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November 22

Can't get this right

would someone please have a look at the Paddy Casey page? In the singles section of the discography the first single is out of place in the table. i can't get it to go down where it should be, and i feel like i've tried everything... any chance anyone else would have a look and see if they can set it right?

cheers guys!

NaLaochra 02:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. --LesleyW 04:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments on User_talk:NaLaochra --LesleyW 04:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

need a translation

what is "nik" and "donatello's"

This page is for Wikipedia help only — how to edit, navigate. and operate in Wikipedia. It is not a general reference source. But I'm sure that someone at the Linguistics portal would be glad to help. Saravask 01:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Also see the reference desk. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User is promoting a book

Hi. How do I report a user who keeps on adding material about a person and this person's book on various pages? He never adds HTML links, so I can't call it link-spamming. He has never contributed anything else. I suspect this user and this book author is the same person. Also, what warning can I give? -- Perfecto 01:37, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you're unsure what to do, try leaving a note at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, with some links to articles and the user in question, and someone there will have a look at it. It does sound fishy, from your brief description; is it a recent book, and are they particularly relevant articles? Shimgray | talk | 01:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(reply removed by author)

Straits Of Magellan/Drake Passage

The pictures in these articles are failing to load.

As the note near the top of your screen should say, server installation is preventing the display of images. Deltabeignet 05:11, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Need help reading German to verify article

There is no German/Deutsch/Germany/Deutschland regional notice board, so I don't know where to ask for help. I need help from someone familiar with Germany or German to verify the article THTR-300. Is this a notable, real-life power plant? -- Perfecto 04:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Try WP:BBL. Deltabeignet 05:10, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was a real-life power plant, and imho notable enough - notice the building costs and the size of the cooling tower, also because of its political significance in the nuclear power controversy in Germany in the 70s and 80s. The article is a clumsy translation of de:THTR-300, but you can google english-language sources - for example, here the European Commission stated THTR 300 is the largest reactor of its type in the world. regards, High on a tree 02:20, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Quick revert?

I've noticed the typical text to revert something is: Reverted edits by 12.217.63.92 to last version by K1Bond007, but with the 12.217.63.92 changed to that person's contributions. How do I wikify that? Also, is there an easy way to write that without constantly typing that in? Thanks. --JHMM13 05:49, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Admins can do it by doing something they call a rollback. The rest of us have to type it in if we want it to read that way. Dismas|^(talk) 05:51, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, man. Well in that case, is there any sort gold standard to which everyone must adhere, or can I just say "rv" or "rv from blahblah back to shimsham?" --JHMM13 05:54, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes you can, provided you are clear about what "blahblah and shimsham" mean. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:59, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, well obviously! I simply meant that those would be the two users. Thanks, guys. --JHMM13 06:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The recommended edit summary is "rv edits by 219.148.86.36 to last version by David Shear". See WP:RV. It is particularly important in the case of multiple edits by David Shear to state explicitly the version to which you are reverting. --Walter Siegmund (talk) 06:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'll chime in to note that if it's simple, obvious, clear vandalism then you can use a very abbreviated edit summary. rvv for 'revert vandalism' is sufficient. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 08:38, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hrm, is my cache acting up, or is my subcat not working?

Just a really quick question, but I tried to create the subcat of Category:Religious NPOV disputes to help subcat the extrememly large Category:NPOV disputes, but when I look at the latter, it's not showing the subcat the first as a subcat >:\ Sherurcij 09:06, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You need to add a subcategory to the category like you do with articles for it to be automated. I'll do it for ya. - 131.211.210.16 09:17, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, you seem to have done it correctly, but the category isn't showing up as a subcategory in Category:NPOV disputes. Odd... - 131.211.210.16 09:21, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah...anybody have any ideas what's going on? Sherurcij 09:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The category is showing up. The problem here is (what may be a MediaWiki bug) that the category only shows up under R, and not up the top. That is, you will find the category listed here but not on the main category page. jnothman ^talk 12:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's a bug all right. Subcategories should be showing up under a subcategory header, not along with the articles. Can someone with more time on their hands please report it? - Mgm|^(talk) 17:33, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It was reported by David Gerard in December 2004, but is still unassigned. jnothman ^talk 04:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

how do i cite

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.120.176.26 (talk)

Do you mean how do you cite your sources when writing an article, or do you mean, how to cite Wikipedia elsewhere? --David Woolley 13:43, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I could imagine this to be a troll, given the number of times one is told not to ask that question on this page. Banana04131 04:28, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Changing link colour in one instance

I'm sure there's a clever CSS way to do it, but I'm not sure how. How can I get a wikilink to appear in white text when it's against the black background of a table cell? If left its normal blue colour, the link is virtually invisible. --Gareth Hughes 13:55, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if I wanted to type the link Wikipedia in white, I would type the following:

<font color="#FFFFFF">[[Wikipedia]]</font>

This looks like Wikipedia. I'm not sure if this is what you want, though. Izehar 17:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The other question is—does the table background need to be black? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:19, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, the script I typed above will make the letters white, regardless of the background colour. Izehar 18:57, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That is just obvious when somebody shows you the answer. Thank you all. The text is in {{language/quilt}}: different language classes are colour coded. Unfortunately, one of the chosen colours is black, and in a few cases, I want link text on the black background. I hope that's clear. Thanks. --Gareth Hughes 23:27, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering if there was something wrong with my browser, as it appeared to format the link as only the blue underlined bar, then I remembered that white text on a very pale blue background doesn't stand out too well. Rather than strain my eyes out, I used xmag to verify that there were white pixels there. — JIP | Talk 15:25, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

use keywords

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.11.209.13 (talk)

No content, but this IP address has a history of subtle (date changes), and unsubtle (sexually explicit passages in inappropriate articles) vandalism. --David Woolley 17:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unlike other items in an article (wikify, copyedit, etc), I never see a {contents} tag, so I wonder what makes one? How do you add it? Right now, I can only do this by copying a segment out of an existing article with a Table of Contents. Also, How do you set where the Contents appears? I see some pages with it at the top, but most have it after the intro paragraph. What is the "proper" location? Rlevse 17:42, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Table of contents. -- Rick Block (talk) 17:53, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The proper location is after the intro paragraph, but sometimes images and infoboxes don't allow this placement, in which case it's moved. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures

Why are some pictures not showing up? 130.111.98.131 18:58, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There should be a note at the top of this very page about the new image server that's being installed. That's probably why; hopefully they'll start showing up again soon! —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-10-22 19:22:18Z

Taxobox

What is a taxobox? Someone said I needed one. and how do I make one? Thanks --LPW 20:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A taxobox, like an infobox, is a table near the top of a page that summarizes the information given for an organism. See Wikipedia:Infobox and WP:TOL for more. Deltabeignet 22:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

(after collision)

It's the thing at the top right hand side of the Oleander article. However, I also said that you needed to merge your article into Oleander, or take both articles and produce one about the plant, which needs the taxobox, and one about the associated toxicology that doesn't. At the moment, I think you should merge; you can split when the toxicology part gets large enough. --David Woolley 23:03, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 23

"Save Page" editor button only previews page.

I recently set up a personal wiki to manage notes and whatnot. The install went through without much trouble. But whenever I attempt to save a page using the "Save Page" button I get sent to a preview page with the generic

Remember that this is only a preview, and has not yet been saved!

preview page line. i have tried editing various types of pages (main page, talk, discussion), as well as creating new pages. None of them allow me to save pages. I've tried editing from a sysop account and regular account, no dice. saving my preferences is also out of the question.

however, i am able to edit pages anonymously, which makes it all the more confusing. it seems like something gets set read-only once i log in, but i'm not familiar enough with mediawiki to know what.

TIA, tom link to my wiki

I signed into your wiki and couldn't reproduce your problem. sorry. jnothman ^talk 04:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Something similar sometimes happens on Wikipedia; I'm not sure whether it's related to server load, bad luck, or the phase of the Moon, however. The question has definitely come up before. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 04:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

after reading your posts i tried connecting to the wiki via a proxy and i had no problems. i turned off the proxy and encountered the same problems. i am on the same subnet as the server, i wonder if that could be causing the problem. -tom

Edit conflicts in reverting

Or better yet, the lack thereof. Many times I've reverted vandalism, saved my edits, and found via the history that someone else had already reverted it; however, I can't remember ever getting an edit conflict for any of these. I'm guessing this is either a technical issue or something to do with merging identical edits. Deltabeignet 05:59, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's how it should be. When you and someone else are reverting vandalism, you are, in fact, making the exact same change - rv'ing to the last good version. Since the changes are identical, there's no reason for an edit conflict to come up. Solver 15:27, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. Try it out sometime: Just hit the edit button on an article and hit "Save page" without making any changes. When you click on "history", you will not see a new entry, since no change was made. I agree that it's a little disorienting when you hit "save" and nothing appears to happen, but it's a good thing once you get used to it! —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-10-23 20:15:37Z

Contacting an Admin on Danish Wikipedia

I am working on the Wikipedia Mailing List. A user in Brazil wants to leave information for an admin on the Danish Wikipedia. How can I get in touch with her and let her know.

Capitalistroadster 06:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if the information is for any admin on da:, not for a particular one, she might want to contact one of the admins listed on Special:Listusers/sysop for that Wikipedia. Tito xd^(?!?) 17:09, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Copying multiple pages from one wiki to another

I want to transfer all the Taxobox templates from en wiki to telugu wiki. Is there a way I can do this quick ? --Vyzasatya 07:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Methane is being messed up

Article on Methane is being messed up with random words

Yes, it was vandalized. Thanks for trying to clean it up, I've now gone ahead and reverted to the last uncompromised version. You can help us when you see that happening by reverting the vandalism yourself. Tito xd^(?!?) 18:23, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Last names

Does a last name have it's own symbol? I am looking for a symbol for the last name HURTADO.

Thank you

I've never heard of a last name haveing a symbol. A royal or other wise important family may have a symbol but not usually ordinary names. This is a place to ask for help on useing wikipedia. You might want to see the refrence desk although I doubt they could help you. Banana04131 20:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Linking

How do I create a link to: Wikipedia Article Web URL

Thanks,

Yesselman 17:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Inside Wikipedia, you can try [[Wikipedia]]. As for the URL, it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia Tito xd^(?!?) 18:19, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

dora the explora

I am interested in purchasing Dora the Explora dubbed in German and have tried multiple web sites with no sucess. I have also called Niceledoen to no avail. Are you able to help tell me where I can order via e-mail Dora the explora dubbed in german.

Thank you.

Linda McBride <email address removed>

Can't you read the rules? It says do not list your e-mail address! In response to your inquiry: I don't think we can help you. Izehar 18:16, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This page is to ask Wikipedia-related questions only. I'm not sure how we can help. Tito xd^(?!?) 18:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend trying Amazon.de. My german isn't good enough to see if they have them translated there. Wikibofh 18:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, it might help if you had the show's name & the network's name correct; the show is "Dora the Explorer," and the network is Nickelodeon.

Has anyone ever gotten solicited over wikipedia?

Has anyone ever gotten solicited by chatting over wikipedia? --anon

Not to my knowledge. Izehar 18:51, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Frequently, haven't you? You must be contributing to the wrong kind of articles. Try solicitor. --Gareth Hughes 19:06, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Does this mean that Wikipedia isn't as safe as it seems? Is it like a chat room you're saying? --anon

Read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not; all your questions will be answered there. Izehar 19:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I read it, but it didn't say, "Wikipedia is not a chat room." It just said not to talk about other things on article's talk pages and do it on a user's talk page instead. --anon

Anon, I think Gareth was making gentle fun of you, as you didn't immediately specify which of the many meanings of "solicited" you were asking about. If you means "solicited by sex-weirdos for illegal meatspace fun" then no, I don't think that's happened, nor do I think it's likely. Everything here is logged and correlated back to its author, and discussions that diverge from wikipedia articles (over to "what kind of porn movies do you like") get stepped on pretty hard. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of years ago we had a user claiming to be a women who wanted to cyber. Last heard of over at wikinfo other than that no. Everything is just too public here.Geni 14:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Many members of wikipedia are teenagers and this site is friendly to them. Banana04131 21:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay...Guess I overeacted a bit! Sorry! --anon

How do you clean up an article?

How do you clean up an article? I have attempted to clean the E-102 Gamma article many times, but the tag is still there! Could I please have some advice? --anon

After cleaning up an article (see the Manual of Style for guidelines) you can actually remove the {{cleanup}} tag yourself to remove the notice. .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 18:54, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

But how do I know that it's actually not clean? --anon

Read Wikipedia:Cleanup and Wikipedia:Cleanup process, it may help you. You can also ask whoever added the tag to check the article after you "cleaned" it and ask him/her if it's OK for you to remove the tag. Izehar 19:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I read it, and I think the article's clean! And I already wrote to the person who put the tag on, but she/he isn't answering. --anon

If the article's clean, then remove the tag - if whoever added it objects, ask him why. Izehar 20:26, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thank you! --anon

How do you make an external link spread out?

How do you make an external link spread out? For example, I want it to look like www.wikiepdia.com, but instead, I get [1] instead. Why? --anon

In order to get www.example.com, you must type:

[http://www.example.com/ www.example.com]

Izehar 19:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To provide a proper URL, you can simply miss out the square brackets, e.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/. However, in almost all cases, you ought to be providing a full citation, so that people can find the page again, even if its URL changes. There is a template, {{Web reference}}, that you can use to include almost everything you might want to include for a web citation. --David Woolley 19:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Now I'm confused... Izehar 19:25, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm a little confused, but I'll go test it out. www.wikipedia.com. It works! Thanks! But I still don't get the URL and web reference thing. --anon

Looks like you have what you want. If you want to see how the template works, examples are provided on its talk page. --GraemeL ^(talk) 19:49, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is it okay if I just don't use those templates? --anon

I'm sure it is - I never use them. Izehar 20:23, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks! --anon

But if you're trying to reference Wikipedia, be sure to link to it at its proper address, wikipedia.org... the .com address just redirects to it. (I make it a point to fight against dot-com-itis, the disease that causes people to refuse to realize the existence of domain names that don't end in .com.) *Dan T.* 16:17, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks, again! --anon

Finding an Article with Google

In October I wrote an article on the "Battle of Salineville", a Civil War battle fought in Ohio. It was my first original article. Google does not locate that article. Also if I type only "Salineville" into the Wikipedia search box, Wikipedia does not locate my article.

I also extensively editted an existing article on capture-recapture called "mark and recapture". Google does locate that article, and Wikipedia locates it too even if I don't type in the exact name.

Is there some way I can make my "Battle of Salineville" article easier to find for people searching the internet for that information. Note that I wrote that article before I registered here. I tried linking my Civil War article to several other Civil War pages, but that hasn't made mine easier to find.

Thanks for any thoughts. -- Mark W. Miller 21:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It depends. It was created on October 15 meaning that most crawlers (such as Google) will get round to crawling to it. This could take months. The best way to get search engines to recognise it is to link to the article from other articles here on Wikipedia. Obviously don't start linking on every page but there are probably some articles that can link to it. --Thorpe 21:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I just searched for "site:en.wikipedia.org Salineville" on google, and Battle of Salineville was the 22nd match. Wikipedia's search index is irregularly upated. I see Salineville now redirects to Salineville, Ohio. You could add a history section to this article and link to the article about the battle. It seems to already be in Battles of the American Civil War and a number of appropriate categories. -- Rick Block (talk) 22:03, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

#REDIRECT

Whenever I try to redirect it comes out as

REDIRECT.

I don't understand why. I've tried How to edit a page and Redirecting. --AidPc 21:38, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To redirect a page to, for example Wikipedia, you must type:

#REDIRECT [[Wikipedia]]

Izehar 21:40, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The confusion might be the preview appearance (which interprets the "#" as a numbered list indicator). When you actually save the article, it will transform itself (as if by magic) into the redirect you're seeking. -- Rick Block (talk) 21:52, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you get that, you typed a space between # and REDIRECT. Remove it and it should work fine. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:56, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. --AidPc 17:24, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Links

How do I create a link to a Web URL for the word Religion"

Example: Definition of Religion http://www.yesselman.com/SpinIdea.htm#Religion

Thanks,

Yesselman 17:33, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

PS: I think I am a member; am I not? If not a member, how do I become one?

To link to that website under the label religion, type the following:

[http://www.yesselman.com/SpinIdea.htm#Religion Religion]

That will produce Religion. Yes, you are a memeber - please sign you name using four tildes ~~~~ Izehar 22:01, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

Where is the DYK page? Why is there no wikipedia entry for DYK ?

I don't understand. Izehar 22:37, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uhm, there is a DYK page -- have no idea if it contains whatever you might have been referring to though. .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 22:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean the feature section on the main page "Did you know. . ."?Banana04131 00:16, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 24

Random Logouts?

Why am I getting logged out every few hours or days, instead of every few weeks or months as it used to be? Kaz 01:04, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

C'mon, guys, someone speak up! I've tried both IE and Netscape, and both are logging me out pretty much every time I close the browser, despite my cache and cookie settings being very liberal. What gives?Kaz 03:40, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This won't exactly be the most helpful piece of advice I've given here, but you are about the tenth person I've seen here on the Help Desk who's been having problems in the last few months. Perhaps a quick search through the archives will turn up something useful; I don't recall any specific solutions. The standard advice is to check your browser's cookie settings and make sure that they're being allowed properly. Worst case, give Firefox a try; it seems to solve so many problems! —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-10-24 04:10:31Z

Whenever this question pops up there is a user who thinks purging your browser's cache does the trick. Give that a go.--Commander Keane 12:03, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I already checked the cookie settings, they're as liberal as possible, but I'll try manually clearing the cache.

Firefox is actually a part of the problem, in this case, not the solution. Aside from IE simply working better, whether we like MS or not, Firefox manifested this problem first, though now IE and Netscape 8 (a good compromise for people who want to be able to view websites correctly, yet hate Microsoft) are also doing it. Kaz 16:52, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Have you remembered to check remember across sessions at your preferences;. And I agree IE works better for for this but it isn't my favorite either.--Dakota ^t ^e 18:00, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Improper redirect

Black Mamba is a redirect that refers to Mamba, however the Mamba article is about Black Mambas specifically. I'm not sure how to rectify this or how to bring it to the attention of someone who can. Thanks. --Bad carpet 06:33, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You could leave a message at Talk:Mamba, and see what other editors think, or you could post a request to move it at WP:RM (make sure to read the instructions). --Gareth Hughes 15:42, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rena Mero (also known as the professional wrestler Sable)

In between the Title lineage and External links sections lie ALL the [edit] links. I don't know what is wrong with the article, but could someone help? x42bn6 Talk 08:36, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is the pictures that are doing this. I've seen it on many articles over the time I've been here, but equally I've seen many more articles where this does not happen. I've not heard any explaantion for what is causing it though, perhaps you should raise it at Bugzilla:? Thryduulf 09:32, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've sorted out the real problem, which was simply too many large photos! I've moved the Playboy ones into a gallery element within the Playboy section. wangi 11:05, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, thanks a lot. Another solution I just thought of, given the fact I now know the problem, would be to alternate the images from left to right. Not only does it look better than having the images on one side, but it also fixes the problem. x42bn6 Talk 09:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

limp bizkit

i updated some text about limp bizkit and it was deleted almost immediately. Here's the message I received:

User talk:172.148.243.195 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Jump to: navigation, search

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Talk:Limp Bizkit, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing! --Nlu 08:49, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Can someone tell me whas' up with that?

thx

I assume you a referring to this edit, which is on the Limp Bizkit talk page. I can't find any websites that match the text you placed in, so to be honest, I don't know why it was deleted. Perhaps you should ask on Nlu's talk page. In regards to the actual contents of your post, feel free to add info such as that to the actual article instead of the talk page. - Akamad 11:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Change username

Hello,

I created my very first account on wikipedia this morning and mistakenly used my email address as my username. When I then added a new entry, I noticed that my email address was visible. I then added a nickname, which changed the visible text, but when clicking on the nickname, my email address is again visible. I would like to change my username so it is no longer my email address and stop the display of my email address on wikipedia. Help!

JonathanKing 15:46, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Your username is currently "<removed email>". Since you have only made one edit (this one), I'd recommend you just start again - sign off, then sign in using "JonathanKing" or "Commander King" or whatever. You could get your current username changed over at Wikipedia:Changing username, but it's much easier for everyone to just to start again. Good luck! --Commander Keane 16:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The reason that we remove email addresses from comments is that a lot of naive users don't realise that including one may start them receiving spam. At least one of the reasons this user doesn't want their email is almost certainly that and they are sufficiently aware of the risks to realise what they have done. Although the address may be left on the history and list of users, it is less likely to get trawled by spammers than exposing it in the current version of this page - if it can be removed from the history, as well, I think that would be advisable. --David Woolley 18:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bureaucrats are now able to rename users again. See Changing username for more information on how to do it. Tito xd^(?!?) 00:18, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting of image in table

Could someone tell me how to get an image to sit squarely in the middle of the cell of a table on Wikipedia? I've got it horizontally centred, but it keeps floating to the top of the cell. --Gareth Hughes 16:05, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adding style="vertical-align: middle;" should do it. Are you perhaps specifically talking about the map in Tuareg languages? -- Rick Block (talk) 03:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Rick! It's not just in that article: there are a few articles which use this new feature to allow a map or other image to be displayed in the bottom of the infobox. The bit of wikitext that is included when this option is switched on is at {{language/map}}. This includes the 'vertical-align' property. I've tried using <div> tags around the image in the article space, but that makes it disappear completely. I'm a bit stuck with this one. --Gareth Hughes 13:59, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Restarting a hung Article for deletion process

There is an article that I've become aware which had a hung ("no consensus") Afd, but new seems to have been abandoned by its creator without having fixed its problems. I would like to restart Afd on it, but there is an archived debate sub-page, marked "please do not change". I can find procedures for appealing completed deletions, but I can't find a procedure for retrying after a mistrial (or, for that matter, deleting a page that has had a definite keep in the past). What's the correct procedure? --David Woolley 23:28, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You redo the nomination process, but add a "2" to the name of the AFD page ("Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foo2" instead of "Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Foo"). Make sure to mention,, and link to, the old vote in your nomination for the new one, and in addition to saying why you think the article should be deleted, say why the circumstances that pertained in the former vote have changed. Without this latter part you risk people getting upset that you're renominating the same article repeatedly hoping to get a different conclusion. In any event, I wouldn't advise renominating something for at least a couple of months after its first vote. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I should note that "someone said they'd fix it, but didn't" probably isn't likely to swing things, as presumably someone else can later. If only the original author can, then the article is probably OR, however. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 23:48, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This almost certainly is a case of OR. Note though that no-one promised to fix the problem in question, which was that it was not V. There are other problems that are potentially fixable by third parties. The original nomination was effectively for NN, but that statelmated (it was keep by default rather than a postive decision to keep). It certainly was NN in a Western context (and by Google), but there weren't enough people with relevant regional knowledge to defnitely say it was NN in a regional context. I'll give it a little longer. --David Woolley 20:10, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't there instructions on how to renominate something on AFD? Where is that now?- Mgm|^(talk) 05:58, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 25

Zimbabwe map showing contours and coordinates

I wish to make a map with the following: contour lines and coordinates. The map is intended toi be used to develop a disaster reduction paln for a communal area in Zimbabwe.

Macadonald Kadzatsa

I don't know if we can help you here. You should post your request on Wikipedia:Requested pictures; they may be able to fix you up with something. Izehar 11:41, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is not clear what question you are asking, although it is likely that the question really belongs on the reference desk, because it isn't about how to use Wikipedia.

If you want a ready prepared map, the problem you may find is that this level of detail is only available in maps with copyrights that wouldn't allow their use on Wikipedia (e.g. UK Ordnance Survey maps). This will vary from country to country, but I suspect that the United States is the only real exception.

If you want to create one yourself, have a look at the Surveying article.

--David Woolley 12:13, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect: how to switch SRC and DST?

Roman (disambiguation) → Roman which claims to be a disambiguation page (although it has too much stuff on it IMHO), and I think it should be the other way around, i.e. the disambiguation content should be on Roman (disambiguation) and Roman should redirect. Can a mere mortal switch them over? If not, how do I queue it up for an an admin to look at? Or am I wrong in thinking they should be switched? --LesleyW 11:40, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Before making a change like that, it's customary to discuss it first on the talk page, as some people may have serious objections. Page moves are a big deal, and you need at least 60% support before moving them. In my opinion, they shouldn't be switched - as Roman is not being used for anything else, it's easier to enter into the address bar. If you are set on making the change, follow the guidelines on WP:RM. Izehar 11:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In my view it is correct as it is. Your proposal doesn't change the essential disambiguation nature of the page and if the primary title is free, it is generally better to use that rather than title (disambiguation). Have a look at the edit history on the Roman (disambiguation) page. There are currently no links to it other than this page, but moving it (which I believe is possible for an ordinary user) would result in double redirects (e.g. Romans which would need to be repaired). I think it would be more useful to diambiguate the incoming links to Roman, which are many. --David Woolley 12:03, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. I'll work through some of those links, then. --LesleyW 21:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Images in Articles

How do I insert an image into my article and upload it? I'm having trouble finding thisRlevse 15:00, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure where you looked, but from Help (linked on every page) under "Modifying a Wikipedia page", the 6th bullet is "How to use images", which links to Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:35, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To upload an image, you use the upload page. Inserting an imige is done like [[Image:image.jpg]] this. There are lots of different options for formatting the images on a page and you can find more details at Help:Editing#Images and Help:Images and other uploaded files. --GraemeL ^(talk) 16:38, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm using the Wiki browser-based Upload File method.Rlevse 21:11, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Targets in Wikipedia Articles

Dear Help Desk,

Is it possible to create targets in Wikipedia Articles so that one can link to the target within the Article?

If possible; kindly tell me how.

Many thanks,

Yesselman 15:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Every section header within an article becomes a target, and you can add "id=..." to many HTML elements as well, please see Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Links and URLs (which is itself an example of a target). -- Rick Block (talk) 16:28, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Article

Can Wikipedia feature the 2005 Southeast Asian Games, a sporting event in Asia, in the main page for the next three days? The "soft-opening" happened November 25 and the games will formally open on November 27. Homboy 17:21, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

not really. It isn't a featured article (which only get one day in the sun) and I don't think it has a high enough profile for the in the news section.SorryGeni 17:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why isn't it high-profile enough? Based on the pictures, it's pretty big in Asia. We're supposed to be an international project. I do agree, though, that the article should be updated. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Adding Photographs When You Are The Photographer

If I wanted to add a picture to a page, and I'm the owner and photographer of the picture, which license choice do I choose? It's a public building (a bridge) and it was taken from public land. Also, since I'm the owner/photographer, is there anything else I need to do to make sure this is appropriately identified? Thanks! --EaglesFanInTampa 18:25, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of copyright tags that you could use. The simplest is perhaps {{GFDL-self}} which indicates that you are the creator of the image and that you release the image under the GFDL: the same license as the rest of Wikipedia. Alternately, you can release the picture to the public domain using {{PD-self}}. As always, it's a good idea to put as much information about the image as possible on its description page (when and where the photograph was taken, links to our articles on the subject, etc.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 18:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We can tell you what licenses are currently acceptable to Wikipedia, what we can't do is tell you what licences are acceptable to you. In the past, people have tried to revoke the licence because they didn't understand how many rights they were giving away. Whether or not you can use public domain may depend on which country your are in --David Woolley 19:24, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Be sure, too, you are happy with the idea that your photo can be modified, or used by others to make money (e.g. on a postcard, or their web site, or in a collection of art work for sale). The main difference among the choices is not that you can stop this, or get any share, but whether you get credit. Notinasnaid 19:47, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Some allow people to prevent you from using versions that they have modified. I think all allow them to be modified in ways you may find offensive. --David Woolley 22:10, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How can I make a small improvement in an article?

A small improvement in the formulation of Alexander's sub-basis theorem. The current formulation uses the phrase "sub-basic cover" without explanation; at first I thought it meant just "sub-basis"; but in fact it meant "cover contained (as a subset) in a sub-basis". Better for the statement to be more explicit.

Harold Hodes (<email removed - see instructions at top>)

You edit the article in essentially the same way as you edited this page. If the text is in a aubsection, there will be an edit link next to it. Otherwise use the edit this page tab. You can use help in the side menu for more more details. Please remember to say what you've done and why in the edit summary. That's particularly important if you edit anonymously, although, as you don't mind giving your name here, you shouldn't mind creating yourself an account. --David Woolley 21:46, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uh... pictures not showing

Sometime last night all thumbnailed pictures on wikipedia stopped displaying on my computer. Not just on wikipedia but the commons too. The wikipedia and commons logos on the top left show, though. Now the pictures are just white blanks that have the appropriate size but nothing shows. Even full-size images don't appear, and the only way to get them to show is to view the image by itself, ie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CERN_Atlas_Caverne.jpg doesn't work but /media/wikipedia/en/8/8d/CERN_Atlas_Caverne.jpg does. Not sure if this is localised, just me or universal. Some help is appreciated. Thanks. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 21:18, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This site is usually a good place to see how the Wikipedia servers are doing. - Akamad 06:15, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting Help

Hi, Im trying to format my articles. I want a new section to start after pictures or tables. Right now I have to use until I reach the end of the table or picture. Is there a better way to do this?--Ewok Slayer 21:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Using in this way is not a good idea, because it assumes characteristics of the output device that you shouldn't assume (and also the probable original inteneded meaning was that in Tex or nroff, in which multiple instances have no more effect than a single one). Rather than trying to control the layout, I think you should be moving the images so that they don't interfere with the text on common browsers. HTML was never intended to be a page description language and Wiki tends to be fairly true to the original aims of HTML. --David Woolley 21:59, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FPC use a clear:all command in a br tag, but usually, having text wrap around images and tables look better, so I recommend you use it sparingly. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:09, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly what I was looking for! Thankyou. MacGyver Im using this command now:

November 26

Help with AOL IP address issues

Ciao, and many thanks in advance for assistance. I am new to Wikipedia and have been wandering around the site, lost. I have AOL and when I created my account, negative banning comments appeared on the 'my talk' area. I created the account today and have yet to do anything but correct a typo. I read the part about AOL and the dynamic IP addresses, but is there a way for an AOL user to have a solo account? What I mean is, is there a way to have my account only be mine so that I can contribute in peace, or will this problem continue? I am sorry if this is a stupid newbie query, if there is a link or FAQ that I missed, I would appreciate some direction.

Mille grazie, Alipes 01:36, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Alipes 01:57, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You have successfully created an account and, at the time of writing, your talk page is completely empty. You will only see the IP address related page if you are not logged in. --David Woolley 10:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As David has said, your talk page is now yours. AOL reassigns IP addresses in a way not easy to understand. Everytime you browse with AOL your IP will be different. We have to write messages on anon/IP talk pages for vandals to ask them to stop, but, if the IP belongs to AOL, it is likely to be reassigned to someone nice. Recently, a vandal was so bad that I had to block them. Realising they were using an AOL IP address, I put a temporary, 3-hour block on the account. It stopped the vandalism, but within the hour I had an e-mail from a user with a full account who had been assigned the blocked IP by AOL. I unblocked the IP instantly, of course. Therfore, AOL does create problems for Wikipedia users. As you use login/username to get into your account, that is yours alone. However, your underlying IP address is not yours. We try to keep blocks on AOL IPs as short as possible, but who is to say how short is short enough? --Gareth Hughes 16:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"wall of shame"

I heard there is a place where people who wrote really stupid things have them posted and I was wondering where I could find this, Thank you.

You're thinking of Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 01:39, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Help find information

How do I use this to find out what is a Real Estate Limited partnerships and what does derivaatives options mean?

I'm lost on how to use this, can you e-mail me at <e-mail removed>

Thanks,

Carla

Please read the notice at the top. We ask you to only make one heading, to not ask general knowledge questions here (instead, ask them at the reference desk), and not to list your e-mail. Deltabeignet 02:09, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Film Clips on Wikipedia

A user has e-mailed the Help mailing list inquiring whether there were any film clips on Wikipedia.

I am not aware of any although I am sure that it would be possible to add it to the commons.

If you are aware of any non-copyvio clips on Wikipedia, could you please respond.

Capitalistroadster 02:11, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There are some, though I can't say how many. One of my favorites is at Controlled Impact Demonstration (near the bottom). Most that I've seen, if not all, are in Ogg Theora format. There's a fee codec for just about every platform; I believe there are details at the link. —HorsePunchKid→龜 2005-11-26 05:09:49Z

Meta:Video policy may be of some interest.--Commander Keane 10:27, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, there do indeed exist film clips on Wikipedia - Brian0918 and I uploaded virtually all of them (I'm the one who showed him how to do convert them to ogg theora). They can be found on commons:Category:video Raul654 14:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Changing Image Description and other data

I just uploaded an image but after pressing the button to upload, I realized I made a mistake in the image description and other data. Questions:

How can I change the write-up below the image?
Do I have to have the whole thing deleted? then upload the same image again?
On a previous occasion, I used the "Upload a New Version of this File", but it became complicated--I did not know if the old image was really deleted or it was just shoved off to another place; after uploading the image anew, it started asking some questions I couldn't answer...So I suppose this is not the right way to ensure that the write-up below the image is change? Walter Ching 13:58, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The caption on the page using the image is on the page using it. The long description and the licence tags are on the Image: page, which you can edit using edit this page, like any other page. The history entries for the actual image (File History) are history entries, so can only be entered when you upload a new image. Uploading a new image makes it the current image for that name, but you can still access the old versions by clicking on their dates in the File History. --David Woolley 14:51, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot, David Wooley! That was helpful. Walter Ching 13:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Get Rich or Die Tryin' and Get Rich or Die Tryin' (2003 album)

Rebelduder69 (talk · contribs) cut the content of Get Rich or Die Tryin' (which was previously about the 2003 album), pasted it into Get Rich or Die Tryin' (2003 album), and has turned the original page into a disambiguation page. The problem is, this happened almost three months ago, and several users have edited both pages since then, so the edit histories are very wrong. Does anybody know how to fix this? Thanks in advance. Extraordinary Machine 14:33, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by, "edit histories are very wrong"? -- Perfecto

03:57, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine that he means that the article appears to have been created by Rebelduder69 on 2005-09-05, when it was actually created by 198.81.26.44 on 2004-03-04. As it is that sort of article, there is no edit summary, so it contitutes a GFDL violation as the full list of copyright owners isn't available, nor is the full History. If it had been moved properly, the edit history would have moved with it. --David Woolley 14:05, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Publishing a Wikipedia article for commercial purposes

Can somebody publish a Wikipedia article and sell it for commercial purposes? GFDL license it seems allow commercial use of uploaded photos. How about the text and the photos together, can they be printed and sold without any legal restriction? Thanks to whomever answers this. Walter Ching 14:41, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

They can be printed and published, but under the legal restriction that the person doing so must comply with the GFDL, which means that they must provide a copy of the approved version of the GFDL text, they must include a full list of copyright owners and a full modification history (these two tend not to be enforced because they don't work well with the nature of Wikipedia), and, if printing more than 100 copies, must also provide a machine readable editable version of the document or a web reference to such a version. (Note this is for the GFDL operated properly. I would argue that the de facto Wikipedia licence is weaker with respect to several details of the GFDL, e.g. Wikipedia doesn't provide a URL that retrieves the complete document (including GFDL, copyrights, and history) and for the parts, doesn't provide them without extraneous material (the page and form in which they are mebedded).)

Provided someone complies with the GFDL requirements on licensing, etc. they can use them, and modify them, for use in any sphere of endeavour, at least as far as copyright law is concerned, although some used might constitute defamation, or migh violate criminal law. IANAL --David Woolley 15:04, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For offline things like magazines and books, a link pointing to Wikipedia and the GFDL along with a notice it can be edited and a list of contributors appears to be enough. If the list of contributors is particularly long, I'm sure it can be linked too. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:35, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's the de facto Wikipedia licence, not the GFDL (that is my perception, it is not legal advice about the licensing terms). At least for the GFDL, if they modify the article, any "transparent" form maintained by Wikipedia ceases to helpful; they have to provide access to the transparent form of their modified version. The printed version is known as an opaque version in GFDL terms. (My user page explicitly gives the Wikipedia Foundation permission to relicense because I don't think that the current licence is GFDL.) --David Woolley 00:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot to both of you, MacgyverMagic and David Wooley. Walter Ching 14:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Case for undeletion

Hello: I am the owner of a web site that previously had an article in Wikipedia. This article was recently deleted and I would like to discuss/contest this move. What is the appropriate way to do so? Thank you.

See WP:DRV for information on how to ask for a deletion review. --GraemeL ^(talk) 16:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The place to do this is Wikipedia:Deletion review. You can also read the reasoning behind the delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/(insert name of article here). If your article doesn't have such an AFD page, it was likely speedily deleted. However, unless your website had exceptionally high traffic or information that expanded the scope of an encyclopaedic article it is unlikely to succeed. --Gareth Hughes 16:10, 26 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Contesting that your web site deserves a spot in Wikipedia is, IMO, crass. But that's just me. -- Perfecto

03:54, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Book Cover Image

I created an old version of this picture Image:Betrayal(LOF).jpg. I tried uploading a new one but everytime I do it only shows the old one. I tried reverting but I can't get my newone to show up. It's in the file history ones though.--User:Jedi6 November 26, 2005

You need to flush all the caches back to the server. That's typically done using one or both of control and shift to modify the browser refresh command. Most web proxies cache images quite agressively. At least here, the latest version (after a cache flush) shows a last modified date of 2005-11-26 22:32:20 and an expires date of 2005-11-27 00:13:51,

These headers on the response show the caches at Wikimedia that are being used to speed up the serving of images but also delay updates:

 Server: lighttpd/1.4.7
 X-Cache: MISS from will.wikimedia.org
 X-Cache-Lookup: HIT from will.wikimedia.org:80
 X-Cache: MISS from vandale.knams.wikimedia.org
 X-Cache-Lookup: HIT from vandale.knams.wikimedia.org:80
 Via: 1.0 anchor-cache-01 (NetCache NetApp/6.0.1)

I don't know what the standard is for book covers, but my personal view would be that you want to halve the size of the image before you can claim that it is low resolution, i.e. to the size at which I see the thumbnail. Also, the parenthes are normally separated from the title by a space.

--David Woolley 00:23, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 27

Adding audio samples to music bio pages

Is it possible (legal) to add audio samples to a wiki page? For example, 30 second clips of essential material of a certain band? I've seen some pages link to *.ogg files that have been uploaded to Wiki. More info would be appreciated. Thanks!

--Flunkycarter 00:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I see nothing wrong linking to them, though I haven't seen it done. Submitting them as .ogg to Wiki Commons though means you're releasing it to the GFDL. -- Perfecto

03:46, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Um, no. Commons files can be under any copyleft license - not necessarily licensed under the GFDL Raul654 03:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Flunkycarter - There are some full-legnth songs uploaded to commons. You can find the master list at wikipedia:sound/list Raul654 03:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As for clips of copyrighted songs without a license, that's a legally fuzzy area called fair use. See wikipedia:Copyright FAQ Raul654 03:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So a copyrighted song, with the quality dramatically reduced (A low OGG bitrate, reduced in quality) and only providing a 30 sec. (reduced in quantity) sample of a copyrighted song would be allowed under Fair Use to illustrate an educational article(Wiki Article)?

--Flunkycarter 22:09, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the point of posting snippets of audio you do not own. No one will gain anything from it except the copyright holder. I think the copyright holder ought to release the rights to the snippets himself. But that's just me. -- Perfecto

03:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The point is to enable users to understand what the article is talking about. A short-reduced quality snippet both helps to explain the topic, and benefits the copyright holder, so it definitely qualifies as fair use. Kappa 03:39, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

how do i delete a page?

How do I delete a page, title and all? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.28.235.62 (talk) 06:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You can't. Only an Administrator can do that. You can nominate a page for deletion, though. Tito xd^(?!?) 06:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure you meant to delete Heather kalachman. Since you were the only editor, I've deleted it under the Criteria for Speedy Deletion. Tito xd^(?!?) 06:33, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia main page RSS feeds?

Is there any way to get a feed URL for specific sections of the Wikipedia main page (i.e., In the News)?

See Wikipedia:Syndication. As far as I can tell there's feeds for today's featured article and today's featured picture. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a portal

I've been looking at some of the articles that link to Roman (a rather detailed disambiguation page with lots of links), and its history. All of the articles that I have looked at so far (maybe ten, I know it's a small sample) have very general references to "the Romans". I believe that people will continue to write "the Romans..." and link to Roman without giving it a second thought, as they should be able to do. Therefore, I now think that one possible solution is that "Roman/s" could redirect to a portal on Ancient Rome, but no such portal exists as yet.

My question is, what requirements need to be met for the operation of a portal? Would it need a maintainer, or can it be set up so that no maintenance is necessary? Is there a proposal discussion process that should be followed before going ahead?

Portals are intended to be reader oriented and Ancient Rome sounds worthy of a portal to me. Most, though not all of the portals listed at Wikipedia:Wikiportal have maintainers associated with them, though WP:PORTAL suggests that they should be set up to be low maintenance. There doesn't seem to be a formal process to go through before creating a portal and instructions for creation can be found at Wikipedia:Wikiportal. --GraemeL ^(talk) 14:01, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Why does wikipedia break my sig now?

Why does the wiki break my sig now? It only started happening recently (sometime between Nov. 10 and 22 judging from my contribs). It should look like #1 (that's copy-pasted), but wikipedia is now auto-reformatting it to #2. I assume some software change is to blame, but how can I get the desired result back?

Lommer | ^talk 21:18, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Lommer | [[User talk:Lommer|talk]] 21:21, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:SIGHELP. Markup is no longer parsed within the default signature; you need to put your entire signature in the field and use "raw signatures". — Knowledge Seeker দ 21:38, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thanks for the quick reply. -User:Lommer | ^talk 21:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 28

How to search in textbox while Editing?

I realize there are external tools for this but I'm looking for a javascript implementation, whether a bookmarklet or something I can add to my monobook.js. There's a replace function on user scripts, perhaps there can be one for searching and highlighting or going to that place while editing. Gflores ^Talk 00:14, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know of one that'll take you directly to the word your searching for (I'd love to know of one too), but if you use Firefox and use "Edit/Find in this page..." (CTRL-F), then click "Highlight" on the Find toolbar, it will highlight the word you're looking for in bright yellow within the text box. You may have to scroll to find it, and occasionally I find that editing the word while it's highlighted is difficult for some reason, but you can just click the Highlight off temporarily. Hope that helps at least a little bit. — Catherine\^talk 01:23, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Good news, I've found an extension that does this exact thing (and only this) for Firefox here. Works wonderfully. Gflores ^Talk 02:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Definitions

There are some non-existent (red) links which seem to call more for definitions than articles, even brief ones (because there are good specialized links out there). I have a vague notion that there is a WP place for such items and that it is fact poor practice to make articles out of definitions? Is so, no? Can you point me to a how-to? Thanks, Halcatalyst 01:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're looking for Wikipedia is not a dictionary. However, depending on context, things that might seem only to require definitions can actually merit real articles. -- SCZenz 01:30, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

login timeouts

About 20 minutes after I log in, if I haven't physically communicated with WP, I get logged out. I might be in the middle of editing a page. (OK, I think slowly.) Is this the work of a watchdog on the WP servers, or is it some other part of my total system? I use Win XP. Is there a workaround? Thanks, Halcatalyst 01:32, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's nothing to do with Windows XP, because I use Windows XP and this doesn't happen. The answer is around there somewhere, I remember it: check the archives. Thelb⁴ 18:06, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

--- That's a good clue. But WP is so big the archives intimidate me. Are any search engines available to search WP only? Halcatalyst 18:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Printing problems at Crystal system entry

A Wikipedia user has sent an e-mail to the Help mailing list as follows:

In the "Crystal system entry", the last four trigonal point groups can't be printed, i;e., they are left off of a print out. They do show up just fine on the screen. I have looked at the HTML and I can not see what the problem is. I would be interested in knowing what the problem is as well as having it corrected.

I have had a look and cannot find the problem. If you can see what the problem is and can fix it, it would be greatly appreciated.

Capitalistroadster 02:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like a fairly common printing problem - web pages getting interpreted as being unusually wide by the browser and thus printed off to the side of the page. Perhaps he could try printing it from a different machine, or in a different browser, and see if that helps? I suspect it's the images in tables causing the problem, but I don't know how to deal with that... Shimgray | talk | 14:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Citing Wikipedia

How do you cite a page?

Usual answer: Go look at Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia!

New answer: click on "Cite this article" on the article you're looking at!

Ok, the developers have coded a new feature so we don't have to answer the age-old question. The new page is Special:Cite. However, I need some help to customize the page to give MLA, APA and other citation styles. Anyone knows what to do? Tito xd^(?!?) 03:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow...that's the niftyest thing I've seen since wrist PDAs. Makes me wish I needed to cite sources in such a fashion, just so I could use it. Kaz 02:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you are an administrator, edit MediaWiki:Cite text. If you aren't, then make your proposed changes on the talk page and a friendly adminsitrator will do it for you (I'll do it if nobody else has when I get back from the m:Wikimedia UK meeting in London). Thryduulf 07:49, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Um, yeah, I'm an admin, and I have in fact already changed it... I just asked here if someone wanted to help CatherineMunro and me. Thanks! Tito xd^(?!?) 01:20, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Who are authors for wikipedia

<no contents> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.117.106.114 (talk)

Most people asking this qustion really wanted to ask "how do you cite Wikipedia as a source, however, the literal answer is the thousands of people whose user identities appear in article histories and the, probably even larger number of people, like you, for whom only the IP address appears. --David Woolley 14:44, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

source cards for school project

What is the publishing company, city of publication and copyright date for the article "Military Tribunals in the USA"

You must be talking about a sub-heading in the article Military tribunal. There is no publishing company, city of publication, or copyright date for this or any article in Wikipedia. For general information on citing Wikipedia sources in school work or for any other purpose, see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Halcatalyst 04:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I would say that the publication company was the Wikipedia Foundation Inc. The foundation is based in St. Petersburg, Florida, and that (or possibly where the servers are, if different) is important, as certain coyright issues depend on it (e.g. some source material may still be in copyright in the UK, where a 70 years after death rule is applied). The copyright date is the last modified date that appears at the bottom of the article. This is also important, as it determines when the copyright in anonymous contributions expires (more precisely, that is detemined by the history entry for the specific anonymous contribution).

As noted in other recent replies, there are preferred ways of citing Wikipedia, although they all include the modified date from the article. The date is particularly important because articles frequently change (and it is the existence of different versions, that is more likely to be the reason for capturing the copyright date in this case). --David Woolley 13:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's true that for legal purposes there is an organization behind Wikipedia. But the Wikipedia Foundation is not a publisher, only a host. That said, your point about the last edit date is crucial for anyone citing WP. This is somethng that many people, not to mention students, would not know. To cite properly, the date the page was last edited as well as the date it was accessed must be included. The author will be anonymous and the title will be that given on the article page. The URL must of course be given. In most cases, this will be all that's needed. Halcatalyst 02:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There is now an easier way to find a citation for a Wikipedia article: go to Special:Cite and enter the title of the article, or click on "Cite this article" on the navigation bar on the left once you are at the article you need to cite. Tito xd^(?!?) 02:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

website author

I am doing a bibliography for a speech and I used your site as a source. Who do i put as the author?

Usually at the front; see proper citation guides here. Thanks! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 02:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. There's a "Cite this article" link on every page as well. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Woops, I wished I made that suggestion, but I used to rely on the Purdue site myself, so that is why I recommended it. No harm done. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 02:56, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's really very simple. No Wikipedia articles have authors as such. All are officially anonymous collaborations. So, for the author, use Anon. This is acceptable in any system of citation. Halcatalyst 02:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You can also use "Wikipedia contributors" as the author for your citations. See Special:Cite to obtain a citation for the page you want to cite. Tito xd^(?!?) 02:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

--- Special:Cite or "Cite this article" in the Toolbox sidebar of every article is a great resource. I'm glad to have found out about it. Halcatalyst 18:54, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Articles do have authors. It is one of the stated principles of the GFDL that it exists to ensure that authors of a document receive due credit. In particular, if you use Wikipedia content in a context that requires a copyright licence, the GFDL requires you to list all the authors of the article. --David Woolley 19:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hey

I created this template here for new people who'd be pretty pissed off when there recent article gets deleted. Any thoughts? Should it even stay? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 02:52, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I fear its lack of specificity will often make things worse. -- SCZenz 03:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 03:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apart from the fact, VFD was renamed AFD a while ago, I agree with the others, maybe use something similar to {{db}} and leave a space for the poster to fill in a reason. That would make it a lot more useful. Also, I don't think the welcome needs to be in the same template. There's enough newbies who already have been welcomed. I think those need to be separated. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Listen! Oyez! Oyez!

Vandal ova here: User:James of Wales. Put a template on already. Looks like the Wikipedia is Communism dude impersonating whoever the guy was who created this site, I have to remember his name. At any rate, delete him! εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 03:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me? -- Perfecto

03:21, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind, an admin has taken care of the problem. εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 03:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What? I did what? I'm innocent! I didn't do it!!! :P Tito xd^(?!?) 17:37, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wierd article

I ran across William D. Ferris while trying to fix the hockey dab page. I'm pretty sure there's something wrong with it, maybe WP:VAIN, but I really can't put my finger on it. Help from a more experienced user would be helpful, along with recommendations for next time. D-Rock 05:58, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It could be vanity, but more important (as WP:VAIN says) is what's in the article. It has a lot of information that is not notable or encyclopedaic, and could legitimately be cut down considerably. In fact, it may be that there is nothing that's notable enough in there at all, so you might consider AfD'ing it after looking more closely and some research (a goggle search/maybe). -- SCZenz 06:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The asteroid 10937 Ferris named after him is easily verifiable outside his website. I'm sure this will survive AfD. The list of comets and near-earth objects also prevent a merge. (I'm sure I've seen weirder articles.... though because I'm here more often.) -- Perfecto Canada 01:11, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

why does melting point determination must be finely powdered?

(No question)

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please see the instructions at the top of this page, so that you can effectively get help. This page is for questions about Wikipedia. Notinasnaid 13:10, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get wikipedia articles to appear in google searches?

eg, If I do a google search for my friends band called "juju space jazz", it doesn't come up, but if I do a search on "Simon Posford" (the producer) it comes up with "Simon Posford - Wikipedia" etc — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zangtubba (talk • contribs)

The reason for this is very simple - Wikipedia does not have an article on "Juju Space Jazz", but it does have one on Simon Posford. You could write and article on Juju Space Jazz by clicking the link, but you should only do so if they meet the crieria for inlcusion at WP:MUSIC, otherwise your article is likely to be deleted. Note that your article will not be found in a Google search until Googlebot indexes the page and it is incorporated into the search database. This usually takes a few days, but can take much longer than that. Thryduulf 17:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Micronations

Good Day

I have visited Wikipedia often and have read many extremely well written articles, however, today I stumbled into something quite confusing. I am reading up on Micronations, the reason being that I am aspiring to be granted political asylum by a certain country, but should it nor be granted I would like to consider alternatives. To me it is a vital issue, an issue that would affect my family and myself in a most serious manner. I ask for your serious consideration of my question(s)

My specific question centers around the entry about the dominion of Mechizedek. I read through the contents as in the Wikipedia entry, then noticed a section called "talk" clicked on it and entered into a discussion that, put simply, astounded me. I believe wholeheartedly in UNBIASSED facts, and thought that this was what Wikipedia was about, but after reading the entire thread (a few times over to understand the implications) I was forced to conclude that whoever was responsable (in this case rather unresponsable..my opinion) certainly was NOT looking for factual or even balanced entries. There seemed to be decided "camps", each with a very unforgiving and seperate agenda. Now, at the risk of dragging my question out. I shall just ask it straightforward.

In reference to the specific entry abdout the dominion of Mechizedek, why can there not be an independant review of the entire entry, by people that have a PROVEN ability to be unbiassed?

I would like to qualify my question further by equating my thoughts..

If certain individuals of a country commit "crimes"..I put this in inverted commas because, what is described as a crime in some countries would not neccesarilly be so in others...eg. drinking a alcoholic beverage in USA is legal(at the moment, but not in the past)...elsewhere it would be VERY illegal (at the moment, but not neccesarilly in the past) Thus, the impression that I get is that OPINION should be disregarded when FACTS are at stake. The facts should be balanced and given with impartiality.

Again with reference to the Mechizedek site, I found it absolutely bewildering to read through a series of claims, counter-claims and at the end of the day...absolutely no consensus and leaving me no other option but to revert to trusty old GOOGLE to try and find FACTS and decide for myself.

Please help me on this issue, I am not too familliar with the editing and administration of the wikipedia articles, but I would like to believe that someone would clear this queation up for me.

Kindest Regards immigrationissues2002 Caracas, Venezuela

Well, it's Wikipedia policy to present a neutral and objective (non-biased) point of view (see WP:NPOV). However, as far as I can see, this widely viewed as a totally moronic rule that no one follows. You may want to check Wikipedia:General disclaimer. While in my opinion Wikipedia is fairly obective and accurate - there are certain instances where biased articles can be found. It's one of the drawbacks of Wikipedia being the "free encyclopaedia". Izehar 19:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

At a quick glance over the article: The Dominion of Melchizedek does not "exist", at least not as a nation - it holds no territory, it is recognised by no governments. It is not a nation - it cannot grant you asylum. Nothing that describes itself as a micronation is a "real country" in the way that, say, Venezuela is, and many are little more than either personal amusements or attempts at fraud. Please bear this in mind.
The article itself is an attempt to conform to a "neutral point of view" - reflecting that there are those who insist that the Dominion exists, and that various countries have done things that might look like diplomatic recognition - but, you're right, is probably a bit wishy-washy. The key is, though, that the two camps are divided over the nature of the "FACTS", so an unbiased observer is going to decide one way or the other... and then by doing so they fall into one camp, meaning the other side won't accept the conclusion. Here we get an impasse. Shimgray | talk | 19:48, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Izehar and Shimgary for your comments. Could you perhaps tell me how I can contact the editor(s) of that specific entry. I think they need to get told a few things in no uncertain terms and be explained about the reasons why someone might want to read their entries. I won´t enter into their food fight, just explain in a nice way that what they write actually has consequinces far beyond an on-screen message. immigrationissues2002

You can contact them by leaving a message on the article's talk page at Talk:Dominion of Melchizedek. Izehar 20:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You can leave a message on Talk:Dominion of Melchizedek.

My guess is that the major problem with that article is that it starts off "...is a micronation..." To someone very familiar with the concept - which will include every author of the article - "micronation" automatically means "not a real country". However, to the casual reader, "micronation" can be interpreted - as I think you did - as being "a kind of country". When you know that a micronation isn't a country, the article seems a lot less vague; if you think it is a country, it's pretty bizzare.

The reason for this is that if you think it's a country, the claims and counterclaims seem to be disputing whether the country exists. Since a micronation exists as soon as someone claims it does, though, its existence isn't actually disputed in the article - it's whether it's what it claims to be that is disputed. Does that make sense? Shimgray | talk | 20:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

November 29

(Unheaded)

what kind of lawyer should i get for at fault cases?

Please read the notice at the top of the page. We request that you ask factual questions at the Reference desk. Deltabeignet 04:12, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Numbered list items with multiple paragraphs

Is this possible? What I want is

1. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.

Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
2. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

(except moreobviously as a list)

I tried this (standard wiki syntax):

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.

Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.

Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

obviously wrong. I tried a hack (inserting where I want a break, but leaving on the same line):

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat.
Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

Any suggestions? Thanks, pfctdayelise 05:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is a test.
This is also a test.

The syntax:

#This is a test.

#: 

#This is also a test.

→ Ξxtreme Unction {^yakł_blah} 00:54, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone else is interested, me and Extreme Unction have puzzled out a solution. Forget wikisyntax and use <ol> (ordered list) in combination with <br&;gt or tags.

eg.

<ol>
<li>
Item 1 blah blah blah
<p>
Item 1 is so important it needs two paragraphs 
<li>
Item 2 is also very important
<p>
So it has two pars as well
</ol>

-->

Item 1 blah blah blah
Item 1 is so important it needs two paragraphs
Item 2 is also very important
So it has two pars as well

You can also close your <li> tags if you want, it's better html I think but it works anyway. <ol> MUST be closed. pfctdayelise 02:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Preferred spelling?

Just wondering what spelling is preferred, American, or English (UK, Canada, etc), as in color or colour? Thanks!

Nevermind, forgot to look in the FAQ

How can I change my user name?

How can I change my user name? --Yochai Twitto 10:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Changing username. As a general tip, if you don't know how something works on Wikipedia, you can try typing "Wikipedia:Whatever you're trying to do" in the search bar - if we don't have a howto article with that exact title, there will probbaly be a redirect to the howto -- Ferkelparade π 10:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging Images

Hi I was wondering what tag is appropriate (if any) for scans of video games manuals. Also is the same tag appropriate if its taken from a pdf file found on the games disc? Thanks. Examples Image:Alterac-warcraft2-with-orc-symbol.jpg - User:UnlimitedAccess

{{copyvio}} or {{db}}. I would say that both cases would be copyright violations. --David Woolley 14:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How to remove rel=nofollow?

Hi,

I have my own copy of WikiMedia installed, and I'd like not to have rel=nofollow tag along with my external links. Whrer can I change the script settings to restrict placing this tag?

Thanks.

--> Already found: edit includes/Linker.php

function makeExternalLink( $url, $text, $escape = true, $linktype = ) { $style = $this->getExternalLinkAttributes( $url, $text, 'external ' . $linktype ); global $wgNoFollowLinks; if( $wgNoFollowLinks ) { $style .= 'rel="nofollow"';

Remove rel="nofollow" :)

Image Upload

Hey, guys. I'm a pretty regular article editor, but I've run into problems in the past with uploading images, so I'm looking for a few tips in general, and if it's OK to upload this picture which is a part of this article from vatican.va. Thanks, JHMM13 16:12, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt it's public domain. Vatican-produced material is covered by copyright, unlike in the US where it would be public domain. There is no explicit copyright notice, but I doubt one is needed. The image is of an artwork, suggesting that under Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. we would be allowed to reproduce it if the original was public domain - but we can't tell when it was painted (probably 1915-1930) or when the artist died, which is usually the key factor in European copyright laws (and the Vatican certainly has them - it's a signatory to Berne and the UCC). Shimgray | talk | 19:07, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tell it to me straight, Jonny Esquire. JHMM13 22:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The straight answer is "no... but I am not a lawyer". It's possible it's sort-of-free, at least good enough for our purposes, but we'd need more information to be sure. Sorry. Shimgray | talk | 14:31, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How to link event to city?

I was looking for information about the Treaty of Lausanne, but didn't know what it was called exactly, so I opened the Lausanne article, first. However, I didn't find a reference to the treaty there.

How should I add a link to the treaty to the Lausanne article? Of course, I could write something about it in the History section, and link to it in the "See also" section, but I wonder if there should also be a disambiguation remark at the top of the Lausanne article, since "Lausanne" could also refer to the Treaty of Lausanne, just like "Maastricht" could refer to the Maastricht Treaty. --Benne 16:44, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You could use the {{for}} tag. Basically you would just put {{for|the treaty of the same name|Treaty of Lausanne}} at the top of the Lausanne article. It would expand to:

Dismas|^(talk) 20:51, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Help

How do i find out the information that you put on a bibliography card?

On the side of every article, under the heading Toolbox, there is a Cite this article link. Clicking that will give you seven forms for citing a Wikipedia article. For more information see Citing Wikipedia. Canderson7 20:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Picture borders

How do I put a border on a picture? Izehar 21:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{border}}, IIRC.

ナイトスタリオン ✉ 21:32, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Or use [[Image:imagename.jpeg|frame|Your caption goes here]], as explained at Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. - IMSoP 23:58, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

licensing?

HI, if I have made a mistake in the licensing of a photo how do I correct it? and if I took the Photo and release all right would (GFDL-self) be the correct licensing? --LPW 21:50, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{GFDL-self}} would be valid and acceptable to Wikipedia. It doesn't release all rights. Only you or your lawyer can say whether it is acceptable to you. IANAL TINLA. --David Woolley 22:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:ICT#For_image_creators for a list of licenses you could use that would be acceptable to WP. Also, please consider uploading to Commons instead. This will make your image available for use by all wikimedia projects, not just the English 'pedia. pfctdayelise 23:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia as a Press Source for an offline publication

I'm sorry if this is obvious or answered in some FAQ or guidline page that I missed but I've been trying to put in a template on the Oxford Street talk page that notes that the article was used as a press source in Time Out London this week. I'm pretty useless at filling out templates as it is but thought I'd give it a go. Problematically, I couldn't seem to find one that allows me to skip putting in a URL or website. There is a Time Out London website, but they don't have the article on there. I've put it down on the Wikipedia as a press source listings anyway so someone might put it in for me but it would be nice to find out how it's done for the future. Thanks in advance. Jellypuzzle 22:16, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As predicted, it's been done for me on Talk:Oxford_Street. I suppose I can just copy what they've done now. Jellypuzzle 23:17, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Infoboxes

When editing articles about fictional objects, I frequently use tables based on Infoboxes (though not the actual box itself) to summarise the information. See either the box on this page: Springfield (The Simpsons), or a couple of (hypothetical) examples on the user page (User:Smurrayinchester/Infoboxes). But, I just realised that this could potentially be confusing to some users, making a fictional thing seem 'real', even just briefly, and am no longer sure whether I should keep them. Should I? smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 22:28, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aristotle said fiction$ was truer than history because it opens up mind and experience to more possibilities. I agree, so I applaud what you're doing. Analysis and information about human creations is just fine. Halcatalyst 22:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

$ Actually, he said "poetry." But don't worry, because per Wallace Stevens poetry is the supreme fiction. Halcatalyst 22:46, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! You've cleared my conscience! smurrayinchester^{(User), (Talk)} 10:38, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Portals

Okay, I'm really confused here. What is the difference between a category and a portal? If it's layout then how come the links on the main page (culture, geography, etc.) point to categories rather than portals, even though they have the same layout as a portal?

Also, where can I find a comprehensive list of portals? I've tagged Category:Wikiportals, Category:Portals, and even Wikipedia:Portal, because I found them confusing, and, frankly, a mess. Category:Wikiportals gives me links to several portals, but also "subcategories" which are just the category links from the main page. Category:Portals gives me an alphabetical listing, but when I click a letter, just shows me a list of various categories, and no portals. Wikipedia:Portal has 2 lists, which are inconsistent, and I suspect neither is complete. Some portals listed as complete are red, and yet some work when I click them on the other list.

Can anyone explain this more clearly for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.125.142 (talk)

A Category is a group of articles with similar aspects; the large ones are managed by WikiProjects. A Portal is the "main page" of the Project (like the cover of a book). A list of Portals can be found at Wikipedia:Portal#All existing Wikiportals. Unfortunatly, there is not much consistency and Portals are created on whims. Izehar 23:14, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not surprised you are confused. Consider Category:Cricket. They have transcluded the Portal onto the category page.--Commander Keane 05:54, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical Sections

I'm working on this article, and it seems obvious to me that it would be better if the contents list went crossways rather than downwards because the sections are A, B, C etc.

Is there a straightforward way of achieving that? I realise I could go:

A | B | C

...and so on, but that seems a bit of a palaver. Besides, even then I wouldn't know how to supress the automatic contents list.AndyJones 23:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Try using the template {{TOC}}. pfctdayelise 23:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{compactTOC}} also works nicely, I think. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 23:53, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

__NOTOC__ disables the generation of the table of contents.

November 30

What template made this ->

Sunday

1

June

00:55 UTC

I'm curious. -- Perfecto Canada 00:53, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you see it? You might figure out who added it and ask them. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Plagarism

While doing some research about Expedition Robinson, the European version of North America's Survivor, I noticed that second paragraph from the Overview section of the Expedition Robinson article is plagarized from the third paragraph on this website [2]. I'm not sure how to go about reporting plagarism so someone can clean it up, but I am not familiar enough with the European version of the game to correct this. The best I could do is reword it. How should this be taken care of? Jtrost 00:57, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reporting a possible copyright violation. This isn't actually a case of plagarism though. Answers.com is one of many sites that mirrors Wikipedia content. It is copying from us, not the other way around. This is allowed however as long as it notes where the information came from. If you spot another copyright violoation in the future, you can follow the directions at Wikipedia:Copyright problems to deal with the issue. Canderson7 01:20, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't look at the copyright notice. Jtrost 01:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Only, it seems the article has undergone some major edits since Answers.com last took a capture of its content. jnothman ^talk 02:21, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Category link is unreliable

Hi, The other day I added this category, [[Category:Historical pederastic relationships]] to the article on George Gordon Byron, 6th Baron Byron and got a redlink that leads to a page claiming that "Wikipedia does not yet have a Category page called Historical pederastic relationships." However, the same category link leading from Marsilio Ficino works perfectly well and leads to the correct category page for this very category. Can you help fix this problem? Haiduc 01:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That is very odd. I compared the two category links and saw no difference, but by copying the text of the working link and replacing the text of the one that didn't work, I somehow fixed the problem. Here's the diff: [3]. Canderson7 01:41, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The broken revision includes a control character called "PDF" shown after the category name. You probably inserted it by accident, Haiduc. The character shows when editing the broken revision in Opera and does not work in Firefox, which is why Canderson seems to be confused as to how he changed the same thing into the same thing.] jnothman ^talk 02:29, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you both, I could tell that there was something strange there but as I do use Firefox. . . Haiduc 02:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying, jnothman. Canderson7 02:47, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have just realised what the "PDF" character may have been doing there. Someone else fixed the same in anther article, where Unicode control character "LRE" preceded the text, and "PDF" followed. [4] indicates that LRE is "Left to write embedding", indicating that the following text is to be left-to-right (like English), whereas PDF ends such a marked passage to "pop directional formatting". Do you use any Hebrew or Arabic, Haiduc? jnothman ^talk 02:49, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's more on this at Wikipedia:Village pump (assistance)#Design changes? Disappearing ".7C" signs in category sections when using Safari. The mediawiki software was changed fairly recently to include these characters when displaying the list of categories. My guess is Haiduc yanked a category from a displayed list (and the yank included the invisible bi-di indicators) and when pasting it in another article included the invisible characters without realizing it. I suspect the developers might be interested in this. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

paid

do i get paid if i constantly supply wikipedia with information and various articles that are of public interest?

Short answer: no. Long answer: Wikipedia is run entirely by volunteers and funded entirely by donations, so there aren't any paid positions, except for Chief Technical Officer. Tito xd^(?!?) 01:45, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, there is nothing preventing you from getting paid, but there is nothing requiring you to get paid either. I suppose if you're a really good editor, Jimbo Wales might send you a small sum of money as thanks, but it would be entirely a humanitarian gesture and not to be taken as any kind of official salary. If you really want to be employed by the company that owns Wikipedia, you could try asking Jimbo Wales directly. I can't speak for him. — JIP | Talk 15:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Image problem

I've recently nominated a few pictures on Ifd, because they are in violation of the original owner's copyright. It clearly states it cannot be used without prior permission by the webmaster. I have yet to see this proof. In addition, I've attempted to use one of the photos, and recieved this response, from the very same user that defended his actions. A couple of minutes ago, I came across Copyright Violations, and saw that I could nominate for immediate deletion.

Any help? What should I do? Thanks in advance. Pacific Coast Highway|^{Spam me!} 00:55, 1 June 2025 UTC [refresh]

The image should either be listed at WP:CP (not ifd), or simply tagged following the instructions in the orange box at WP:CP. If properly tagged any admin going for deleting speedies will find it and it will disappear quickly. — Sverdrup 11:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The guy even blanked the ifd template on one of them. Pacific Coast Highway 01:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merging two articles

I posted comments on Talk:Ushabti, but I'm afraid my comments may not be seen if I just leave them there. It seems to me that the Ushabti article should either be deleted or merged/redirected into the Shabti article. The trouble is that I'm not sure how to proceed. I tried looking through the help pages, but it's hard to find the information I need in the limited time I have (my lunch break at work). Could someone tell me what I need to do, or do it for me in a way that will allow me to see how it was done? I see this sort of thing occasionally and am never sure what to do about it. Unfortunately, I'm rarely able to spend more than a few minutes at a time helping out with Wikipedia, so I tend to look for projects I can complete quickly. --CKA3KA (Skazka) 20:46, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

template

I created a template to write categories without having to type 'category' (I always spell it 'cateogyr' because of typos) and on the first page I used it, the template didn't work. Why didn't it work? Is it because of subst? Maybe that I used subst: and User: together? It just appeared on the screen as {{subst:User:Thelb4/cat|British record producers|Parsons, Alan}}. Thelb⁴ 21:04, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I tried again, it worked now.--Patrick 01:42, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it be easier to just use the preview button and correct your typo before saving. This template is so much longer, I'd make tons more mistakes when using it than the regular code. - 131.211.210.16 09:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I realised that and will not use it again, but I'm curious as to why it just appeared like that. Thelb⁴ 19:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 1

wikipedia

What does wikipedia mean?

Wikipedia is a papier-mâché word formed out of wiki (i.e. a group of Web pages that allows users to add content) and -pedia (from encyclopaedia). In other words, it means the free encyclopedia; free meaning open for anyone to edit. Izehar 00:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's an ancient Celtic word that roughly translates to "look up the corresponding article" :P -- Ferkelparade π 00:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

cascading William F. Gibsons, redirects & disambigs

There currently are 4 William F. Gibson pages, at least:

1) redirect William F. Gibson => redirect William Ford Gibson

(fixed) William F. Gibson => redirects to William Gibson (novelist)

2) redirect William Ford Gibson => article William Ford Gibson (writer)

(fixed) William Ford Gibson => redirects to William Gibson (novelist)

3) disambiguation William Gibson

(OK) William Gibson => disambig page

4) article William Ford Gibson (writer)

(OK) Doesn't exist.

How do I set it up so that a search on William F. Gibson gets straight to 4) article William Ford Gibson (writer), without having to go through intermediary pages such as 2) and 3) ?

--Kessler 00:22, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Things ^ up there do look a bit confusing however, the main article you that want to go "straight to", William Ford Gibson (writer), doesn't exist. Before someone fixes the redirects problem, are you satisfied with the existing article title William Gibson (novelist)? --hydnjo talk 01:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oops yes I didn't check my link: I was referring to William Gibson (novelist). And altho I haven't read that article in detail it looks OK to me: my concern right now is with the redirecting -- I'd like my William F. Gibson search to get to that article direct. --Kessler 01:28, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK now ~~(that part anyway)~~. --hydnjo talk 01:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Identifying New Articles I have created

I can easily get a list of all my contributions, but these don't identify which of them was a new article. I haven't created many, but there are some. Where do I find this info? JackofOz 01:06, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is this a hard question, or am I not being clear? I want a list of all the new articles that I have ever created. How do I find it? JackofOz 09:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's a hard question. I don't think you could do it easily without an SQL query (and then I'm not sure how easy it would be...), which could be done either through a developer or by adding a new special page to the next version of MediaWiki... I may be wrong, though. jnothman ^talk 10:12, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. This is very odd. They're all listed on "My contributions", just not identified as new. Minor edits are still marked m, so how come new articles are not marked N, as they are on Recent Changes or my Watchlist? It just seems so intuitively obvious to me that it should be that way, that, not being an IT person, I don't understand why it isn't. JackofOz 12:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I am something of an IT person and I also can't see why Wikipedia can't store information about which contributions are new article creations and which are merely edits. Wikipedia already saves information about the contribution's date and its user in some database table, it shouldn't be too much difficulty to use an additional column, or a flag bit in some other column, to store whether the contribution created the article or edited it. Of course this would mean changes to the MediaWiki software, but it shouldn't be too hard for the developers to implement. However getting it done retroactively seems too much to hope for, as then the whole database would have to be queried thoroughly, which could take days, possibly even weeks. — JIP | Talk 15:14, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn't find a bug related to this, so I filed a new one at Bugzilla; see Bug 4150. — Catherine\^talk 01:28, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia for Windows/Linux?

I doubt this is the place to ask, but I dunno where one should:

Might someone point me at a link for installing the Wikipedia's data on one's machine and setting it up to be accessed via web server? In other words, something like "Download the SQL export, import it into MySQL, then download any of these three software packages: X (for PERL), Y (for php), and X (Java), then plug in the corresponding front end code, found (here), using any web server software which supports CGI-BIN."

Something like that. Pretty please. 209.33.24.118 02:57, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What's an actual link for instructions to dump and import the data, and a link to mediawiki? Kaz 03:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The pages you want are:

http://www.mediawiki.org - MediaWiki project page
Wikipedia:Database download
maybe meta:MediaWiki will also help

-- jnothman ^talk 04:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

UltraMegaThanks! Kaz 06:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Random Logouts

I AM SO EFFING SICK OF BEING RANDOMLY LOGGED OUT! The above was (as that ip always is) me. Kaz 03:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Click "Remember me" (ie cookies) You'll need a database dump and import, and a mediawiki installation. Not that hard. Wikibofh 03:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I always have Remember Me clicked, and have cookies fully allowed on my machine as well. This is a problem which has grown gradually over the last year or two...I used to stay logged in for weeks or months, then sometimes it would only be days or weeks before a random logout, then it was hours or days, now it's every few hours, occasionally it's just minutes apart. Kaz 17:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Go to My preferences and see if you have remember across sessions checked. Until I checked that button I had the same problem--Dakota ^t ^e 19:48, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Server locations

Where is Wikipedia run? It is strange to see that the last time a page was edited was tomorrow morning.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.119.44.82 (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

All times are UTC. where wiki is doesn't matter. Wikibofh 03:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia servers are located in Tampa, Florida, Paris, Amsterdam and Seoul. The time you see at the bottom of the page is UTC. Tito xd^{(?!? - did you read this?)} 03:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

help please?

what is the edition of wikipedia?

Maybe Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia would help? -- SCZenz 03:53, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My "test" has been removed?

"This message is regarding the page Opium. Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. Thanks.

Sycthos 04:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)"

Why thank you Sycthos, bot or mod, comparable as though they may be. I feel all welcome now. I guess adding Edgar Allan Poe to the list of famous opium users is stubid.

More like a complaint than a question, but couldn't find a complaint section, which annoys me further. Pssh, copyleft people and mistakes? Get out of here.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.160.181.90 (talk) 05:40, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The complaints section is Wikipedia:General complaints. You could also have left a message on User_talk:Sycthos to ask about the message. He (an ordinary editor, like you) may have just made a mistake. I'll look more and then tell you what I think happened. -- SCZenz 06:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

After looking, I am not sure if you edit was right for the article or not, but it surely wasn't vandalism or a newbie test. I'll leave Sycthos a message asking him to be more careful. I'm sorry about the mixup, and I hope very much that you continue to edit Wikipedia. -- SCZenz 06:06, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did you provide a source of the information, when you made that addition? - 131.211.210.16 09:10, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the mishap. I did not thoroughly research Edgar Allen Poe before reverting and thought this was not a good-faith edit. Please re-do the addition to Opium. Also, please note that the notice was based on a template and the exact wording may not be accurate. Again, sorry about the issue. Sycthos 22:34, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm having a hard time adding an image

I'm having an incredibly tough time adding a simple Temple University logo to my Temple football page. I just keep getting that box to ask me to fill out the information and when i do that the logo doesn't show up in any context but a word file. As far as copywright because it's a generic logo, it's considered "fair use" so that shouldn't be a problem. A similar example is listed on the Villanova University page with its logo. Thanks for any help you can give me. Mike

If you've already uploaded the image to Wikipedia servers here, then follow the Wikipedia:Picture tutorial to show it on a page. Gflores ^Talk 06:23, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Be sure that if you claim "fair use" you know what it means. It is a specific legal term, meaning you are breaking copyright in a way that's allowed; you must give credit to the copyright holder and a valid reason for the claim of fair use. Notinasnaid 08:50, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And don't forget to add a source. - 131.211.210.16 09:11, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Seleucia disambiguation

I was just passing this page, and it seemed ripe for a bit of editting, as the part I wanted turned out to be the last sentence. I thought: "aha, this really is a geo disambiguation page!" But after I started to work on it, I discovered that the several paragraphs had actually been separate pages, and are now combined (having redirects from them) -- no sections, it was all one big amalgam (so I made them sections now for clarity). What's the procedure for "undoing" the consolidation? It turns out there are nearly 100 links to this page, so not for the faint-hearted! I've got no vested interest in the content. (Given directions, though, I'll gladly do the work.) William Allen Simpson 07:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as long as the redirect pages weren't AFD'd with a result of merge (and it doesn't seem they were), I think you can just copy-and-paste the content to the various articles you think it should be in (noting where it came from, for GFDL purposes). However, you'd then have to make sure that all the existing links were to the relevant article. It is a lot of work, and the way it is now probably isn't the end of the world. In any case, you should wait for more comments in case I haven't thought of something. -- SCZenz 09:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! No more comments were posted. Followed the plan, am about 1/3 way done with the links. Some of the ecclesiastical links are not clear (and already have unknown links to a Council at Seleucia), so somebody more familiar should update them as found. William Allen Simpson 00:25, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We have an illegal immigrant!

Re: Parellada. This article is part of the English wikipedia, yet it's written in (95% sure of this) Spanish. Should the article be deleted, translated or moved? It c ertainly needs copyediting and wikifying... but there's not much this poor old monoglot can do right now. Should I be posting this message somewhere else? Is Articles Requiring Attention just for important articles, for example? *Satis 11:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The topic of the article *was* a Spanish family name (non-notable, only person with that name mentioned was some backwards village mayor in the 17^th century); Parellada is, however, also a type of grape, so I wrote some basic information about that and made it a {{wine-stub}}.

ナイトスタリオン ✉ 12:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Were the article more notable and longer, but nonetheless in a language other than English, it may be virtuous to list it on Wikipedia:Requests for translation. jnothman ^talk 12:22, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Random Table Error

On loading my user page, the page normally appears as two tables set out side-by-side like columns (as it should). However, about 1 in 4 four times when loading the page, the tables stack on top of each other instead of side by side. The error normally fixes after refresh, but oddly, the error only occurs in Firefox, not Internet Explorer! Is it a fault with the browser, or the table layout? smurrayinchester^{(User), (Ho Ho Ho!)} 15:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps update to Firefox 1.5, if you haven't already and see if it fixes it? Gflores ^Talk 20:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox?

Hiya, I'm a college professor, and I encourage my students to be critical thinkers regarding Wikipedia and the internet as I think Wikipedia and the internet have similar strengths and weaknesses. As such, I have changed a page in a crazy way (and then immediately change it back).

I got a message to do this in the sandbox, but have since been unable to find said sandbox--can anyone point me in the correct direction? Can I do it without my students realizing it is "fake"? I really want them to think critically about what they read and putting that Abe Lincoln was the son of teenage mutant ninja turtles and seeing that live on the screen (which we immediately change and talk about ethical communication) has gotten the point across more clearly than anything else I've tried. Thanks!

Technically, one of the rules of Wikipedia is 'Do not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point'. However if you are looking for the sandbox, it is here: WP:Sandbox. It won't just contain your information though; if you want to do that you could try starting a user account (Click 'Create user account') at the top of the screen, and then use your User Page for that sort of thing. smurrayinchester^{(User), (Ho Ho Ho!)} 16:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean one of these messages:

Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Thanks.

Please stop adding nonsense to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.

They are the first and second level vandalism warnings. The first may be skipped if the change to the article looks to have been deliberate disruption, rather than a naive user experimenting. After the third one, your account, or failing that, your IP address becomes eligible for progressively longer blocks on editing. After the fourth you become eligible for listing as a known vandal. In principle this could progress up to permanent banning of the whole sub-network from which you are operating, and/or contacting the abuse department of your service provider. Most people get bored before then. --David Woolley 18:05, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think the point that you are making is an excellent one. All too often people complain at the editability of Wikipedia, as if that makes it useless, and the rest of the internet doesn't mirror the same faults (only larger). And it ignores the point that if it wasn't editable, it wouldn't exist. But, on the other hand the aim of Wikipedia is to provide an ever improving encyclopedia, not to be an experiment in social anarchy. (There are such experiments: Wikipedia is only one of many wikis). And there are two problems with using this method. One is that many people here find the addition of bad information, even temporarily, deeply offensive. It happens all the time, but that doesn't make it better. Second, people resent the extra time they may have to spend monitoring the changes that might arise from your lessons (yes, they will check the changes, and then examine the other changes you have done when they find you are adding nonsense, to make sure other articles aren't damaged): time which might be spent in improving articles rather than fire fighting. Hence, you will find Wikipedia is not without its defences, and you do invite increasingly severe blocks to your editing, as described above. Getting your students to write an essay on what they think will be the short, medium and long term effects of Wikipedia might be a good way to get them to think, once they understand something of how it works. Notinasnaid 20:17, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to show the risks in using Wikipedia, you can use purely passive methods. Just use the article history, and, in particular, you can use the compare versions options to create a URL that shows exactly what changes a vandal made, or to show the changes made during an edit war. (Please don't use this on edits that created or removed a copyright violation.)

Any high profile article (e.g. one that has been featured) will show lots of vandalism that you can select from, and almost any controversial article will show edit wars. --David Woolley 23:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Tables

I am in no way code-literate (other than what i've picked up through copying, pasting, and changing the text contained therein) as far as tables go, so if someone could take a look at Apollo Sunshine (album) and tell me why the date "2003" under "Apollo Sunshine Chronology" is bold, i'd really like that. a whole lot. jfg284 ^{you were saying?} 20:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's not bold to me, nor should it be. Gflores ^Talk 20:46, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

that's what i thought, too. but on two of my browsers, it reads with the 2003 as bold but the 2005 as normal. and it was frustrating the hell out of me. oh well.jfg284 ^{you were saying?} 20:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

At first I thought you were crazy and then I viewed it in IE and it was bold! :) I fixed it now. The new album infobox template should prevent these problems from happening again. Thanks Jfg284. Gflores ^Talk 21:06, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

excellent. thanks a bunch.jfg284 ^{you were saying?} 21:12, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know whether you saw what was done to fix the problem, but what had happened was you opened a cell with ! instead of |. The difference between these is that | defines a normal "table data" cell, where as ! defines a "table header" cell. In an ordinary table, the latter would usually be found across the top or down the left to indicate that the cell contained a heading and not data, so this cell is often formatted bold. See Help:Table.

And Gflores, although I thought that was the case, I didn't know where to find the correct difference in the history because you didn't use an edit summary. Please do. With every edit. (I notice you have generally used none.)

-- jnothman ^talk 21:49, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Mental Imagery Articles

Hello,

I am a student at Harvard College, a research aide in the Stephen M. Kosslyn Neuropsychology Lab, and the creator of the user "KosslynLab".

This summer, in my capacity as an employee of the Kosslyn Lab, I prepared and posted a cluster of articles about Mental Imagery, Motor Imagery, Visual Imagery, and Auditory Imagery. The articles were adapted from a Nature article by Kosslyn, Thompson, and Ganis, all of whom gave me permission to post the content on wikipedia. I also received permission via email from Nature to post the content.

I was dismayed to find that the articles that I posted were recently deleted. Users worried about copyright violations and that the content constituted "original research". I apologize if I violated any wiki regulations - I am a new user and I certainly have much to learn about the wiki world. However, since I do have permission to post this content from all parties involved, it is a shame that the world no longer has access to it.

I would like to repost the articles in a form acceptable to the wiki community. Can you give me pointers about how I might do so?

Thanks,

KosslynLab

Hello, KosslynLab.

The only article you have edited is Auditory imagery. At the time of your last edit, the page looked like this. The page is original research (see also Original research), and Wikipedia only allows actual facts.
Don't worry about not realising that this is not the wiki-way; you can still contribute to that article with actual facts, as you seem to know a lot on the subject.
If the pages are on the Internet, you may link to them an External links section (see Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Links and URL for the how-to).

Thelb⁴ 20:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... I certainly made all four pages that I mentioned. See here.

If there was a page that you created that has been deleted (but it meets that standards for inclusion, ie it's not orgianl research) you can ask an admin to restore the article. Maybe you were not logged in when you made those other pages, so they don't show up in your contributions.--Commander Keane 21:15, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edits to deleted articles don't show up in your contributions (logged in or not). To request a review of the deletion, please see Wikipedia:Undeletion policy. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How does each traditon define the purpose of baptism

This isn't an appropriate question for the helpdesk. Please ask at the Reference Desk and be more specific. jnothman ^talk 21:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

HTML to Wiki

Is there a HTML to Wiki translator anywhere? --Member 23:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Tools/Editing tools#From HTML. jnothman ^talk 23:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

December 2

Lists: columns and numbered bullet points

Is there an easy way to split a list into two (or more) distinct columns? I have been editing the planemo article and the list is far too long to go down one side of the screen.

Additionally, is there any way to maintain the number bullet points down a list when one of the numbered points is then broken down into further bullets? e.g.

Mercury
Venus
Earth

Luna

Mars

Here "Mars" is given the number 1, and not 4 as it should be.

You have a problem in your markup: the line with Luna starts with : which indicates indentation, rather than the nesting of a list. The correct markup is:

#Mercury
#Venus
#Earth
#*Luna
#Mars

As regards your second question, there is a description of what to do at Help:List#Multi-column numbered lists. Basically you need to use two concepts:

HTML lists which start at a given number, eg:

<ol start="111"><li>a
<li>b</ol>

gives:

a
b

Emulating columns with a table (see example at linked page).

-- jnothman ^talk 01:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Old version a .jpg and new verison a .gif

I made a smaller (in kb) and easyer to see version of Image:Communistpartyrunstates.jpg (link). The problem is that if i try to upload a new version, the fact that the current is a .jpg and the new is a .gif conflicts, so is there any way to update it or do i have to upload the new then delete the current one. --ThrashedParanoid 03:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As the old image gave you the idea to upload this one, I think it would be a GFDL violation to delete the old version. Can't you just upload your gif and tell the uploader to put it at Image:Communistpartyrunstates.jpg? - Mgm|^(talk) 05:55, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This is not as simple as it seems as the JPG version claims to be based on a PNG version, and has no other copyright information and the PNG version has been deleted, so the PNG version now has an invalid copyright status. I cannot find the deletion debate record for the PNG version. JPG is certainly the wrong format. PNG is possibly better than GIF except for some limits on browser support.

Also the link for the proposed new version doesn't lead to an image. If that is just a simple oonversion to GIF, it shouldn't be used to replace the existing higher resolution image. However it was created, it will need valid copyright status information for the underlying map. --David Woolley 11:18, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The old JPEG says it will be deleted very soon unless its copyright status is cleared up. So your GIF must be deleted too, unless you can solve this. Notinasnaid 11:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I added the {{nolicense}} flag when I discovered that the licence trail was broken. There are, however, two ways in which the new map could be based on it: one is to manipulate the actual image, in which case there is a copyright dependency, and the other is to use the facts that it conveys, in which case the problem is that this image also needs to be flagged with {{unreferenced}} (note that you are not allowed to use Wikipedia items as sources in this second context).

Without more information about the PNG version, I don't know how the JPG version was derived. Unless the PNG was deleted for copyright violation, it may be necessary to re-instate it to maintain a complete edit history. --David Woolley 12:29, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK. The talk page for the image gives a good URL for the GIF version. The GIF version does have a copyright problem because it is derived from something else that has a copyright problem. The cleanup of the image has also made the country boundaries uneven. I think you need to start from first principles and re-source the data about the countries and the obtain a base map with known, and usable, copyright status. The captioning is also misleading in that it seems to imply that the states are currently communist. --David Woolley 13:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edit count

I notice a lot of people 'advertise' their edit count. How is this statistic obtained? can someone tell me how I can find out mine (for my own vanity/interesting). novacatz 04:02, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The simplest method is Kate's tool. Annoyingly, this is currently unavailable, and you have to count your edits manually. That is, go to your contributions page, view 500 edits, and find how many pages you can get through, 500 at a time. Then cut down to 100 at a time, etc, until you have a close count. jnothman ^talk 04:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WP Search Engines

Are any search engines available to search WP only? Halcatalyst 05:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Google for one. If you put "site:en.wikipedia.org" (without the quotes) into the search field along with the words that you're searching for, Google will only return results that are in the English Wikipedia. Dismas|^(talk) 05:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's also WikiWax which I can recommend. - Mgm|^(talk) 05:53, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Clusty has a special Wikipedia "tab". - IMSoP 23:43, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A9 also has a "Wikipedia" check box; checking two boxes will display results side by side. — Catherine\^talk 01:40, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

LuMriX is similar to WikiWax.

You can also add Wikipedia to your Firefox search bar; see http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/central/

monobook.js

How do I edit my monobook.js? When I go to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bmdavll/monobook.js" I get an error message: The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "User:Bmdavll/monobook.js". Trying to edit that brings me to a new page. Do I need to create it first? Bmdavll 06:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It's a strange error message, but yes, just edit the page. Maybe see Help:User style and User Scripts project. What's important is what you see at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bmdavll/monobook.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&dontcountme=s as this is what is loaded by the browser. jnothman ^talk 06:50, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you need to create it first if you haven't created one before (I'm not sure how strange the error message is), just like creating a user page, talk page, and other pages in your user space. Of course, aside from you, only administrators may create/edit your monobook.js file. So if you haven't created one, it's extremely unlikely anyone has already created one for you without telling you, so yes, you should go ahead and create it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:11, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Of course it didn't find the page. If it doesn't exist yet, there's nothing to find. - 131.211.210.14 09:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a note to the error message (MediaWiki:Missingarticle) about this, so it now reads:

The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "$1".
This might be because no page has yet been created with this name, in which case you can start it by clicking the "edit this page" link.
If it is a recently changed page, trying again in a minute or two will usually work. Alternatively, you may have followed an outdated diff or history link to a page that has been deleted.
If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please report this using the procedure given at Wikipedia:Bug_reports, making note of the URL.

Thryduulf 12:44, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Can't login or register

Whwn I try to log in or register it tells me I must have cookies enabled which they are. I am in Malaysia since early November and just today got internet access which might be the reason but I can't see why it would be. There are testy messages on the talk page of this ip and I sure would like to distance myself from them because they are not mine. I am a registered user with over 800 edits and I have never vandalised. Any user here got any advice. I would appreciate any input. thank you.--219.93.174.106 09:08, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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MediaWiki:Loginend has been moved to MediaWiki:Signupend because of some redesign, but in the process the username instructions disappeared of the login screen. Can someone fill me in about what happened in this redesign and why the mover blanked it after moving?

Always Quickly Booted After Signing In, Even Though Cookies Allowed

I have been using Wikipedia for some time, but only recently created an account. After doing so, I immediately ran into a confusing problem. My browser, Internet Explorer to be exact, is set to allow cookies in most cases and I even added wikipedia.org to my list of "Always Allowed" domains. I tried setting by browser privacy settings to entirely eliminate restrictions on cookies, yet still experienced the same problem. When I log in, everything appears in order and it says "Login Successful." However, after I click on a link or run a search only once, occasionally twice, the buttons in the top right corner are replaced by "Sign in / create account." Additionally, when I do appear to be logged in and I attempt to edit my preferences, add a site to my watchlist, or perform any action related to my account, I get a message stating that I "must be logged in to do that." No matter how many times I try logging in and repeating the process, I always get the same result. What is wrong and how can I fix this?

Did you select: "remember my password"? - Mgm|^(talk) 11:16, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I always check the "remember me" box when I log in and I appear to be signed in when I initially access the home page. I tried accessing Wikipedia on the same computer, but using Mozilla Firefox instead of Internet Explorer - this had no effect.

Force link to open in new window

Anyone know how to do this pleae ? In my wiki I have several external links, and the back button on the navigator doesn't always work. I know the user can force a new window (eg using IE via a right-click, open in new window) but I would like to make this automatic. Many thanks in advance Hilary

Do you mean you want to change how links work in a Wikipedia article? I don't think that would be appreciated. Notinasnaid 14:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No, I agree that wouldn't be good practise. Actually this is a problem on a wiki I've done for work purposes so style is under my control

Very common question, this one; it is, therefore, on the MediaWiki FAQ, which points you to meta:Opening external links in a new window. Note that this isn't really the right place to ask this - see http://mediawiki.org for where to find help with MediaWiki. Also note that whenever this has come up on the development mailing lists, people have pointed out fairly forcefully that you shouldn't really force such behaviour on your users; they can right-click and do it themselves... - IMSoP 23:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Targets in Articles

Is it possible to place a target between Headers in articles? If so, how?

Many thanks,

Yesselman 14:54, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "target"? — JIP | Talk 15:05, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What he means is <a name="fred"> in old HTML dialects, and the same with id in modern ones, so that you can then have [[#fred]] as on on page link to it or [[Article#fred]], as an off page one, but without having ====fred====, or any other heading like display of fred.

He shouldn't be trying this on Wikipedia because it will confuse other editors, especially if he clashes with a heading added later, and because it will represent information that is lost when the article is printed.--David Woolley 17:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Section headers are can be targetted, but since such links aren't updated as moved articles are people are discouraged to link to such a header and are recommended to just link to the main article instead. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:35, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with all the caveats already stated about why it might not be a good idea, but if you do want to do it, I believe you can use <div id="foo">...</div> to do this. Just beware of using the same ID more than once - like when someone put such a tag in a template which was used multiple times on one page... - IMSoP 19:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to view deleted edits

I recently deleted a vandalism redirect for the second time. However, when I visit the deleted redirect, it merely shows "View or restore 2 deleted edits?" without making it into a hyperlink. Thus I am unable to actually view those edits, even though I am an admin. Viewing deleted edits of other pages works fine. Here is the link to the deleted redirect: [5]. What is the reason for this? — JIP | Talk 15:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure, but I have a sneaking suspicion devs have removed it entirely from the database, so we can't view any of it. - Mgm|^(talk) 16:39, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I came looking for help and clicked on your link and I saw the page big bold many worded article name. Now how did I do that, shouldn't been able to. Everything here is schized today.--Che Perez 22:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Wait, you saw the title, or the article itself? Tito xd^{(?!? - did you read this?)} 22:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

<noinclude> tag?

What does the <noinclude> tag do? (For example:Template:Nasdaq) Shawnc 16:10, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In a template, if you wanted to include something that shouldn't be in the actual article (like a category of that type of template, or template usage instructions), then you would surround it with <noinclude> and </noinclude>. Likewise, a template that puts something in the article (a category for example), you would surround it with <includeonly> and </includeonly>. Thelb⁴ 16:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I see, thank you for the response. Shawnc 16:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a page in Wikipedia that documents this feature? I know there's http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template#Noinclude_and_includeonly at Meta, but I don't see it here. — Catherine\^talk 01:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What is going on?

Every other edit I make makes a stupid error message pop up; and then I get logged out sometimes. I ruined my edits of Military ranks of Mexico, and I was hoping that someone could help. Is there a problem with Wikipedia's servers? εγκυκλοπαίδεια* (talk) 19:57, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It happens from time to time. You should still be able to go back, while keeping your edit text and hitting Save page again. Gflores ^Talk 22:24, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unecessary links

Can someone direct me to the help page or policy regarding links? The reason I ask is this: I often find articles cluttered with links that aren't beneficial. Some seem to double bracket every word in an article that may lead to another article without regard if it adds anything but color to the topic. Other than clutter, I think that spurious linking likely adds to the tasks of the disambiguation project. Likely this is a common question, and I'll be glad to RTFM if anyone can tell me which M to R. =) --Bad carpet 22:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, it's in the Manual of Style. Gflores ^Talk 22:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! --Bad carpet 22:30, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Template

How do you make a deletion template that isn't for speedy deletion?--Anti-Anonymex2 ^{Come to my page! I've gone caliente loco!} 23:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You mean {{AfD}}? Says something about "This page is being considered for deletion in accordance with the deletion policy"? Those are the only two deletion templates I know of. Be sure to read the instructions on the AfD page before marking a page for deletion. H e rmione1980 23:12, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

What just happened to my signature? It was fine several weeks ago. -- King of &hearts; [[User talk:King of Hearts|&diams;]] [[Special:Contributions/King of Hearts|&clubs;]] [[Special:Emailuser/King of Hearts|&spades;]] 23:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:How to fix your signature. Thryduulf 00:21, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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