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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellany page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result of the debate was page blanked, but kept. Xoloz 23:59, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Pointless creation of talk page, for no legitimate purpose. See page and page history for more. WikiPrez 21:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Suggestion Since this is a perfectly good article, I think stardard practice is to blank idiocy from the talk page, but not delete it. I'll go do that right now. Xoloz 22:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- leave it or blank it but Keep. Septentrionalis 23:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Note:Deletion of this article talk page would be without prejudice for it being used for legitimate discussion of the article, the only affect other than clearing the page (already done) would be to delete it's history. — xaosflux Talk 23:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- OK. Well, this issue seems to have been resolved sensibly. I agree. WikiPrez 23:00, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Quadrillion pool (and all larger number pools)
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The result of the debate was delete (after discounting many, many anons and sockpuppets). rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 03:18, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
- NOTE -- This page has been {{sprotected}} due to vandalism by anonymous users. Input from Anonymous and Very New editors is still welcomed, but should be added at the talk page of this section for now. Closing admin, be sure to check for input there before closing this. — xaosflux Talk 16:55, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Please note the User:Science3456 sockpuppet! (Vote in small font) —Ruud 23:02, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete. This pool is outright absurd. How are these numbers talked about outside the world of science and astronomy?? Georgia guy 14:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Do you think you could have included a bit more information in your nomination? At the very least, you could have omitted that ugly bold "vote" thing. Are you nominating or voting? 61.68.93.85 20:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I think it's not late enough to have so many pools with huge numbers when Wikipedia now has just over a million articles. I think having just a 5M pool and a 10M pool is enough for right now. Georgia guy 20:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Weak keep. The pool is absurd, but doesn't cause much harm and is a little significant. Jet Engines 14:43, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete We did have a debate about these sometime ago, but I think enough time has gone by to reopen the matter. I agreed they were absurd (and unmaintainable, since there are an infinite number of "large numbers) in the first debate, and I still do today. Xoloz 15:42, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete There's no point in having a poll that is that large as there will never be that many articles in wikipedia because as all new articles are added older ones will become irrelevant and uninteresting and thus deleted. This will keep the numbers in check.
- Keep. No harm. Wikipedia fun. Brings together the community. 172.145.236.192 16:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. If I remember, about a month ago a new user created about 5 of these. I say delete the ones that have barely any votes, and keep the ones that have been around for longer than 2 or 3 months. -Whomp 18:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Wikipedia fun, as is the eleventy billion pool 152.163.100.130 19:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I propose a new rule about unregistered Wikipedians' votes on Mfd; see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Georgia guy 19:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- That is a silly rule. Now, kindly bring us ... a shrubbery! 61.68.93.85 20:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I propose a new rule about unregistered Wikipedians' votes on Mfd; see Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Georgia guy 19:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Keep. Wikipedia is absurd. How on earth can an encyclopedia be written by ordinary people. Hiding Talk 19:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)Keep. Per Hiding. I don't see how this can cause any harm and anyway, a little ambition never hurt anyone. RicDod 20:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)- For anyone voting, here is the Wikipedia pool chronology that I wanted:
- After Wikipedia reaches 1M articles, the 2M pool is closed and a 10M pool is open.
- After Wikipedia reaches 2.5M articles, the 5M pool is closed and a 20M pool is open.
- After Wikipedia reaches 5M aritcles, the 10M pool is closed and a 50M pool is open.
- After Wikipedia reaches 10M articles, the 20M pool is closed and a 100M pool is open.
And so on. However, the many pools some Wikipedians have been creating is much more absurd thing. Georgia guy 20:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I agree, having a Quadrillion pool is a bit silly. But it's harmless, fun speculation. Once upon a time the million article pool would have looked silly too. 61.68.93.85 20:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete/BJAODN all of these pools, if the encyclopedia ever got that large it would be in ammount of time that all editors betting on these pools would be long gone. — xaosflux Talk 22:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Added or BJAODN. — xaosflux Talk 03:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. These pools are very interesting. StuRat 06:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - I'm all for these pools, but I think anything after the Trillion Pool is a bit much. If these things don't go unchecked, we could see a Googolplex Pool or a Graham's Number Pool (Note: these two events could never occur, as there are fewer particles in the universe than either number, thus there can never be enough bytes of data to store these articles. What I'm saying is, don't try creating them). Timrem 23:57, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- By the way, this is the list of all huge-number pools I've found. Let's end the madness! Timrem 00:14, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Again, more pools. When I checked them, they each only had 1 vote, the creator of the pool. Timrem 21:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep per above. Fomz 00:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Which vote above?? Georgia guy 00:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- The vote by User:Hiding Fomz 00:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Which is very ridiculous! Encyclopedias are supposed to be reference materials. Georgia guy 00:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is on the namespace, not the article space, and is therefore part of the community side of wikipedia. Whilst wikipedia is first and foremost an encyclopedia, it is also a community in a very strong second sense. This page is not in the reference space and does little harm. If the space is ever needed, I can see a reason to delete, or if the problem ever gets out of hand to the point at which disruption would ensue, no problem. This moment in time, I can't see a problem retaining it. Hiding Talk 17:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Which is very ridiculous! Encyclopedias are supposed to be reference materials. Georgia guy 00:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- The vote by User:Hiding Fomz 00:54, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Which vote above?? Georgia guy 00:48, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Strong keep. Definitely silly, but nothing wrong with that. We can use some humor in the Wikipedia namespace. See also m:Category:Humor.
—Simetrical (talk • contribs) 05:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Strong DELETE - There are other silly polls. This is just repetitive and not funny. Beltz
- BJAODN it and all other silly pools (two million pool doesn't bother me though). If people want to add to it after it's at BJAODN then I don't care. BrokenSegue 17:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Strong keep. Wikipedia fun and humor. Free for all 19:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete/Banish to Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense Land. Yes, it's fun, but this page (and the related others listed above) has no legitimate purpose. I suppose it could be added to WP:BJAODN, if enough people agree. WikiPrez 21:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nominator. --Ixfd64 21:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Move to BJAODN or Delete all articles mentioned above, per above. -Quiddity 22:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete all, possibly BJAODN them, all the pools above 5 million. Seriously useless. Stifle (talk) 11:31, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- NOTICE This MFD was early closed by User talk:Who is your daddy?, but has been reopened to continue the discussion. — xaosflux Talk 02:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merge and BJAODN all. Kusma (討論) 02:36, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep reading the fun pool guesses was one of the main factors that got me started on Wikipedia.Maestlin 16:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- I too enjoy reading the guesses on these pools, but there are already enough of them for people to make predictions on. We just don't need to go this high. Timrem 21:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
(Following debate merged from Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:1,234,567,890 pool)
- Wikipedia:1,234,567,890 pool
- Wikipedia:123,456,789 pool
- Wikipedia:9,876,543,210 pool
- Wikipedia: 987,654,321 pool
- Wikipedia:1,023,456,789 pool
- Note merged these back in, as this debate was closed prematurely. — xaosflux Talk 02:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Shoxer has a thing for "pandigital numbers". It seems that even Wikipedians in a silly enough mood to visit the pools don't share his enthusiasm. Some of these are even so close to the million, billion, or ten-billion pools that, given exponential growth, they'd probably happen in the same week. But mostly if we open a pool for every number someone likes, we'll have a whole bunch of pools with one person participating. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 22:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. These pools haven't been open very long. It usually takes a while in any pool for more people to participate. 152.163.100.6 23:10, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete: Unlike the Quadrillion pool and the like, these pools are for fairly arbitrary numbers -- and unlike the eleventy-billion pool, they aren't funny. --Carnildo 23:12, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, especially the 123,456,789 pool. Pandigital numbers are significant. Much less arbitrary than say, a 2,586,496 pool or a 4,956,569,576 pool which I would definite agree on deleting. 152.163.100.6 23:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep the 123,456,789 pool and delete the others. 123,456,789 is actually interesting as it has all the number digits in order. Jet Engines 23:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- It may be self-evident to you, but why does that make it interesting to predict when that article number will be created? As a much less relevant objection, didn't you forget 0 as a digit? Some of those other numbers work in 0; I think they're all about as interesting as each other, mostly because they are all not interesting. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 01:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. A bit interesting. BlackLight 23:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete all, useless and not funny. No reason to keep these just because they are not in article space. Kusma (討論) 23:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
- Weak delete These seem unlikely to draw more than a few guesses. I didn't even notice they were "pandigital" until it was pointed out. Maestlin 16:09, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete or move to BJAODN at best. -Big Smooth 21:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete all. Okay, I'm sold, it's out of hand. Hiding Talk 22:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- You might want to strike your earlier vote, then. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 01:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- I did at the time, but I've removed the bold from it to make that clearer. I still stand by the comment, and I trust that the closing admin would read the debate closely and properly. Hiding Talk 11:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- You might want to strike your earlier vote, then. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 01:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete all. —Ruud 00:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete all. Whilst I don't see a problem with having a few pools it seems that it is now completely out of hand. RicDod 17:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- Note: This debate was closed improperly by the new user Plasbar. I have reopened it. Kusma (討論) 01:24, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Question: Can't we speedy delete all of them as WP:CSD#G5? Kusma (討論) 02:01, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete all, pointless & not funny. MaxSem 11:21, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Oh, for Galt's sake...get the corncob out of your ass. Kurt Weber 01:15, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. No more silly than having a Wikipedia:last topic pool. 64.12.116.130 06:39, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete This is patently absurd. Even if wikipedia had an article for everyone on the planet it would never come close. Delete and maybe consider recreating if and when the number or artcles reaches several trillian. Ydam 11:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- NOTE: Complex vote-changing v here. Please take into account.--M@rēino 14:46, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- This page has been sprotected, see message at top. — xaosflux Talk 16:56, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- The page was closed improperly again by yet another sockpuppet. I'm taking this as a strong indication that we should delete. rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 18:18, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete. — xaosflux Talk 22:38, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Was nominated on AFD, moving here. Nominator's comments below. Stifle (talk) 00:56, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
It's some crazy way of uniting Wikimedia and Wikia projects, but you have to dance through a hoop first. It's completely ridiculous. Why don't we throw Yahoo Groups and Myspace accounts into the mix, a unite the whole darn web. We have meta to communicate within Wikimedia, Wikia is seperate, and it's fine that way. -- Zanimum 15:04, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- well, someone has to say this - Delete per nom. Purpose is unclear, and, yeah, we have meta for communication/coordination between Wikimedia projects. FreplySpang (talk) 12:05, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Been a while since a page has given me a resounding "what the heck is going on in here?" feeling. The title is a bit funny (as nom says), but the article is even weirder: Proposed policy? Membership roster with one name? Joining the "project" - to what end? Basically, this article is misnamed, has a strange structure, and it's also redundant - there already are lists of Wikimedia projects and Wikia projects... --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 13:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Strong Delete per wwwolf. Honestly, I have no idea what this supposed to mean. Why would a "list of projects" have a section for member-editors? Very confusing (and confused) page. Xoloz 13:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. What's a "Wikia" anyway? Was that a typo for "wiki"? Jet Engines 14:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Wikia is the new name for the old Wikicities. Visit them to learn about the fun! Xoloz 15:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Interesting! Fomz 20:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Wikia is the new name for the old Wikicities. Visit them to learn about the fun! Xoloz 15:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. 172.145.236.192 16:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Strong delete. Title was misleading (I actually thought it was a valid page), but once looking at it, i realized it must be deleted. It's promising, but just not good enough to be a page, much less a policy. WikiPrez 21:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom & wwwwolf. Timrem 21:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
- What the heck is going on in there indeed. I have no clue how the page would work, nor what it purpose is; I also doubt that asking users to have to go through that page is going to match the Foundation's issues nor is going to help Wikia in the long run. Delete. Titoxd(?!? - help us) 02:46, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was ambiguous.
The majority opinion is against the use of this page. Serious concerns were raised during the discussion that this could be perceived as a precedent for a non-standard method of citations. Several users further argued that the facts which are being cited are common knowledge and, as such, do not technically require citation either according to our policy or according to the traditional standards of citation for encyclopediae. Reviewing the current contents of the page, I have to concur with that assessment though I admit the possiblity that less self-evident facts might someday be included on the page.
So, returning to the deletion discussion... After reviewing the discussion several times, I do not find the necessary consensus to delete the page. I do, however, find a rough consensus to deprecate the page in favor of more traditional uses of the article's regular Talk page and/or of the regular citation process. Accordingly, I am going to redirect this page back to Talk:United States. Anyone wishing to merge some of the contents of this page to another destination may do so by pulling the content from the page history. I explicitly decline to "merge and delete" because it unnecessarily complicates the problem of maintaining attribution history - a requirement of GFDL.
Please note that redirect decisions are not considered "binding" in the sense that normal deletion decision are. If there is a discussion by the participants of the Talk:United States page which concludes that this will be a useful and sanctioned tool for the improvement of the main article, the redirect can be reversed at that time. If there is such a discussion, I would strongly recommend that the page remain in the Talk-namespace. Sub-pages in the main article-space are strongly discouraged. Rossami (talk) 03:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
N.B. this is now Talk:United States/References. — xaosflux Talk 13:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
INVALID NOMINATION - This is NOT AN ARTICLE. Take it to WP:MfD (or better, discuss it at the WikiProject page.) if you must.(Now moved to MfD, thanks to Sean Black) This is a valid and used method of verifying the facts on a page: see Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check#Separate_.22Sources.22_namespace_or_subpage for a number of examples. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)- Note: The page has now been moved to Talk:United States/References as it is a page for editors to collaborate in verifing the article, not a part of the encyclopedic content of Wikipedia. A redirect has been left, for the sake of this nomination. The redirect will be deleted when this nomination is closed. Please take the new location of the page into account when continuing the discussion. Thanks. JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
This is well intentioned, but some of it is rather comical ('"situated primarily in central North America". Infered from the physical layout of the country.'). Any references which are required should be in the article itself, as for every other referenced article I have ever seen. Delete Sumahoy 01:33, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merge any useful references in to United_States#References, delete the page once done. (aeropagitica) (talk) 06:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merge. A real article should not look like that.--Jusjih 10:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merge and delete per aeropagitica. Kimchi.sg 11:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Comment – Quoting from the article: '"comprises 50 states and one federal district, and has several territories." Based on a count of CIA Factbook entry, Administrative divisions & Dependent areas'. Isn't counting like that a violation of WP:NOR? --LambiamTalk 12:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- It's not an article; regarding WP:NOR, you are kidding, right? JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merge - looks like an amateurish hack bypassing citation templates. --Dhartung | Talk 17:01, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Please explain further; the citation templates(i.e. {{cite book}}, {{cite website}}, etc.) are used to cite references - they are irrelevant to a list of the sources which support the facts in an article, which is what this page consists of. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
*Merge and Delete per aeropagitica. Could even be speedied per CSD:A3 (No content whatsoever: . Any article consisting only of links elsewhere (including hyperlinks, category tags and "see also" sections), a rephrasing of the title, and/or attempts to correspond with the person or group named by its title.) -- ReyBrujo 17:26, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- See above. It's NOT AN ARTICLE. Any of the CSD A items don't apply. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Changing my vote to Keep per JesseW. I need to read about this splitting too. I would suggest adding a link to the United States article to this one, if it is suitable. -- ReyBrujo 22:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- See above. It's NOT AN ARTICLE. Any of the CSD A items don't apply. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merge and delete per aeropagitica. TheProject 19:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Note that this is not an article, and has such been moved to Miscellany for deletion.--Sean Black (talk) 22:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- What are you basing that on? It is in the main namespace, so it is posing as an article and it remains an article unless it can be demonstated to belong to some other established class of page. Scranchuse 00:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- The page in question has now been moved to Talk:United States/References, as it is a page for discussion about the article(albeit in a more structured form than is typical for Talk pages). Thanks for your suggestions. JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- What are you basing that on? It is in the main namespace, so it is posing as an article and it remains an article unless it can be demonstated to belong to some other established class of page. Scranchuse 00:02, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep - This is not an article. It is not part of the encyclopedia, in the same way that Talk pages are not part of the encyclopedia. It is part of a method to make sure the content in the encyclopedia is accurate. By going through the sources listed in the article, and writing down the exact bits of them that back up the specific facts stated in the article, we can make sure that the article follows Wikipedia:Verifiability. It is on a seperate page from the article for the same reasons that the Talk page is on a seperate page - it would take up too much space in the article; it is a behind-the-scenes method for improving our content, not directly a part of the content, etc. Merging it into the United States page is not a meaningful suggestion - it would be like suggesting that a Talk page be "merged" into it's article. Thanks for your attention. JesseW, the juggling janitor 23:04, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Comments: aren't the purpose of the new reference style to prevent this kind of "offline" linking where you need to remember a section of the text to search into another page? Also, this page is hidden from the casual user, this way it serves no purpose. Newbie questions, sorry. -- ReyBrujo 23:11, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your questions. In order: The purpose of the new reference style (by which I assume you mean m:Cite.php) is to allow footnotes to be included inline in the text, so they don't have to be edited in two places. This is good and useful, but is unrelated to the purpose of the Talk:United States/References page, which, as I said above, is a tool for editors to colaborate in making sure that the sources given in the article actually do support each and every one of the statements in the article. As for it being hidden, the page was linked from United States(although someone removed it) and is now linked from the top of Talk:United States, so it should be findable by those who wish to locate it. JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for the answers, they are pretty useful. -- ReyBrujo 04:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for your questions. In order: The purpose of the new reference style (by which I assume you mean m:Cite.php) is to allow footnotes to be included inline in the text, so they don't have to be edited in two places. This is good and useful, but is unrelated to the purpose of the Talk:United States/References page, which, as I said above, is a tool for editors to colaborate in making sure that the sources given in the article actually do support each and every one of the statements in the article. As for it being hidden, the page was linked from United States(although someone removed it) and is now linked from the top of Talk:United States, so it should be findable by those who wish to locate it. JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, and it should have stayed on articles for deletion. Saying that it is not an article when it is in the article namespace is totally wrong and seems to lend false credence to the idea that this is a legitimate way to reference. If someone wants to do this sort of thing, it should be in the User space. Scranchuse 23:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- This is a "legitimate way to reference; and, now, it is not in the article namespace. Please explain what leads you to think it was not a "legitimate way to reference"? What do you mean by "legitimate"? I look forward to your explanation. JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. The necessary referencing should be done in the usual way. Anything else should be deleted. The project should also be deleted unless the people behind it can get a separate namespace created. Golfcam 00:09, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- We don't delete project pages, we, assuming there is consensus for it(which is not shown by one XfD, btw) put {{rejected}} tags on them. And as for trying to reject a useful way to make sure that our articles are actually well-sourced, by colaborating on checking the statements in an article against the sources provided, good luck - I don't think Wikipedia is going to throw out WP:V anytime soon. JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- MfD does delete project pages if they are ill-conceived or mal-formatted; see April MfD debate for "History of the US Timeline". Xoloz 13:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- You are correct. Is this page "ill-conceived or mal-formatted"? If so, please explain further what is wrong with it. I look forward to your response. JesseW, the juggling janitor 18:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- MfD does delete project pages if they are ill-conceived or mal-formatted; see April MfD debate for "History of the US Timeline". Xoloz 13:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- We don't delete project pages, we, assuming there is consensus for it(which is not shown by one XfD, btw) put {{rejected}} tags on them. And as for trying to reject a useful way to make sure that our articles are actually well-sourced, by colaborating on checking the statements in an article against the sources provided, good luck - I don't think Wikipedia is going to throw out WP:V anytime soon. JesseW, the juggling janitor 02:01, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Deprecate, possibly delete Now that this page is in talk-space, I'm not completely opposed to it; however, it should not be viewed as an alternative to the typical (in-text or footnote) methods of citation in WP. Additionally, as written, the page provides sources for items of information at or near the level of common knowledge. (The US is in North America; there are 50 states...) These simple facts are not those which most urgently need citation. The final item on the list is an example of an different class of assertion, that demands citation before inclusion. Xoloz 13:58, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- I strongly agree that this type of detailed verification is not, and should not be viewed as a replacement or alterative form of in-article citation for controversial or disputed points - thanks for suggesting this, I'll add it to the description. As for the page providing sources for "common knowledge", I also mostly agree with this - the introductory section of the article (which is the only section verified by Talk:United States/References) does consist mostly of "common knowledge", as it should. I also agree that such more-or-less obvious, uncontroversial facts are less urgently in need of citation than other, controversial facts.
- However, I strongly reject the idea that the detailed verification of such uncontroversial facts is in any way harmful to the encyclopedia, or that such work is worthless, or that the results of that work (such as Talk:United States/References) should be thrown out, as various commenters on this page seem to propose. Being able to provide clear, written-down specific sources for as many of the statements in our encyclopedia as we can is a Good Thing, and assists us in maintaining the accuracy of our material. JesseW, the juggling janitor 18:50, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- The reason I am somewhat in support of the deletion of this page, and the reason I believe it may qualify as "ill-conceived" (per the above) is that it sets an example I am not sure I'd wish newer, unsophiscated editors to follow. The best investment of their time, if they wish to research, is to provide citations for details outside of common knowledge or for controversial facts. Additionally, they should always provide citations first within the article -- this page is a duplication. It isn't that I wish to "throw out hard work": I don't hate the page, I just worry about the example it sets, especially since I'd imagine "United States" is an article attractive to new editors. Xoloz 16:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- I have added a clarifing and warning section to the page, to hopefully address your concerns. It is not, in fact, a duplication - the facts that are cited in that page are precisely the citations which would be removed from the main article as "unnecessarily confusing the reader", which is why they are seperated out to this page so they don't "confuse the reader". While I am sure you are acting with the best of intentions, I don't think that deleting detailed citations is a useful way to set an example to new editors that researching and referencing is valued. It certainly is making me feel much less inclined to put in my time and effort only to see it disparaged as "comical" and "an amateurish hack". If you are truly concerned with creating a culture of sourcing and referencing at Wikipedia, deleting the work of people who are doing that is not a good way to get there. JesseW, the juggling janitor 18:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- The reason I am somewhat in support of the deletion of this page, and the reason I believe it may qualify as "ill-conceived" (per the above) is that it sets an example I am not sure I'd wish newer, unsophiscated editors to follow. The best investment of their time, if they wish to research, is to provide citations for details outside of common knowledge or for controversial facts. Additionally, they should always provide citations first within the article -- this page is a duplication. It isn't that I wish to "throw out hard work": I don't hate the page, I just worry about the example it sets, especially since I'd imagine "United States" is an article attractive to new editors. Xoloz 16:38, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect. Don't delete. — Instantnood 19:35, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep, a perfectly reasonable way to compile specific citations that do not need to be included in the main article. Christopher Parham (talk) 16:38, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted by SlimVirgin. — xaosflux Talk 13:55, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Yet another userpage accusing a Wikipedian of stalking other Wikipedians. It should be deleted. Jet Engines 02:31, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, Jet, I think this can be speedied, because it's an attack page and the user isn't even editing anymore. If anyone objects, they can always undelete. SlimVirgin (talk) 04:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted by User:Cyde (db-author). — xaosflux Talk 01:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
The WP: space is primary reserved for shortcuts to the Wikipedia: space, additionaly this page doesn't seem to have a purpose as a Project Page even if it were in Wikipedia: namespace — xaosflux Talk 00:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted by Doc glasgow. — xaosflux Talk 13:56, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Mainly here to attack other Wikipedians. It should be deleted. Jet Engines 15:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete under G5, same as below. Xoloz 15:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete attacks. 172.145.236.192 16:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted by User:Doc glasgow. — xaosflux Talk 14:52, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Contains attacks in it's history. I think this userpage needs to be deleted. Jet Engines 15:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete under G5, same as below. Xoloz 15:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete attacks. 172.145.236.192 16:21, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was speedy deleted per G5 (posted by banned user), we've had these before. What's currently there is just {{indefblockeduser}}. --Sam Blanning(talk) 15:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Legal threats against Wikipedia. While I strongly support userpage freedom, a userpage which contains threats won't do. So this userpage should probably be deleted. Jet Engines 15:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was speedy delete as author request. Xoloz 00:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Not used jasker 10:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
- Completed incomplete nomination. Speedy delete: author request. TimBentley (talk) 04:28, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- Done. Next time, just tag the page with {{db-author}}. It'll get cleaned up fairly quickly. Rossami (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Speedy Deleted by Doc glasgow. — xaosflux Talk 13:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
This page was created by a sock puppet and is about me. It uses my image without permission. It is non-sense. Andre Masella 02:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Comment WP:AGF I've blanked this page pending the user restoring it, or this disucssion resolving.
- Conditional Delete, if User:Lordfridginton doesn't vote on this, then delete, if they do then I will need to revote. — xaosflux Talk 02:28, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete irrespective of what User:Lordfridginton does - it appears that this page constitutes an invasion of privacy, and I note that this non-wikipedic material was originally placed in the article space, and then userfied; ergo, the author never intended to have this in his user space anyway. BD2412 T 03:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per BDA. I'm lost for a reason why this was userfied in the first place. While not a personal attack, it is clearly a private joke of some kind, and possibly was speediable while in article space as attempt at communication. Xoloz 13:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Jet Engines 14:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. 172.145.236.192 16:23, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete. — xaosflux Talk 14:02, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, this is a long story. This is an article on a non-notable fraternity chapter, which was userfied (by my request) to the primary author's userspace per AFD. That was on 29 March. The author has had a month to save it elsewhere (he said he'd do it by 8 April), and I've asked on his talk page whether he'd done so. He hasn't replied (but also hasn't edited in a month). So, delete for good in accordance with the AfD, speedy if it's applicable. stillnotelf is invisible 18:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Non-notable.-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:37, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. This is probably a speedy candidate (as it's arguably by user request). Mackensen (talk) 12:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- I was thinking the recreation of previously deleted material criterion, myself. -- stillnotelf is invisible 22:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Jet Engines 14:39, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. 152.163.100.130 19:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Speedy Delete by Doc glasgow — xaosflux Talk 13:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Consists entirely of attacks on other contributors.--Sean Black (talk) 21:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. May be a speedy. See also User:Kmweber/Incorrect Deletions. -- Mackensen (talk) 22:42, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I didn't expect this to last long; I'm pleasantly surprised that it's made it as long as it has. My point has been made--these users are harmful to the project and need to go. This project is too important to allow a few megalomaniacs on a power trip to force their will willy-nilly. As the point has been made, I have gone ahead and blanked the page; there are other, more effective ways of saving the project from these threats. Kurt Weber 23:54, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment. The user is trying to sow discord.-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 04:31, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. I'm liberal with userspace, but making attacks on other users is not acceptable. Still, I must say I found this amusing (that one was quite properly blanked away). Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:12, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- For the record, that link I found amusing is not a Kmweber creation. Sjakkalle (Check!) 14:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Whether or not I agree with Kmweber, this is not appropriate on Wikipedia. The history needs to go, also. — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 19:16, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete. — xaosflux Talk 14:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
This page was used for the creation of Wikipedia:WikiProject Elizabethan theatre which has since been created. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 06:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete It's empty. Xoloz 18:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Empty page. Makes no sense in having it there.:)-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 09:38, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Jet Engines 14:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was keep unanimously. Xoloz 12:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
This page originally coordinated addition of content from Vectorsite.net, whose owner gave his blessing to users who wished to do so. However, the user has since decided that he would prefer not to be associated directly with Wikipedia, although he states that "if they want to leverage off anything I've written, great!". The page no longer has any reason to exist without said collaboration; it provides no useful information or ideas to future editors (as inactive policies or proposals do).
The owner of the website attempted to blank the page himself in good faith, but was reverted. He has since emailed the Foundation information email address requesting its deletion, and I see no reason not to grant his request. // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 03:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
DeleteI favor delete as a courtesy to a former collaborator; however, since the site owner placed his site content in the public domain, he must be aware that anything so posted is still able to be integrated into Wikipedia. Xoloz 15:39, 26 April 2006 (UTC)- Changed to keep per others below. Xoloz 12:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep as historical page. This page prevented me from marking Charles Ponzi as a 2-year-old copyvio, which would have been a huge hassle. I removed all references that might be interpreted as endorsement of Wikipedia. Ashibaka tock 22:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Why would you mark an article as violating the copyright of a public domain source? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- Just because some website says "I wrote this and it's in the public domain" doesn't mean it's true. This page serves as a reference and record of correspondence with the author. Ashibaka tock 22:23, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- Why would you mark an article as violating the copyright of a public domain source? // [admin] Pathoschild (talk/map) 21:13, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
- Keep but modify as per Ashibaka. From the page, there is no reason for anyone to suppose that Greg Goebel is associated with Wikipedia beyond the undeniable facts that some of us have used his public domain material, and that he's not opposed to it. — Matt Crypto 19:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete. — xaosflux Talk 03:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Project Page created by Digimark007_V.2 (talk • contribs) to possilby prevent an AFD disscussion from taking place on KMC - Comic Forums J\/\/estbrook Talk VSCA 14:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Possibly speediable as nearly empty, but in any case, too vague for a proposal. Good-faith product of confused new editor. Xoloz 15:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom; also I wouldn't say it's good-faith, just made up by Digimark007_V.2 to prevent a vanity article from getting deleted.-Whomp 21:17, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. We alrady have good articles and featured articles. We don't need to give them awards. The page is nearly empty and is apparently not a serious attempt to improve the encyclopedia. --TantalumTelluride 01:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. DarthVader 02:47, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing much there. No activity.-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 04:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete — xaosflux Talk 03:00, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Incorrect nomination, moving here to correct. Page was originally placed up for PROD, which, as I understand, does not apply to pages outside of article space. Information from original PROD as follows: user experiment. confusing. no collaboration/consensus. redundant. Original PROD nominator:Quiddity. My personal vote: Delete. み使い Mitsukai 12:32, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete --Terence Ong 13:37, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete If creator wishes to make a policy proposal, let him/her do so. As it is, this gives the appearence of modifying core policy, which could be very confusing. Xoloz 15:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Userfy. Many interesting points, some probably in keeping with consensus, some needing discussion. Not WP policy. Not linked to from anywhere. But could be used by creator as a Wikipedia essay or to contribute to policy discussions on more consensus-driven pages, so don't just delete. By the way, has anyone discussed this with the page creator? Martinp 16:28, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: According to the creator's userpage, he/she closed the account earlier today. No reason given. Rossami (talk) 18:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. as original nominator. --Quiddity 19:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. This article is not a consensus policy but its author(s) appear to want it to be. The Wikipedia community has spent plenty of effort creating introductions to the site, with far more input, and many of these introductions have been tagged with consensus. This article, in trying to undermine the existing and widely agreed-upon articles, is both redundant and disrespectful to the theory of review by large numbers of people, upon which the concept of a Wiki is based.DougOfDoom talk 02:06, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete as a fork of Wikipedia:Five pillars. Amendments to the five pillars can be proposed on its talk page. --TantalumTelluride 01:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Five Pillars of our Wikipedia is enough.-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 04:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- Might be useful as a redirect to the five pillars. -- stillnotelf is invisible 19:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Keep as historical. — xaosflux Talk 02:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hasn't been touched in over a year, and Wikipedia is not a book club. Cyde Weys 01:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete What are we Oprah? Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 01:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Has someone mistaken Wikipedia for ezboard? This is an encyclopedia. To the last voter, I'd say this is a little less like Oprah and a little more like Oprah on South Park.DougOfDoom talk 02:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Now obsolete, never very popular. Xoloz 04:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. There could be a WikiProject to write articles on interesting and notable books, but this (even given its wikillustrious signatories) seems dead in the water. Martinp 22:00, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep and tag as {{historical}}. This is basically an inactive wikiproject, so it should be kept. There is no policy that WP:NOT Oprah. :P --TantalumTelluride 01:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- I figure it would be pretty tough for someone to confuse us with the Oprah book club, that's probably why it isn't a section of WP:NOT. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 02:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- I was being sarcastic about Oprah. Seriously, though, the project was more than a book club. It was a collaborative project to imrove Wikipedia articles about books. That's why I think we should consider keeping it. --TantalumTelluride 03:56, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- I figure it would be pretty tough for someone to confuse us with the Oprah book club, that's probably why it isn't a section of WP:NOT. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 02:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
- Keep I touched it.
Tennessee Wood
- Comment. Vote leaning on delete.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tdxiang (talk • contribs)
-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 04:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
- This project page is now obsolete and replaced with the standardized Wikipedia:WikiProject Books. As such, this thing can be deleted, but in case anyone still uses this link, a redirect is also possible. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:17, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Being kept and tagged as historical sounds okay to me too. We shouldn't necessarily be deleting all of our history :-) So long as it's clear that it's inactive and that Wikipedia is not a bookclub. --Cyde Weys 19:04, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
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