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June 30
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June 30, 2025
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RD: Thio Su Mien
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNA
Credits:
- Nominated by Robertsky (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Justanothersgwikieditor (talk · give credit) and Honda Kira (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: First female law dean of National University of Singapore. – robertsky (talk) 10:27, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
June 29
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EuroBasket Women 2025
[edit]Blurb: In basketball, the EuroBasket Women 2025 concludes with Belgium beating Spain 67–65 in the Final. Emma Meesseman is awarded MVP. (Post)
News source(s): https://www.fiba.basketball/en/events/fiba-womens-eurobasket-2025/news/ebw2025-final-esp-bel-game-report
Credits:
- Nominated by Zafer (talk · give credit)
- Created by ILoveSport2006 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Pelotas (talk · give credit)
Zafer (talk) 20:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Needs more prose particularly on recapping at minimum the games in the last two rounds of the bracket. (eg semi and finals). Masem (t) 20:49, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Note: For those looking for the corresponding male competition, it starts end of August this year. – robertsky (talk) 01:47, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality - pretty much everything past the "Final draw" section lacks prose. The Kip (contribs) 03:27, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment How does this compare in significance to to the other continental tournaments 2025 FIBA Women's AmeriCup, 2025 FIBA Women's Asia Cup, and 2025 Women's Afrobasket?—Bagumba (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- EuroBasket Women is the most competitive of all continental championships, although interestingly none of the European teams made it to the semifinals of the 2022 FIBA Women's Basketball World Cup.
- With being said, and I know page views don't mean much to some people, but this tournament's page views is pathetic; some volleyball tournaments elsewhere had 10x more views LOL. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The nomination does not provide an independent news source and I'm not finding any coverage in mainstream media. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:33, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose both on quality and notability. As per Andrew, no evidence has been given that this is anywhere near the threshold of WP:ITNSIGNIF. In addition, the article is way too much junk tables without any useful prose. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:33, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
(Removed) Ongoing removal: Iran–Israel war
[edit]Nominator's comments: The war is clearly over now. FunIsOptional (talk) (please use ping!) 11:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
Comment That should be settled in the article first, currently it's "ongoing" there per this discussion.Brandmeistertalk 12:43, 29 June 2025 (UTC)- Support War is over. Grimes2 14:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose - Discussion about whether it's ongoing is still underway; one editor can't determine that. EF5 15:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- To be honest, the war is not over, a ceasefire was established on 24 June, that was broken temporarily short after. But now the ceasefire is effective. Grimes2 15:46, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Not all ongoing conflicts are on the ongoing ticker. Bremps... 15:55, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- I’m aware, that’s why I opposed the original ongoing nom. But now it’s up, oh well. EF5 17:54, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The article is getting more updates and readers than the Gaza War, for example. The action just seems to have switched to a war of words about who won and whether Iran's nuclear program was obliterated or not. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support The war/this ongoing event is over, that is what our article notes and what everyone now reports. The event is no longer "ongoing", any updates now are just analysis of what happened. Our section is anyhow bloated the lesser we have the better. Gotitbro (talk) 18:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Yes, we can't assume the ceasefire will hold, but as it stands, it's been holding for over half a week. Sure, the ceasefire may be violated before some official legal resolution of the conflict (if one is forthcoming), but I'd say the war is not ongoing as of now, and that should be plenty of reason to remove it from the box. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support We’re fast approaching a week of the ceasefire holding and the article treats it as such. The Kip (contribs) 23:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - I opposed this removal a week ago as premature. But things have changed. Meanwhile for the entire length of this crisis, there's also been a blurb in the regular ITN. This should never have been ongoing until it fell off the tracker in the first place (when I originally voted against it). I guess that's a lot of flip-flopping area. Nfitz (talk) 02:11, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support It's over. (for now) - RockinJack18 05:13, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Ended. ArionStar (talk) 14:10, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Removed. There's consensus above. And if the war flares up again it can always be renominated if necessary. — Amakuru (talk) 14:59, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
June 28
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2025 Budapest Pride
[edit]Blurb: Thousands have gathered for Budapest Pride, despite its ban by the Hungarian government. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, AP
Credits:
- Nominated by Norden1990 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The greatest LGBT+ march in the history of Hungary, widely covered by international media. --Norden1990 (talk) 09:45, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- oppose nothing significant.Sportsnut24 (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support I think this news item, which is receiving widespread coverage, encapsulates the concept of “Pride is a protest” to an extent that most regularly-scheduled undisturbed Pride parades don’t at the moment. That any Pride activities were politically banned and censured in Hungary, and this exceeded all past ones anyway, I think puts it in the realm of spontaneous/reactionary protest with immediate political impact, and so ITN-worthy. Kingsif (talk) 14:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Thousands? The No Kings protests had millions iirc and we still didn't post them. This one had Greta Thunberg but we didn't post the June 2025 Gaza Freedom Flotilla either. Protests need something special to cut through here. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:05, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - I agree with Kingsif. Sourced and ready as well.BabbaQ (talk) 16:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support The ban makes it significant. A case of moral courage. Grimes2 16:48, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose - Thousands? Really? No King’s had millions and still didn’t get a blurb. EF5 16:51, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per EF5, but No King's literally didnt get a blurb due to it only being notable in ONE country (the United States of America for that matter) And same with this, it is only notable in Hungary. And the supports are forgetting that, 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:8CDD:2D1C:CAC2:3DE7 (talk) 17:51, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Per WP:ITNCDONT - Please do not... [o]ppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive. I don't like the wording on this but it applies here. Departure– (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Did you see the
per EF5
part? I'll step back now, lol. — EF5 18:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Did you see the
- Comment Per WP:ITNCDONT - Please do not... [o]ppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive. I don't like the wording on this but it applies here. Departure– (talk) 17:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support Attendance was nearly 100k, per AP (per the article, above the 35K last year). It appears that this is being reported as anti-government in general, and the article describes it as Hungary's largest anti-government action in some time. Proportionally, that's about 1 in 96 people in the whole country, and I can't recall the last time the US has had a protest that big, especially concentrated in a single city. I don't see any arrests in the article like No Kings in LA. Per WP:WAX, just because one thing wasn't posted doesn't mean another similar thing shouldn't and this is, to me, looking to be significantly more important to Hungary than No Kings was to the US. Article is also up to main page quality. Departure– (talk) 17:56, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Departure–, over 500 were arrested during the L.A. protests and No King's, which combined (or not combined) were the third largest in United States history. — EF5 17:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- I phrased that weirdly. I knew folks were arrested there, and that's why I specified LA; the article on Budapest says explicitly no arrests. Departure– (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'd personally say nobody being arrested makes an event less significant in this context, but that's just me. — EF5 18:02, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- I phrased that weirdly. I knew folks were arrested there, and that's why I specified LA; the article on Budapest says explicitly no arrests. Departure– (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Departure–, over 500 were arrested during the L.A. protests and No King's, which combined (or not combined) were the third largest in United States history. — EF5 17:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, No Kings was bigger and we didn't post that. Not all protests are ITN worthy. History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. I think it would be worthwhile to have an article for the 2025 event that could make this nom a little better, personally. Obviously not a requirement, but I think it would be nice. In regards to notability, I really think the comments here about the number of people at the event are not helpful. Not only is this only partially a protest we're talking about, numbers don't directly define the impact and viability of civil resistance. The difference between No Kings and something like this is the specific intent - the direct goal of anyone attending this event for the purposes of protesting is doing it because they disagree with Hungary's pride ban. It sends a very direct message; not just "we're unhappy", but "we're unhappy about this in particular". Does this mean there is so much more likely to be an impact, perhaps not, but I'd wager the likely impact is a ticket higher. Just my 2c perhaps. DarkSide830 (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support why are people comparing with No King's protests? Those protests were loosely organised and tiny for a country of over 300 milion where BLM protests lasted months. They also had no widespread or political support and the Republicans didnt even acknowledge their existence. Also not everything has to be about or compared with the US, there's already an oversaturation of US news, including global headlines such as "Trump used the f word on live TV" for example. Besides even if one believes it should have been posted, we are not here to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS; are we going to oppose every protest now unless there's mass casulties involved? For the Hungarian protest, the scale in comparison and the fact it was explicity forbidden beforehand and has popular opposition support, has widespread political implications for Orban's decreasing authoritarian grip on power. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
and tiny for a country of over 300 milion
- It was the third largest in US history. — EF5 20:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)- That's only if you sum them all up, individually they weren't very big or impactful for that matter Abcmaxx (talk) 21:57, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, that's kind of how nationwide protests work. — EF5 16:19, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's only if you sum them all up, individually they weren't very big or impactful for that matter Abcmaxx (talk) 21:57, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Can we please stop comparing everything to the United States of bloody America? The two protests (whilst involving a similar percentage of each countries' population) are completely different things. Did Trump ban the No Kings protest and threaten to send organisers to jail? Black Kite (talk) 20:18, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- FWIW, he is now [1] Masem (t) 20:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment No comment on whether this is suitable, yet, but it seems odd that the event, which has a page about the (seemingly) annual occurrence overarching event (if it is annual, it was missing several years from 2009 to now), but the details of this event are on the page about the law. I would also argue that the content above the event may be overly detailed for what should be an encyclopedic summary (including the name of every notable person that participated, even if noted by a RS, isn't a good summary of the event, and bulks up the article.) Masem (t) 20:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Standard protest march, nothing really special. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 20:43, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Not seeing any evidence that this is a transformative event. Well attended parades, protests etc don't usually meet the high bar of a blurb. Thriley (talk) 20:46, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per EF5 - clear precedent for not posting this kind of thing, and no lasting impact. — Amakuru (talk) 20:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Amakuru - very proud of these Hungarians for embarrassing Orban's regime, but there's pretty clear precedent to not post protests/marches at ITNR unless they hold some sort of special notability or absolutely monumental scale. Agree with the comps about how people were against posting the No Kings protests. The Kip (contribs) 03:26, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support The protest is a proportionally large anti-government action (about 1 in 96 people participating, according to Departure-), is being covered by the media, is made significant by the ban, and the article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Departure and MtPenguin. Worldwide coverage and a disproportionately large protest including recordbreaking numbers for Hungary. "There were more people who attended a protest in a country of 300,000,000" is both a WP:OTHERSTUFF argument and also ignores the basic principle of relative population size: there are more people in the United States than there are in Hungary, so definitionally a smaller protest in Hungary could include a higher proportion of the country's population - in that way having a higher impact on Hungarian society even despite being less attended numerically than No Kings. ITN is not a WP:CRYSTALBALL, but this is a widely covered event with significant social impact. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 06:43, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Dave Parker
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SportsNet, MLB, NY Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Abebenjoe (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Baseball hall of fame player and World Series champion in 1979. Article is C-level and seems to be adequately referenced Abebenjoe (discuss) 23:43, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- A few sections missing refs. Natg 19 (talk) 00:12, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- References should be fine now. Article updated.– Abebenjoe (talk) 08:37, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Article is well-written and sourced as noted. Jusdafax (talk) 10:44, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article looks good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
RD: D. Wayne Lukas
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Courier Journal
Credits:
- Nominated by GorillaWarfare (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American Hall of Fame horse trainer. Article was already in pretty good shape, I gave it a little cleanup. GorillaWarfare (she/her • talk) 19:11, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
June 27
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June 27, 2025
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Congo–Rwanda peace agreement
[edit]Blurb: Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda sign a peace agreement ending the conflict between them. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Democratic Republic of the Congo and Rwanda sign a peace agreement.
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Important conflict being ended. ArionStar (talk) 20:59, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- comment rmove "ending the conflict between them" and re-word. This has happened before by angola (failed) and someone else i can't remember. Would need to add the minral element by state.Sportsnut24 (talk) 21:35, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- support altblurbSportsnut24 (talk) 21:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support The signing of a peace agreement is notable, and the article is of sufficient quality for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 05:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose As explained above, there's a repeated history of the DRC and Rwanda agreeing such deals which fail because they don't get major parties like M23 on board. CNN reports "
However, the rebel coalition Alliance Fleuve Congo (AFC), of which M23 is a key member, told CNN it did not participate in the US-brokered peace process between the Rwandan and Congolese governments, but was instead committed to a separate negotiation process mediated by Qatar in its capital Doha.
" The main novelty this time seems to be the involvement of the US so Trump can claim some mineral rights and lobby for the Nobel peace prize again. I reckon we need to see what happens on the ground. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC) - Support - article is ready. And this is a historic agreement.BabbaQ (talk) 08:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Historic? It doesn't have a separate article. It's just a section in an article which goes back to 2022. The article records previous agreements between the DRC and Rwanda in July 2022, November 2022 and November 2023. The article describes this latest deal as "preliminary". That may because there are still peace talks taking place in Doha with AFC/M23, as this agreement recognizes. This still seems quite ongoing and so the verdict of history is pending.
- Moreover the article is clearly not ready as it has had an orange banner tag since April.
- Andrew🐉(talk) 09:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait Per above. There is no definitive proof that this will ultimately end the current conflict. NotKringe (talk) 10:50, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait/Oppose, very unlikely to end the conflict, we should only really blurb a deal that involves M23. Rwandan troops aren't even leaving DRC. We don't have the full details but it looks like a farce Kowal2701 (talk) 19:10, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait for the same reasons we rejected posting the Iran/Israel ceasefire immediately - we need to see if it actually holds. The Kip (contribs) 03:23, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Shefali Jariwala
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNBC TV18
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:8D0C:7F13:7C81:5D9D (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Niasoh (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Indian actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:8D0C:7F13:7C81:5D9D (talk) 10:10, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support The article has already been substantially improved. The lead has been rewritten, the structure refined, and multiple reliable sources including regional-language references with English translations, have been added. Veritasphere (talk) 17:55, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Article now is expanded and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 17:59, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- There is a reference for the date of birth, but I can't see where the date is in that reference. Schwede66 08:52, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Added source.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:10, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Did you perhaps miss the references already provided in the Early life and education section? The date of birth is supported there. Veritasphere (talk) 10:07, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should have said:
There is a reference for the date of birth in the infobox, but …
Schwede66 19:18, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I should have said:
- Did you perhaps miss the references already provided in the Early life and education section? The date of birth is supported there. Veritasphere (talk) 10:07, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support per Veritasphere. Ready for posting. Jusdafax (talk) 10:48, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:26, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
RD: Ocasional Talento
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Urgente
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Fixer88 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Bolivian rapper. Fixer88 (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Sourced and ready. --BabbaQ (talk) 08:44, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Takahiro Shiraishi
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
BabbaQ (talk) 06:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Article is long enough and fully sourced. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - per QuicoleJR. Jusdafax (talk) 13:48, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- I couldn't see where the date of birth is referenced. Schwede66 08:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Added source.--BabbaQ (talk) 09:10, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 19:49, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
June 26
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June 26, 2025
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(New) RD: Carolyn McCarthy
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by GhostStalker (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Y2hyaXM (talk · give credit), Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit) and Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: New York Congresswoman, gun control advocate. GhostStalker (Got a present for ya! / Mission Log) 20:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
(Ready) RD: Lalo Schifrin
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by Ollieisanerd (talk · give credit)
- Created by Khanartist (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 2600:4040:22AC:9C00:8AE:EBA3:D424:B73F (talk · give credit) and NathanielTheBold (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Argentine-American composer. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 21:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Some of the biographical section matches the Hollywood Walk of Fame website word-for-word. This wording has been on the Walk of Fame website since at least 2011 [3] and was added to the article in 2005 [4] so I'm not sure who copied who. Vladimir.copic (talk) 00:10, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's what happens when you have a project full of people incessantly babbling away on project and talk pages because they don't give a shit about content. Sure not interested in hearing reactionary bulldada about it now. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure why this barb is directed at me. I was specifically trying to improve the content in this instance. Vladimir.copic (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- RadioKAOS seems to be burnt out and so prone to such rants. Vladimir shouldn't take it personally and I thank him for taking the trouble to study the content and comment.
- My impression is that the text at the Walk of Fame was taken from us – the way it appears in italics seems to indicate that it was pasted. In any case, it wasn't well sourced and so needs work. I found a good interview which shed some light on his early life and have amended that section to correct a name in line with the source. Such drift will make the issue unimportant.
- The subject is quite interesting as a major popular composer and it's a shame that the topic has been neglected. The point of the rant is that we should be doing more to improve the content rather then just complaining. Perhaps Gerda Arendt or some other musical editor might take an interest in this impossible mission....
- Andrew🐉(talk) 12:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- I will look (tomorrow), but am not familiar with him nor the musical genres he was best in. I agree that the wording was probably copied to the other site. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- I looked: it's not hopeless, but I can't do it alone. Many facts are not referenced, and the language - as indicated below - is not always neutral. Help wanted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- I am through copy-editing. Anybody to use Washington Post? I go by Variety that I can see. To do:
- * His first two Grammies appear only in the table, not in the prose.
- * Marquis de Sade, same
- * Header Jazz composer includes move to Hollywood (1963) and becoming American (1969), - should be reordered, I guess --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- * Do we really need all these labels in the infobox?
- * How about some awards there?
- * The lead has many film scores that don't appear in the body (but only in the lists and tables). It misses influences such as Paris Conservatoire and Gillespie.
- * I'm not sure that we need the long but rather plain quote from the Lifetime Award there.
- * A section about his classical work is missing.
- * I went over the refs. Some were lost, others not independent. While some of these were only duplicate, other facts are now without ref, on top of those missing at the start. - I'll return to my projects for now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Not sure why this barb is directed at me. I was specifically trying to improve the content in this instance. Vladimir.copic (talk) 06:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- That's what happens when you have a project full of people incessantly babbling away on project and talk pages because they don't give a shit about content. Sure not interested in hearing reactionary bulldada about it now. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 02:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support The section about the Collaboration with Rod Schejtman reads like a puff piece and was edit-warred in after reversion as such. Note that the subject is WP:VITAL as they were responsible for many memorable works such as the Mission Impossible theme. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:52, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- I reduced the tone of the section, please check again, and watch, Andrew. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- I'm updating my !vote to support as Gerda has improved the article significantly and it's reasonably respectable now. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- I reduced the tone of the section, please check again, and watch, Andrew. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Looks ready. Thriley (talk) 01:38, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- The source does not verify the date of birth; just the year. Schwede66 08:38, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
RD: Bill Moyers
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 20:07, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Not yet ready There are multiple CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:58, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support no CN tags that I can see at the moment. Article looks good to go. Scuba 15:44, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Takutai Tarsh Kemp
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 1 News
Credits:
- Nominated by Schwede66 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by idiosyncritic (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The reference says that Te Pāti Māori MP Takutai Tarsh Kemp has died, 1News understands
, but it has a Tweet from the leader of the opposition who is passing on his condolences. Schwede66 21:31, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- The source above has been updated with confirmation of the death from the deceased member's party. Additional reporting indicates that the Speaker of the House has been officially notified. —idiosyncritic 22:56, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - no issues. Sourced and ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 08:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support quite shocking, article looks great and ready to go. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:41, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 06:11, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: John Casani
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASA
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Hawkeye7 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Astros2013 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Space explorer; project manager of the Voyager, Galileo and Cassini projects. Article is in fine shape, fully referenced. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:02, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Jusdafax (talk) 04:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - sourced. And ready.BabbaQ (talk) 08:06, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 08:17, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Richard Gerald Jordan
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News
Credits:
- Nominated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Larry Hockett (talk · give credit)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Longest-serving man on death row in Mississippi Bloxzge 025 ツ 8:10 PM, 25 June 2025 (EDT)
- The second-last paragraph requires a citation. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:29, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
Done Jahaza (talk) 22:41, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support A good article about a bad person. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support I see no issues here. Sourced and ready.BabbaQ (talk) 07:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 08:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
Kenyan protests
[edit]Blurb: In Kenya, nationwide anti-government protests against president William Ruto leave at least sixteen people dead and over 400 others injured. (Post)
News source(s): CTV News The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloxzge 025 (talk · give credit)
elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 19:01, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait/Weak Support on Notability. Very short article at the moment, however considering that there is 16 fatalities now, I would definitely strongly support once the article is better. 24.77.127.72 (talk) 19:30, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now Stub. ArionStar (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait to see if protests have far-reaching consequences and/or get more media coverage. –DMartin 22:10, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Like the idea but oppose this should get on ITN... eventually... but right now it is in bad shape. Scuba 00:06, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability as the amount of casualties is huge but oppose on quality as the article is a stub and needs to be improved. Bloxzge 025 (talk) 00:40, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 02:44, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support on notability, oppose on quality per above. Notable event but the article is as barebones as it gets. The Kip (contribs) 07:25, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose ITN didn't post June 2025 Los Angeles protests or the No Kings protests even though those articles are much more substantial. There are always protests happening somewhere about something so we need a fairly high bar per WP:SOAP. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Ridiculous comparision, 16 people have been killed here. Talk about "substantial". Gotitbro (talk) 10:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Exactly; these were violent protests, the ones in the US were first the most part peaceful with some minor flareups (unless you were watching FOX news, which made it look like a warzone), but no one died. Masem (t) 12:13, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- 16 is not unusual for Kenya where extrajudicial killings by police are commonplace. See Amnesty, AFP or IJM, for example. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:34, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:CONTEXTMATTERS. This is during a protest we are not listing a litany of killings in an year or so. Gotitbro (talk) 07:47, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- The Amnesty report I cited provides lots of analysis and context. For example, on the cover it has "IMLU documents 67 cases of extrajudicial executions following brutality meted on protesters by police in a demonstration of impunity". That report was in 2023. This incident took place on the anniversary of similar protests in 2024 which were worse. This is regular and has been going on for years. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- We would obviously post a protest article in which 60 people were killed if it would be nominated here, so I am not sure what you are arguing for here. Your original contention was based on a dubious comparison with the peaceful anti-Trump protests. If we go by your rationale and a mass shooting happened at one of these we wouldn't be posting because it would be "not unusual" and "regular". Time to move on from fallacious WP:OTHERSTUFF rationales. Kenya is not a war zone and despite human rights abuses by security forces, we can judge a nomination for a standalone protest. Gotitbro (talk) 09:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- We already posted a related item last year. There were more deaths at that time but the key feature which got it posted was that the protestors stormed the parliament and set it on fire. This year's encore was not so dramatic. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:55, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- We would obviously post a protest article in which 60 people were killed if it would be nominated here, so I am not sure what you are arguing for here. Your original contention was based on a dubious comparison with the peaceful anti-Trump protests. If we go by your rationale and a mass shooting happened at one of these we wouldn't be posting because it would be "not unusual" and "regular". Time to move on from fallacious WP:OTHERSTUFF rationales. Kenya is not a war zone and despite human rights abuses by security forces, we can judge a nomination for a standalone protest. Gotitbro (talk) 09:35, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- The Amnesty report I cited provides lots of analysis and context. For example, on the cover it has "IMLU documents 67 cases of extrajudicial executions following brutality meted on protesters by police in a demonstration of impunity". That report was in 2023. This incident took place on the anniversary of similar protests in 2024 which were worse. This is regular and has been going on for years. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:39, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:CONTEXTMATTERS. This is during a protest we are not listing a litany of killings in an year or so. Gotitbro (talk) 07:47, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Ridiculous comparision, 16 people have been killed here. Talk about "substantial". Gotitbro (talk) 10:56, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Would support, protests against a country's head of state which have resulted in significant deaths, but the article's barely a stub. Gotitbro (talk) 10:58, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I’ll see if I can touch upon this article later today, and if I do manage to revamp it, I’ll add in a support. No promises, though. PrimalMustelid (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
Armenian coup attempt
[edit]Blurb: Archbishop Bagrat Galstanyan who led the 2024 Armenian protests was arrested for plotting a coup against the government of Nikol Pashinyan (Post)
News source(s): Reuters Associated Press al Jazeera
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Scu ba (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sportsnut24 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Foiled coup is still notable, we reported on the 2024 protests, feel like if that qualifies this qualifies too Scuba 20:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Undecided on notability at this time (situation still unfolding/evolving), but I do not think the current blurb is NPOV. Both our article and most of the reliable sources refer to it as an “alleged” coup attempt. Other reliable sources don’t even refer to it as a coup and instead call what has happened an authoritarian “crackdown” on the opposition: 1. The blurb probably should not call it a coup in active voice. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 21:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- nikol explicitly said that was the reason.Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose There's a political conflict between the church and government which is resulting in a variety of wild allegations:
- The competing claims don't seem very reliable and they don't seem more significant than the internal politics of other countries. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:32, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- I mentioned in the talk page to potntially momv it to opposition crackdown.Sportsnut24 (talk) 16:04, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- strong support the regime has never been worse and doing more than in the previous protests.Sportsnut24 (talk) 15:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose per Andrew (which I can't believe). Seems to be just allegations for now, with little concrete proof. The Kip (contribs) 06:06, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
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2025 Irapuato shooting
[edit]Blurb: A mass shooting at a festival celebrating the Nativity of John the Baptist in Irapuato, Guanajuato, Mexico, kills twelve people. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)
- Created by EF5 (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: High death toll incident in Mexico. ArionStar (talk) 13:34, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Usually I'm one to oppose shootings but mass shootings outside of America usually aren't very common, especially when the death toll is over ten. EF5 13:50, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support article looks in good shape, and it is a notable mass casualty event worthy of ITN. Scuba 15:43, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Clark Olofsson
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by BabbaQ (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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BabbaQ (talk) 10:30, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Appropriate depth, fully referenced. SpencerT•C 06:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 10:13, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
RD: Bobby Sherman
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times AP News Washingtonpost TOI The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:49B4:EF4D:80DD:3651 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by ItsShandog (talk · give credit) and Spworld2 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American pop singer and actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:49B4:EF4D:80DD:3651 (talk) 04:41, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Needs a lot more sourcing. Natg 19 (talk) 06:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Multiple footnote-deficient paragraphs. Much of Discography unsourced. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 10:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Soft oppose discography is missing any citations, a couple paragraphs in the main body too. Scuba 15:42, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) Remove ongoing: Iran–Israel war
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Nominator's comments: The article has been changed to the past tense, so I felt that it would be an appropriate time now to nominate for removal. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 18:47, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose - Lmao?? This is 100% still underway; the past-tense is completely wrong. — EF5 18:54, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose israel and iran are still launching airstrikes Ion.want.uu (talk) 18:53, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait It seems possible that the ceasefire will hold, but it is too early to say if this war is definitively over or not. I have changed the article to use more present tense. Natg 19 (talk) 19:18, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose the article still stated as "is", not "was". As long as the war is written in present tense, this article cannot be removed from "ongoing". Ceasefire may be fragile as well. 103.111.102.118 (talk) 19:23, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait at least a day or two to see if the ceasefire holds. The Kip (contribs) 21:19, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait - I agree that it is too early to say the ceasefire will continue. I’d give it a week or so. Jusdafax (talk) 22:47, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Wait, currently the conflict is de-escalating, however it's still not over, I'd also say to give it around a week V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 22:48, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose It's too early to say the war is ending—Israel and Iran are still carrying out airstrikes. HurricaneEdgar 22:53, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose but allow for renaming to "Isreal-Iran conflict" as that's the more common name. Given both regimes tendency to lie and murder, I'd think that more time was needed; it's certainly very much in-the-news. Nfitz (talk) 00:08, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: While I am not convinced yet that this should be removed, I do think that some of those opposed should review their comments, specifically EF5, Ion.want.uu, and HurricaneEdgar. It will note that the situation was different when they made their comments and that they were right to say that the ceasefire wasn't working, but at the present time I am seeing reliable sourcing that says it is working. New York Times: A cease-fire between Israel and Iran appeared to be holding on Tuesday, as Israel’s military lifted emergency restrictions imposed during the conflict and Iran’s president hailed “the end of a 12-day war that was imposed on the Iranian people.” Per NYT again, it says that The absence of details regarding the deal, confusing wording in Mr. Trump’s initial announcement on social media and differences in time zones may have contributed to the ambiguity over the precise timing of the cease-fire. I do think that whatever issues there were have been resolved and that at the present time the main issue would be a side intentionally breaking the ceasefire. --Super Goku V (talk) 00:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose for now: while reliable sources are clear that the ceasefire is holding, as far as I can tell this conflict is still above the (now mostly metaphorical) fold around the world. Ongoing exists to "maintain a link to a continuously updated Wikipedia article about a story which is itself also frequently in the news", and this article is still ticking each of those boxes. Perhaps a better place to look for space in ongoing is Sudanese civil war (2023–present), which hasn't had a substantive update since (as far as I can tell) June 16th. Ed [talk] [OMT] 04:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: Ongoing in this case doesn't necessarily mean that guns are firing and bombs are dropping (though whether that is still ongoing is dubious), but that the topic is receiving credible amounts of press coverage and the article is still being updated, which it arguably is. Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 04:28, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose/wait per Aydoh8. Seems a little WP:CRYSTAL to remove this now when the level of media coverage indicates it to essentially be an ongoing affair. it is unclear that the ceasefire will hold/the situation remains at a boil. FlipandFlopped ㋡ 02:54, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - For now. I say, give it a week. I feel like we could be back re-nominating it for ongoing soon.BabbaQ (talk) 11:12, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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(Posted) RD: Gérard Lefranc
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LavoixdunordLa Voix du Nord (archived)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by BeanieFan11 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Start class. Sourced. Looks ready.--BabbaQ (talk) 07:55, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- This edit removes from the updaters line a user who has absolutely no edits in the edit history of the nominated article. --205.189.58.95 (talk) 15:03, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. Brief but meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 06:13, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
RD: Mick Ralphs
[edit]Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian The New York Times Variety
Credits:
- Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:98C9:2766:23C2:57ED (talk · give credit)
- Updated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit), Egghead06 (talk · give credit) and Martinevans123 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Founding member of the Mott the Hoople and Bad Company. His death announced on 23 June. 240F:7A:6253:1:98C9:2766:23C2:57ED (talk) 22:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support, it's in depth, and seems of decent quality, aside from a number of unreferenced claims, which should be cleaned up V. L. Mastikosa (talk) 23:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
Not yet ready The discography is unreferenced.--MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:10, 24 June 2025 (UTC)- Very familiar territory here. Most of the albums have their own articles, but this seems to count for nothing. Is Discography large enough to be moved to a separate article? Not sure what the rules are on that. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- This was last discussed at Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 118 § ITNRD - Dealing with unsourced "works" sections. The bio is not WP:TOOBIG to justify splitting. There wasn't consensus at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 203 § Pre-RFC workshop: Expected sourcing requirements for list of works that such list of works is exempt from sourcing. The page shouldn't be compromised merely to fast track an ITN post. ITN is as much a drive to improve articles.—Bagumba (talk) 12:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for clarifying. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:09, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- This was last discussed at Wikipedia talk:In the news/Archive 118 § ITNRD - Dealing with unsourced "works" sections. The bio is not WP:TOOBIG to justify splitting. There wasn't consensus at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)/Archive 203 § Pre-RFC workshop: Expected sourcing requirements for list of works that such list of works is exempt from sourcing. The page shouldn't be compromised merely to fast track an ITN post. ITN is as much a drive to improve articles.—Bagumba (talk) 12:39, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- The "Guitars" section also needs more sources. Otherwise I would Support as well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:19, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- Very familiar territory here. Most of the albums have their own articles, but this seems to count for nothing. Is Discography large enough to be moved to a separate article? Not sure what the rules are on that. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:34, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
- The discography is adequately referenced now. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 13:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
OpposeOrange tags, primarily Discography sect.—Bagumba (talk) 14:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)- I added ref to the ones open, all but two which I couldn't find. I don't know enough about the genre. The sentence that he played in all the two bands' recordings (in the lead) may need a ref. The personal life section is poor, so is the lead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: Thanks! I strike my oppose.—Bagumba (talk) 12:08, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- I added ref to the ones open, all but two which I couldn't find. I don't know enough about the genre. The sentence that he played in all the two bands' recordings (in the lead) may need a ref. The personal life section is poor, so is the lead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support, oppose reasons fully addressed. Note: only 11 hours left to post before it falls off. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:11, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support article looks in good shape, we should squeak it out before it falls off. Scuba 15:41, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
(Closed) 2025 Iranian strikes on US military bases
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Blurb: Iran launches missile strikes on U.S. bases in Iraq and Qatar in retaliation for American attacks on its nuclear sites. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, The Telegraph
Credits:
- Nominated by Jolielover (talk · give credit)
- Created by Rafi Chazon (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Viceskeeni2 (talk · give credit)
- If there is consensus to post this, should it be merged and combined into the existing blurb? Left guide (talk) 19:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose should not be a separate article from the US strikes since this has been said to be retaliation for those. No opposition to adjusting current blurb on the US strikes to add this. Masem (t) 19:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose not every beat in this conflict needs to be documented on INT, especially given that this particular set of strikes appears to be a nothingburger. — Czello (music) 19:09, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, speedy close, and a WP:TROUT for User:Jolielover. Adding a couple more words to the blurb is reasonable enough (but can be discussed at WP:In_the_news/Candidates#(Posted)_U.S._bombs_three_nuclear_sites_in_Iran without starting this discussion. But between the blurb and the ongoing, another bump is overboard. No prejudice in relisting if any side uses nukes in the next round. Nfitz (talk) 19:58, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Czello and others. The Ongoing link is meant to capture less relevant military events such as this one. Khuft (talk) 21:08, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
(Posted) Vera C. Rubin Observatory releases first light images
[edit]Blurb: The Vera C. Rubin Observatory (pictured) releases the first light images from its new 8.4 m or 28 ft telescope. (Post)
News source(s): BBC; CNN; NPR; Space
Credits:
- Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk · give credit)
- Created by Simesa (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: The BBC describes this as a "revolutionary telescope" while CNN says it's "the largest camera ever built". It has been years in the making and today is its official first light. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:32, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support Nice ITN material of high encyclopaedic value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:04, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support, important event and important new telescope. Artem.G (talk) 09:19, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Support, a chance to offer readers a look at a prominent scientific achievement. Randy Kryn (talk) 09:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Strong support; high-quality article with no outstanding citation issues. A certainly remarkable scientific achievement nonetheless, and one definitely worth putting on ITN. - pivotman319 (📫) 10:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Request, can someone edit in the full name of the telescope Large Synoptic Survey Telescope in the infobox caption, it's one of those off-site "edit on Wikidata" boxes and I can't find where the edit would go at its link. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:26, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- I did it. The Wikidata interface wasn't especially difficult but the data structure wasn't obvious. I supposed that the infobox was taking the first entry from the long list of aliases there so I deleted LSST initially and then added it back at the bottom of the list. That made the alias you prefer the first one. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:23, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose The current updated content seems sparse per WP:ITNUPDATE:
—Bagumba (talk) 10:40, 23 June 2025 (UTC)The decision as to when an article is updated enough is subjective, but a five-sentence update (with at minimum three references, not counting duplicates) is generally more than sufficient, while a one-sentence update is highly questionable.
- I have expanded the paragraph about today's release so that it's six sentences and six separate citations. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:08, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Great. Agree with Masem (below) re: unsourced portions.—Bagumba (talk) 12:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- I have expanded the paragraph about today's release so that it's six sentences and six separate citations. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:08, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose on quality Handful of unsourced paragraphs or final sentences introducing new ideas without any source. Support otherwise on significance. Masem (t) 12:10, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- FYI The first images were teasers for the main ceremonial presentation which is going to be streamed soon. It would be nice to post this now so our readers get a chance to watch it live. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:16, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Posted – Schwede66 12:44, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- There is still unsourced material, this needs to be pulled until it's fixed. Masem (t) 13:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- I suspect it might be OK now, Andrew has worked on fixing some of them up, I can only see one obvious citation needed now. What do you think, Masem? — Amakuru (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- There's still a couple unsourced statements higher up like the polishing of the m3 mirror Masem (t) 14:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Let me add that there have been improvement ts since my comment about being pulled so at this point, I don't think it needs to be pulled, but this is yet another recent case of rushing to post amid unaddressed quality concerns (which I raised before it was posted) Masem (t) 14:26, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: You opposed over a "handful of unsourced paragraphs", and I presume the closer gave that little weight because it contravened ITNQUALITY. ("Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable.") This was a good post by Schwede66. Ed [talk] [OMT] 15:54, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Having multiple entire unsourced paragraphs is well below the acceptable quality for main page content, per longstanding practice across the different sections. The guideline you mention allows for one or two citations needed across the whole article but not more than that. I won't speak for Schwede66 but I had rather assumed this was an oversight on his part rather than a deliberate decision to ignore the two objections on quality raised above, generally Schwede is aligned with community expectation in this regard. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 16:29, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: I'm just going off ITNQUALITY as we all wait for someone to codify "longstanding practice[s]". In the meantime, on main page customs I'd invite you to review Pierre de Coubertin, Air India Flight 182, and even June 23, which are all currently bolded and linked in OTD. :-) On balance, this 4k+ word ITN was well referenced. The percentage of unreferenced content was not a real problem. Ed [talk] [OMT] 16:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Well, I've just pulled those first two from OTD and replaced them with Featured Articles. Unfortunate that no-one pointed it out earlier. Black Kite (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Black Kite: Interestingly, both articles easily met the guidelines set out at WP:OTDRULES #4. One could argue that your removal was out of process. So, once again, we're all waiting for someone to find consensus for and codify these longstanding practices. Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Missing citations, even if they aren't tagged, would seem to violate the intent of #4, in that OTD items should represent good quality, though are not required to be GA or FA. Masem (t) 23:22, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: Our B-class criteria does not say 'all content must have an attached citation.' It actually says It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited." Quite frankly, I don't know how you can read the plain text of OTD #4 and come away with the interpretation you gave above. Ed [talk] [OMT] 01:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Where is it said that "b-class" is considered good quality? None of OTD, ITN, nor DYK make this claim that b-class is equivalent to good content. OTD and DYK do spell out that that any content likely to be challenged must be sourced, so like here, that would read to me that a couple unsourced statements are understandable. But when I first commented on this, there were around 7 or 8 such statements, and that's just far too many to consider "good quality" for posting to ITN. Masem (t) 03:04, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: Our B-class criteria does not say 'all content must have an attached citation.' It actually says It has reliable sources, and any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged is cited." Quite frankly, I don't know how you can read the plain text of OTD #4 and come away with the interpretation you gave above. Ed [talk] [OMT] 01:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Missing citations, even if they aren't tagged, would seem to violate the intent of #4, in that OTD items should represent good quality, though are not required to be GA or FA. Masem (t) 23:22, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Black Kite: Interestingly, both articles easily met the guidelines set out at WP:OTDRULES #4. One could argue that your removal was out of process. So, once again, we're all waiting for someone to find consensus for and codify these longstanding practices. Ed [talk] [OMT] 21:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- I guess it would have been good if I had documented my rationale with the "Posted" note. For a very long article, a couple of unreferenced sections isn't a dealbreaker in my view. Sorry for that. Schwede66 22:52, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah that is incorrect. While ITNQUALITY allows for "one or two" citation needed templates, full unreferenced paragraphs are always a deal breaker for ITN/OTD/DYK entries. The quality concerns always need to be addressed or at least agreed by consensus to be moot before the item is posted. Thankfully this was sorted out quite quickly afterwards. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: I can only reiterate that I would love to see that codified. I'm not a fan of unwritten customs. Ed [talk] [OMT] 01:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:ITNQUALITY says
one or two 'citation needed' tags may not hold up an article
, while Masem opposed forHandful of unsourced paragraphs or final sentences ...
, which I also seconded. While we can discuss enhancements and clarifications, ITNQUALITY as written didn't exactly green light a pass of the "handful". —Bagumba (talk) 04:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)- As this discussion is about general principles, I've started a follow-up section at Wikipedia_talk:In_the_news#Quality. Andrew🐉(talk) 22:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- WP:ITNQUALITY says
- @Amakuru: I can only reiterate that I would love to see that codified. I'm not a fan of unwritten customs. Ed [talk] [OMT] 01:55, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah that is incorrect. While ITNQUALITY allows for "one or two" citation needed templates, full unreferenced paragraphs are always a deal breaker for ITN/OTD/DYK entries. The quality concerns always need to be addressed or at least agreed by consensus to be moot before the item is posted. Thankfully this was sorted out quite quickly afterwards. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 23:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Well, I've just pulled those first two from OTD and replaced them with Featured Articles. Unfortunate that no-one pointed it out earlier. Black Kite (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Amakuru: I'm just going off ITNQUALITY as we all wait for someone to codify "longstanding practice[s]". In the meantime, on main page customs I'd invite you to review Pierre de Coubertin, Air India Flight 182, and even June 23, which are all currently bolded and linked in OTD. :-) On balance, this 4k+ word ITN was well referenced. The percentage of unreferenced content was not a real problem. Ed [talk] [OMT] 16:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Having multiple entire unsourced paragraphs is well below the acceptable quality for main page content, per longstanding practice across the different sections. The guideline you mention allows for one or two citations needed across the whole article but not more than that. I won't speak for Schwede66 but I had rather assumed this was an oversight on his part rather than a deliberate decision to ignore the two objections on quality raised above, generally Schwede is aligned with community expectation in this regard. Cheers — Amakuru (talk) 16:29, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- @Masem: You opposed over a "handful of unsourced paragraphs", and I presume the closer gave that little weight because it contravened ITNQUALITY. ("Articles should be well referenced; one or two "citation needed" tags may not hold up an article, but any contentious statements must have a source, and having entire sections without any sources is unacceptable.") This was a good post by Schwede66. Ed [talk] [OMT] 15:54, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Let me add that there have been improvement ts since my comment about being pulled so at this point, I don't think it needs to be pulled, but this is yet another recent case of rushing to post amid unaddressed quality concerns (which I raised before it was posted) Masem (t) 14:26, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- There's still a couple unsourced statements higher up like the polishing of the m3 mirror Masem (t) 14:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- I suspect it might be OK now, Andrew has worked on fixing some of them up, I can only see one obvious citation needed now. What do you think, Masem? — Amakuru (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- What about posting File:Trifid and Lagoon nebulae.jpg as the main image? Bremps... 05:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- This has been done. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
- There is still unsourced material, this needs to be pulled until it's fixed. Masem (t) 13:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Fascinating. Grimes2 18:31, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting support with a note, the blurb should state the observatory is in Chile. --Bedivere (talk) 05:50, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Concur on that point and have added it to the blurb. - Fuzheado | Talk 09:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Much appreciated. Bedivere (talk) 18:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Concur on that point and have added it to the blurb. - Fuzheado | Talk 09:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting support ArionStar (talk) 23:02, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Post-posting support I’ve reviewed the diffs, and I think the article was good enough to be posted at the time it was elevated to the main page (and it remains so). FlipandFlopped ㋡ 13:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)
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