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 September 4#Moldorm: "the subject of this redirect has affinity to [Apopka, Florida], meaning readers looking up this term probably are not trying to locate an article about [newspapers in Florida]." Steel1943 (talk) 21:47, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to list where it is mentioned, which also links to Apopka -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:29, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Earthen Vessel

Earthen Vessel → Reformed Baptists#Strict Baptists (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "Earthen" does not appear anywhere on the target page (let alone the target section) leaving the connection unclear, nor did it appear in the version that was current when the redirect was created in 2010. In 2009 an article at this title about a Christian instrumentalist band (formed that year in Alaska) was correctly speedily deleted under A7, and google results for "Earthen Vessel" band are about a 1970s "Jesus rock" band from the midwest, which suggest that it isn't nonsense but I'm non-the-wiser about what the meaning is. All the uses I've found on Wikipedia are about earthenware, which is what I expected when I saw it in the list of titles (when researching Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 4#Earthen) and I recommend retargetting there (as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Earthen pot). Thryduulf (talk) 10:56, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can't remember what I was thinking of when I created this, but vaguely remember going through articles for Baptist sects at one time, so I assume that I created it from some text that has since been deleted. I've got no particular background in Baptist history or culture beyond going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole a couple of years ago.

However looking up Google and this is the first hit I get for "Earthern Vessel" Baptist

https://www.baptists.net/history/category/strict-baptist-magazines/earthen-vessel/

JASpencer (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to something pottery-related, either earthenware or something better if someone can think of it. This is probably a reference to 2 Corinthians 4:7 in the King James Version (see King James Only movement, which is strong in Baptist-ism), but in a broader context it's not at all a good redirect. Nyttend (talk) 06:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete at this capitalisation, which infers a proper name. Earthen vessel is red. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:43, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:MODS

Wikipedia:MODS → Wikipedia:Administrators (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I feel like this is better off being retargetted to Wikipedia:Moderators, as "mods" is short for "moderators" and in any case, Wikipedia admins are not mods. --Plantman (talk) 03:20, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment could also be targeted to WP:Modifications. Legend of 14 (talk) 03:30, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've never heard "mods" as short for "modifications", only "moderators". --Plantman (talk) 03:35, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Never heard of downloading a mod for a game? Or see What is body mod. Or see Garry's Mod. Legend of 14 (talk) 03:40, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, tbh I don't really play video games. But I also don't see how any of the listed uses of "mod" are related to Wikipedia policy. I hear the term "discord mods" or "reddit mods" a lot more, and people are more likely to look for "Wikipedia:MODS" with that latter sense of the word in mind. --Plantman (talk) 04:02, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. Legend of 14 (talk) 16:39, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That’s fine. You don’t have to agree with me, I was just trying to explain my point of view. --Plantman (talk) 17:09, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate between the these topics, and WP:Bureaucrats as well -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 04:55, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Mods" as in moderators strikes me as the most nautral by far, "mods" as in modifications (video game or otherwise) seems unnatural in this context. My inclination would be to point to Moderators and maybe hatnote Modifications; a dab page seems excessive for a project shortcut with very small number of incoming links. We could add the crats to the Moderators disambig page as well, and then that'll cover all the topics suggested by the IP. Rusalkii (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- In my opinion, modifications would just be as likely, as you'd want to know what mods (modifications, software modules, addons, extensions) Wikipedia is running on MediaWiki, to figure out what functions are available. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators which is a list of things that could be called "moderators". IMO, in the context of Wikipedia, "mods" as in "moderators" is a more plausible target, but a hatnote to WP:Modifications would still be useful. 🦬 Beefaloe 🦬 (talk) 10:40, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators with a hatnote to Wikipedia:Modifications. Malinaccier (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators and add hatnote per above. That disambiguation page also lists failed proposals of Wikipedia moderators, which WP:MOD leads to one of them (2016 proposal). Also, should we bundle WP:MOD into this nomination? Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Wikipedia:Moderators per others above or delete per Isaacl below. Apparently this had been raised way back in 2009 where it was already agreed to be misleading. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:00, 6 June 2025 (UTC), 20:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: there are no actual uses of this redirect. There's the discussion about the redirect referred to by Paul_012, and there's a typo on Category talk:Concertos by Arthur Sullivan where the intent was to point to the manual of style. All other references are related to this deletion discussion. If there are no extant uses since its creation in 2007, I don't see a need to redirect it to a disambiguation page. isaacl (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Also fine with deletion; modified my !vote above. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album

Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album → Some Rap Songs (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Placeholder name for then-untitled album. Has long been released and known by a name. Roast (talk) 23:03, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:CHEAP and accurate. Someone might have forgotten the name; this redirect is pretty harmless. Cremastra (Go Oilers!) 01:37, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, keep. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 17:20, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, WP:COSTLY and mostly useless. A reader generally wouldn't (and shouldn't) expect "X's $n$ th studio album" to be the way to find it. Looking at the page history, we see a WP:CRYSTAL ball article, which was PRODded and then redirected a couple times...this has approximately zero keep value. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:27, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cremastra. Plausible and unambiguous. Thryduulf (talk) 12:57, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 35... This is a bit like those pesky (unreleased...) redirects: they have no utilty shortly after the release. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the IP. (Also, WP:CHEAP doesn't provide any validation for why a redirect should be kept or deleted ... it just states that we shouldn't concern ourselves with the server space that redirects use. Just FYI ... since I stopped linking that shortcut when I realized this myself. 😂) Steel1943 (talk) 21:51, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per Cremastra and WP:Cheap Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:51, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seriously ... does anyone even read the target of WP:CHEAP? This nomination has nothing do do with any type of "WP:CHEAP" dispute. Steel1943 (talk) 20:06, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Steel1943: The nomination doesn't make an argument about system space, but then again barely anyone does. I was using WP:CHEAP as a widely recognized shortcut to mean that Redirects are cheap [...] it doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around, that this redirect is harmless, costless, and a small net positive – which these days is the understood meaning of citing "WP:CHEAP". You have a fair point that the actual target is not very relevant, so my linking to WP:CHEAP was not really necessary, as everyone would have understood what I meant if I said "cheap and accurate". Maybe the essay should be revised to what it's currently used to mean. Cremastra (talk) 19:08, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per 35.139. Unless "Nth studio album" redirects become a widespread norm, then it doesn't feel plausible that people would type in this term to look up what album it describes; I'd expect that someone searching for that info on Wikipedia would be likelier to just go to Earl Sweatshirt#Discography and start counting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:43, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, harmless at worst useful at best given that this is in fact Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Earl Sweatshirt's 2nd studio album

Earl Sweatshirt's 2nd studio album → I Don't Like Shit, I Don't Go Outside (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Placeholder name for then-untitled album. Has long been released and known by a name. Roast (talk) 23:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, WP:COSTLY and mostly useless. A reader generally wouldn't (and shouldn't) expect "X's $n$ th studio album" to be the way to find it. It was an unreferenced stub for a few days before being redirected, and there's no value in keeping it. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, plausible per Cremastra's comments at #Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album and unambiguous, making this WP:CHEAP. Thryduulf (talk) 12:58, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...Does anyone actually read what WP:CHEAP is about? Steel1943 (talk) 21:52, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 35... This is a bit like those pesky (unreleased...) redirects: they have no utilty shortly after the release. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per 35.139. Unless "Nth studio album" redirects become a widespread norm, then it doesn't feel plausible that people would type in this term to look up what album it describes; I'd expect that someone searching for that info on Wikipedia would be likelier to just go to Earl Sweatshirt#Discography and start counting. I'm also skeptical that someone writing out a long prose phrase like this would use "2nd" over "second". ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:44, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, harmless at worst useful at best given that this is in fact Earl Sweatshirt's 2nd studio album. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:59, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jay-Z's twelfth studio album

Jay-Z's twelfth studio album → Magna Carta Holy Grail (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Placeholder name for then-untitled album. Has long been released and known by a name. Roast (talk) 23:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, WP:COSTLY and mostly useless. A reader generally wouldn't (and shouldn't) expect "X's $n$ th studio album" to be the way to find it. This one's especially unlikely given that "twelfth" is spelled out, and that none of the other previous 11 albums have such redirects. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:31, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a plausible (per #Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album) and unambiguous search term, making this a WP:CHEAP redirect. Deletion would inconvenience readers without bringing any benefits. Other unambiguous redirects of the form "artist's nth studio album" should be created where relevant for the same reasons as this should be kept. Thryduulf (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 35... This is a bit like those pesky (unreleased...) redirects: they have no utilty shortly after the release. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per Thryduulf Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:52, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per 35.139. Unless "Nth studio album" redirects become a widespread norm, then it doesn't feel plausible that people would type in this term to look up what album it describes; I'd expect that someone searching for that info on Wikipedia would be likelier to just go to Jay-Z#Discography and start counting. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:44, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, harmless at worst useful at best given that Magna Carta Holy Grail is in fact Jay-Z's twelfth studio album. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:57, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipe

Wikipe → Moe anthropomorphism#Computers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely target. I've never heard of "Wikipe-tans" being called "Wikipe(s)". Maybe this should be retargeted to Wikipedia, similar to Wikipedi. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 03:37, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. If there is an appropriate target, this isn't it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep since "-tan" is a suffix from Japanese similar to -chan/-san/-sama, so the term stripped of its honorific suffix would seem to be a variant for a redirect.Wikipetan/Wikipe/Wikipe-tan would therefore exist. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 19:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
delete as vague. how can we know which letters are missing? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 15:34, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the IP, which explains how people familiar with the subject of the article can know which letters are missing. "how can we know" is bad reasoning after someone explains, and the first delete vote is basically "this is a bad redirect", which shouldn't count once someone provides an explanation. Nyttend (talk) 19:25, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I understand the IP, but I don't buy it. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (as creator): For context, this redirect came from WP:AFC/R. Per above, stripping the honorific “tan” is grounds for a “short name” redirect. I see a valid argument for retargetting to Wikipedia as well. The debate really should be where this redirect should target, and I see a better argument for leaving it alone. I struggle to see where this meets any of the WP:R#DELETE criteria. Garsh (talk) 01:08, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per 65.93 and Garsh, since "Wikipe" is just "Wikipe-tan" with the suffix removed. Retargeting to Wikipedia would be acceptable to me as well, though a little less natural of a fit. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 13:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iran War

Iran War → Iran–Iraq War (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should this redirect to List of wars involving Iran? If not, there should at least be a hatnote at the current target pointing to this list. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 08:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unless, of course, the Iran-Iraq War is actually also called "Iran War". In that case, there should only be a hatnote. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 23:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List of wars involving Iran — seems to have been targeted to Iran–Iraq in a recentist mindset that didn’t account for the fact that countries do things like fight in more than one war. Roast (talk) 21:21, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; other titles like Ukraine war and Israel war redirect to lists of wars, even if one particular war is current or recent. Anyway, the Iran-Iraq War is not very recent, and most people searching for "Iran War" right now will probably be looking for Iran-Israel War. However, that is also recentism, so the best thing to do is probably just redirect to List of wars involving Iran and let the reader find the correct war. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 21:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saw Shalom

Saw Shalom → Gymkhana FC#Singapore National Football League 2017 Division 2 Winning squad (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saw Shalom closed with consensus to delete and this redirect was created immediately after, despite having no support, by the creator, who was very disruptive and had to be taken to WP:ANI for repeatedly disrupting this AfD. The more I look into this, the more I oppose the redirect. There is no evidence on my internet searches, using multiple search engines, that there was ever a player called "Saw Shalom" or "Saw Shalom Haythaw" playing for Gymkhana. The only hits coming up are direct Wikipedia mirrors. In fact, I can't find any sources for the players listed at Gymkhana FC in their 2017 squad at all. Even if this can be verified as true, in a case where a footballer has played at 19 clubs or more, we would never redirect to just one of their clubs, especially not one that they haven't played for for over 8 years. Woodlands Lions FC would make slightly more sense, as it is allegedly his current club, but I still oppose this as I can't find one reliable source linking him to that club and we still don't generally redirect to their current club for footballers as that can change on a regular basis. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 07:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 08:42, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 10:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Generally speaking, redirecting to clubs is frowned upon, given that players often transfer and will play for multiple clubs across their career. Giant Snowman 10:57, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PC-80

PC-80 → PC-8000 series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
PC80 → PC-8000 series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I can't find evidence that this was referred to as the PC-80 (as opposed to 8000). Lots of hits in lot of places for lots of things, including several different computing devices, a gun, a solubilizer, camera, etc etc. Onwiki we have Heron Cars#PC 80 (note lack of dash) and an entry at List of carbines. I don't think either of these make great targets, I think I'd prefer deletion given the distinct lack of primary topic for a rather vague term, but the carbine seems better than the current target. Rusalkii (talk) 18:24, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just like how PC-88 is short for PC-8801 and PC-98 is short for PC-9801, it makes sense for PC-80 to be short for PC-8001. JumpmanMario2K6 (talk) 18:46, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It definitely makes sense, I wouldn't blink if this was in fact in common usage, but as far as I can tell it in fact is not. Rusalkii (talk) 18:54, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well according to Russian Wikipedia, I did see the PC-80 name. JumpmanMario2K6 (talk) 18:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well the term "PC-80" refers to a special gun. 2A02:C7C:FC75:6F00:476F:3A1D:3E85:5077 (talk) 15:26, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can't find evidence either. Also delete PC80 - an equally new redirect created by the same user. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:47, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. while the pattern implies this would be a common nickname, it just kind of... isn't. results for "pc-80" imply that the primary topic is an old as Fuck gun, and results for "pc80" mostly gave me construction equipment consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:14, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hop (TV series)

Hop (TV series) → Marc Brown (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
D.W. the Picky Eater (book) → Marc Brown (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arthur's Computer Disaster → Marc Brown (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arthur's Reading Race → Marc Brown (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arthur's Birthday (book) → Marc Brown (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arthur (book series) → Marc Brown (author)#Arthur Adventure Series (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arthur (children's literature) → Arthur (TV series) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arthur (Brown book series) → Marc Brown (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not the same target as Arthur (book series), maybe should point to where it points to (at Marc Brown (author)) Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:14, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per the comment below, I bundled the other redirects. I’m now leaning delete and leave as redlinks. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:27, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Neither Marc Brown (author) nor Arthur (TV series) contain much information on the books beyond some passing mentions. I can't see why the book series would not be notable, so maybe these redirects are better off as redlinks? - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 04:07, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Hop is a TV series Marc Brown created, and its article is currently a draft, explaining the redirect. It should get more updates later down the line. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 06:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur (book series) and Arthur (children's literature) should point to Arthur (disambiguation) as Arthur (Besson book series) exists. Arthur (Brown book series) should probably redirect to Arthur Read. --wooden superman 12:37, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm good with retargeting Arthur (book series) and Arthur (children's literature) to Arthur (disambiguation). My preference would still be to delete Arthur (Brown book series) as a topic likely notable enough for a standalone article. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that's in the nomination! --wooden superman 15:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I just added it to the nomination. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Elias

Andrew Elias → Cochise (song) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect just points to a random song that this person worked on. It does not direct the reader to any notable information about this person. Unless there is an article that contains well-cited details about this person, I propose deletion. ResPM (T🔈🎵C) 02:16, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Danse

Danse → Dance (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Originally was the title of Danse (song), now no longer of any use. Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:07, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If deleted, Danse (song) will be WP:MALPLACED and then moved to Danse. Ninixed (talk) 04:46, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: "Danse" is also the name of a character listed at Fallout 4#Characters. Steel1943 (talk) 20:10, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly wrong forum. Sounds like a move request to move Danse (song) to Danse. Steel1943 (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate. I began a disambiguation page draft below the redirect. - Eureka Lott 16:48, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SINGERS

SINGERS → Singing (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Originally created as a redirect to Singers (album), no longer any use. Thepharoah17 (talk) 01:50, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete due to all caps if nothing else, also obsolete. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Osthara

Sir Osthara → Businessperson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Maybe this is the right target: Businessman (soundtrack) Thepharoah17 (talk) 01:23, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

American Businessman

American Businessman → Businessperson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
American businessman → Businessperson (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Too vague Thepharoah17 (talk) 01:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: For what it's worth, American businesses is a redirect that targets Economy of the United States. In addition, American business does not exist and never has existed. Steel1943 (talk) 20:14, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

Jane kelly

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

TEACHER

TEACHER → Teacher (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
MONSTER → Monster (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No use in all caps, TEACHER was originally created as vandalism. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:39, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think retarget to the dab pages per Thryduulf makes the most sense here. Thepharoah17 (talk) 01:58, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Not that unlikely, there are several of those already; for example, JESUS, DONALD TRUMP, JOE BIDEN, CANADA, UNITED STATES, CHEESE. Since these two redirects already exist, I see no reason to delete them. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 02:11, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per below. I came across Thryduulf's comment after and it makes more sense. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 02:49, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Monster (disambiguation) and Teacher (disambiguation) respectively. Multiple of the entries on the dab pages are stylised in all caps in the logo/marketing (at least Monster Energy, Monster Cable, Monster.com, Monster (1980 film), Monster (2008 film), Monster (2018 film), Monster (2022 film) and Monster (2023 Indonesian film), I stopped looking at that point) and at least three entries on the Teacher dab page are also rendered in all caps. These have greater affinity to this capitalisation than the common nouns at the base titles, Thryduulf (talk) 01:52, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per Thryduulf. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Israeli strikes on Iran

Israeli strikes on Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Iranian strikes against Israel → 2024 Iranian strikes against Israel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

dabify or move both target pages here, including June 2025 Israeli strikes on Iran or June 2025 Iranian strikes on Israel, accordingly. Ninixed (talk) 22:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sp0rk

Sp0rk → Spork (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible spelling Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:52, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:UNHELPFUL. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:34, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. There can't be such a redirect for every title that contains an O. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 02:05, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:25, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete implausible. --Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:07, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WACP

Wikipedia:WACP → User:Starfall2015/WatchControlPanel (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This redirect, created in good faith, to a personal toolbox doesn't quite satisfy the high bar required for a cross-namespace redirect from projectspace. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 21:04, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It's not just for my semi-administrative work, it's for everyone. Additionally, I spent a long time on finding an open shortcut. As well, I don't want to type all that, typing 7 chars is better than 35 by a factor of five by all means.

Thanks, Starfall2015 chat | about me 05:22, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For personal use, you can install User:BrandonXLF/PortletLinks which will allow you to create direct links to desired pages using portlets (the sidebar, drop-down toolbox, footer) which will be always available on all pages. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 03:24, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: We usually do not have shortcuts to user scripts, but we do only if the userscript is heavily used (same with shortcuts --> userspace). Considering that this is a brand new script, it is not seen by many users, it might not be used heavily, and in the end, the script would simply not be important enough to warrant a shortcut. ToadetteEdit (talk) 05:07, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep it's just a harmless shortcut; will be useful to a few people, even if it's niche. 9ninety (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC) Amending to delete per the IP and CX Zoom. 9ninety (talk) 04:01, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. If the user wants it, and it isn't needed for anything else, then there's no reason to delete it. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 08:18, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree with this reasoning. What will then stop anyone from creating a bunch of WP shortcuts to, say, personal XfD, CSD, PROD logs, etc. alongside other userspace pages? —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 03:19, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is not the type of user space page that would justify a wikipedia space shortcut. @ToadetteEdit mistakenly seems to think that this page relates to a userscript or antivandalism tool, but it isn't even that - it's just links to two administrative noticeboards, the new account log, and the block log - basically just a much worse version of Wikipedia:Dashboard. 86.23.87.130 (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Solgier

Solgier → Soldier (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unlikely typo Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:46, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete, while it is outside of a one-key radius (which i consider implausible), pronouncing the word does make it sound like the d is a g. Not enough to make me want to keep, but enough to not ignore. mwwv ^converse∫_edits 01:47, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Not a typo, but a plausible phonetic spelling that's not uncommon based on google web and books results. Thryduulf (talk) 01:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bomberos

Bomberos → Firefighter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Bomberos (Chilean firefighters) → Firefighter (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No WP:FORRED. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Refine the second per Ninixed. Don't refine the first per Thryduulf. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:02, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Refine the second to Geography of firefighting#Chile. Neutral on the first. Ninixed (talk) 22:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget both to Geography of firefighting#Chile, where it's mentioned, per Ninixed. 9ninety (talk) 06:49, 15 June 2025 (UTC) self striking, see new comment below 9ninety (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Refine the second per Ninixed. Don't refine the first - per that page "Bomberos is the name given to firefighters in most Spanish-speaking countries" so pointing to a Chile-specific section would be inappropriate. Thryduulf (talk) 02:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the first and refine the second. Indeed, bombero simply means 'firefighter' in Spanish. Since firefighters have no special relevance to Spanish-speaking countries (vs. every where else), and since they have no special relevance to Chile (vs. every other Spanish-speaking country), neither the current redirect nor the refinement is appropriate for bomberos.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:31, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete both. I was under the impression that the term bombero(s) was Chilean, but as Myceteae points out, it is simply Spanish for firefighter. I don't think it makes sense to delete Bomberos and keep Bomberos (Chilean firefighters), which is disambiguating from the former. I don't see any meaningful links to the latter either, so it's most likely not a useful redirect. 9ninety (talk) 13:58, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sbirro

Sbirro → Police officer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Zaptiah → Police officer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

No WP:FORRED. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:10, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Thepharoah17 (talk) 21:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Healthcareers

Healthcareers → Physician (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Useless, was apparently originally created as an ad. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:03, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete, less per nom and more as a bad pun redirecting to an article that isn't necessarily related. i'm a little more willing to argue that that was someone's homework than an actual ad, as it wasn't advertising any specific entity consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 20:22, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Was hoping to find a good retargeting option for this, but the lack of a space between the two words, in addition to titles like Health career and Health careers not existing, I am out of ideas for alternatives to deletion. Steel1943 (talk) 23:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:R semi-protected

Template:R semi-protected → Template:R protected/semi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Delete, as the target page is not supposed to be called directly, either {{redirect category shell}} or {{r protected}} should be used. Retargeting to {{r protected}} doesn't make sense either as that rcat automatically determines the protection level, and this implies otherwise. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 19:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Helpful as a search term. Steel1943 (talk) 23:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This may be helpful as a search term, but that doesn't outweigh the fact that this should never be used. I should also mention that this was previously deleted (technically not kept after a move) following a TfD. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 02:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your concern can be resolved with a WP:BOTREQ if necessary to bypass incoming redirects. Redirects are primarily utilized as search terms, and one cannot expect readers to know all the "secret handshakes" of titling conventions we use in various namespaces. Steel1943 (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ingénieur

Ingénieur → Engineer (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per WP:FORRED, it’s not valid. Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:42, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Mentioned at target 9ninety (talk) 06:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On further thought, possibly refine to Engineer#France, the specific section which talks about the title. 9ninety (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

rollago(s)

Rollago → Onion ring (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Rollagos → Onion ring (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

been a while, hasn't it? as usual, a weird case. results for "rollagos" got me a great big pile of nothing coherent, while "rollago" got me more or less the same thing... but also one reddit thread (yucky!!) that seems to imply that "rollago" is a word that originates from some guy's dream, and is probably a synonym for "onion ring". even in the creator's talk page, someone nominated some misspellings for speedy deletion and stated that they didn't know what exactly that was supposed to be, so what do? consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:55, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No evidence it has this meaning outside a bizarre Reddit thread. Apparently it is the name of a winery. Google mostly thinks it's a typo and turns up a bunch of unrelated hits. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:44, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Besides search engines wanting to assume I meant to type "Rollga" (doesn't exist), my finds mirror Myceteae's. Steel1943 (talk) 23:16, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:WikiProject Canlaw

Wikipedia:WikiProject Canlaw → Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian law (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Recently created by a now-blocked editor. WP:CANLAW already exists as a redirect, but I believe that WP:WikiProject Canlaw is too long to be a useful shortcut. Moreover, it redirects to WP:WikiProject Canadian law, which is inactive for years now. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 18:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are similar redirects that are long (as you claim above) like WP:Wikiproject us, WP:WikiProject WIR, and WP:WikiProject UK. But the redirects mention go to well known WikiProjects so no issue there. But this redirect leads to an inactive project, not watched by many users. Also adding to the fact that users will less likely use this term, I will default to delete unless there is justification that this needs to be kept. ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. —Alalch E. 13:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yankeeball

Yankeeball → American football (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Does not appear to be an alternative name for football. Searching on Google doesn't return anything helpful and it's not even on Urban Dictionary. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 16:25, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

crack it open like a maine lobstah and rip it apaht per nom. sorry, i don't know a lot of yankee jokes consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I would have assumed it meant something to do with New York Yankees baseball. BD2412 T 01:07, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BD2412. Steel1943 (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gridball

Gridball → American football (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not an actual synonym for football. Googling it returns a board game or something about Stardew Valley. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 16:17, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. it's an in-universe sport played by resident inferior non-emily being alex, that has an american football-shaped non-ball object. not important or notable beyond the funny name, and i'm not sure it's part of the board game based on stardew valey, so i don't see much point in keeping consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 18:59, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Moon Landing

The Moon Landing → Apollo 11 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The moon landing redirects to Moon landing. Should these have the same target? मल्ल (talk) 15:28, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep When I search for "The Moon Landing" on Google, including Google Books, results are overwhelmingly for Apollo 11. This suggests Apollo 11 would be the primary topic here. Perhaps the lowercase version should actually be retargeted. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 18:30, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
keep, and retarget the sentence case one to apollo 11, maybe even per nom. i do think they should have the same target, but i also think there could very easily be an argument for this being "the" moon landing consarn _{(grave) (obituary)} 19:04, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It definitely is the primary topic, and Apollo 11 already includes a hatnote to Moon landing. Also retarget the sentence case version as well. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:38, 15 June 2025 (UTC) (Edited 00:40, 15 June 2025 (UTC))[reply]

Dav public school kusmunda

Dav public school kusmunda → DAV Public School, Kusmunda (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Bad redirect; unhelpful styling. CptViraj (talk) 11:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

George Bush (2000)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

SHReK

SHReK → Shrek (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Useless, no way anybody would type that in Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:03, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: it's written like that on the film poster Jruderman (talk) 03:37, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Just because it's written like that on the poster doesn't mean that someone's going to type it in like that. And even if they did and the redirect didn't exist, they'd get sent to the same place anyway, because the search function will match differing case when it can. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 22:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not a useful search term as capitalized. Drdpw (talk) 22:31, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Jruderman, showing an affinity for this capitalization. -- Tavix ^(talk) 18:25, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Why would anyone have to "type" it, they can click a link to the redirect. Jay 💬 09:11, 21 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chip Whitley

Chip Whitley → Conan O'Brien (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Did a google search, and Conan O'Brien wasn't mentioned for Chip Whitley searches. Appears to be fake. It is in page history of him having to do something with the actor. Don't know if the actor is notable enough or whether this redirect is legit or is fake. The user that created this also created a fake one called Dora The Ex-Toader. I think either Delete as one option, second option would be Draftify and crate article on actor or another one would be Keep. I am honestly neutral and I should let people who know about this and what it means debate and argue. Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:46, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The talk page comment by Ardric47 asked to look at the beginning of the target article, and the redirect creator agreed. This was 7-9 July 2005, and I don't find anything on Chip Whitley at the target around this time. Whereas in October 2005, Chip Whitley was merged to the target under the O’Brien's style section. The unsourced content, even if not fake, needn't be kept as it's minor, and may have been recentism for that time. Jay 💬 19:59, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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More history: The entire "Comedy and mannerisms" section (which included Chip Whitley) was moved from Conan O'Brien to Late Night with Conan O'Brien in 2006. In 2007, a vandal 207.160.40.253, removed 4 sections from Late Night with Conan O'Brien in 4 edits within one minute. Three of those were reverted immediately by three different editors, but the fourth and largest vandalism of 20,098 bytes, that included Chip Whitley, was missed by all editors. The removed content was unsourced though, so we cannot just bring it back. Jay 💬 19:53, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to List of Late Night with Conan O'Brien sketches Seems to be a long-running gag from Conan, including a sketch on his TBS show where he used the alias on Tinder, so it's definitely a plausible (though very insider) redirect. Nathannah • 📮 00:59, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dance drama

Dance drama → Wuju (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

There are many types of dance drama, not just wuju. This is misleading. Either delete, retarget, or possibly a DAB? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I see quite a few results for "dance drama" on this site, so I'm inclined to suggest a DAB or something similar. Seems like a reasonable enough search term that I could believe leading to the current target (given it's a direct translation of the name) or a number of other options, so some sort of list would make the most sense. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:19, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only reason I didn't DAB at creation was that we didn't seem to have any articles on the other genres of dance drama. Since WP:DAB requires at least two valid target articles, I went the redirect route. If we do have articles on these other forms of dance drama, a DAB definitely makes more sense. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:43, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Laterthanyouthink, QuietHere, what articles should this be disambiguated with? Rusalkii (talk) 19:21, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For a start, mudra, Saang, Rabinal Achí, and Khamba Thoibi Jagoi all have redirects with pointing toward them which contain "dance drama". That makes at least five options, though that was limited to just pages with "dance drama" in the title so there may be even more past that. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:11, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The one I came across that led me to find the redirect was Kakkarissi Natakam, but there are a lot of other forms of performance that use dance drama, especially Indian ones (see Dance in India), like Kuchipudi, Bhagavata Mela, etc., and there are Indonesian and Balinese ones Wayang wong and Gambuh, and others. Dance drama is a very generic term though. I'm wondering if it should target the section Dance#Theatrical, which could be expanded to include the term, mentioning some prominent examples, and also refer to Folk dance, many of which incorporate dance drama. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:00, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe leaving as a redirect, but targeting that section to provide an overview? It might be too difficult and onerous to try to list all the possible types of dance drama on a DAB, actually. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 02:02, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also Kathakali and perhaps Musicals too. The articles mentioned in this discussion don't really make a disambiguation page, but could rather be a List of dance drama forms or something such. Or a WP:BCA. Delete per WP:REDLINK. Jay 💬 06:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am fine with BDD's suggestion too. Jay 💬 10:48, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to Dance#Theatrical. I agree it could be its own article, but this seems useful in the meantime, so no need for REDLINK deletion. --BDD (talk) 20:35, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Monopoly: The Card Game

Monopoly: The Card Game → Monopoly (game) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I originally redirected this to Monopoly (game) because it failed notability guidelines for products and services, and was filled with original research. The target article used to have some substantive coverage of the topic, but I removed it because it was unreliably sourced. Therefore, this redirect serves no navigational purpose and should be deleted. (There is now only a trivial mention on the target page, though, and some disambiguation pages still have it listed.) 1isall (talk) 02:31, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant policies, guidelines, and revisions that I forgot to link to:

1isall (talk) 02:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to History of Monopoly, where it is mentioned. If sources are discovered in the future, the article can be restored from this version, which will be easier to do than if the edit history is deleted. Pinging User:Cunard to see if more sources can be found at this time. BOZ (talk) 07:16, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that recommendation, BOZ. However, in the article History of Monopoly, the only mention of Monopoly: The Card Game appears in the section History of Monopoly#Localizations, licenses, and spin-offs as a single, passing reference. It's not substantive and lacks a citation. I believe the redirect would therefore be unsuitable for retargeting there. 1isall (talk) 02:52, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: These are the only sources I can find:
1. "Harvard Business Review article". Harvard Business Review. Vol. 80. 2001. p. 54. Retrieved 2025-05-26 – via Google Books.
  The source notes: "It’s very tough to make a game that can satisfy both those who prefer casual games of luck and those who prefer to use their heads. In 1999, my company developed Monopoly: The Card Game with the aim of providing the emotional high points of the original game but in much less time. Given Monopoly’s wide appeal, we knew we had to design a game that kids could find fun to play but that adults could also approach with sophisticated reasoning and decision making. I think we succeeded, despite having such a tough act to follow."
2. Beaumon-Clay, Tina (2001-02-11). "Monopoly now a card game". Montgomery Advertiser. Archived from the original on 2025-05-26. Retrieved 2025-05-26 – via Newspapers.com.
  The article notes: "I called our friends at Hasbro, maker of Monopoly in (almost) all its incarna-tions, and found that Monopoly The Card Game has been licensed to a company called Winning Moves. It's just as you've described. The object is to be the first player to accumulate $10,000."
Cunard (talk) 21:33, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thank you for taking a look @Cunard. I don't think that's enough to restore the article at this time, but I do feel the content should be retained in some form (under the redirect, most likely) in case more sources are found in the future. BOZ (talk) 22:42, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the sources are enough to verify content like the official rules of the game. 1isall (talk) 13:53, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We would probably need a primary source like the instructions to do so. 1isall (talk) 13:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, what's the result of this discussion? 1isall (talk) 19:56, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the redirect is valid, and a brief mention of the game can be restored to the article, based on the sources found above. I'll also note that Monopoly Deal, for example, mentioned there, is a card game (and so are few others). So the very generic term used here can be also plausibly used for other games mentioned there. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:58, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to History of Monopoly#Localizations, licenses, and spin-offs. We should probably remove the link there. But for now, it's the best we can do, and it will also deliver on similarly named topics. For example, I remember playing Monopoly Deal and enjoying it, but not the name, and I wouldn't have batted an eye if you had told me it was called Monopoly: The Card Game. So even if the 1999 game had an article, I'd recommend a hatnote to cover the other games. --BDD (talk) 20:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, BDD. Retargeting the redirect to that section would be weak. I already told @BOZ this, and I'll tell you, too. The only mention of Monopoly: The Card Game appears in that section as a single, passing reference, not going into depth and lacking a citation. That's why the redirect would therefore be unsuitable for retargeting there. 1isall (talk/contribs) 01:51, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Community government

Community government → List of municipalities in the Northwest Territories#Tlicho community governments (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The current target doesn't explain what a community government is, and the term likely has a broader scope beyond the context of a specific Canadian territory. It could also refer to one of the community governments of Belgium, for example. Perhaps this could be converted into a dab page or retargeted to a more defining location. 9ninety (talk) 16:11, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or disambig per nom. Government of the Community of Madrid implies this is not an implausible search term for the Spanish community administrations and Local government in Australia#Types of local government includes "community government" in the list of styles used in that country. Thryduulf (talk) 11:30, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate to make it easier to find the relevant articles. Peter James (talk) 13:04, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or disamb or turn into own page. Per the above. Thepharoah17 (talk) 17:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete I started to draft a disambiguation page but struggled to make one I felt alright about. We might also consider Local government as a rough synonym. Local governance sounds very similar, but probably wouldn't have anything actually called "Community government". --BDD (talk) 20:29, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. There is no specific referent and countless loosely related topics that could conceivably fit the description but nothing to constitute a coherent DAB page, per discussion above. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 06:11, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

War 2

War 2 → YRF Spy Universe#War 2 (2025) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

"War 2" could be potentially ambiguous, given the existence of War II (comics) and BusterD's comment at Draft:War 2 (2025). So, this redirect should probably be converted into a disambiguation page. GTrang (talk) 00:41, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate—such a generic phrase doesn't seem to have a primary topic. Also notified Talk:War (Marvel Comics)#"War 2" listed at Redirects for discussion given War II (comics). (Here via request by Kailash29792 at WP:RMT.) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:14, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Dabify per nom. Very ambiguous. good god why did they have to make a sequel the og was already bad enough mwwv ^converse∫_edits 01:51, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate. It could even, with ambiguity, refer to World War II. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 02:45, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig per all above. Thryduulf (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

June 13

Template:Db-blankdraft

Template:Db-blankdraft → Template:Db-g13 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per Wikipedia talk:Speedy deletion#Should the point 3 of G13 be obsoleted? there is no longer any special provision for deletion of blank drafts, and hence this redirect should be deleted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, it hasn't been correctly used in at least a year near as I can tell. 15 of the 16 correct uses of that subcriterion that I found used {{db-afc}}, and the last {{db-G13}}. I did notice it, in passing, on a handful of other pages, mostly on ones that still qualify for speedy deletion since they had {{AfC submission}} too. —Cryptic 23:41, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. (For transparency, I made the edit removing the provision.) House Blaster (talk • he/they) 06:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Note: I supported the proposal to remove this provision. Thryduulf (talk) 09:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No longer useful. Janhrach (talk) 13:56, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rather than straight up deletion, would tagging with {{Deprecated template}} and soft redirecting to Wikipedia:Speedy deletion#Obsolete be more useful? That way anyone trying to use this deletion criteria would be told what happened to it. 86.23.87.130 (talk) 13:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not opposed to that. Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what we've done in the past. {{db-a5}}, {{db-f10}}, {{db-t1}}, {{db-t2}}, {{db-t3}}, {{db-u3}}, {{db-u4}}, {{db-p1}}, {{db-x1}}, and {{db-x2}} were all deleted. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. While there's no longer any special provision for the deletion of blank drafts, they're still eligible for G13 deletion provided they haven't been edited in six months. Note that I am opposed to deprecating for this very reason, and would prefer deletion over a "compromise" deprecation solution. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative and/or incorrect spelling redirects towards Paella

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete Paelera, Keep the rest

Arroz Espanol

Arroz Espanol → Mexican rice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Arroz Español → Paella (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The literal translation is Spanish rice. Leaning towards keeping the first and retargeting Arroz Español to Mexican rice. Note that Spanish rice already redirects to Mexican rice following a 2022 RM. Arroz español is not listed as a synonym in the article but it may be a plausible entry. We don't have redirects for lower case arroz espanol or arroz español. The term is not mentioned at Paella. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 21:02, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Target both to Mexican rice or delete both per nom. (And ... stating that is about as much as I care to involved here since IMO, Spanish rice and Mexican rice are two distinct topics, and I've participated in multiple RfDs [such as Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 3#Mexican rice] and RMs stating this, including the RM the nominator referenced ... but still, to this day, one of the aforementioned titles is a redirect towards the other...) Steel1943 (talk) 21:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Target Mexican rice. Arroz Español → Spanish rice → Mexican rice. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asian fetish 3rd attempt

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

AVR-Pii

AVR-Pii → Rice#AVR-Pii (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in the target article, leaving the connection between the redirect and the target unclear. It seems the only mention of this redirect on the English Wikipedia is at Magnaporthe grisea#Biochemistry of host-pathogen interactions, but I do not believe that is an appropriate place to retarget this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 19:19, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~Retarget (changed #section within target article): Yes, it should be in Rice; I've added and cited a paragraph to Rice#Diseases on disease resistance, including AVR-Pii, and retargeted the redirect to there. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For what its worth, I reverted this edit, so this is essentially a "retarget to Rice#Diseases" vote. I currently have no opinion in the matter other than clarifying the discrepancy caused by my revert. Steel1943 (talk) 19:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed my !vote in concordance with my suggestion and action. I admit I can't see any good reason not to change the redirect immediately: there is nothing in the RfD guidance that says so, and AfD guidance says article text can be edited freely: but I see that there is indeed hidden text which makes this request. I suppose it avoids the risk of edit-warring about it, though I've never seen such a thing. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This pretty much sums it all up. That, and if this redirect is "kept" at this point, it is most likely going to be targeted to Rice#Diseases anyways. Steel1943 (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unnecessary redirect. Unknown to most readers. 182.253.243.100 (talk) 13:54, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion would make no sense, as it is the name of an entity which is discussed in the article. "Most readers" isn't the point; those readers who come across the term and look it up on Wikipedia deserve to be able to find the relevant article, which this redirect enables. The redirect rightly comes "with possibilities" for becoming its own article, as there are plenty of reliable sources that discuss it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Rice#Diseases now that AVR-Pii is mentioned there. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 04:57, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Looks that "AVR-Pii" is the name of disease cannot understandable by many readers, unless someone come from medical studies. If another option is necessary, Weak retarget to Rice#Diseases. 120.188.5.156 (talk) 12:26, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bhat (food)

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 20#Bhat (food)

Making rice

Making rice → Rice#Cooking (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The word "making" is vague here as it makes it unclear if the redirect is about growing rice, the plant, or cooking rice, the food (see Rice as food). Either way, the target section doesn't exist Steel1943 (talk) 19:02, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While I don't really agree you can use 'making' as a stand in for 'growing' a crop, I've convinced myself that this phrase could refer to any part of the preparation of food, i.e. Rice#Processing and Rice as food#Preparation are valid targets. Delete as vague and trust that a reader will go through the headings in Rice to find what they are looking for. ⇌ Synpath 21:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unrefine. I can't imagine that someone searching this would be confused by ending up at the article for Rice. One can then decide which way they mean the word "making" by navigating to the correct section therein. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:33, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

University (Scandinavia)

University (Scandinavia) → University (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This used to target to List of universities and colleges in Sweden, which is too specific. The current target, on the other hand, is uselessly broad and doesn't even discuss Scandinavia. Rusalkii (talk) 23:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. We don't have any articles for which this would be a useful search term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to University college (Scandinavia). Worgisbor (congregate) 17:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943 (talk) 06:42, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to University college (Scandinavia); better target. 🌳 Balsam Cottonwood (talk) ✝ 07:59, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, whilst university colleges are usually distinct from universities University college (Scandinavia) is pretty much dedicated to explaining the differences and similarities between 'university' and 'university college' in the Scandinavian context, making this a very suitable retarget. Katiedevi (talk) 15:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. University colleges are a different thing, so not an appropriate target. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:10, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems this was created to avoid a red link at Oslo and Akershus University College, which had been added without explanation by an IP in Special:Diff/879955703. I've reverted the change, so it's now properly orphaned. I stand by my !vote to delete, given its origin as a result of disruptive editing. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:07, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:20, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 18:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to University college (Scandinavia) per Katiedevi. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Clint Murchison

Clint Murchison → Clint Murchison Jr. (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Could also refer to his father who was also known around the same time as Murchison Jr. Murchison Jr. was best known for being the founder of the Dallas Cowboys, but his father was also well known in the 60s. Murchison Sr. was noted during the time of the JFK Assassination and Madeleine Duncan Brown (An advertising executive) had claimed to have been present at a party at the Dallas home of Clint Murchison on the evening prior to the assassination of John F. Kennedy that was attended by Lyndon B. Johnson as well as other famous, wealthy, and powerful individuals including, J. Edgar Hoover, Richard Nixon, H. L. Hunt, George Brown, and John McCloy. P.S I did get this last part almost mostly from the article Madeleine Duncan Brown. But back to the point, I would suggest to Dabify. P.S. I restarted this in order to notify people about it, but unfortunately I couldn't. If someone could help me list it in discussion categories for ones related to Texas, Oil, American Football, Dallas Cowboys and Business, that would be very helpful. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 07:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This certainly seems like it should be a dab page rather than a redirect, unless Jr. is so much more prominent than Sr. that Jr. is WP:PRIMARY. But even so, there should then be a hatnote on Jr.'s page. Rlendog (talk) 14:04, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Rlendog I agree. If it does redirect, regardless of who it should have a hatnote. Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Het route

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 20#Het route

🥹

🥹 → Emoji (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

is a redirect from a specific emoji expressing a specific emotion to the Emoji page in general really THAT much better than just... not having a redirect until a much more reasonable target gets found? User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:11, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment this is U=1F979 FACE HOLDING BACK TEARS, the closest title match we have to that seems to be Holding Back the Tears, which as an album is not a useful target. Lots of articles contain the phrase "holding back tears" but with the exception of two instances where it seems to be the name of a racehorse all of them are uses of the phrase that wouldn't be useful as a redirect target even if they were the only instance. Thryduulf (talk) 11:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Tears, which is the closest helpful target I found. -- Tavix ^(talk) 12:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Supplemental Symbols and Pictographs. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:39, 13 June 2025 (UTC)–[reply]

Comment I didn't do a comprehensive check but I think every single emoji at Apple Color Emoji#Emoji is a wikilink. Raises several questions… I might look into this later but highlighting it here for now. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 22:13, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Myceteae: Most of those linked emojis that are on that page have been subject to RfDs over the past decade, some of which I nominated and/or participated in. There may be a few that have never had a nomination, but most have. I know Tavix also had a considerable amount of involvement with these discussions over the years. If I recall, we have either a guideline or an essay somewhere regarding these emoji redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 22:28, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, sure enough ... it's on the common RfD outcomes page. See WP:REMOJI. Steel1943 (talk) 22:33, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fascinating! --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 23:06, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Supplemental Symbols and Pictographs which contains the emoji. Consistent with apparently common outcome per WP:REMOJI. Like a lot of emojis, meaning/usage varies, is obviously informal, and often not literal. I would be "astonished" if tears is the primary topic for 🥹. My experience is consistent with some of the meanings attached per Emojipedia, FWIW. I wouldn't assume a majority of readers attach the same specific meaning to it. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 23:27, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Supplemental Symbols and Pictographs per above. ~~If Puppy face were a better article you might be able to retarget there in line with the pien meaning.~~ Nevermind, I misread the emoji. ⇌ Synpath 21:33, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

United States intelligence

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 20#United States intelligence

Mine clearer

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 20#Mine clearer

Lithuanian state

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Polish officials

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Move review

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Iran–Israel war

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Death due to coronavirus disease

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

June 12

Liberal Hivemind

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

LGBT rights in Congo

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Disambiguate

LGBT rights in LA

LGBT rights in LA → LGBTQ rights in California (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Too ambiguous, could refer to Louisiana. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:29, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget To LGBTQ rights in Louisiana unless there is a more appropriate target with Los Angeles. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate. "LA" could mean either, so this is the more appropriate outcome than a straight-up retarget. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 05:47, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (second choice retarget to Louisiana, but do not keep, and do not dabify). Disambiguation is for when two pages could reasonably share the same title. But I don't think anyone would reasonably expect either "Louisiana" or "Los Angeles" to be abbreviated here, especially for such hyperspecific topics. If someone wants to search for this, it's not that burdensome to type out the name of the place they're looking for. Plus, we don't even have a redirect for just "Los Angeles" (and probably shouldn't, since while it's mentioned a couple times on the California page, there's nothing really dedicated to LA specifically there). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 11:36, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Lean disambiguate. My first instinct was "keep" or "delete". Los Angeles is the primary topic for LA so I'm surprised to see a preference to retarget to the Louisiana article over keeping or DAB. I can't support retargeting to Louisiana. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:32, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 35.139.154.158. Also, not suitable for a disambiguation page due to use to multiple unrelated acronyms. Steel1943 (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Los Angeles is the clear primary topic for LA (as evidenced by that redirect, as well as common usage: most people don't refer to states or provinces by their abbreviations). Therefore this is an {{r from avoided double redirect}} to LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles – which, uh, doesn't exist, but should. Los Angeles is briefly covered in the California article and in any case is an {{r from subtopic}}: the reader will learn we don't have a separate article on LGBTQ rights in LA and will have to scrounge what information they can or go elsewhere. Cremastra (talk) 19:28, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that LGBTQ rights in Los Angeles should be a redirect to the California article, so I've just created it. Thryduulf (talk) 00:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Cremastra (talk) 12:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cremastra. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:55, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bear State

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to List of U.S. state and territory nicknames

Lionsgate

Lionsgate → Lions Gate (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per this RM, ~~InfiniteNexus is trying to put through exactly what he did with the Universal Studios title that ended up having it DABbed. I want to do the same here.~~ my understanding is that InfiniteNexus wanted to have an article on a studio/company that was recently formed (14 May 2024) to take the title "Lionsgate", like in the case of Coachella (festival) and Universal Studios (the latter was however decided that it'd be DABbed, though I personally disagree (see my talk page section on it and the page history of that title)).. Like the latter, I also disagree wholeheartedly, as this title stood since 1997 (pre-WP formation) up until 28 November 2024 when it took its current distinctive name. What do you think should happen to this title: its own DAB page, Set index or re-target? Intrisit (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose changing it keep it as is, pointing to the unified spellings disambiguation page. -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 21:41, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Lionsgate" and "Lions Gate" are distinct titles, as "unified" as you want it to be on a single DAB page rather than its own DAB page. (See Star TV and Star Channel for proof) Intrisit (talk) 22:55, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – I'm not sure I understand this request? The RM already resulted in rough consensus to disambiguate Lionsgate, which is exactly what has been done here, as Lions Gate is a DAB page and a separate DAB page for "Lionsgate" is not in order per WP:DABCOMBINE. I also don't see the relevance of an unrelated RM from a year ago that has nothing to do with this page and bears little similarity, unless you believe my consensus-abiding actions were inappropriate in either case. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, that was insensitive of me, as I've been unaware of any RM regarding this title until you reverted my edit with the link to the RM in question. I've neutralized my RfD rationale now, but it does however need discussion, as in the case of "Universal Studios" title, which you put up the RM first and then the RfD. I want to do the same here, especially if "Lionsgate" was rebranded/renamed to something completely different for roughly half a year now, despite the presence of "Lionsgate Studios". Now you see where I'm coming from and where this is going...? Intrisit (talk) 22:55, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand, either. I participated in the Lionsgate Studios RM. It happened shortly after the split was announced and didn't have a ton of participants. I won't be surprised if it's raised again. Any reader searching the combine form, and any editor linking Lionsgate in an article *most likely* intends one of the studios that is or has had this as part of their name. Maybe point to Lions Gate#Entertainment. I actually think a set index article might serve readers better since the situation is pretty confusing and it's not clear readers would know which "Lionsgate" is which from the list. Are you offering to draft the article User:Intrisit? --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 20:44, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Myceteae: Draft? No! See my updated rationale and response to InfiniteNexus's statement. The "Universal Studios" was treated the same way. The real reason I participated in neither the RM nor the RfD for the ""Universal Studios" title was because I was robbed of my PC before he/she instigated its prior RM. The "Lionsgate" one, having been unused by itself for roughly half a year now and having its name completely changed, I simply can't let this one slide. Hence why even with a non-neutralized objective rationale, which like I stated I've now neutralized and like the "Universal Studios" title, this deserves an up-to-a-month-long discussion! I simply had to put this RfD up at that time! Intrisit (talk) 22:55, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I read this entire discussion and am not seeing any convincing case to take any action here. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:54, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sulcomonadidae

Sulcomonadidae → Collodictyonidae (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This taxon is monotypic and only contains the genus Sulcomonas. Until there is an article for Sulcomonas, this redirect should not exist. Jako96 (talk) 18:42, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Coffe

Coffe → Jean-Pierre Coffe (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Is this more a misspelling of coffee, or a last name? Stumbling9655 (talk) 08:45, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Coffee as a plausible misspelling. CycloneYoris ^talk! 09:08, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed my mind… keep but with a hatnote to Coffee (which I've just added now). CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:34, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Coffee and add a hatnote there linking to Jean-Pierre Coffe. I am bad at usernames (talk | contribs) 16:01, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per CycloneYoris. Steel1943 (talk) 17:35, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
See my comment after the [1st] relist. Steel1943 (talk) 22:48, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep it is the literal spelling of the current target, instead of a misspelling. The current target already has a hatnote for the misspelling -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 20:04, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag {{R from surname}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:06, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate between Jean-Pierre Coffe, Paul Coffe, and Coffee. Searching Wikipedia for other uses shows several articles where 'coffe' is used to mean coffee... -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:17, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on the proposed disambiguation?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 17:45, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per CycloneYoris Supertian8 (talk) 19:31, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do not retarget to Coffee. Per Tavix, as a surname, this redirect is ambiguous with no clear WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT target. Consider making this redirect a surname list page. Steel1943 (talk) 22:48, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and add hatnote to Paul Cuffe Tavix created the "Paul Coffe" redirect as a result of a misspelling with "Paul Cuffe", meaning we have a clear primary target and 2 misspellings. A distinguish hatnote ("not to be confused with Paul Cuffe") should be sufficient here.

Would be open to a dab/surname list page should there exist more notable individuals with the surname "Coffe" — 🪫Volatile ^{📲T | ⌨️C} 20:09, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For Paul, Coffe is not a misspelling but an alternative spelling. Coffe was the original spelling used by his father and adopted by most siblings, but Paul 'later' changed it to Cuffe: Paul's older brother John decided to use a version of his father's first name, Coffe, as his last name. Several of his siblings did the same, but not all. Paul later signed his name on correspondence, deeds, and his will by spelling 'Coffe', with a 'u' instead of an 'o'. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per VolatileAnomaly. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:53, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Witch Boy

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Cinnamon soil

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Michael Gainer

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Numerical solutions of partial differential equations

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Vasaria

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Mi País, Mi Orguyo

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Orange man bad

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Max, Mon Amore

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 20#Max, Mon Amore

Air India Express Flight 171

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

Air India Flight 787-8

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Indian Airlines Flight AI171

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Air India Boeing 787-8 redirects

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

National railway

National railway → State-owned enterprise (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

A national railway is an example of something that might be (but isn't always) a state-owned enterprise. Railways are mentioned a couple of times as examples, but never using this exact phrase. National Railway was a railroad planned in the USA in the 1870s and National Railways lists multiple other entities that have similar names so I don't think this is a good redirect as it stands, I'm unsure whether National Railway or National Railways would be the better target (both link to each other, but neither link to the current target). I don't support deletion as (a) this has been around since 2010 and (b) there isn't anything relevant the search engine finds that isn't the current target or listed at National Railways so search results would be unhelpful. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What about redirecting to Railway nationalisation? 135.23.202.10 (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've been thinking about this, and while I can see the connection (and have added it as a see also at National Railways) and it is probably better than the status quo, I'm not certain that it's unambiguously the correct target. Thryduulf (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget To Railway nationalisation. A National Railway sounds like it would be organised and owned by a national level government Servite et contribuere (talk) 05:07, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget per above. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 07:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to National Railways and rearrange entries there so that both National Railway and railway nationalisation are at the top of their sections. State-owned enterprise is a bad target in any case, and Ieel that someone doing this searching is more likely looking to find out about something that is a "national railway" and less likely to be looking to find out about the process of how we got nationalized railroads; and even so, there's a link to the latter on the disambiguation page. Mangoe (talk) 19:16, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome, Nevada

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete

Arroz

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Disambiguate * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:49, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Donald Fump

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Uyrapuru

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 19#Uyrapuru

Criticism of J. K. Rowling

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

LGBT rights in SA

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Take a car wash hippie

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

June 10

Chargers

Chargers → Los Angeles Chargers (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Of all sports teams with redirects that may refer to something else, I would question this one the most. The top of the Los Angeles Chargers article says "Chargers redirect here. For other uses see Charger (disambiguation) not Chargers (disambiguation)" and Charger (disambiguation) is a redirect to Chargers. Chargers could also refer to the Deccan Chargers, the Gold Coast Chargers, and outside of sports; Battery Chargers. I would suggest changing target to Charger. Note that 49ers currently redirects to 49er and they are a way more notable team. I might still consider discussing the redirect (Even if this one is kept) just to see whether people think change should happen considering the discussion was 10 years ago). Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Charger per nom. 162 etc. (talk) 16:47, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to "Charger" as highly ambiguous -- 65.93.183.249 (talk) 07:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The click data doesn't really show lots of readers (being confused) going from Los Angeles Chargers to Charger.[11]—Bagumba (talk) 07:33, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have taken out the "Chargers" entries from the Charger disambig, and created a dab draft at the redirect. If this becomes a disambig page, then those entries need to be deleted from the Charger dab, and replaced with a "See also" to the Chargers dab.
Apart from those entries, there are these other teams that are either have "Chargers" as the nickname in the Infobox, or are referred to in their articles as just "the Chargers", and may be added to the draft:
- San Diego Chargers (former name of the current target)
- Oran Park Chargers
- Oxford Chargers
- Carolina Chargers
- Oakleigh Chargers
- Hobart Chargers
- Mississauga Chargers
- Eugene Chargers
- Joliet Chargers
- Hillsdale Chargers
- New Haven Chargers

Others that are not referred to as Chargers, so may not be added to the draft are: Kenosha Chargers, Big Chill Super Chargers, Akari Chargers, Shell Turbo Chargers, and Union Garnet Chargers. Jay 💬 11:11, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken out the "Chargers" entries from the Charger disambig. I don't see this edit history at Charger. Can you clarify? It would be better to include all those teams at Charger#Sports. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget to Charger or use the draft dab at Chargers?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 17:18, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added the others to the dab draft. Jay 💬 07:47, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to charger; I don't see the need for a separate dab and going to one specific sports team is presumptuous. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:48, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Reverted my previous close per discussion with Jay at User_talk:Rusalkii#Chargers_RfD to allow for more time to consider the drafted dab at the redirect.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Rusalkii (talk) 22:36, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget' to Charger per nom. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 07:09, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Charger per nom. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:22, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Charger per nom. This is definitely a frequently used short hand for the team, and probably the most common usage of the term related to sports teams, but a phone charger or laptop charger, as well as a vehicle, are also very likely to be what someone may be searching for. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:55, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Big Steel

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 19#Big Steel

Drying a wet cell phone in rice

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Long/short grain

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 19#Long/short grain

Troy Pierson

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cramtonism

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Acyrologia

Acyrologia → Malapropism (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is a similar, but distinct, literary device, making this a misleading redirect. Delete per WP:REDYES. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:51, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Malapropism lists acyrologia as a synonym and there is at least some support that it is synonymous or that one is a type of the other.[12][13] These aren't the greatest sources, but maybe there should be a discussion at Talk:Malapropism about the definition or whether to add an appropriately sourced discussion of acyrologia to the article. --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sleeping dictionary

Sleeping dictionary → The Sleeping Dictionary (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Per Wiktionary, a sleeping dictionary is "a sexual partner who also serves as a native informant or language teacher for a person visiting the region from outside". That is a general concept that probably could be explored in a Wikipedia article of its own, either of that title or something broad-concept like travel and sex. As such, I think WP:RETURNTORED applies. A redirect to Wiktionary would also be acceptable. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe|🤷) 14:10, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soft redirect to that Wiktionary entry/weak keep drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 16:11, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambiguate between wikt:sleeping dictionary, The Sleeping Dictionary, and The Sleeping Dictionary (novel) per WP:PRIMARYRED. jlwoodwa (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Drafted a dab at the redirect. Jay 💬 03:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brexit means breakfast

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 18#Brexit means breakfast

A2105 road

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

A2332 road

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: soft delete

Foldable

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 17#Foldable

B1454 road

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 19#B1454 road

B1463 road

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

MacKenzie Carpenter

MacKenzie Carpenter → 2025 in country music#Upcoming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Mackenzie Carpenter → 2025 in country music#Upcoming (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Perhaps it ought to - haven't looked into that yet - but this individual does not appear in the linked article. It seems several entries I'd expect to be in that list are omitted, so perhaps there are criteria this one doesn't meet. She has a song which features someone notable, Midland, titled "I Wish You Would", but this has no reason to redirect to this list as it stands. For all I know this individual is notable and should have an article, and nobody has bothered, but I am not experienced in writing country music biographies. mftp dan ^oops 15:29, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget - Retarget to Valory Music Group. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:24, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As nominator, if that's the label Carpenter is signed to and she's at least mentioned as a member of their roster, I would consider that appropriate if nobody else objects. mftp dan ^oops 13:30, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax 0677: and @MFTP Dan: Please note that Valory Music Group is a redirect, which targets Big Machine Records (which is where the artist is mentioned). CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:28, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not trying the link. mftp dan ^oops 02:31, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:16, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Big Machine Records per my comment above. CycloneYoris ^talk! 02:23, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete in favor of search; there is not enough content anywhere on Wikipedia to warrant a redirect. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:18, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also bundle Mackenzie Carpenter. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled Mackenzie Carpenter.
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Comment - I am open to article creation as well. --Jax 0677 (talk) 14:01, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ and WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:36, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like this? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:20, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's some semblance of a start. It's not at all how a BLP should be written, but the bits and pieces are there. What does everyone else think, is this SIGCOV? mftp dan ^oops 23:55, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. --Jax 0677 (talk) 19:42, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm skeptical, but haven't done as thorough of an analysis as I would do in an AfD. —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 13:29, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with it for now. I don't think a thorough analysis is needed here. If there's an article with a credible claim of notability, we shouldn't delete it via RfD. Further concerns can be taken to AfD. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Close as articlified. Article concerns will be taken up at appropriate forums. Jay 💬 05:20, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KWFT (AM)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Lorde (Ella Yelich-O'Connor)

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

June 9

KenTacoHut

KenTacoHut → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ken Taco Hut → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Ken Taco Huts → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
KenTaco Huts → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
KenTacoHuts → Yum! Brands (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. Appears to be a restaurant featuring three of Yum's franchises in one. I think it's a meme? Does not appear to be notable enough to add to the Yum article. Rusalkii (talk) 21:50, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These seem to be a thing, or was a thing. Googling "ken taco hut" turns up quite a bit of results. Since this is/was a Yum! triple-franchise outlet, the origin of wanting to make these redirects seems clear. I'm not sure it has to be mentioned in the article, but it seems to be clearly a subtopic, if a very minor one. The main question for me is whether this is a worthwhile search term. Pageviews on these appear to be sparse. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 00:05, 4 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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KenTaco Hut (not part of the nomination and should be bundled) was an article that was merged to the same target per its AfD. The paragraph on KenTaco Hut was removed from the target with summary editing for style; copyediting. Jay 💬 09:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disability-related articles

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disability-related articles → Wikipedia:WikiProject Disability/Style advice (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I normally wouldn't touch an {{R from move}} page, or a redirect that's this old, but I just saw this WikiProject essay get cited from the "MOS" name, as if it were an actual guideline, in a POV-pushing way. There are very few links to this page. Perhaps we can live without this one? WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:17, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The solution to an editor using a redirect to push a POV is to deal with the editor in the same way we would deal with them if they had linked to the target directly. Thryduulf (talk) 11:15, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: keep or delete?
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Delete. Non-MoS pages should never have MoS related redirects (or page names). Gonnym (talk) 14:10, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A WikiProject's style advice is close enough to the MOS that I'm okay with this redirect. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:38, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I think it's best we keep a clear differentiation between what is and isn't in the manual of style. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What differentiation between style guidance in the manual of style, some of which applies to specific topics/articles and style guidance for specific topics/articles elsewhere is important to make? Why is making that distinction important? Thryduulf (talk) 15:03, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction is that the manual of style is a formal guideline and hence has a higher degree of consensus behind it than individual WikiProjects' advice pages. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:27, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some bits of the manual of style are not widely supported by people other than MOS regulars (as evidenced by how controversial capitalisation can get for example) while style advice found in some wikiprojects is uncontroversial. So whether some piece of style advice is found in place A or place B is not a reliable guide to how strong a consensus it enjoys, meaning that enforcing an arbitrary barrier to finding a given bit of guidance based on that seems counterproductive. Thryduulf (talk) 22:51, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, if someone is being misleading about how much buy-in a page has that's on them; realistically speaking I expect this to be helpful for navigation and not misdealing for anyone actually opening the page, which we should do anyway if a guideline we're not familiar with is linked in an argument. Rusalkii (talk) 06:06, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisting comment: One more try...
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Keep per Tavix DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 09:51, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The distinction between MOS and advice pages is important, however a redirect that may help some editors remember where this is located seems more helpful than harmful. Editors conflate essays, advice pages, and P&G all the time and that should be dealt with when raised in a discussion. There's no evidence of rampant abuse of this redirect or unique problems here.--MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Square root of 4

Square root of 4 → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Square root of 9 → 3 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Sqrt4 → 2 (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unneeded, it's very unlikely that someone would look for the articles for 2 and 3 through this. Wikipedia is not a calculator. Square root of 1 was deleted for similar reasons in a 2019 RfD. I am bad at usernames (talk) 03:20, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Square root of 4 to set a consistent pattern with the articles Square root of 2, Square root of 3, Square root of 5, Square root of 6, Square root of 7. That was the same reason I created Square root of 9 last year, but I acknowledge the argument is weaker there since there is no Square root of 8 article. And if I had seen the 2019 RfD I would probably have supported keeping it for that reason too. And 9 is as far as this will go - I did not create (and would support deleting if someone else created) Square root of 16 Square root of 25 etc. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:42, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also adding Sqrt4 to this for the same reason, I didn't notice it when creating the RfD. I am bad at usernames (talk) 03:45, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep Sqrt4 by the same argument: Sqrt2 Sqrt3 Sqrt5 Sqrt6 Sqrt7. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't aware of those Sqrt redirects. They are clearly not "necessary", yet are among the kinds of things we keep just because someone might possibly invoke them at some point. There are a ton of miscapitalized redirects that we keep around even though they do a lot of actual harm by showing up in the Visual Editor popup that invites people to link them. I'd say if we're keeping objectively harmful redirects, why not keep the potentially useful ones, too? Dicklyon (talk) 05:40, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as this is potentially useful for our readers. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:35, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Excuse me what? I have to call bullshit on this one. If someone so badly needs to know what the square roots of 4 or 9 are and can't figure it out some other way, they should go to our article on the square root itself, not to the specific value they type in. This also doesn't really address the "WP isn't a calculator" argument -- why stop here? Why not Square root of 2209 -> 47 (number)? Or 1+(2*3) -> 7? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I explained above why this should stop where it does. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Someone might think theres an article for Square root of 4 and search it. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 16:38, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. I was going to write a couple sentences, but they would have been almost identical to the nomination statement. I don't buy the argument that a sequence of titles has to be complete if anything in that sequence is sufficiently different, as is the case here. As a side note, I'd also advocate deletion of all of the "Sqrtn" redirects as malformed and useless (and all recently created). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Question. Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3? As far as I recall, both positive and negative integers are square roots of the positive integer. BD2412 T 18:32, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3?" Is it possible? Of course, in the sense that it's also possible to have an article on the cheeto I found in my bathtub this morning. Is it realistic or even a good idea? No. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This comment either misconstrues the question or, given the "cheeto in the bathtub" attitude, is unserious. Should Square root of 5 and Square root of 7 exist? These appear to be quite notable. We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10. The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers. BD2412 T 14:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It was an inane answer to an inane question, but the point I was making was completely serious. "We probably should have articles on Square root of 8 and Square root of 10." No, we probably shouldn't; we probably shouldn't even have articles for 6 and 7 either, but I don't have the stomach to start AFDs on those. "The only difference with 4 and 9 is that the square roots are whole numbers." That's a pretty big goddamn difference, don't you think? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that WP:CIVILITY is required to enjoy the right to edit here. It is part of the terms of service that you agree to abide to every time you click "Publish changes" for an edit. BD2412 T 16:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't call one "goddamn" enough to break WP:CIVILITY User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:26, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

... square root of 10 is apparently blue and points to Square root#Square roots of positive integers. I would have no objection to retargeting these redirects there as well. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:02, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. These redirects are more likely to confuse than clarify. Articles are better served by linking to Square root. Clicking on a link for Square root of 4 but ending up on a page about a different number (2) without an explanation may be disorienting. Brigandeur (talk) 00:23, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Um, what? How is it disorienting to search for "square root of four" and be correctly told that it is two? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It is disorienting as a link from an article. Searching for random terms is a different usage. Should redirects be used as context-less repositories of facts, like a Jeopardy bot? For example, I wonder who the current King of England is. If I search for that term, I get redirected to the topic of the Monarchy, not the person currently holding that title. Brigandeur (talk) 06:48, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your argument is flawed. The King of England is a temporary position and is therefore subject to change. On the other hand, the square root of any number will remain constant. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. --Plantman (talk) 07:13, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Whether a topic has a temporal component is not relevant here. I am comparing linking to a concept and linking to a specific instance. The square root of four is both constantly a square root and equal to two. My argument is that in a hypothetical discussion where the square root of four comes up, the relevant topic to link to would be the concept of a square root. Linking instead to two by way of a redirect from "square root of four" comes off as both obfuscatory and condescending. Brigandeur (talk) 02:32, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all (and promote Draft:Square root of 4 to mainspace), and add content to the target articles about the phenomenon of their being the square roots of the smallest numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412 T 14:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm . 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:43, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The square root of 10 actually appears to be independently notable and mathematically significant. See Warren R. Giordano and David Fuller, "Is the Universe Cheating at Math By Using the Square Root of 10 Instead of Pi?". BD2412 T 16:18, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm Facepalm 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:03, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your emojis do not seem to be winning anyone to your point of view. BD2412 T 20:29, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps not, but it's about all I can muster when someone with over 2 million edits suggests, with a straight face apparently, a blatantly crank physics article hosted on academia.edu as evidence of notability of the square root of 10. You lecture me on civility, and yet you waste other people's time with this stuff. All after asking of the square roots of 4 and 9 could host their own articles separate from our articles on 2 and 3. And then you go on to suggest that a nothing "property" be added to the articles on 4 and 9, which both already mention (the second in passing) that these are square numbers, which is the same thing. Come on. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:57, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You have misread my proposal. I suggested to add something to the target articles (in this discussion, the redirect targets, 2 and 3) indicating that they are, respectively, the square roots of the smallest even and odd numbers to have whole number square roots. BD2412 T 02:27, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First, that's simply not true, and second, those articles already say that they're perfect squares, which is the exact same thing as having a whole number square root. And before you proclaim "oho! then redirect them there!", no, for the reasons already stated by me and Brigandeur. I also misread nothing of the sort, you asked, point blank:
Question. Is it possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine that are distinct from the numbers 2 and 3?
. You've turned what should be a fairly mundane discussion into a clusterfuck of red herrings and other nonsense. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It turns out that it is possible to have articles on the square root of four and square root of nine, and I'm very pleased that now we are going to have these. BD2412 T 01:24, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm Facepalm Facepalm 35.139.154.158 (talk) 02:10, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your face must be so red by now. BD2412 T 20:01, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(working link: https://www.academia.edu/32723079/Is_the_Universe_Cheating_at_Math_By_Using_the_Square_Root_of_10_Instead_of_Pi?sm=b) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:13, 15 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Square root of 4 to article, using Draft:Square root of 4. Dicklyon (talk) 05:08, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh give it a rest...your years-long trolling with this is just disruptive, and bordering on ANI-worthy. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:23, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you think something is ANI-worthy, then you should take it to ANI. BD2412 T 17:25, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Some people have no sense of humor. Dicklyon (talk) 05:36, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care what happens to the redirect but I oppose this draft going anywhere but MFD BugGhost 🦗👻 17:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all along with √4, √9, ... √225. Some redirects from mathematical expressions are useful because they correspond to the reason a number it notable or are faster to type (10^9). Others are useful because they redirect to articles about the expression (e^ipi). These are just calculator results that happen to have an article. Jruderman (talk) 04:37, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The chance that someone is going to invoke a redirect with such an obscure character is roughly zero. Yet they're harmless. So why bother? Dicklyon (talk) 05:45, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They may be harmless from a reader's perspective, but from an editor's perspective they create the impression that there is a pattern that should be followed and that more such redirects should be created (see "That was the same reason I created Square root of 9" above). Should we bother to to create them, or clean these up and move on? Brigandeur (talk) 09:59, 18 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I feel as though redirecting these articles will lead to more debate and a domino effect. If "sqrt4" leading to "2" isn't okay for WP, then what making "2^2" redirecting to "4" okay? Why does "sqrt(-1)" redirect to "Imaginary unit"? "10^6" to "1,000,000"? Where does Wikipedia draw the line? Why not have all "derivative of n" articles redirect to 0? It seems a bit contradictory. MontanaMako (talk) 22:20, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Redirects are cheap. Square root of 4 is a plausible search term or wikilink, and is unambiguously the same number as 2. It should not be a separate article, but some part of Draft:Square root of 4 could plausibly be merged into a section of 2 and the redirect could point at the section. Inre the nomination's "deleted for similar reasons in a 2019 RfD" it should be noted that there was a nominator urging deletion, one "weak delete", one person who retracted their vote, and one comment; there wasn't enough discussion to draw any meaningful conclusions about interested Wikipedians' general consensus. –jacobolus (t) 03:23, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Cheap and unambiguous. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:34, 19 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: A strongly-related new RfD discussion has been opened at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 May 19#Square root of 25. Steel1943 (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep square root of 4 and square root of 9 as redirects; delete sqrt4; and do not replace with the draft article. There's no harm in keeping the redirect to avoid a redlink between square root of 3 and square root of 5, though sqrt4 reads more as calculator input than a plausible search term, and any mathematical properties of the square root of 4 can be adequately discussed in the article about 2 or square root. The draft is a WP:COATRACK and WP:CONTENTFORK. ^Complex/_Rational 22:55, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ComplexRational: Do you have any thoughts on what in the draft should be integrated into the article? 2 is surprisingly sparse as is, as an article on one of the most important numbers. BD2412 T 23:20, 21 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a couple of sentences about squares, root rectangles and trigonometric rectangles are worth merging. But the rest could easily be written about the square root of any integer (e.g., continued fractions, terminating decimal expansions, standard deviations) by merely copying, pasting, and changing the numbers – in other words, nothing special to the number 2. ^Complex/_Rational 01:06, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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keep the first two, delete the third one as it seems to be a bit of a stretch. I also feel like Square root of 1 shouldn't have been deleted, but that's a different issue. --Plantman (talk) 03:17, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not what redirects are for. Unhelpful for readers who may be trying to learn more about the topic. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:16, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- To clarify, a reader who might plausibly search for "square root of n" is most likely looking for explanation and instruction on the meaning of the operation and its calculation. They are not served by being blankly redirected to the result without any explanation. The only vaguely related explanation would be found Square root, so that is the only plausibly acceptable target, though barely, so I would favour deletion rather than retargeting. The redirects are also misleading, since -2 and -3 are also the square root of 4 and 9. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Paul 012: Would it change the calculation if there was content at the target articles describing their function as the positive square roots of the redirected numbers? BD2412 T 03:07, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    - Not sure what calculation you meant; did you perhaps mean to ask if it would change my opinion? If direct mentions at the targets are added, then I guess I'll have to (grudgingly) accept the redirects. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yes, I meant the utility calculation of having the redirect. BD2412 T 16:57, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, useful. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 16:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete the 3rd one tho, implausible. DrinksOrCoffee_talk^Contribs 16:34, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I just noticed that Square root of 4 has history, though that only lasted three days. Not sure if restoring the article and nominating at AfD instead would lead to any better informed outcome. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- I have restored the previously deleted content under the redirect for discussion. I believe that this is the most complete version. BD2412 T 16:59, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 6#Square root of 25 has been closed to a "no consensus" result. Steel1943 (talk) 18:55, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: See Special:WhatLinksHere/Square root of 4 and Special:WhatLinksHere/Square root of 9. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 07:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Goon H.

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 17#Goon H.

Tarrasque

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Retarget to Monsters in Dungeons & Dragons#Tarrasque

Dig! (website)

Dig! (website) → Warner Music Group (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Not mentioned in target. Probably too specific to be added. Rusalkii (talk) 23:29, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment if this is kept, hatnotes should be added at Dig! and Digg. Thryduulf (talk) 14:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Freedom Flotilla Coalition

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Coast Guard News

Coast Guard News → United States Coast Guard (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Misleading / false-information redirect. This defunct publication has no connection the US Coast Guard other than as the main topic of its former coverage. It was a publication of Bright Mountain Media, whose big disclaimer read: "Neither the United States Coast Guard nor the Department of Homeland Security has officially approved, endorsed, or authorized this website." [14]. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 10:30, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment "United States Coast Guard News"[15] is, per the banner at the top of the page, an official website of the US Government and United States Coast Guard News does redirect to United States Coast Guard, and it's not an implausible search term for that. Other than the official news page of the US Coast Guard Academy [16] almost all my search results are for (collections of) news stories about or featuring the USCG (the Daily Mirror features prominently in my results for some reason). Hits on Wikipedia are almost exclusively in citations though, so I'm unsure how useful a search term this is. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Fatin (307261) 2002 MS4

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Holding Former Government Officials Accountable for Election Interference and Improper Disclosure of Sensitive Governmental Information

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What tнe⃗ ♯$*! D⃗𝞱 𝓌Σ (k)πow!?

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List of sexualities

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete lists involving both gender and sexuality, Retarget List of sexual orientations to Outline of human sexuality#Sexual orientation, No Consensus on List of sexualities

2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash

2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash → 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger crash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger 604 crash → 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger crash (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

The crash actually involved a Bombardier Challenger 601, so these redirects are inaccurate. Delete. Mr slav999 (talk) 19:41, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep 2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash, article was at this location for two years and it could break incoming links. Casablanca 🪨^(T) 01:51, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The pageviews for 2019 Coahuila Challenger 604 Crash could have been from Bombardier Challenger 600 series which had a link, which I have just removed. Wait a few months and check again. Delete 2019 Coahuila Bombardier Challenger 604 crash. The article was at this title for only 18 minutes. Jay 💬 02:09, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miércoles

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

CVS Pharmacy, Inc. v. Doe

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COASTER

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Stinko

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Dr. Dr.

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ABDUL RAHIM AYOUBI

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June 8

YTV (TV channel)

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Ghost of the Goon

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Unibomb

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International EMMY Awars

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Factor gear

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Edison Research

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Member I Told You

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Influencer Smurf

Influencer Smurf → Smurfs (film) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Meme about a smurf from the trailer of this movie, not mentioned in the target page. Possibly merits a mention (see e.g. [17] [18]), in which case the redirect should be kept, but I believe the character was replaced for the actual movie. Rusalkii (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to List of The Smurfs characters as {{R from list entry}}. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:43, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The table there has 117 smurfs listed, but not one of them is cited. I have added nom's source there though. Jay 💬 09:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

PC-80

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The Doctors (series 1)

The Doctors (series 1) → List of Medics (Polish TV series) episodes (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

This is ambiguous and should be deleted. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 15:01, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Doctor#Series as a {{R from incomplete disambiguation}}. Thryduulf (talk) 19:35, 17 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to Doctors series 1 as I don't see the ambiguity. Nothing else at Doctor#Series seems to have something called "series 1". -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:04, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Re Tavix: The Doctors (2000 TV series), The Doctors (1963 TV series), The Doctors (1969 TV series) and The Doctors (talk show) at least all have multiple series/seasons ("series" is always a plausible search term for "season" and vice versa). This is a plausible search term for the first series/season for all of them. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 26 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you show evidence of usage of "series 1" for any of those shows? If yes, add a hatnote. If no, don't add one. So long as Doctors series 1 is at the base title, it is the de facto primary topic. -- Tavix ^(talk) 14:41, 27 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Googling "The Doctors series 1" the top three results are for the 2020 TV series, The Doctors (South Korean TV series), Doctor Who: The Doctors, and a book series by Louise Bay (both of which might be notable) also appear on the first page. Searching for "The Doctors" "Series 1" Doctors (2000 TV series) is the top hit, with the 2020 TV series and the talk show also making an appearance on the first page. All the evidence I can see points to there being no primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 13:22, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If anything, this is solid evidence that Google results should not be used to determine primary topic. The first three things you list are a series that only has a single season and a couple of things that don't have articles. None of those things are useful for the question at hand. Instead of regurgitating, can you try analyzing these results? How is "series" used in this context? -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:09, 10 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In all cases "series" is used in the plain English sense. It is not our job to say that people using "series 1" in relation to a TV programme that didn't have a series 2 is wrong, it is our job to enable people to find the content they are looking for (not the content we think they should be looking for). It is very clear that people using the search term are not looking for a single topic, but multiple different ones. I have analysed all the information available, and it all points to the same conclusion: there is no primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 10:49, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saying "plain English" isn't helpful because 'series' has multiple uses in (plain) English. In television, series can be synonymous with the American English usage of season or it can be synonymous with program. I'm asking for your evidence because I do not believe you have analyzed your regurgitation of Google results to filter for the correct context. Better evidence would be linking to the specific results that uses "The Doctors series 1" to refer to each series in question. I also disagree with your assertion that Google results can be used to deduce what someone would be searching for in Wikipedia. Google's algorithm prioritizes giving a searcher a variety of different results; this is so a searcher doesn't have to scroll through a bunch of similar results to find a minority topic. This is not compatible with Wikipedia's preference to use primary topic. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've presented all my evidence and explained to you my methodology and reasoning. It's now up to you to actually provide some evidence that there is actually a primary topic, rather than just repeatedly asserting I'm wrong without backing that up. Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I do not have the burden of proof, I cannot provide evidence of absence. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:47, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not asking you to provide evidence of absence, I'm asking you to provide evidence of the primary topic you repeatedly claim exists. Thryduulf (talk) 11:11, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I made no such claim. -- Tavix ^(talk) 01:37, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? You've spent this entire discussion opposing the view that there is no primary topic. Either there is a primary topic or there isn't, if you reject the evidence showing there is no primary topic then (assuming you are acting in good faith) you can only be asserting that there is a primary topic. Are you commenting in good faith? Thryduulf (talk) 11:34, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you recall my original !vote, my rationale was I don't see the ambiguity. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC only comes into play where there's ambiguity. -- Tavix ^(talk) 12:41, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Retarget to Doctor#Series No clear primary topic. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:21, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First choice - Delete per nom because of the ambiguity. Second choice - retarget to Doctors series 1 per Tavix, and tag as {{R from incorrect name}} and {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} to a properly titled article per WP:TVSEASON. We don't have any specific article on the series 1 of any "The Doctors" shows, and we have The Doctors (TV series) for anyone interested in any other show with the name. Jay 💬 08:36, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Annie Knight

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Wikipe

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June 7

Bruhat

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First fire

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East coast of Scotland

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Template:Chart

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Psynapse

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Richie Sunak

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Referendum on EU membership

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June 6

Earl Sweatshirt's third studio album

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Earl Sweatshirt's 2nd studio album

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Jay-Z's twelfth studio album

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Todd Smith (singer)

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Template:Request edit/sandbox/request

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Robots in the Sky

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Noah Parker

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Entertainment complex

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SoulStice

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: revert BLAR

University (Scandinavia)

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Nicholas Logan

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Square root of 25

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Judge Bridlegoose

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There's been a murder

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Earl of Inchequin: restoration of honours, manors, lands and tenements in Ireland.

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User:JPHestel

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Wikipedia:Blocklog

Wikipedia:Blocklog → Special:Log/block (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Redirect to a special page, therefore the redirect doesn't actually work (it's more like a soft redirect). I don't know if converting into a soft redirect using {{Soft redirect}}, or retarget to something like Help:Log, which describes this process. Or even retarget to the historical page Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Block log, to match WP:Block log. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 02:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Technical comment If everyone thinks the current target is good, i.e. we want people searching for "WP:Blocklog" to end up at the block log special page, the technical setup shouldn't be a reason to do anything except replace the current coding with the proper {{Soft redirect}} coding. Nyttend (talk) 05:04, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to soft redirect. This has existed since 2004, so I'd avoid messing too much with it. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:56, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Convert to a soft redirect per above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Block log (as a {{R avoided double redirect}} of Wikipedia:Block log), which contains links to the current block log and also the various historical block logs from prior to 23 December 2004. I don't see a reason why the spaced and unspaced titles should lead to different targets. Thryduulf (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Retarget to Wikipedia:Historical archive/Logs/Block log per Thryduulf. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:24, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Hye-kyung

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Wikipedia:MODS

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ISO 3166-2:UNK

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Reese River Hot Springs

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete the first one, Retarget the second one. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:17, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Aspro Mavro

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Apopse As Vrethoume

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Anna Mari-Elena

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All To You

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Gooner

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June 5

ImmigrationToFinland

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

The Apopka Chief

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Bindzsisztán

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Masahiro Nakai v. Fuji TV

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Cars 2006

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Shrek song

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: retarget

Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States

Anti-Israel protests on university campuses in the United States → Gaza war protests in the United States#Universities (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Unnecessary freakishly long redirect that could refer to Gaza war protests in the United States, 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses, or 2025 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses. Also WP:CSD G5 could apply here. Delete. Thepharoah17 (talk) 20:27, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Would anyone ever type this? Catboy69 (talk) 20:42, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig. This is a plausible search term for multiple targets so we should disambiguate, not leave the reader hunting through search results (which may be several clicks/taps away) that may or may not contain the article they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 20:49, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig per Thryduulf. This is a plausible search term, given that most of the protests regarding the Gaza War are anti-Israel. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Retarget to just Gaza war protests in the United States rather than Gaza war protests in the United States#Universities specifically. The latter is a subsection of the "Responses" section, and is in fact specifically about the responses to the protests and not the protests themselves, so is definitely unsuitable. The protests themselves are covered geographically, with no single subsection that covers universities, so there's no obvious better subsection target. I'm not sure 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses and 2025 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses are helpful disambiguation options since they're essentially sub-articles of Gaza war protests in the United States - in other words, everything in them is more generally covered there, and I think if people were looking for year-specific details they'd include a year. But if there are any articles that substantially cover anti-Israel campus protests that weren't in the context of the Gaza War, e.g. any prior to 2023, I'd support disambiguating with those. -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:57, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Could you elaborate on why WP:CSD G5 might apply here? -Elmer Clark (talk) 03:59, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because the user who created the redirect is a blocked sockpuppet. Thepharoah17 (talk) 04:23, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate to cover the current target and the other articles mentioned by the nominator. Nyttend (talk) 06:11, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the other articles are partial subtopics and disambiguation is unnecessary. Cremastra (Go Oilers!) 19:55, 15 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unrefine per Elmer, and do not disambiguate per Cremastra. #Universities is a #Responses sub-section and not appropriate. #Pro-Palestinian_protests_on_university_campuses, a sub-section of #National, is more appropriate than the current, but unfair to the other state sections. Jay 💬 10:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unrefine per Jay. Mildly related: I'm surprised Anti-Israel protests is red. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:06, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Filmi music

Filmi music → Filmi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Filmi song → Filmi (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Filmi Songs → Hindi film music (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Filmi appears to be music in Indian cinema in general, whereas Hindi film music is only one part of Indian cinema. Filmi devotional songs too talks only about Hindi songs. Filmi qawwali includes Pakistan and Bangladesh as well, while Filmi pop appears to be Pakistan-specific. Apart from the redirects needing to be consistent, should we also make one of these a disambiguation page, in case Filmi is not seen as the WP:BCA umbrella topic? Jay 💬 10:40, 20 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Filmi music and Filmi song. Remove Filmi songs since you rightly point out that 'Filmi' refers to Indian cinema in general. I'm not sure a disambiguation page is necessary. It may be more useful to update the pages you have mentioned to be more inclusive, but I am open to discussion. Katiedevi (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget Filmi Songs to Filmi, Keep Filmi song and Filmi music targeted as they are. I agree that there seems to be an issue with Filmi's coverage being limited to India while articles like Filmi qawwali making it clear that "filmi" is not in fact India-specific. But I think it's clear the same concept is being described and this is just an issue of inadequate coverage in Filmi. I don't see the need for a DAB. -Elmer Clark (talk) 04:38, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Target all at Filmi per Elmer Clark. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:00, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vichy water

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dry heat

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Just Do It (film)

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Wokepedia

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Earthen Vessel

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Performative feminism

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CTGP Revolution

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Taking a load off

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Coffe

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K.u:K. Armee

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Sulphur bath

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Safe for drinking water

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Infused [Ww]ater

Infused water → Infusion (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Infused Water → Drinking water (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These redirects should either have their targets synched or should both be deleted. I have no strong stance either way ... but am defaulting to weak delete if by chance there is no participation since I'm not certain these phrases can describe any specific subject. Steel1943 (talk) 07:09, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note, Infused water has a WP:BLAR'ed article hiding in its history, potentially a {{R with history}}. Steel1943 (talk) 07:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Most of the Google results for "Infused water" are references to fruit/herb-infused water, which we don't have a page on at the moment. So it would be unhelpful for the vast majority of people familiar with the term "infused water". --Plantman (talk) 07:21, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Infused water wasn't BLARed, it was redirected due to the consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Infused water in 2017. Pinging the still-active participants @Bon courage, City of Silver, MjolnirPants, Roxy the dog, Bonadea, JzG, and Bearian:. Thryduulf (talk) 15:35, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I can't see the deleted content but as I recall it was complete bollocks and nothing was merged. Guy (help! - typo?) 15:38, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's still in the history of the redirect, and you are correct, it's bollocks. Just ad-copy language extolling the benefits of drinking it. Nothing useful to merge, really. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:00, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the ping. I recall this, even though my !vote was rather succinct.

The capital W page was created, then moved over a redirect to the lowercase w page. The lowercase w was, at some point, a redirect to Drinking water, so a bot came along and fixed the double redirect by changing the capital W's target to the drinking water article. Later, the lowercase w's redirect was removed and it was written up as an article extolling the virtues of drinking fruit and vegatable-infused water. That's where that prior AfD came into play. That resulted in the lowercase w being blanked and redirected to Infusion.

And now here we are.

I'm going to be bold and change the capital W's redirect target. If this discussion forms a contrary consensus, feel free to revert me and implement it. 16:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:11, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
...Which I have reverted per the hidden note generated by the {{Rfd}} template that states not to do that. If synching needs to occur, that can be performed at the conclusion of this discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...Yep, that's an AfD. Read through the edit history too quickly. (But ... it is still technically a WP:BLAR since nothing was merged...) Steel1943 (talk) 16:57, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Smerge - as I write years ago, a few sentences are all they need. Bearian (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget Infused Water to Infusion (aka the current status quo as of MjolnirPants's boldness). Infusion covers infused water, Drinking water does not. -Elmer Clark (talk) 05:14, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Infused Water which at that capitalisation infers a proper name such as a brand name. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:12, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Infused Water per Shhhnotsoloud. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:11, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Target both at Infusion where infused water is covered. -- Tavix ^(talk) 16:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Desalination membrane

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 June 16#Desalination membrane

RO/DI

RO/DI → Reverse osmosis#Aquariums (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Seems to be a WP:XY in the context which it is used. "RO" represents the nominated redirect's target ... but apparently, "DI" stands for Deionization, which is a redirect towards Purified water#Deionization, and thus apparently a separate subject. In addition, in the target article, the current target section and Reverse osmosis#Water and wastewater purification both mention deionization. With all this being said, and the fact this redirect is a mishmash of acronyms, probably best to delete this thing. Steel1943 (talk) 06:32, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The RO/DI combo is explicitly discussed in that article ("An effective combination of both RO and deionization is popular among reef aquarium keepers...") but not in Purified water#Deionization. And from discussions like [19] and [20], I get the impression that RO/DI water is considered a sort of subcategory of RO water, so even the parts of that section that don't explicitly address it might still be of interest to someone searching "RO/DI." -Elmer Clark (talk) 07:45, 30 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom as first choice, or unrefine as second choice. If aquariums are the context for this redirect, then shouldn't Marine aquarium, which has multiple mentions, be the more appropriate (but surprising) target? Water purification would have been the best, but even there RO and DI are separate sections, and not mentioned together. Jay 💬 05:55, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Miley cryus

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: no consensus

Miley yrus

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Miley Cyprus

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Penes

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Defackating

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Mi País, Mi Orguyo

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Michael Gainer

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Prakriti

Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy keep

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