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Introduction of a malware link into a citation

There's an incident involving a possible malware link being introduced into a {{cite web}} ref by user Ehipassiko2 (talk · contribs) that I'm hesitating to call intentional (hence not "reporting" the user in the section header), but which has potential negative side effects to the encyclopedia, so thought I'd better raise it here in case something needs to be done. (Previously raised at user talk page, and at Teahouse). There are a series of six edits at Feminist views on transgender and transsexual people which mostly appear benign to me, but two among them raised a red flag:

1. 23:53, February 2, 2018 – (→‎Feminist support: Added relevant statements by the radical feminist, Catharine MacKinnon) adds text with {{cite web}} having valid title and a url identified as containing HEUR.Trojan.Script.Generic.
2. 00:12, February 3, 2018 – (→‎Catharine MacKinnon) overwrites good title with "HARM IS HARM".

As I said at the Teahouse, there's been no discussion yet, I still assume good faith on the part of this user, and had there been only one such edit, I would have waited for their response. But given that malware was involved, and that the second edit seemed to confirm the first, I'm not sure if waiting is a good idea. The fact that in every other way, the edits appear to be constructive, is either a mitigating factor and a sign that it's all just a big mistake, or else some clever camouflage for ill intent in a topic area under discretionary sanctions.

Although I'm an occasional lurker here, I haven't participated much, so not sure where to go with this. Since a block seems very premature, I guess I'm really only asking for vigilance, although I don't know how that might translate into ANI-ese, and suspect it might not. I suppose mostly, I raised it because I couldn't in good conscience just sit on this without saying something. Should I just forget about this? Mathglot (talk) 05:24, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

I am confirming that I encouraged Mathglot to file this ANI report in a Teahouse discussion. Lacking expertise in malware, I thought it best to bring the matter to wider attention here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:37, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

FYI I have posted this Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Input requested in hopes of getting as many eyes on this as possible. MarnetteD|Talk 05:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

• FWIW, oncenturyavenue.org seems to have been a legitimate domain at one time judging by Google searches, connected to a legitimate student newspaper connected to NYU Shanghai. It may have been hacked. Additionally, the citation placed by the user is accurately sourced to the NYU Shanghai Writing Department. How they got to the link is unclear. The citation was incorrectly titled, actually using the title of the other source. "HARM IS HARM" is actually the title of the oncenturyavenue page, though it could stand to be made less shouty. How they got to the link is unclear, but it does still show up in Google search, so it may have just been itself cited on another site, and the user chose to use that information and cite the original source without looking into it. I'm willing to assume good faith here. Pinguinn 🐧 06:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
• What specific tool did you use to identify potential malware? [ Opera 43.0. —Mathglot (talk) 09:07, 3 February 2018 (UTC) ]

Looking at Special:Diff/823719240, the meta-scan by Virus Total shows that 1 of 67 and 0 / 67 tools find malware at the URLs added by the user. I suspect that the results are false positive. It is also possible that the website has transient malware from an advertising network BillHPike (talk, contribs) 06:35, 3 February 2018 (UTC)A

I looked at the Fortinet results for more details. The description is just the generic phrase “[malicious website]”. I’m fairly confident this is either a false positive or a transient occurance. BillHPike (talk, contribs) 06:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

My ISP, which uses an OpenDNS filter to check for malware and other things, blocks it as phishing, but per [1] they appear to have nothing on it. Pinguinn 🐧 06:46, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

There appears to be a suspicious script on every page, which I've preserved here. It's inserted before the DOCTYPE declaration, so I am pretty confident the site was hacked. I don't know what the code does, though. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 01:28, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Upon further investigation, it appears to be a cryptocurrency miner. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 02:05, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, duh. I'll blacklist it. Guy (Help!) 10:38, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Has anyone contacted the website owners yet? I'll do that if no one else has. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 00:26, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

I've been following with interest, and just wanted to thank everyone for their help and intervention. I have one request: the original problem was noted in edits by a brand new user (Ehipassiko2 (talk · contribs)), and I don't want them to feel bitten or get scared off by the talk page comments. If there's someone here who reckons they have good bedside manner and would be willing to have a look at my comments on their talk page and perhaps add something if you think it would be helpful, I'd appreciate it. Thus far, they have not responded, so I hope they are still paying attention, or will come back at some point and notice the comments. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 04:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

User: MuhammadWickyKenang

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User: MuhammadWickyKenang has been making nonconstructive edits on articles related to Indonesian Aviation. So far, all of his edits are not related to the articles at all. Here are some examples: [2][3][4]. I have told him to stop his act but he appears to ignore my warning. Therefore, I have decided to report this user and I request help from administrators to deal with this mischievous user . Thank You. CWJakarta (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

• MuhammadWickyKenang (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) blocked 31h for disruptive editing. Please report back if he resumes without starting to engage on Talk. Guy (Help!) 10:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

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User:MarkCamilleriPhD

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This account is a WP:SPA for promotion of his own books. He's been warned many times at his talk page by three editors (including me) about spamming his own books as a reference. Now, following a level 4 warning for advertising, he's switched tactics by posting Airline product, a near-verbatim paste of three pages of one of his books he's been spamming for in references. The article is referenced only by his book and one other source, the latter of which I assume is a reference from his book. Nomination for speedy deletion as spam by User:331dot was declined as the article itself doesn't advertise anything specific. But this account is clearly meant solely for self-promotion - note his rationale at my talk page for his continual reference spam: "Honestly, I just wanted to share and disseminate knowledge from my book. I genuinely believe that it is a useful resource for students and practitioners. My book has been endorsed by some of the best academics in Tourism and Hospitality." [5] The Mighty Glen (talk) 09:41, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

User is not responding at all on Talk, so I have blocked for now and left a message. Guy (Help!) 10:22, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I see that the page has now been speedy deleted as promotional. 331dot (talk) 10:24, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Worth noting that he also tweeted about the article shortly after creating it: [6]. The Mighty Glen (talk) 10:29, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I think we all know that this user is not here for anyone's benefit but his own, however, let's see if he starts to respond on his talk page. Guy (Help!) 10:35, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

It was worth firing up Twitter for the first time this year. -Roxy, Zalophus californianus. barcus 10:37, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't see it that way at all. It's an expert, trying to contribute his expertise, and not knowing our rules. He needs counseling, not banning. (I mention that the most suspicious thing about the article was that it was exceptionally coherent and well-written for a WP general article, and therefore looks like it came from elsewhere; the contribution someone like that can make at WP is enormous, if we do not chase them away. All that needs to be done is to explain the rules, and how to contribute as an expert. Possibly he won't want to continue under our rules--I know experts who will not contribute here because they do not want their precise wording altered--but I also know experts who do understand that this is an important supplement to academic writing.

This seems so very typical of ANI--a rush to conclusions before considering that the motive might be a good one (even though the action showed lack of knowledge of our rules. Actually, I think that relatively few mainstream academic come here to contribute to content article to promote their work--if they want to promote themselves, they try write an autobiography. And when they do promote their work, it's usually just by adding references to it, not by writing major articles summarizing the mainstream orthodox view of their field. DGG ( talk ) 01:10, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

The issue for me is failure to respond to numerous alerts, but I also noted that his edit summaries consistently refer to "important" sources and so on, this does not show the kind of humility I find characteristic of genuinely excellent researchers. However, we don't yet now if this is the generic issue of academics not realising that Wikipedia doesn't work like academic publishing, or blatant self-promotion. I reserve judgment. Guy (Help!) 18:38, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

DGG makes a number of good points concerning Wikipedia and experts, but he overlooks some pretty significant signs that this editor, in particular, is not the kind of expert we need.

First off, I personally find the the addition of "PhD" to a user number to be grating. Certainly those who have achieved doctorates have every right to the honorific "Doctor", but to put in on a user name seems to me to be a pre-emptive strike against having their edits examined closely: "He's a PhD, so what he writes must be correct." Second, taking an excerpt from one's own book and making a Wikipedia article from it is either lazy writing or pormotionalism: they would never presume to try to do that with a professional journal or even a commercial magazine, so they obviously think of Wikipedia as a lesser form of information dispersal. Third, to promote the article by tweeting about it confirms that the purpose of the article is not to improve Wikipedia, or even to spread knowledge more widely, it was to promote the reputation of the writer. Last, there's no possible way to see the failure to interact as anything but a snub, a statement that Wikipedians aren't worth their time.

That's the way the situation appears to me. I hope to be proved wrong. I hope that the editor will request an unblock, perhaps even with an apology for misunderstanding the way things work here, enter into a dialogue with others, and go on to help improve the encyclopedia. We'll see if that happens. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:56, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Reviewing this, the user did request an unblock via UTRS which was procedurally declined (which seemed a little BITEy), and for some reason they removed an unblock request from their talk page, possibly in error. I agree with the above condemnations, but at the very least, an editor who insists that they're trying to contribute to the project in good faith in a variety of areas deserves to have their block appeal reviewed. Swarm ♠ 11:38, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Possible IP socks of globally locked and blocked User:Relpmek

A series of IPs who all geolocate to same region editwarring at Psychology of art led to autoconfirmed page protection yesterday. New IP IP contribs], same geographic location, now editwarring at Talk:Psychology of art to retain content added by a possible sock (User:Psarto) of globally locked and blocked User:Relpmek. Any admins want to take a look at? Heiro 22:31, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I blocked the IP editor, but the talk page might need to be protected later. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Saw that, thank you. They used three different IPs yesterday (89.139.84.17, 85.250.150.112 and 93.173.68.163), and 4th (93.173.166.217) today, so is a good possibility they will pop up again. Maybe a rangeblock is possible?, although I don't know if those are closely grouped enough to not take out too big a range. Heiro 22:53, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

@NinjaRobotPirate:, or any other admin, IP has now hopped to 217.132.7.20 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) Heiro 05:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Saw this thread in passing. I blocked 217.132.7.20 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) for quacking on Talk:Psychology of art. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:45, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

About the time I semi protected Talk:Psychology of art. -- Dlohcierekim (talk) 08:46, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

It's possible there are workable range blocks in there somewhere. I'd prefer trying page protection first, though. It looks like Relpmek has kind of narrow interests, so it might work. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 10:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Persistent edit warring and disruptive editing from 2.232.70.45

An IP editor at 2.232.70.45, with a long history of blocks for edit warring, vandalism, and block evasion, is engaged in a spate of disruptive editing at the moment. I have tried to reason with the editor, and, to bring in other editors most recently active on the principal article of contention (see that article's talkpage history below).

• IP's contributions
• IP's talkpage and talkpage history
• Edit history of main article of contention (Cefalù Cathedral)
• Edit history of Cefalù Cathedral article talkpage

Eric ^talk 01:30, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Answer to false accusations: avoid sabotaging the discussions and responding to your work [7] Edit history of main article of contention (Cefalù Cathedral) --2.232.70.45 (talk) 02:35, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@2.232.70.45: what was your takeaway from the fact that three days ago, an administrator warned you on your talk page that you were in danger of receiving a lengthy block for your actions in this matter? --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 06:34, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Jprg1966: I'm pretty sure notifications don't work with IPs. Doug Weller talk 07:57, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Good to know. In any case, I hope the IP uses this opportunity to do some self-reflection for their own benefit. --Jprg1966 ^(talk) 15:02, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Disruptive edits by an anonymous "male"

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Hi admin! Coming here after this suggestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_159#Talk:Aangan_(TV_series)

You can check out whole Talk:Aangan (TV series); the issue might have been resolved but still "his" behaviour is rude. The latest example of the behaviour is in Draft:Tabeer. Although it is just a draft, but it has been declined several times maybe due to not enough coverage; though I didn't understand why is "he" reverting my edits. His IPs were earlier 182.182.*** and now are 39.38.***. Please check out and let me know what to do. Thanks! :) M. Billoo 13:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Why are you putting scare quotes around "male" and "his"? What possible difference can the IP's gender make to your complaint? If you just want to avoid making assumptions about their gender, better to use singular "they", as I just did. It's now accepted by numerous grammarians and style books. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

There's no basis for admin action here. It appears that you have a personal dispute (not a content dispute) with this user, and that they simply want you to leave them alone. I strongly suggest you stop interacting with this user unless you have a very good reason for doing so. I don't think you need to be intervening on that particular draft. Swarm ♠ 11:25, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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ChiveFungi aggressive insulting attitude

Dear Wikipedia

I've been editing in a small way for many years, largely grammar/spelling/typos using my professional publishing skills from a life in publishing. Occasionally I write in Talk pages with suggestions, leaving it to the editors of pages to accept or reject.

I recently had cause to suggest a correction to a page in its Talk page due to personal knowledge. The page in question is Eurabia, the article attributes the creation of the name to someone in 2005, while I know as a fact that the painter Michael Bowen painted a painting in Florence in the 1980s with this title and has explained the thinking behind it to me in an email, which I quoted from. Bowen, who is now dead, was a widely traveled, non-bigoted individual who was married to an Indian woman and has a child by her, was immersed in Eastern religions, and, while living in Florence with his then Italian wife, painted Eurabia. I gave all this information in good faith, expecting it to be appreciated as yet more knowledge. Instead the author of the page aggressively told me:

'There's no need for white genocide conspiracy theory type nonsense on talk pages. Keep those thoughts to yourself. type nonsense on talk pages. Keep those thoughts to yourself. Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, you may be blocked from editing. --ChiveFungi (talk) 14:23, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I hadn't edited anything but wrote a suggestion on the talk page based on knowledge. I am not a 'white genocide conspiracy theory type' whatever that is and hadn't even heard of this particular conspiracy theory previously, it sounds to me that ChiveFungi has an agenda and no one is allowed to disturb it.

Having looked at ChiveFungi's talk page, I see a number of others have responded to his immoderate outbursts and bullying with remarks similar to mine, that his attack is unwarranted, that his attitude stinks, as also illustrated by 'Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war.'

If anyone fairly reads my comments, they will see I am not part of any conspiracy theory [I have attacked many of these over the decades myself], was not 'disruptibe editing' nor have I ever vandalised Wikipedia, and I will not be accused of it by this person who clearly has issues that perhaps make him unsuitable as an editor?

His insulting, belittling attitude is unjustified and if he had read and understood what I wrote he would not have been as confused as he clearly is. Perhaps he sees all edits to his little empire here as threats? If so he needs to be reminded how to behave. My faith in the accuracy of Wikipedia has been challenged by this as also my faith in it being a respectful community and I shall never again defend it against ignorant people. PetePassword (talk) 13:32, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

• (Non-admin comment) - I have removed the ANI template from the header and placed on the accused's talkpage on behalf of filer - courtesy ping ChiveFungi Nightfury 13:46, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

• TL;DR - Just gonna throw my 2 cents in but looking at the replies from both users personally both deserve blocking for incivilty. –Davey2010^Talk 14:14, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

• Agreed, although I think PetePassword's incivility is the greater of the two. ChiveFungi stuck to template messages after that initial comment, whereas PetePassword has gone on to call ChiveFungi a "dickhead" [8], ask "What's your mental problem" [9], and say "I suspect his ego can't handle what it sees as criticism, a common problem among juveniles" [10]. Marianna251TALK 14:21, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi everybody,

Firstly, I think I was correct in my assessment that what they had posted was racist:

I have come across the term [Eurabia] however as a descriptor of what is happening/has happened to Europe with the connivance of the liberal political class - no conspiracy, just a lot of virtue signalling liberals signing their own culture's death warrant out of stupidity and an imagined multicultural world

This is white genocide conspiracy theory. The idea that white liberals are allowing their own culture/people to die out by allowing foreigners in. It's a racist conspiracy theory. I try to give the benefit of the doubt and not call somebody's remarks racist when it seems borderline. But I don't think this was borderline.

And secondly, regarding the tone - I don't think I was being uncivil. I certainly don't tiptoe around the feelings of people who write racist rants, but I don't think I was being belligerent. Merely direct and to-the-point.

--ChiveFungi (talk) 14:54, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

AJJCornhole

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I'm writing this article for a business founded in 2005 and I believe it has a default blacklist on the word, "Cornhole", due to the profane nature of the subject matter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:AJJCornhole

Can you please assist me or my colleagues?

Thank you,

Andrew — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azgoda (talk • contribs) 15:33, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi Azgoda. In order to preserve attribution I believe the best way to approach this is for you to create the article in your sandbox and then ask an admin to move it to the proper title. Also, please read the conflict of interest info I added to your talk page. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:49, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Another Bambifan sock

Check out User:Tingtangtong. Same edit pattern, same edit summaries as the last sock, Bambi. No alerts being sent per WP:LTA/BF101. --McDoobAU93 18:35, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

• There is a range we can consider blocking, but it's huge. Drmies (talk) 18:42, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I ran the mass-rollback tool on all their edits. In looking over the LTA case, is there a traceable pattern that an edit filter could detect? Home Lander (talk) 18:53, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Drmies: or someone, can you delete User talk:Tingtangtong, I blundered with Twinkle while tagging one of the pages. Home Lander (talk) 19:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

List of federal judges appointed by Donald Trump

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List of federal judges appointed by Donald Trump is currently subject to discretionary sanctions. Getting a number of violations of WP:1RR by several editors. I really don't want to go to Arbitration Enforcement yet and would rather ask an uninvolved administrator to take a look, possibly administer personal warnings to those they feel necessary and perhaps an 8 to 24 hour full protect to force people to the talk page. I have deliberately not named any offending editors and I am NOT requesting any sanctions against anybody at this time, just a warning. I am prepared to go to arbitration enforcement if I have to, but I want to avoid that if possible. Safiel (talk) 22:27, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

@Safiel: Your edit summary reminder should do the trick. All involved editors are aware of discretionary sanctions. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:37, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Agreed, people have finally taken it to the talk page. Safiel (talk) 05:18, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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IP editor 86.87.212.214 - long-term disruptive editing, no communication.

86.87.212.214 (talk · contribs) appears to have a fixed IP number, and a history of the same pattern of exclusively unconstructive edits, going back about a year. They're sporadic, less than 40 in total, usually small changes. Many of them are unexplained removals of well-sourced material which apparently conflicts with their views about Iran. They often involve removals of mentions of Turkic, Arab, and Jewish people, eg. [11], [12], [13]. Many are clumsy changes in the attribution of the origin of some word, food dish, etc., to their own country, eg. [14], [15], [16]. The editor has never used an edit summary, nor participated in a talk page. They appear to be unaware of their own talk page, warnings, and a recent 24-hour block. They don't seem to be hostile or engage in edit wars; they're oblivious to the fact that essentially all of their edits have been reverted, by many different editors. There may be one or two edits that are not completly wrong. I suppose it must be assumed they're editing in good faith, however misguided, rather than vandalizing. But it seems to me they're WP:NOTHERE to build an encyclopedia, so much as to push crude nationalistic beliefs, and there's no hope of improvement if they won't communicate with anyone. --IamNotU (talk) 01:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

See Jasper2018 (talk · contribs · count).--Bbb23 (talk) 02:07, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

When it rains, it pours... The "it wasn't me" defence would be easier to believe, despite the close resemblance of the earlier edits, if 86.87.212.214 was a dynamic IP from Iran, rather than a (normally fixed) IP from KPN in the Netherlands.[17] Also, compare these edits, one from last October, and the one from yesterday: [18] / [19]. --IamNotU (talk) 13:14, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

[R]BI request

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Repquesting Block without SPI of GHeidenberg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) sock of this UAA-blocked account. RBI would also help avoid opening an SPI due to the master's username violation. Dr. K. 06:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Ongoing edit war on The Third Murder

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Hi. I would like the administrators to check the revision history of this page. The article is in an unstable situation as two IP users have been edit warring constantly for hours. I asked both of them to stop, but they didn't listen to me. Please help stabilize the article as soon as possible. Thanks. Keivan.f^Talk 07:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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Promontoriumispromontorium is NOTHERE

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• Promontoriumispromontorium (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Requesting a NOTHERE block for this user. I was collecting diffs for an AE filing but appalled by what I found. In the past week this user has made repeated polemic and diatribe comments of pages relating to American politics and transgender issues. These are both DS areas, but this behavior is unacceptable even in non-DS areas.

1. 20:54, 1 February 2018 "Instead it's just you lying biased liberals tossing out every libelous attack you could find from hack journalists who know they can get away with lies and hate because they have people like you turning their lies into "truth" by simply silencing all opposition. This whole page is a joke. You're disgusting people with no respect for journalism, accuracy, or objectivity. You've smeared more feces on this page than San Franciscans did their own park to stop minorities from sharing their experiences."
2. 21:00, 1 February 2018 " Proving the San Franciscans were the violent animals, throwing feces and spitting on cops even when nobody else was around. Left all that out because you're liars and hacks."
3. 05:55, 6 February 2018 " However since I know I can't avail you biased leftist SJWs from controlling the "truth". I'll beat you at your own game. Sex and gender are..."
4. 06:00, 6 February 2018 "Since gender is psychological not biological, it's a pointless endeavor, but the psychotically biased left, who include these editors will defend to their death manufactured, clearly unsupported, unscientific, 1984esque imaginary terminology such as this to back a narrative for political ends. By calling it what it actually is, scientific confirmation of sex, it undermines their lies. And lying is the point. So this article will stand until their narrative changes, not facts. Which undeniably are on the side of renaming or deleting this. "
5. 06:49, 6 February 2018 "But then you lying leftist SJW crusaders use this lie as defense to keep it up, as people can't cite enough sources to call it something else. Something invented whole cloth for sociopolitical reasons, of course there isn't a rich history to reference too."
6. 06:54, 6 February 2018 "It is a whole cloth liberal arts sociopolitical tactic to create terminology in order to be able to attack it"

I see little to no contributions outside of article talk pages. This type of commentary is nothing new either (comment about Caitlyn Jenner and other gems [20] [21] [22]).

EvergreenFir (talk) 08:01, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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PAKHIGHWAY block review

(I'll notify involved editors in a moment) I just blocked PAKHIGHWAY (talk · contribs). This user was under a topic ban as a result of this discussion. In the section earlier on this noticeboard, "Mass G8 deletion of pages created by an IP", there was some concern the user was editing via an IP address, though this was not involved in my discussion to block. In my opinion and apparently that of others, PAKHIGHWAY has been pushing right up against the edge of the topic ban in a number of edits. What concerned me this morning was this edit, removing "Disputed with India" which seems an unambiguous violation, and then these edits to a talk page on an article about India. It's hard to reconcile these with the user's topic ban. Combine those edits with the existing behaviour and I felt it most appropriate to place a six month block. I am unclear as to whether the topic ban should restart once the block expires, but (if the block stands), we'll need to determine this. I suggest the topic ban be restarted once the block expires. So... is this block appropriate? If so, should the topic ban restart once the block expires? --Yamla (talk) 12:59, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

• Definitely needed some sort of block, although six months may be a big leap. I think the topic ban should be reset after each block. - Sitush (talk) 13:13, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
• Agree with Yamla a block was absolutely in order as a clear and present breach of topic ban (and which on top of the myriad of other similar edits could in no way be accidental). However: six months could appear excessive. Don't topic-ban violations usually begin with a month block and increment at the same rate? Mind you, arguably, that's also the discretion we pay our admin corp for—and this editor's been pushing the same crap since the beginning of the year (three blocks already, since 1 Jan, for the same thing?!). >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 13:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
• I would argue for a block of one month.And T-Ban resets with each block.~ Winged Blades^Godric 13:34, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • If the consensus is to shorten the block to one month, I'm quite happy to do so. I'll leave the discussion open for a while yet, of course. --Yamla (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
• I guess I can see the rationale for 6 months (the two blocks this year were relatively shorter than desired). But yes, reduce to 1 month seems to be more within the process. Alex Shih (talk) 13:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
• Yamla, more of a procedural question than anything, but is this block intended as an AE action? I ask since I believe the TBAN was a discretionary sanction and was logged at WP:AELOG/2018. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:05, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
• Yamla: fix ping. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:06, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I'll be happy to log it there (thanks for reminding me), though I think I'll hold off until this discussion runs its course. Looks like I'll be shortening it to a month which is a meaningful difference. --Yamla (talk) 14:10, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
• I thought the block was reasonable, this looked to me like this was one of (a) a breaching experiment; (b) a complete failure to get it, or (c) a failure to accept the restriction. The appeal appears to rule out (b). Guy (Help!) 14:32, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
• Given his previous behaviour, blocks, and all the warnings; I think 45 days would be the best call. —usernamekiran(talk) 14:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Saiph121: Take 5

Saiph121 either cannot understand or will not accept consensus. They have been given plenty of rope. If rope were corn flakes, they'd be Kellogg's. (See their talk page.)

Here is their last trip to AN/I. This is them not hearing that discussion. This is another final warning, from JzG. This and this are Saiph121 making it clear they did not understand or chose not to follow that warning (for which JzG blocked them again).

Now we have this. Saiph121 is again re-adding a non-notable award contrary to the repeatedly established consensus. They challenged that consensus at DRN, where it was found to be a non-controversial one-against-many. They edited in defiance of that consensus and were blocked for it. That brought them back here with the warning and block discussed above.

That new diff also has them re-adding a category which was removed after similar extensive discussion on the same talk page, a trip to DRN, a trip here and a couple of blocks.

Discussion does not work. They either do not understand key portions of the discussions, do not understand that consensus is our basic dispute resolution process or choose not to follow the consensus.

Warnings do not work. Their (extensive) talk page is littered with ignored requests for discussion and warnings.

Short blocks do not work. They have returned from three blocks in a month and a half with no apparent recognition that there is a problem.

I think a longer term block and/or a 1RR restriction is needed. - SummerPhD^v2.0 13:42, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

First, I will point out that the dispute resolution noticeboard is a purely voluntary service for the resolution of content disputes, but that User:Saiph121 was previously using it vexatiously, apparently in order to avoid consensus. The fact that their trips to DRN were dismissed should not be used as evidence that they were wrong on the content. However, second, I completely agree with User:SummerPhDv2.0 that this is a case of tendentious editing. I don't see that longer blocks are the answer, because by now the question is whether to give an indefinite block for competence or as not here to collaborate or to fashion a restriction. I propose a Topic-Ban on all versions of Beauty and the Beast, broadly defined, and on film-related topics for six months. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:04, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I do not mean to imply that the DRN results are indicative of the content questions, only that they clearly show that Saiph121 is not recognizing when consensuses exist and that they are binding so long as they remain.

I do not think that a TBAN on Beauty and the Beast is sufficient. Saiph121 has a recurring pattern, discussed at Talk:Culture_of_the_United_Kingdom#Extensive_and_growing_example_farm. They add content and, when reverted, repeatedly restore the content (often while logged out). They do not respond to discussion requests, responding only once a consensus is established and enacted (a process currently underway on that same talk page). A topic ban would apparently need to cover all film related articles (broadly construed). While I think the broader range of articles is necessary, I think a 1RR on such articles will quickly get us to the point where they either "get it" or end up blocked. - SummerPhD^v2.0 14:27, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

William Foster Nye

There was a speedy deletion notice which I contested. I took the article from an 85.7% Earwig down to a 2% earwig. It was deleteed (can't recover who did it) anyway as a copyuright violation. SNAFU. There was no copyright violation. Nobody was "fooling Earwig", as you alleged. This was a contested deletion which should have been WP:PRODd IT. Deletionn violated WP:Before. There was a 2% chance of a ccopyyright violation per Earwig. <There was no copy vio and no close paraphrasing. You deleted based on an alleged copyright violation. The expansive, new and novel Procrustean approach is clearly outside of policy. WP:Before violated. Article could have been improved and expanded. The mere coincidence of proper and trade names doesn't make this a copy vio. I would also note that User:Fram left a notice at here at User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 's talk page, and he is currently blocked from editing. Talk about a self fulfilling prophecy. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 13:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

The page was nominated (not by me) for deletion as a copyvio (an old one, the RAN copyright investigation has been ongoing slowly for years). 7&6 contested the deletion and edited the article, but the end result wsa enough to fool Earwig's tool, but not enough to actually get rid of the copyvio. I deleted the article and left a note at RANs talk page, with two long examples of such remaining copyvios[23]. 7&6 seems to think that if Earwig's tool is happy, no copyvio is possible and the article may not be speedy deleted. That's not how it works, and I hope they haven't done too many other similar copyvio "cleanups" as that would mean a lot of potentially problematic content. Fram (talk) 13:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

I am with Fram on this one. Trivially rewording an article so that automated tools don't spot the copyvio doesn't make it not a copyvio. Speedy deletion was the right move. The subject may or may not be notable and if it is, you're very welcome to write an article about it; don't make it a close paraphrase of a source. GoldenRing (talk) 13:51, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) @7&6=thirteen (can't ping, sorry) This discussion is all over the place! Not only RAN's talk, but Fram's talk, Oshwah's talk MelanieN's talk. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 13:53, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Before 7&6=thirteen began working on the article the content was a verbatim copyvio. Tiderolls 14:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

• The earwig tool is great in some circumstances or as a rough guide. Spotting large completely lifted chunks of copyvio text is one area where it excels. Spotting copyvio text that has had a word or two changed but is substantially the same overall is not. Changing the occasional word does not necessarily make it not a copyvio per ENWP's rules, there is paraphrasing, close paraphrasing, and there is switching a word in the middle of a sentence to bring earwigs % down. From looking at the example's on RAN's page left by Fram, I am of the opinion this certainly (albeit in good faith by thirteen) falls in the latter category. Editors should not place high value in earwigs results. Its a good indicator. Its not infallible.

What I would suggest is that given RAN has shown no interest in fixing his extensive copyvio problems over the years is that there should be no requirement of any other editor in notifying him if they nominate anything of his mess for deletion due to copyright issues. Only in death does duty end (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Gagibgd at Serbia men's national water polo team

Serbia men's national water polo team (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and Water polo at the Summer Olympics (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) have been subject of a slow-motion (and not so slow recently) edit war, chiefly by Gagibgd (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), since at least 2013. Here is his edit history on the article. Gagibgd persistently tries to include the records of Yugoslavia men's national water polo team, established in 1936, as an achievement of the Serbian team, without offering a single reference (the Serbian article is completely unreferenced). I tried to engage him at Talk:Serbia men's national water polo team#SFR Yugoslavian results, and Csknowitall at Talk:Water polo at the Summer Olympics to little avail. Only today he said anything on any talk page (mine is hardly the right place), citing the same document that I used to refute his claims. Anyway: this is admittedly a content dispute, but it can hardly be solved if he practically refuses to discuss the issue (or perhaps his English is insufficient to communicate): he has 0 (zero) contributions to Talk: namespace, and the only ones to User talk are in Serbian [24]. I'm at loss what to suggest... No such user (talk) 15:01, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Gagibgd turning up to revert this section is not a promising sign. @Gagibgd: Don't do that again. GoldenRing (talk) 15:17, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Yes, @Gagibgd: blanked his own talk page now as well, in hopes that admins won't see the discussions. Csknowitall (talk) 15:19, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

@Csknowitall: or we assume that they blanked it because WP:BLANKING says...they can? Be mindful: They may well have blanked this because of inexperience. It was, after all, their first edit to WP space ever, in five years  :) >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 15:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

No such user at Serbia men's national water polo team

This user constantly keeps reverting edits about Serbia men's national water polo team and their results and medal tables based on no evidence. Serbia as a country, is widely considered as inheritor of Yugoslavia. This also counts for sports results. When Yugoslavia was breaking apart in 1992, all countries except Serbia and Montenegro requested to exit, and start from the beginning. Serbia and Montenegro (at that time known as FR Yugoslavia) was kept in SFR Yugoslavia, and was eventually renamed to FR Yugoslavia. FR Yugoslavia got legal continuity of SFR Yugoslavia, and that is a known fact. Even FINA, which is a main water polo organization in the world agrees with this, and here is evidence for that claim https://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/final_histofina_wp_2016_0.pdf. In football for example. FIFA considers Serbia as Yugoslavia inheritor, you can see that on the page Serbia national football team. So, how can one country be a successor of the other in some sports, or some competitions, and in some other not? That is just absurd.