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Norway

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Helge Mathisen

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Helge Mathisen (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Mostly based on a personal website and a database, lacks reliable indepth sources to establish notability. Fram (talk) 16:36, 5 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you elaborate as to what parts need more referances? I have found more sources for his service, but naturally his early and late life is not much covered by other sources than helgemathisen.com LillaRis87 (talk) 06:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. We need independent, non-database reliable sources which give significant coverage to him. Some newspaper articles about him, a chapter or some pages in a book, ... It doesn't need to cover his whole life, though it should be about more than one event normally (see WP:BIO1E, but that doesn't seem to be the issue here). Fram (talk) 08:01, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thank you. I will look, and I'll understand the deletion if I fail in finding anything. LillaRis87 (talk) 14:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Will the sources the site helgemathisen.com use be valid? They are from an independent newspaper. I apologise if I'm posting too often on this discussion, but I want to do this properly. (As I've never been through this proccess before.) LillaRis87 (talk) 14:07, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have some examples? Fram (talk) 14:13, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.helgemathisen.com/kilder is the page where helgemathisen.com lists it's sources. They are independent newspapers like "Tromsø Avis", a newspaper based in Tromsø and a few other sources. LillaRis87 (talk) 14:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, that helps. First one seems to be about him, so looks like a good source to establish notability. As far as I understand them (but feel free to correct me), second and third are more about the regiment in general, with some attention to him but a lot about others? The fourth one doesn't count for notability, it's the family posting an obituary (again, if I see it correctly).
Perhaps merging this article to No. 331 Squadron RNoAF or starting an article specifically on the squadron during WWII, with some info on Mathisen included, may be a good solution? In any case thank you for helping to think about this and to get all available info in here. Fram (talk) 14:37, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first is about Helge, the second is about the boat Helge took to England, the third is pretty 50/50 about him and the 331 Squadron, and the fourth is an obituary by his family, yes. I'm not sure if I should maybe remove the parts with limited sources/evidence, and add the new sources, or if I should merge it. I'm new to wikipedia, and I'd like you to make the choice. LillaRis87 (talk) 16:04, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm also wondering if I have to delete the sources listed under the sites not good enough, if so, I'll be happy to do so. LillaRis87 (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have consolidated the references somewhat, and added author names to some. It seems that so far, we have two independent sources - the Nordlands Fremtid article from 1965, and the Tromsø Avis article from 2005. Both are in the article as scans of the original articles. I think they're independent, secondary sources, although I don't know Norwegian, so I'm not sure - the 1965 article may be Mathisen's story in his own words, so not independent or secondary. The warhistoryonline source is based on family information, so isn't independent either. Unless there are more independent, secondary sources, it's not looking like there's enough for a stand-alone article. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:45, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    The articles listed in the sources page for helgemathisen.com are all fully independent except for the last one, which is not independent whatsoever. (Of the four articles, all the other sources are lost.) LillaRis87 (talk) 20:33, 7 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Could I not remove the parts only covered by personal sources and keep what's also covered by independent ones? LillaRis87 (talk) 16:00, 9 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete reluctantly, as it's really hard to tell whether he is notable, but based on the sources which are available I don't think we're quite there yet. The articles are all from his hometown. There may be good coverage in the books, but the website also tells exactly where he's mentioned and without access I'm not sure we can assume? The other thing though is this is nowhere near a firm delete - we could easily keep this on the assumption the book sources are good enough to pass GNG, especially the second book on that website where he has 13 pages of coverage, so the closer should treat this !vote lightly if others advocate for it to be kept or if new sources are found. This is actually an odd instance where the fact he has a web site dedicated to him hurts as that's all that comes up in my search results and the sources there don't clearly clear the GNG bar... SportingFlyer T·C 03:00, 11 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    So what should I do? LillaRis87 (talk) 16:36, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 19:05, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]


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