User talk:Jonesey95

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ARTM bus terminals

I spent a lot of time these last few days updating the pages of Montreal metropolitan bus terminals which were displaying incorrect information for years.

I edited lots of info which took hours. The list of terminals can be found here at Annex 1: https://www.artm.quebec/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/2521_ARTM_Corpo_PDI_2024_WEB_V4.pdf all the bus lines on each page are the correct ones.

I understand the need for references and edit summaries but before reverting my edit you could ask for more sources next time. Mtlfiredude (talk) 22:01, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Please use an edit summary for every edit. Also, creating {{ARTM bus terminal}} when an appropriate template already existed was not a good look. And you broke the |name= parameter. Please be more careful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:12, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok, what I wanted to do was change the template name “Exo bus” to “ARTM bus terminal” to reflect the changes.

Anyhow, I will be more careful, thanks. Mtlfiredude (talk) 11:15, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

Why? The relevant article title is Exo (public transit). The buses say "Exo" on the side. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:12, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

ARTM is the transit authority, Exo is a transit operator. Exo does not own that infrastructure, so they’re not « Exo bus terminals », they belong to the ARTM. Mtlfiredude (talk) 12:25, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Your argument is not with me; it's with the consensus about the article's title and the common name that is used to describe the places. If reliable sources call these places ARTM bus terminals, then your name changes make sense. If sources call them Exo bus terminals, then calling them ARTM terminals on Wikipedia goes against our guidelines. I recommend that you discuss it at the talk page for the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:58, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Will do Mtlfiredude (talk) 02:43, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Template:Transl

Numerous articles utilize this template, and the present presentation of these articles are mess due to your alterations. Can the prior model be reinstated? TinaLees-Jones (talk) 00:38, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Sorry for making it worse before I made it better. Numerous articles were very broken because of an undocumented RfD template that was placed on that page. I have fixed the underlying code problem and restored the page to its previous state. If any pages are broken after you perform a null edit, please link to one, and I will take a look. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:42, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

Hellenic Police: dashes

You edited Hellenic Police changing hyphens to en dashes, for example, the en dash in the title in {{Cite web |title=Γενική Διεύθυνση Προστασίας Επισήμων και Ευπαθών Στόχων – Ελληνική Αστυνομία |url=https://www.astynomia.gr/elliniki-astynomia/eidikes-ypiresies/geniki-diefthynsi-prostasias-episimon-kai-efpathon-stochon/ |access-date=October 29, 2024 |website=astynomia.gr}}. If you are aware of clear guidance on this, please let me know. My view is that punctuation in non-English languages should mostly be preserved. However, if the original script is Latin or Greek, I will usually change curly quotes and apostrophes to straight quotes and apostrophes, and nested quotes (including in article titles) to single. I don't change quotes and apostrophes around in Arabic, Korean, or other scripts. In Arabic I am especially reluctant because I assume that curly single quotes imply an Arabic character. And I assume that most languages don't necessarily use en dash and em dash as we do, so when I copy an article title or proper noun from a non-English source, I leave the hyphens and don't convert to the dash that we would use in English. Again, if you can point to guidance on this, I'd like to see it.

But composing this message leads me to actually try out the URL. Lo and behold, the actual page title is just "Γενική Διεύθυνση Προστασίας Επισήμων και Ευπαθών Στόχων"; "Ελληνική Αστυνομία" is the website. So that means probably all of the page titles need to end before the dash. And the page summary needs to say so, and there should probably be a message on someone's talk page saying, please list page title as just the article title, append the website name. —Anomalocaris (talk) 01:30, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Fixed Hellenic Police to remove many occurrences of "– Ελληνική Αστυνομία" from article titles and insert instead |publisher=Hellenic Police. Found the culprit: same editor as who kept reverting you, added a comment on their talk page. —Anomalocaris (talk) 02:06, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Nice work with removing the web site titles. If I am so inclined, I generally change citation titles to match MOS, including changing spaced hyphens to spaced dashes. See MOS:CONFORM, which is about quotations, but I think the same principles apply, as we are essentially quoting the title of something. I also change titles like "Bill Smith : Medal of Honor" to remove the space before the colon (MOS:COLON: "no space should precede a colon"); I see that construction in French titles, mostly. I don't see a problem with tidying bits like this to make our pages consistent with respect to MOS. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:43, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

OK, so if you find some web page with a title "Celebration July 6-7" do you mark it up as |title=Celebration July 6–7 with an en dash? —Anomalocaris (talk) 04:28, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Definitely. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:59, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

OK, do you change |title=Citing 'lost faith,' pastor quits to |title=Citing 'lost faith', pastor quits?

Generally not, but only because I don't notice those. I have no objection to the change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

@Anomalocaris: Lurker here. Re the hyphen, people often join bits of web pages and such into titles, quite often with a spaced hyphen between them. But the spaced hyphen is an abomination, imho, with no role in proper orthography, English or otherwise. I often do a global replace of spaced hyphen to spaced en dash, then go back and fix the file names, because that's one place where the practice is common and not so easy to fix. In ref titles, made up or otherwise, I don't see a reason to ever tolerate spaced hyphens. It's basically just the lazy typist's way of indicating a dash. Dicklyon (talk) 16:57, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

Template link

That template link you added here is very handy, since that's often where the most important fixes are to be found. But it would be so much more useful if it was only there when the list of linking templates is not empty. I expect you know that already, so I suppose it's not so easy to conditionalize it that way. Thanks for all you do. Dicklyon (talk) 16:50, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree 100%. That would probably require a separate report. I'll think on it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:54, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

I suppose it would be not too hard to make a bot that would go through the items on this report and filter them by various criteria into other reports. I might know a bot writer would could take that on. Dicklyon (talk) 15:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations in template space is a first draft. Ideally, it would limit the templates to only those that are transcluded in article space, but I don't know how to do that yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:02, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

"Is this what you meant"

Hey Jonesey, reaching out regarding this edit. Is the perspective that we need to include the full name? I figured it'd be acceptable and easy to understand if simply "WrestleMania" was included instead of "WrestleMania 22". Hey man im josh (talk) 17:43, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

I think that's how it's supposed to work. The documentation for the template says The name of this redirect, correctly capitalised, if it differs from the redirect target. It appears that you can also leave |1= out entirely, which may be the easiest thing to do. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:46, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Hmmm, I see. Tried to keep things simple, and while I personally think it should, in idea, be acceptable, I'll be mindful of being more accurate with the full title moving forward. You would think though that the parameter would then be unnecessary if it was simply meant to match the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:00, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Jonesey

I...just have to ask, since I first saw you on the Charlotte County Islands template (which is under construction, thanks; problem is there's 100+ islands which would overwhelm the general NB talkpage)...are you the Jonesey of S Cove? Because hilarious if so! Fundy Isles Historian - J (talk) 19:59, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Nope, that must be someone else. That template popped up on one of my error reports, which is why I came to fix it. If you decide to restore the template after making articles for all 100+ islands, please check all of the links; some of them were pointing to islands that are not in New Brunswick. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:05, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

March 2025 GOCE drive award

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE March 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 08:03, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:03, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors April 2025 Newsletter

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Tech News: 2025-16

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Weekly highlight

• Later this week, the default thumbnail size will be increased from 220px to 250px. This changes how pages are shown in all wikis and has been requested by some communities for many years, but wasn't previously possible due to technical limitations. [1]
• File thumbnails are now stored in discrete sizes. If a page specifies a thumbnail size that's not among the standard sizes (20, 40, 60, 120, 250, 330, 500, 960), then MediaWiki will pick the closest larger thumbnail size but will tell the browser to downscale it to the requested size. In these cases, nothing will change visually but users might load slightly larger images. If it doesn't matter which thumbnail size is used in a page, please pick one of the standard sizes to avoid the extra in-browser down-scaling step. [2][3]

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MediaWiki message delivery 00:21, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Reverted link

Hello,

You just reverted a link I made to a Commons category above some images on the Jean-Paul Goude article, but I didn't find any other way to do it. Could you please show me how, since I usually write on the French Wikipedia? Thank you very much in advance: Tatvam (talk) 14:19, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Not a revert; a fix. See Template:Commons category-inline: It is intended for use in the "External links" section of an article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:30, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, but what template allows you to place a link to any Commons category below a gallery of images? In French, we use this one but the page doesn't give the English version of it as is the case with other templates: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modèle:Commons-gallery

Tatvam (talk) 14:41, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

I have not seen that sort of link in en.WP. I recommend asking at Template talk:Commons category. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:53, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you again, but I just saw that I didn't use the Template:Commons category-inline that you say is intended for use in the "External links" section of an article but the Template:Commons-inline with no similar constraints 🙂. Tatvam (talk) 15:18, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

That looks like an oversight. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

Thank you so much ...

... for this. Now how can we get the historic drawing to appear in the History section? That's what I've been failing in doing. SergeWoodzing (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

It looks like another editor already did it for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:20, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

It's a bit of a MOS:SANDWICH anyway you slice it given the short article length. Zinnober9 (talk) 20:27, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

That's why I didn't move the image up into the article body. It looks fine on a screen of reasonable width or with the space-hogging Vector 2022 defaults modified to give reasonable space to the content column, but at some resolutions (on my computer, 1200px and 740px when logged out), it's definitely a sandwich. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:48, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

After I copied the article and tried some things in my sandbox with placement, I figured you likely looked into that and didn't find something better since I found ways to make it worse. Short of moving both images to a gallery section to make it go away (probably not ideal), or swapping history and sports to be an unexpected order of sections (not recommended), I don't think the sandwich will go away until after the article expands to a length where history goes beyond the infobox. Zinnober9 (talk) 22:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Someone undid your template changes

It seems like someone undid your changes for the Australian Political Party templates. I am a new editor so I would like to refrain from undoing what they did, but I think what they did was incorrect. May you please look into it? NoBudee (talk) 02:08, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Unsigned2

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• A new type of lint error has been created: Empty headings (documentation). The Linter extension's purpose is to identify wikitext patterns that must or can be fixed in pages and provide some guidance about what the problems are with those patterns and how to fix them. [4]
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April blitz bling

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 2,000 words (including rollover words) during the GOCE April 2025 Copy Editing Blitz. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Miniapolis 13:27, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Template:Population WD

Hi, I am trying to make an update to Orangeville, Ontario. There is a problem with the current access to the population and census dates in Wikidata, so I wanted to use Template:Population WD. It seems that you have banned anyone from using that template in infoboxes. However, I am going to include the source in that Wikidata item and/or directly in the Wikipedia infobox so can't I do that? 11USA11 (talk) 01:54, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Population is being imported into that infobox improperly; all information pulled from Wikidata into infoboxes must be reliably sourced. Neither those wikidata calls nor {{Population WD}} checks to ensure that the data is reliably sourced. Calling anything related to that coding a "ban" imposed by me is not correct; the consensus on Wikipedia is that data pulled from Wikidata into infobox must be reliably sourced, and I linked to that consensus.

My recommendation is that you manually type the population into that article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:27, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok, I'll replace it with manual coding. 11USA11 (talk) 16:44, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Magic words and MOS:ORDER

Hi, please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Layout#Help Magic Words. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:18, 25 April 2025 (UTC)

Disciple of Saturn

	Contributor to the Legacy of Saturn
	Thank you for the change to the Saturn S-Series categorization :) Anything that finalizes that change is a step in the right direction :) TheSaturnLover (talk) 16:35, 27 April 2025 (UTC)

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User > Editor

I'm quite confused about this edit: [5]
It's always been user, just like the namespace, the user templates' standard prefix, the userbox, etc. The template itself states This user.... What's the point of this change? – Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 23:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

It has always struck me as inappropriate and less than correct to use the word "user" when the more accurate term of art, "editor", is clearly meant. You can change it back it you want. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:01, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not against the word editor itself, I'd only keep user for consistency with the namespace, the prefix and the template itself. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 00:13, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

Request for a Welcome Message

Hello, I've been editing Wikipedia for nearly two months now, but I noticed that I haven't received a welcome message yet on my user talk page. If you have the time, I would really appreciate it if you could leave one. Thank you very much in advance! ^{Yuzy Okkotsu1} (☎) 06:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Yuzy Okkotsu1: It's not obigatory, some people wait longer. I got mine nine weeks, six days and nineteen minutes after I made my first logged-in edit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:42, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

GOCE

Hi, would you mind explaining this? [6] I don't see how "WikiProject Military History" is worse grammar than "the Military history wikiproject". Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 19:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Sure. Start at the beginning of the sentence. You will see "based on the excellent system running at the WikiProject Military History," which is obviously incorrect. "The" does not belong in front of "WikiProject X", just as it does not belong before "Nigeria" or "Wembley Stadium". – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining, would you still be opposed to "at WikiProject Military History" instead of "at the Military history Wikiproject"? GoldRomean (talk) 20:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

That would be better than "... the Wikiproject Military History ...". – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:03, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I have restored my edit (this time without the typo). Let me know if you still have any issues. Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 22:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

College color module

How knowledgeable about Lua are you? I've tried to make the module work with dark mode by brute-forcing !important but it led to other issues. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:45, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Not very knowledgeable, and my knowledge of the funky dark/light CSS variables is even worse. What are you trying to achieve? Point me to a problem page. I know that !important is generally not recommended. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

It's everything that uses the module, so infoboxes, wikitables, navboxes, etc. If you use the Vector 2022 skin, put it in dark mode via the drop down menu (not the older gadget option) and look at the navboxes on Jayden Daniels page. You should see the college ones display only their border. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:26, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

The navbox on that page called "Southeastern Conference (SEC) Athlete of the Year" looks reasonable to me in dark mode. It shows yellow borders, black backgrounds, and white text with blue or red links. I see no accessibility issues related to contrast. I have seen the dark mode do things I can't explain, like ignore an explicit background color, but the result is usually accessible (as opposed to white text on a light gray background or something really bad like that), so I move on to bigger problems. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

It's not an accessibility issue, it's the module not being updated to work with the newish MediaWiki dark mode feature to allow the primary color to display like the secondary/border. I fixed the NFL one as it had the same issue, but the college module is more complex and had problems with Wikitables I believe when I attempted a similar fix a few months ago. Seems like the whole module needs to be reformatted according to this user. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, that class and styles.css stuff is over my head. I don't know how you would let an editor choose a random color and also use styles.css. Also, the Linter complains if you set color: inline in a span or div tag but set the background-color: using styles.css. See T393538. If you learn something useful, please let me know; I'm pretty good at copying other people's code, even when I can't write new code myself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

To my mind, sports navboxes are getting way too funky with their colours. The religion people manage with just two coloured lines, to denote how high up the tree they are - see Justin Welby#External links and open up the "Justin Welby navigational boxes". --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:04, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

It's valid criticism. Just check out the average NFL season article for how much it gets overused. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 01:30, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Edit request to Template_talk:Track_listing is glitched

Hi, I've tried to submit the edit request we've discussed to change Module:Track_listing twice but it glitches the talk page pretty badly, and I'm not sure what's going on. Fundgy (talk) 14:26, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, I see what happened. Fundgy (talk) 14:31, 11 May 2025 (UTC)

Template question

I created {{U.S. SenFoot}} after finding that {{U.S. SenHead}} was in use without its pairing closer, but finding it isn't behaving as I expected and wondered if you might know why. I based it on the similar {{PresHead}} {{PresFoot}} pairing that typically appear on the same set of pages, but where the Pres set closes in an expected way with no unexpected rows, my U.S. SenFoot is closing the table with an unexpected 2020 final row (example). Why? I know it's the safesubst line causing it, but since it was built the same way, I'm not sure why I'm getting different results, and the headers for both sets are equivalent (barring the different named column headers/quantity), and Rows for each set seem the same too. If the safesubst line is not needed for any reason, I'm fine with removing, but it seemed important for the Pres set so thought it might be important here too. However I don't know what its purpose is either. Zinnober9 (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

I don't see any problems. Maybe describe what you were expecting, or construct a manual table showing what you were expecting. I added a sample PresRow table to your sandbox, and it looks pretty much the same as the SenRow table. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:10, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I now see what I was missing (Had an internet outage for an hour, so came back to it with fresh eyes and your test/reply). On Brazoria County, Texas and similar articles, the last entry is a parameter filled PresFoot and not a PresRow followed by an empty presFoot as I'd been imagining.

If the Sen tables (at this moment) are typically a single row on articles right now with likelihood of being filled more, I guess it makes sense to change the existing SenRows to SenFoots with edit notes explaining "use Row for all Rows except the oldest, use a filled SenFoot for oldest (final) row".

If I had created both sets and were considering their construction, I think I would have had both footers not accept parameters so that it wasn't potentially confusing for the change when there's a new "oldest" row or a table goes from single row to 2+ rows, but it doesn't bother me enough to go and uproot the PresFoot. And right now I think there's a benefit to them both behaving the same way. If both should be changed to empty Foots, then that would be (I think) a simple bot task once the pages have SenFoots and not |} closing these tables. (It would be a "change SenFoot/PresFoot to SenRow/PresRow if not empty, append empty SenFoot/PresFoot to new line after. Run task once per page" bot task in idea if it were worth changing). Thoughts on that? Zinnober9 (talk) 20:28, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Normally, footer templates like this have no content, just a table end and maybe a note about sources. Having optional content in the foot template that is the same as a row template is confusing. I would raise the issue on the templates' talk pages to see if anyone is watching them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:58, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

I'll do that. If after a week there's no comments, does it make sense to take it to WP:VPR for a wider notice of change, or automatically take it to WP:AWBREQ for a bot request at that point? Zinnober9 (talk) 21:53, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

{{United States Senate election results table footer}} is not transcluded anywhere, so I would remove the content row now and just turn it into a redirect to {{End}}. As for the presidential one, yes, I would strongly recommend changing the template so that it is just an end template and asking for an AWB run (if there is no objection) to convert the current populated Presfoot templates into Presrow templates, then add an end template that is just a table ending. Another problem that could be addressed in the same run is the incorrect list order in articles like Jackson County, Michigan; see WP:CHRONO for more information. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:27, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

I created SenFoot this morning when I realized its absence after looking at the unclosed table lint error on Lawrence County, Ohio. Fixed that with a table closer for the time being, but didn't find that fix ideal and discovered that SenHead stated the intent of SenFoot usage, but that SenFoot didn't exist so figured I should create it. I then verified with PresHead and PresFoot to see if they were equivalent in idea and created SenFoot based on that. I felt I should test it in my sandbox2 before taking it live to make sure it worked as intended before adding it to the 300 pages that use SenHead, but found the Footer worked differently than expected. You came in at this point and know the rest from above.

Is {{end}} a higher ideal than using an "xFooter" for each "xHeader"? I don't gravitate towards using end for cases like these, but I respect it and understand the appeal. I hadn't spotted the WP:CHRONO issue, so yes, that should be addressed at the same time when run. Zinnober9 (talk) 01:17, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Any template that is a simple table closure should redirect to {{end}}. There are a couple of TFDs somewhere that ended in "Merge" decisions. There is no need to have multiple templates with the same code. I see in Brazoria County, Texas that the article uses table-end wikitext markup; replacing that markup with a {{U.S. SenFoot}} that is a redirect to {{end}} would be the most sensible way to mark up that article, I think.

You did everything right except that you got too fancy with the content of {{U.S. SenFoot}}, copying the bad design choice of {{PresFoot}}. Change it to be a redirect to {{end}} and all will be well. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:34, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Ah, {{U.S. SenFoot}} redirect to {{end}}; that's satisfying. Took you to mean using {{end}} on the articles in live usage; I think we are on the same page now. Since SenFoot isn't used in the wild yet, I don't feel it's part of the Request for Comment, so should be fine to forge ahead and change to an end redirect and add to the 300 pages with U.S. SenHead. Thank you for clarifying. Zinnober9 (talk) 01:50, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Just so that it is clear, this is what I would recommend. Using symmetrical template names is easiest for editors to understand. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:14, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

Yup, no question on the end use from that article usage. Only lingering question I have now is if doc gets deleted now, assuming this is correct. Felt odd to remove doc, but similar cases of redirect to end were like that (eg Template:Election box end), and I guess {{end}}'s documentation now covers it. Zinnober9 (talk) 02:33, 15 May 2025 (UTC)

No stated objections to this proposal so far, so I've written up a draft of the bot proposal. Anything stick out that should be considered? I'm on the fence about the (general idea of the) paragraph in blue. I suspect it would be more effort than worth to run that extra check, (and likely has a false positive rate) but unsure. Zinnober9 (talk) 09:12, 23 May 2025 (UTC)

Guessing this slipped through your notifications while you were away for a few days. If not and you have no comments, that's fine too. Zinnober9 (talk) 19:03, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Posted, thanks! Zinnober9 (talk) 02:51, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Discussion of Template:EuroLeague Playoffs and Play-in MVP

I have created an article about a topic related to the template, which currently includes three references. I don't believe the template violates any wiki rule. Zdremon (talk) 20:55, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

FYI

Genealogics is not a reliable source, since it uses Wikipedia as references.--Kansas Bear (talk) 22:21, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

OK. I don't know what the context of this comment is. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:33, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

You restored the edit of a sock of G M Cupertino here, which included the restoration of references citing the genealogics website. --Kansas Bear (talk) 23:51, 20 May 2025 (UTC)

Clownfish

Hello, would you be able to tidy the citations for clownfish? LittleJerry (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

 Done. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:05, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Template:Talsinieka/doc

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Wikipedia:Database reports/Linked miscapitalizations

Jonesey, is the report generation system smart enough to look inside articles and see if links are hidden by piping? The only reason to be fixing those is to whittle down the report, but some object that that's not a good enough reason. The report becomes much less useful when it's dominated by such things, e.g. as in the case of tens of thousands of US Census related piped links to over-capitalized redirects. Dicklyon (talk) 18:50, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

As far as I know, database reports and queries are unable to see the wikitext of pages. A database dump would have to be used for that, I believe. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:41, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Maybe some way to filter results with a regex search? Dicklyon (talk) 20:10, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Nomination for deprecation of Template:EngvarB

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FIFA code

I don't understand why you refused the edit request. It's enough for the reader to simply click on the flag icon to know what it refers to. Many people don't even know what these codes refer to in the first place. The template edit done by GKFX in November 2021 was a mistake! Also, Crowsus did not ask to add the FIFA code, but rather that the flag should point to the FA instead of the country's article! Hauskasic (talk) 20:25, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

One discussion in one place, please, per WP:TALKFORK. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:16, 27 May 2025 (UTC)

Linter errors

Palazhevitski rural council. Thanks for heads-up. I have already paid attention to your previous edit in a similar article. I just dumped a whole table one of 7 tables from Belarusian census. Now I will slowly process it. I did a similar job for Lithuanian parishes, such as Parovėja Eldership and 300 more :-). Oh boy, what a boring job it was! --Altenmann >talk 03:12, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

P.S. After reading an ugly POV-pushing discussion at Wikipedia talk:Seven million articles I no longer give a fick. Just as well you may nominate them for deletion. Sorry for the trouble. --Altenmann >talk 06:05, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

I have no interest in deletion. Your edits blew up an error report due to a sudden influx of unclosed tags, and I was hoping that you would be diligent enough to want articles that you created to have fewer errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:30, 28 May 2025 (UTC)

Guadeloupean Creole

Hello, I've observed the issue you've had with User_talk:Makyou regarding the repeated attempt to convert Guadeloupean Creole from a redirect into an article. I don't know whether or not there's enough to be written specifically about Guadeloupean Creole beyond what's already said at Antillean Creole to warrant its own article, but do you think it would have been worthwhile to suggest that the user go through the article creation process, creating a draft, so as to leave the redirect undisturbed until the article was ready to publish (should that have come to pass)? Largoplazo (talk) 19:05, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I have been trying to help this person, who I believe has been editing from two different editor accounts and from IP addresses, for a month now. See Talk:Guadeloupean Creole and User talk:Mikayèl Chavriyakouti and Guadeloup Creole and the page history of User talk:Makyou for more. They have not been willing or able to take my advice. You are welcome to try, but I hope you like failure. I think the root cause of the situation is some combination of limited English-language skills and WP:CIR. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:07, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the reply! Largoplazo (talk) 21:10, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

Category:Pages using an unknown contentious topic code has been nominated for merging

Category:Pages using an unknown contentious topic code has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:25, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Good catch, HouseBlaster. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:28, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Tech News: 2025-23

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• The Chart extension is now available on all Wikimedia wikis. Editors can use this new extension to create interactive data visualizations like bar, line, area, and pie charts. Charts are designed to replace many of the uses of the legacy Graph extension.

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Template:VN (on WikiSpecies)

You are great at templates. Do you happen to know why Template:VN is reporting an unclosed div error for pages with any empty parameter or when the template is used with no stated parameters? I'm lost, and Pigsonthewing doesn't know at the moment. I suspect something about empties is terminating before it reaches the end closer div. Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 19:35, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

{{flatlist}} has the closing /div tag inside the #if statement that checks for input. If there is no input, the /div tag is not rendered. I have requested a fix for {{flatlist}} on the English Wikipedia. You can make the same fix on Wikispecies. Put the closing /div tag outside the braces that are immediately to the right of the tag. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

And I assume remove the /div following that within the trailing noinclude as well? Zinnober9 (talk) 22:07, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

My edit request has been declined on the valid grounds that {{flatlist}} with no parameters is actually intended to start a list, and needs to be accompanied by {{endflatlist}}. So the situation is a bit more complicated. It looks like Wikispecies could adopt the same practice; using VN with no parameters requires a closing /div in some form. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:34, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Your second version of {{flatlist}} was accepted, but (other than the invoke statement), it's very similar to the current version on WS that's causing the 26k+ errors from the VN template. Does this now mean flatlist stays the same (or gets the invoke added?), and that VN now needs to account for that flatlist oddness by adding some handler like "if (any parameter is empty) add (/div)" as a last resort line? And what would that look like? Zinnober9 (talk) 04:30, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

VN is outputting an empty flatlist at Wikispecies when there are no parameters. I think I have fixed it in the sandbox. More testcases are probably needed. See https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:VN/testcases – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:27, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, that looks great! I appreciate all your efforts and answers on this. I'm being a little cautious and asking more clarity than usual since it affects 36,500 some pages.

I see Pigsonthewing added a fuller paired case, and I added one case that I ran across the other day. Disappointed my case behaved as case 1 and 2 did, but that's usage error and not a tracked lint error, and behaves the same way before/after, so feeling comfortable that the proposed change won't create issues not already present, and the other stated testcases all work as expected. VN and/or Flatlist probably will need a Cat page for unrecognized parameters on transcluding pages so they can later be found/corrected, but I won't worry about that just yet. Zinnober9 (talk) 08:17, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Template

Hi there, I created the template for the Central American Highway shield, but I wasn't sure if it was already created, if so, my apologies. But if it's not, is it possible to add "Central America" to country, because if I put CA in the country parameters it'll show Canada. Vrysxy! (talk) 20:57, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

You should be able to just modify the /NIC templates to do what you want. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:26, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

May 2025 GOCE drive awards

		The Modest Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copy edits totaling over 4,000 words (including bonus and rollover words) during the GOCE May 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 05:03, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

		Guild of Copy Editors Leaderboard Award: Total Articles, 4th Place
		This Leaderboard Barnstar is awarded to Jonesey95 for copyediting 16 articles during the GOCE May 2025 Backlog Elimination Drive. Congratulations, and thank you for your contributions! Dhtwiki (talk) 05:03, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikispecies quirks

Got a few remaining quirky things on Wikispecies that are puzzling me if you are willing to help.

• Is there a "TranslateThis" like template that accepts paragraph content? (relates to User:Yuriklim) I'm leaning towards just removing the manual line breaks to use line break tags and clear the HTML5 misnest, but then there's a remaining stripped span tag it's complaining about that is either the anchor parameter, or the en parameter (Clears when either parameter statement is removed) and I'd rather clear both in the same edit. The second use of the template lower on the page ("Links") runs similarly, but is clean.
  
• Would you happen to know why the |bn=গন্ডাড় entry on Rhinoceros is reporting an HTML5 misnest? (only remaining VN related issue)
  
• Does the idea of updating their Template:Lang (ws) to be the same as our Template:Lang (en) seem like a reasonable proposal with little to no collateral damage? I'm sure it would need to be a template change proposal rather than me automatically making it live, but I just don't want to propose something bothersome or problematic on a wide reaching template just to fix one page. The other alternate I thought of is to change span to div in their template.

(Now that I think about it a little longer, would this also solve the Yuriklim issue if I swapped out the template from TranslateThis to Lang and updated Lang?)

• And any idea where the div errors are coming from on Template:Testcases notice and also how to fix the lua error? I updated the documentation page and that cleared the misnested/stripped code errors, but not the divs (the documentation page reported no errors before and after).

Thanks, Zinnober9 (talk) 21:15, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't know the answer to many of these questions, but it looks like the bn misnesting may have been fixed by removing line breaks. You can usually tweak the template using {{trim}} to fix that at the template level, but I haven't looked. The Testcases notice fix was this change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:26, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Great, thank you for the testcase fix. Yep, ShakespeareFan00 figured a solution out after I asked here. I found it odd that was a solution since some other pages had it written in a vertical form and error free. Will look into trim. Thanks for thinking about the others. I'm not too worried about them reproducing, and while I like to think everything's fixable, I know some odd cases just won't be. Just like to ask before accepting defeat. Hope you have a great weekend, Zinnober9 (talk) 19:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Re that award I gate to Trappist...

How do I keep the category from popping up on the talk pages of people I might award it to? If you could just tell me here, I'd like to fix whatever the issue is myself at the page: "User:Shearonink/Longsuffering Patience Award". Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 15:54, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

I already fixed it for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:16, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

Ah thanks. Misplaced Cat... - Shearonink (talk) 12:32, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Redirect Use Kenyan English

A bunch of templates such as {{Use Kenyan English}} state "which, as noted in the article, is the same as British English spelling".

Is the solution to redirect these to "Use British English"? We could keep them around, just as redirects. This would satisfy MOS:COMMONALITY, and does not conflict with MOS:TIES.

Theres not much point having a bunch of templates with no practical differences between them, since while the varieties of English are real, there are no spelling differences which can be used on Wikipedia, as per MOS:COMMONALITY.

What do you think? I could start a shared TfD for all the relevant varieties of English. cagliost (talk) 08:49, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

EngvarB could then be redirected to Use British English. cagliost (talk) 08:49, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Good luck. Please read the previous TFDs for related templates before nominating so that you will know what arguments have been successful and which ones have not. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:11, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Userboxes

Hi and thanks for redirecting those userboxes I made into the right namespace. It was very helpful and I've redirected the rest of the userboxes I've made (there were a few you missed lol). In the future could you please leave me a message on my talk page letting me know you've done that? » Gommeh (he/him) 14:05, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome. I do too many of these fixes to leave notes for every one of the creators. People who receive the notifications in their top bars are welcome to ask if they have questions that are not answered by my edit summaries. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)