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A barnstar for you!

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The Special Barnstar
For not following the herd and listening to emotional manipulation. I applaud you for thinking independently and not following what other people try to enforce on you. DotesConks (talk) 19:10, 22 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:56, 23 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply at AFCHD.

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Hello, @Thehistorianisaac. While your reply to WP:AFCHD#06:24, 21 March 2025 review of submission by Radharani1867 is generally correct, please note that :

  • notability is a property of subjects, not articles. "The article is not notable" is incoherent. The subject may or may not be notable. A more appropriate comment might be "The article does not establish that the subject is notable".
  • I disagree that "any sources are better than none". Unreliable sources are generally not better than none, and sources that do not say anything about the subject are worse than none. (For example, inexperienced editors will often cite the website of a university at the end of a claim that the person attended the university. This is not only useless, but fills the article with irrelevant clutter).

ColinFine (talk) 18:13, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for elaborating. I think I did not phrase it well enough Thehistorianisaac (talk) 18:15, 24 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Regarding your warning on my Talk page

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I left you two replies to which you haven't replied back for two days now. Your warning included making inappropriate edits in articles which does not apply to my case. Please go to that Talk section of mine and revisit your warning pasted there. therash09 (talk) 12:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest
As long as you follow the rules, they can't really do much to you
I will tone down the warnings a bit more though, thanks for reminding Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:48, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Therash09 Done. It's toned down. I have kept some that i think are appropiate, and will not remove any of it any further. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:52, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! I appreciate you revisiting it. I am fine with what still remains there after your Wikilawyering explanation and am not concerned about it because I know that I have been a complying editor on Wikipedia. So, your remark "As long as you follow the rules, they can't really do much to you" is apt. Thanks again. therash09 (talk) 12:56, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Project Wingman or Ace Combat 7?

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Which do you prefer? Polygnotus (talk) 08:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What are they? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 10:29, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://store.steampowered.com/app/895870/Project_Wingman/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/502500/ACE_COMBAT_7_SKIES_UNKNOWN/ Polygnotus (talk) 11:50, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't really play games, you found the wrong person to ask lol Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 2025

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Information icon Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! Amigao (talk) 23:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I sometimes forget to add it or are too busy to add one Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IISS' The Military Balance 2024 page 261 does not verify what is attributed to it in Special:Diff/1289377367. If you're going to add citations, then you need to make sure the content aligns with the sources; yes, that means removing content if necessary. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 21:36, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just saying, would rather not remove everything right now and temporarily puting citation needed templates instead(WP:PROVEIT specifically says doing so is allowed as an alternative to deleting huge amounts of content, and I mostly use citation needed when the info does not violate other policy's). I will try to find more precise references, but the IISS was more of just an interim measure before I found some more precise sources. At least it backs up the original info with what brigades are in the 79th; additionally, artillery, special operations, air defense, army aviation and chemical defense brigades are always numbered after their group army so those we should be allowed to keep; it's just the combined arms brigades which are slightly harder to find sources on Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Update:
Found some sources on history, the combined arms brigades themselves will have to wait a bit Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop icon Your recent editing history at Chinese police overseas service stations shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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@Amigao
I did not intend to have an edit war, and my previous edits have been entirely compliant to wikipedia guidelines and were wrongfully reverted; there was no legitimate reason for my edit to be reverted. May I ask where to appeal this?
The revert was blatantly not in good faith, so I believe it was completely normal to return to my original revision. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:09, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple editors have now reverted you, so it's probably best to start a discussion on the relevant article's talk page about any content in question. - Amigao (talk) 03:12, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Multiple editors" is a lie
Outside of you, only one editor has reverted it, and neither you nor the editor in question have explained why my edit was incorrect. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 03:20, 16 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mostly was just removing outdated/non-notable information and changing infobox; I often forget to add an edit summary considering I'm currently really stressed due to exams Thehistorianisaac (talk) 04:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stop icon Your recent editing history at Public security bureau (China) shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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User page suggestion

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Rather than every editor milestone you have achieved, perhaps only show the highest? David notMD (talk) 04:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thought of that before, but I chose to keep them anyways; May think about finding out how to tidy them up though Thehistorianisaac (talk) 04:33, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@Minorax May I ask why the file was re-uploaded? wasn't my original upload good enough? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:30, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Non-photographs shouldn't be in .jpg, I've reuploaded it as File:Non-commissioned Officer Academy of the People's Armed Police logo.png and removed the white background. --Min☠︎rax«¦talk¦» 08:31, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thanks. Delete my original then Thehistorianisaac (talk) 08:55, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Nomination of List of victims of the 2015 Tianjin explosions for deletion

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Potential SWAT (China) article - additional sources

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Hi Thehistorianisaac, as discussed at Talk:SWAT, an article titled SWAT (China) may potentially be created from a content split WP:CONTENTSPLIT from the article SWAT. If an article was created there is currently only one English language source a 2023 article by Liu and Chen.[1]

It would be beneficial to have additional sources including the following used by Liu and Chen:

  • Li, N., 2011. Reflections on the SWAT team development in a new era. Police Combat Training Research 4, 65–67 ([Journal Info Translated from Chinese]).
  • Shi, J., Wang, W., 2011. Loyalty and fearlessness made the public security soldiers - a chronicle of the development of the SWAT police nationwide. China Emergency Management 11, 2 ([Journal Info Translated from Chinese])
  • Xiao, Y., 2007. Practice and thinking about mormalization of SWAT team police. Public Security Research 6, 82–86 ([Journal Info Translated from Chinese]).
  • Xu, H., 2010. Reflection on how to enhance the SWAT team development. Jiangdong Tribune 3, 55–57 ([Journal Info Translated from Chinese]).

I don't have access to the sources, and they would require translation. Regards, Melbguy05 (talk) 12:18, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask how to find the sources? Certainly will check them out when I have time thoughThehistorianisaac (talk) 12:20, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The journal article did not have links (URLs) in its reference list or include Chinese language titles of the articles or the journals. A search for an English language journal article or a journal normally returns a result in a search engine like Google. A journal article might be free to download or may have to be purchased. Not all journal articles are available online. I'm not sure where to find Chinese journal articles as I am not fluent in Chinese. Melbguy05 (talk) 21:47, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok. I will try to find it but it probably will take some time Thehistorianisaac (talk) 23:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Liu and Chen only discuss the Ministry of Public Security SWAT units in their article and not People's Armed Police units. Melbguy05 (talk) 06:08, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, they are very different, PAP uses the term "special operations", and has far more of paramilitary capabilities.
Additionally, I found info on railway SWAT in china, might have their own section(Railway police in general have an article in chinese but no english article yet). Thehistorianisaac (talk) 06:42, 23 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Thehistorianisaac, have you found any other reliable sources on SWAT units in China either in Chinese or English language? otherwise a content split from the SWAT article to a SWAT (China) article will create a stub article. Melbguy05 (talk) 16:13, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wasn't able to find the above journals, but found quite some sources, and there could be more info regarding stuff like railway, airport and prison SWAT.
Possibly we could have the SWAT (China) be a draft first, as splitting it now would, as you said, make a stub, and if I added it right now it may be a bit too long considering the future split anyways. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 16:31, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The result of the Talk:SWAT#Requested move 20 May 2025 was not to move SWAT to SWAT (United States). If you could please prepare a draft SWAT (China) for me to work on, I would really appreciate it. Melbguy05 (talk) 13:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Currently working on fixing the PAP translations(see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Use of the term "Contingent" for People's armed police) but yes, I am planning to start the article within the next week; I will ping you when I create the draft.
Additionally, I unfortunate was not able to find any of the journal sources (yet), even after trying several potential translations.
On a more positive note, I plan to upload a photo I took of a guiyang SWAT van and also a photo of a Chengdu SWAT Armored Vehicle(Irrelevant, but it looks really cool) I took at Chengdu Tianfu Airport; additionally, I know a fellow user called User:廣九直通車 who has even more photos of police in China, including SWAT. In general, the draft will definitely not be lacking in photos. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:36, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Melbguy05 the draft is here:
Draft:SWAT (China) Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:27, 2 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Liu, Lu; Chen, Li (June 2023). "Demystifying China's police tactical units". International Journal of Law, Crime and Justice. 73: 100595. doi:10.1016/j.ijlcj.2023.100595. Retrieved 22 May 2025.

WP:BLUDGEONING

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Please read the above-linked page and realise why your insistance in responding to every delete !vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of victims of the 2015 Tianjin explosions is disruptive. It's also rude, as you are effectively suggesting they haven't read the article or the discussion before !voting. If you reply to another delete !vote, I'll be forced to seek admin intervention. —Fortuna, imperatrix 09:18, 24 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry man - My first ever AfD(and hopefully last), so i thought I was supposed to respond to everyone. Didn't know about this policy at first. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 09:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Help:Archiving (plain and simple)

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If you get tired scrolling on this talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:15, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks man Thehistorianisaac (talk) 06:24, 28 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
FYI -- I strongly recommend using one of these scripts: Wikipedia:One click archiving to make it easier on yourself. Once you've done that, it's very easy to archive a talk page -- just add {{Archives}} at the top, and then you can go down the page and one-click any section that needs to be archived (I generally do this for any discussion over 12 months old on article talk pages). For my own user talk page, I prefer letting a bot do the archiving, which is a tiny bit more complex to set up but I believe instructions can be found from the link Gråbergs Gråa Sång gave (under the "Templates for Archiving" navbox, I prefer lowercase sigma bot). ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 19:45, 31 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:25, 1 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

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Looking at your recent edits to PLA Airborne Corps articles: please add dates and page numbers (especially for PDFs) with references. The ROC MOD sources look like they were published as part of a magazine or journal; also note these in the references with the relevant data. - RovingPersonalityConstruct (talk, contribs) 11:23, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh ok thanks. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:27, 29 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit warring

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Please make sure your additions are supported by reliable sources at the target pages. For instance, presently there is no mention of Conservatism at the page Xi Jinping faction or at Xi Jinping as such, the inclusion of either of these pages on the Conservatism in China template is inapprpopriate. WP:RS applies to categories just like all other parts of Wikipedia. Thank you. Simonm223 (talk) 12:14, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I remember in previous revisions there were mentions on the Xi page, and overall Xi's policies do align traditionally with more right wing policies Thehistorianisaac (talk) 12:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Presently there's no mention of conservatism on either of those pages. We should not be basing categories that apply a WP:LABEL on the basis of vibes. Simonm223 (talk) 13:33, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understood; There has been some claims of conservatism by sources, though I would prefer to focus on more immediate things I need to do Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:44, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Honestly part of this is back-wash that I've been involved in an on-again off-again dispute with ProgramT regarding their lack of care to sourcing. I mentioned in RS/N that some of these things even seem intuitively correct but are just unsupported by sources, so if the articles have appropriate sourcing for the category you won't get pushback from me. It's just that I kind of need the sources to be there. Simonm223 (talk) 13:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Simonm223
Conservatism in China has adequate sourcing of Xi being a conservative; Maybe he could possibly be added back?
Also by the way(this is kinda awkward, but I have asked it in the teahouse with no responses, and I see you are far mar experienced than me), may I ask if splitting an article where the destination is a redirect requires any extra steps? (See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China#Articles on Chinese firefighting are awfully inadequate and confusing) Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For what you're doing I'd suggest drawing up drafts of the proposed new articles and going through the AfC process. That would help navigate issues surrounding redirects. As for the issue with Xi, I'd suggest you want to make sure the destination page has the appropriate sources rather than a third page. But if the sourcing is, in fact, good you could solve that by adding content to the Xi pages using those sources. Simonm223 (talk) 14:01, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok thanks.
(For the Firefighting split, it is more of seperating two different things who ended up being the same article, as ironically the NFRA article is older than the agency itself, since it was originally about the Firefighting force(China Fire and Rescue) and somehow ended up being about the agency. I likely won't go through the draft or AFC process, as I likely will only need to tweak some of the information since the two are quite similar, as their relation is like the People's Police and MPS. Point is, do I need to go through any extra steps?) Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:05, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know. I don't often do article splits. I'm something of a specialist in sourcing - my comfort area is mainly in identifying new academic sources for existing articles - which is part of why I'm a bit of a stickler for good sourcing lol. But I don't usually come along to an article when it's brand new. 14:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC) Simonm223 (talk) 14:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok thanks. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By the way(sorry for disturbing you), more on your area of expertise, I'm currently working on Draft:SWAT (China) and came across this book/journal(铁路公安特警执法与训练实务 [Railway SWAT law enforcement and training], 2017, from Wang Xuzhang(王旭章) and Li Yandong(李廷东), ISBN 9787565329685 or ISBN     7565329681) from the People's Public Security University of China, however I don't know how to access it, could you pls tell me how? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:30, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You could try Wikipedia Library: [1] That's usually my go-to for academic sources. If that doesn't work then the next choice would be to reach out to your local university about accessing it via their collection. I don't know about your situation but in PEI, where I live, my library card gives me access to any journals they're subscribed to or books that they have in the stacks plus access to inter-library loans.
If none of those work then it may be a trip to Amazon. Simonm223 (talk) 14:37, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Thehistorianisaac (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My pleasure. Simonm223 (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Simonm223
See Xi Jinping#Ideology. Directly mentions he is a conservative. Will add him back to the template. Should I link to the section or to the article? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 15:27, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a bit anxious about using Bloomberg and Time as sources for this and would hope for more academic sources but other than that minor quibble the revisions look decent and I'd no longer object to the inclusion of that page on the template. Simonm223 (talk) 16:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
nvm it was already there again Thehistorianisaac (talk) 16:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that's because ProgramT is much more willing to edit war than I am. I'd rather leave a bad edit up than revert the same thing repeatedly. But thank you for actually putting in the work regardless. Simonm223 (talk) 16:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's fine; As long as the info in the article is verified I think it can be kept up. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 16:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

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For stopping by my talk talk page. As you might have noticed, I am teaching a course which has many Chinese students - but I myself don't speak Chinese. Students translate articles from and to Chinese Wikipedia, and we can always use more people who can check their work, particularly in Chinese, or offer them feedback on the quality of their translation (language-wise). Feel free to watchlist my page and/or comment on any student article that is of interest to you, Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 01:53, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! I certainly will help out to ensure the quality of translation, and maybe add some extra info. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 02:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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