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A new consensus was formed after an [[Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Notability_of_train_stations|RfC]] by {{U|Trainsandotherthings}} on July 2nd that attempted to come to an answer on the question of inherent notability for train stations. It was closed on July 19th with "clear consensus that train stations have no inherent notability". Most participants seemed to agree that Wikipedia policies provided little to no basis for an exception for train stations beyond the general notability guideline. |
A new consensus was formed after an [[Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Notability_of_train_stations|RfC]] by {{U|Trainsandotherthings}} on July 2nd that attempted to come to an answer on the question of inherent notability for train stations. It was closed on July 19th with "clear consensus that train stations have no inherent notability". Most participants seemed to agree that Wikipedia policies provided little to no basis for an exception for train stations beyond the general notability guideline. |
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This month's top discussions and proposals
Showing Editnotices to mobile editors
A Village pump proposal asked if a JavaScript gadget should be installed to MediaWiki:Minerva.js in order to show Editnotices to mobile editors. Mobile editors cannot see editnotices, which is a part of the WP:Mobile communication bugs, which means that mobile editors aren't able to see the Arbitration committee's discretionary sanction notices, WP:MEDRS, WP:BLP notices and any general instructions about editing a particular article. TonyBallioni made the following closure:
"Clear and overwhelming consensus to implement this. No need to wait the full time period to get it implemented. Any comments on technical questions, etc. can be discussed at User talk:Alexis Jazz/EditNoticesOnMobile."
Proposal to disallow moves during AfD
Robert McClenon started this discussion in May about prohibiting page moves while an article is undergoing the AfD process. It was closed on June 23rd with no consensus for a blanket ban of mid-AfD page moves, primarily because it was found that moving a page within mainspace can be a perfectly reasonable way to improve an article while it is being nominated for deletion, with multiple examples of the usefulness of such intra-mainspace mid-AfD moves cited.
Replies and "neutral"s at RfA/RfB
Two specific proposals were discussed at the Village pump in June. The first was to require all replies to RfA/RfB !votes to be done in the General comments section or on the talk page (rather than as a direct reply below the !vote). The second was to eliminate the neutral section of RfA/RfB and only have support and oppose. Consensus reached that the first proposal will make it more difficult for RfA to follow and is counter to the existing community consensus that RfA is not a vote. The consensus against the second proposal was less strong, but ultimately concluded that it is not a necessary change.
Use of 'today' as a relative time reference
Kudpung posed a discussion in June about the appropriateness of the relative time expression "today" given that Wikipedia is a permanent work in progress over longer periods of time. The community reached a consensus and on July 15th the discussion was closed with the outcome that using the word "today" is inappropriate when discussing information that is dated or time-dependent. However, there was no consensus about categorically banning the use of "today" for information that is very unlikely to change, such as one editor's example: "The 49th parallel border established between Canada and the United States at the Oregon Treaty remains in place today". The discussion came to no conclusion about specific changes for MOS:RELTIME/MOS:DATED/WP:ASOF.
Notability of train stations
A new consensus was formed after an RfC by Trainsandotherthings on July 2nd that attempted to come to an answer on the question of inherent notability for train stations. It was closed on July 19th with "clear consensus that train stations have no inherent notability". Most participants seemed to agree that Wikipedia policies provided little to no basis for an exception for train stations beyond the general notability guideline.
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Discuss this story
I remember this once reaching comical heights on some NRHP article I read, where some helpful person had written about an outbuilding on the property: "The shed still remains extant to this day". WOOOOOOWWWW ... four ways of saying the same thing.
Cleaning up these redundancies (I now try to shoot them on sight, basically) might take care of quite a few instances of this. Daniel Case (talk) 19:37, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]