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* '''Comment''' {{ping|Edward Zigma|Harshil169}} some words of advice as an entirely uninvolved editor? '''Knock it off'''. Stop commenting on each other, stop responding to each other and stop this back-and-forth. The India-Pakistan area already is one many editors prefer to stay well-away from due to high tensions, but the both of you sure '''''aren't helping matters.''''' Right now, you're making people look at their watchlist, see either of your names on an edit here at the AN and think something along the lines of "goodness, are those two ''still'' at it?". It doesn't '''matter''' which one of you is right or wrong: all this back-and-forth is achieving is making sure everyone wants to stay far, far away from this issue. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#42024b; color:#fcf09c; padding:1px;">'''''A'''dd'''W'''itty''</span>]][[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#fcf09c; color:#42024b; padding:1px;">'''''N'''ame'''H'''ere''</span>]] 10:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC) |
* '''Comment''' {{ping|Edward Zigma|Harshil169}} some words of advice as an entirely uninvolved editor? '''Knock it off'''. Stop commenting on each other, stop responding to each other and stop this back-and-forth. The India-Pakistan area already is one many editors prefer to stay well-away from due to high tensions, but the both of you sure '''''aren't helping matters.''''' Right now, you're making people look at their watchlist, see either of your names on an edit here at the AN and think something along the lines of "goodness, are those two ''still'' at it?". It doesn't '''matter''' which one of you is right or wrong: all this back-and-forth is achieving is making sure everyone wants to stay far, far away from this issue. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#42024b; color:#fcf09c; padding:1px;">'''''A'''dd'''W'''itty''</span>]][[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#fcf09c; color:#42024b; padding:1px;">'''''N'''ame'''H'''ere''</span>]] 10:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|AddWittyNameHere}} My only concern is blank reports about me at AE and SPI, and Publicly putting my Twitter account. If these continue then I’ve to stop editing here.—<b> [[User:Harshil169|<i style="color:orange; font-family:Brush Script MT">Harshil </i>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:Harshil169|want to talk?]]</sup> 10:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC) |
::{{ping|AddWittyNameHere}} My only concern is blank reports about me at AE and SPI, and Publicly putting my Twitter account. If these continue then I’ve to stop editing here.—<b> [[User:Harshil169|<i style="color:orange; font-family:Brush Script MT">Harshil </i>]]</b><sup>[[User Talk:Harshil169|want to talk?]]</sup> 10:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, you've made your concerns clear. All I'm saying is, if you '''want''' people to look into the matter you're reporting, you're not helping yourself by constantly replying to the other user. Similarly, if Edward Zigma wants people to look into what he is saying, he is '''also''' not helping matters by constantly replying to you. You've both stated your view on the issue, now give folks time to read it and check what you're saying. [[User:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#42024b; color:#fcf09c; padding:1px;">'''''A'''dd'''W'''itty''</span>]][[User talk:AddWittyNameHere|<span style="background:#fcf09c; color:#42024b; padding:1px;">'''''N'''ame'''H'''ere''</span>]] 11:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC) |
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Eligible editors are now invited to nominate themselves as candidates for the 2019 Arbitration Committee elections. Nominations will not be accepted after 23:59 UTC on 12 November 2019. Voting on the candidates is scheduled to begin on Tuesday 00:00, 19 November 2019 and last until Monday 23:59, 02 December 2019 (UTC). Mz7 (talk) 00:06, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Jicco123, again
Jicco123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
It is clear that User:Jicco123 is unable to competently collaborate with others. Their edits to Mixer have been very questionable. They had at several points, pasted in feature information that was PR-laden, overly detailed and copied from other sources. They were also involved in a brief dispute on Bill Gates' article, insisting that he have an infobox as a YouTuber as well since he also has a YouTube channel. Their communications with other users have also been quite aggressive, as can be seen on user talk pages they have posted to.
I am deeply concerned about this user's actions. ViperSnake151 Talk 16:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Gave them a DS/alert regarding infoboxes. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:17, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, could use some help - do DS notifications need to be logged in the same way that GS notifications do? If so, where do I do that? creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- DS alerts leave a log trail behind them. You do not need to post elsewhere about them. --Izno (talk) 19:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, could use some help - do DS notifications need to be logged in the same way that GS notifications do? If so, where do I do that? creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- The history of the user's talk page is a long line of various warnings that are simply removed without comment. -- ferret (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
He is a liar. I recreated the article in my sandbox. That are old information!
Jicco123 (talk) 20:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- What is the "old information"? Could you please give specifics when you accuse editors of disruptive changes? ViperSnake151 Talk 23:31, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- This user's sentiment is generally "what I did is not illegal, so it is not wrong"; everytime they do something that is unhelpful but not directly in violation of any guideline (or simply in cases where I cannot quote a guideline from the top of my head) and any of their contributions are corrected (for proper use of a template, better grammar/phrasing or otherwise), the user reverts back to their revision, citing that they did nothing wrong. I did note this in several of our discussions (we had quite a few encounters) but that did not change their mind. Generally, they display a sense of ownership of a multitude of articles where they made a few edits (and they tend to do 20 minor edits in a row on most of them) and refuse to collaborate with any other editors, let alone be corrected. The closing admin (provided they are able to understand German, as the user refuses to communicate in English where they are not forced to) may skim a few of our discussions in my talk page Archive 5 (2019) for examples of this. (Noticeably, the user also refuses to indent their messages for a better flow of communication, after I asked them at least ten times to do so). Lordtobi (✉) 18:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- The user is continuing this behavior, for example on Xbox Game Pass, by seemingly reverting without comment, but evading detection by not being logged in. 2003:c1:e701:b348:e451:3c0a:d26:ab19/41 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is a range calculated from several Erfurt/Germany-based IPs this user edited under. Administrator intervention is probably required here. Lordtobi (✉) 16:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- They are also again turning to edit warring now. Pinging @Izno and Ferret, is a block warranted here (on grounds of WP:OWN, WP:EW, and WP:COMPETENCE)? Lordtobi (✉) 19:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I blocked the IP for 48h, to start with--Ymblanter (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter: I've gone ahead and blocked the entire /41. It's pretty clear he logged out on the 12th and continued editing on this range. The history going back for months matches his interests. -- ferret (talk) 20:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I blocked the IP for 48h, to start with--Ymblanter (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note he's currently on a 1 week block at Commons as well. -- ferret (talk) 20:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Request to lift topic ban
I am kindly requesting administrators here to rescind my topic ban in the ARBPIA area, issued against me on 6 May 2019. See decision here.
I admit my mistake in leveling verbal attacks against two of my fellow editors, and I promise to be more circumspect in the future, during interaction with these editors. In the event of disagreement, I will henceforth seek the resolution of any dispute by consulting a broader audience of contributing editors, with the view that we should all keep the best interests of Wikipedia in mind, and strive to work together for the good of this worthy project.
It is without question that I have learnt my lesson very well, and will seek to work with all contributing editors with due respect and utmost civility, even if we should disagree on political issues. In the final analysis, we all desire the best for this educational resource used by millions of people on the Internet.Davidbena (talk) 23:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Firmly oppose lifting the ban. Behavioral issues tipped the scales in the enactment of this TBAN in the first place, but they were neither the sole reason, nor is this the first TBAN in this area for this editor. This is asking for a third chance while still not fully acknowledging the extent of the issues that led to re-enactment of the TBAN in the first place. There are plenty of other topic areas for this editor to contribute to, and their editing history has made clear that no good comes of letting them edit in the ARBPIA arena. Grandpallama (talk) 17:33, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- I admit that I made a gross mistake in seeking punitive actions against two editors here, but I immediately changed course and cancelled my request to have sanctions imposed upon them. In spite of this idiosyncrasy of mine, most of my edits and contributions (including photographs) in the ARBPIA area have been mostly constructive and beneficial to our project. See, for example, Kafr 'Inan, Bayt Nattif, Jarash, Jerusalem, Solomon's Pools, Operation Ha-Har, Husan, al-Badhan, Az-Zakariyya, Sar'a, among others. Besides, one of the editors with whom I had a strong falling-out was also topic banned from the area shortly after me, but was allowed to return to edit three months later, as you can see here, s.v. Huldra. Nothwithstanding, after my own topic ban, the same editor and I have since maintained cordial communications, both, privately and publicly, which you can see here and here. If I fail again, may God forbid, I can always be blocked again. I am asking for the chance to improve our worthy encyclopedia.Davidbena (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Huldra's TBAN was an entirely different situation from your own.
- Bringing up someone else's TBAN has nothing to do with your own behavior and is, as far as I'm concerned, further evidence that your own TBAN is appropriate and that you haven't learned anything.
- Your TBAN was not just based on behavior, but on not listening to other editors and insisting on the insertion of problematic edits, which is something you refused to acknowledge then and are ignoring now. That's beyond disingenuous.
- Claims that you've learned your lesson sound pretty hollow, considering that's what you've said twice before. Grandpallama (talk) 15:16, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- That's untrue. Whatever edit was "problematic" was duly deleted by me. Moreover, I never said that I would not file a formal complaint against an editor, if I felt a special need to do so. It was only during this last complaint of mine that I came to regret having done so. Besides, Huldra and I are on good talking terms, something which you would not know about. I have even tried to photograph a place for her in Jerusalem's Old City (although I could not find the place) and this, mind you, after my topic ban.Davidbena (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Huldra and I are on good talking terms, something which you would not know about.
Funny, because Huldra explicitly states the opposite in this very thread. And you're still deep in IDHT land. Continuing to bludgeon everything I say isn't going to do much other than showcase to everyone who views this thread that nothing has changed since the imposition of the TBAN. Frankly, you were lucky you didn't get indeffed. I think I'm done responding here, because this needs other eyes. The fact no one else has commented at all doesn't bode well for the enthusiasm of taking up reconsideration of this ban. Grandpallama (talk) 01:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- That's untrue. Whatever edit was "problematic" was duly deleted by me. Moreover, I never said that I would not file a formal complaint against an editor, if I felt a special need to do so. It was only during this last complaint of mine that I came to regret having done so. Besides, Huldra and I are on good talking terms, something which you would not know about. I have even tried to photograph a place for her in Jerusalem's Old City (although I could not find the place) and this, mind you, after my topic ban.Davidbena (talk) 17:53, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- I admit that I made a gross mistake in seeking punitive actions against two editors here, but I immediately changed course and cancelled my request to have sanctions imposed upon them. In spite of this idiosyncrasy of mine, most of my edits and contributions (including photographs) in the ARBPIA area have been mostly constructive and beneficial to our project. See, for example, Kafr 'Inan, Bayt Nattif, Jarash, Jerusalem, Solomon's Pools, Operation Ha-Har, Husan, al-Badhan, Az-Zakariyya, Sar'a, among others. Besides, one of the editors with whom I had a strong falling-out was also topic banned from the area shortly after me, but was allowed to return to edit three months later, as you can see here, s.v. Huldra. Nothwithstanding, after my own topic ban, the same editor and I have since maintained cordial communications, both, privately and publicly, which you can see here and here. If I fail again, may God forbid, I can always be blocked again. I am asking for the chance to improve our worthy encyclopedia.Davidbena (talk) 22:06, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Neutral Sigh. I like Davidbena, I really do. For one thing, he actually reads, and look up sources. Alas, last time he was topic-banned I voted for lifting the topic ban, but within a few weeks we were.....not so friendly any more. Davidbena does great work on subjects associated with Yemenite Jews and various issues relating to Judaism. However, whenever he touch upon present-day, or more "modern" policy issues, he seem to become a bit ....."too engaged". Which is not a good thing in the Israel/Palestine area. This time I vote "neutral": I leave it to others to decide if he should be allowed to edit in the ARBPIA area again, Huldra (talk) 23:55, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Again, I have learnt my lesson well. I am asking for the opportunity to renew editing in this area, and I assure all administrators that I will act faithfully in my capacity as a contributing editor to help improve this venue. I remind my fellow co-editors here that, besides being a voice for balance and providing reliable, sourced material to help expand knowledge, the simple act of uploading an image / images to ARBPIA articles can serve as the inferface[1] between editors holding polar opposite views in the Arab-Israeli conflict area - as I did in the articles Dayr Aban (thought to be the biblical Eben-ezer), Khirbat al-Tannur, Khirbat Umm Burj and Khirbet al-Deir - and helps us all to proceed from this common ground of virtual identification. Again, I will do my utmost best to work collaboratively with my fellow co-editors.
References
- ^ interface: something that enables separate and sometimes incompatible elements to coordinate or communicate.
Davidbena (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- This ban appeal has been open for six days and so far no admin has commented other than myself. Six months have passed since the community ban was imposed and this was a reasonable time to appeal. Still, there isn't much enthusiasm for doing anything now, so I suggest that Davidbena ask again in a further six months. The amount of conflict that can be seen at User talk:Davidbena suggests that something is not working well. EdJohnston (talk) 17:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ed, in all honesty, anyone looking objectively at my edits will quickly reach the conclusion that the good here outweighs the bad. As in all good families, there are occasional internal arguments, but we eventually overcome them and learn to work together.Davidbena (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Here's my view. I'm not an admin, still I could have easily left a comment and who knows maybe it would have sparked some more discussion and of course sufficient commentary to judge consensus is all that really matters as this is a community topic ban and not a discretionary sanctions one. But ARBPIA is an area I actively avoid for personal reasons so I really have no idea about your editing without a fair amount of assessment and no one has has enough for me to easily begin. I did feel some sympathy for you hence why I've checked this a few times just to see if there was any real action. But as EdJohnston has said, no one has done so. Your current topic ban was instated 2 months after your previous one was lifted isn't a good sign. While you've waited the minimum 6 months, given the circumstances it may not be enough. Many editors may not feel there is enough to reject your request, but are also reluctant to give you another chance so soon given what happened last time. Also we are all volunteers and editors may not feel it's worth their time looking in to especially given the circumstances, as unfortunate as that is to you. Nil Einne (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- So, are you saying that people do not learn from their mistakes? We all make mistakes. BTW: My first topic ban was unanimously rescinded by the community, because, as I think, they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges. One person was angry at me for simply asking a fellow editor if she were of Arab descent, when God knows I meant no harm by the question, just as I would ask an editor with whom I was comfortable whether or not he or she were of Native American descent or of German descent. I even went so far as to clarify myself, going on to write that "there is nothing wrong with that." The same editor was, in fact, not an Arab, but a Norwegian. Sigh. You see, often people read into the comments what they want to read into them, when only we ourselves know what is truly in our minds and hearts.Davidbena (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges
This is a patently false representation of what the editors said when your first TBAN was lifted; not a single editor even hinted that the TBAN was anything other than merited [1]. And doubling down now on what you said then to earn the first TBAN shows you've never learned anything at all. Grandpallama (talk) 16:38, 15 November 2019 (UTC)- I'm sorry, but you are misrepresenting their plain and unequivocal words of adjudication. Have you forgotten the words:
I have gone through David's edits (which took ages, he's remained quite active) and do not see any instances of his breaching the topic ban since this back at the end of August, which was only debatably a breach, etc.
? Look again at their decision here to rescind my topic ban. Anyone who has followed this case may not know the import of the charges brought against me in that first topic ban, but anyone looking into them can see that my accusers had no single thing to say, but tried to dig-up many unrelated issues, such as my views on the Great Deluge, etc. In short, these were all spurious charges. My perception of those adjudicating this case was one that they, too, realised that these were spurious charges. If I'm wrong, please forgive me. This is my own personal view. Nonetheless, during that first topic ban, I humbled myself, accepted it and kept myself away from the ARBPIA area at their solemn request. I will do the same if once again banned from this topic area, but I am asking for a chance to improve our online encyclopedia and to offer whatever good academic sources I have to offer here, in this field, to the end that we might learn to truly accept each other in the symbiotic relation that we all have, whether we are Jews, Muslims or Christians living in Israel, or what others call Palestine.Davidbena (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but you are misrepresenting their plain and unequivocal words of adjudication. Have you forgotten the words:
- So, are you saying that people do not learn from their mistakes? We all make mistakes. BTW: My first topic ban was unanimously rescinded by the community, because, as I think, they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges. One person was angry at me for simply asking a fellow editor if she were of Arab descent, when God knows I meant no harm by the question, just as I would ask an editor with whom I was comfortable whether or not he or she were of Native American descent or of German descent. I even went so far as to clarify myself, going on to write that "there is nothing wrong with that." The same editor was, in fact, not an Arab, but a Norwegian. Sigh. You see, often people read into the comments what they want to read into them, when only we ourselves know what is truly in our minds and hearts.Davidbena (talk) 14:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- Here's my view. I'm not an admin, still I could have easily left a comment and who knows maybe it would have sparked some more discussion and of course sufficient commentary to judge consensus is all that really matters as this is a community topic ban and not a discretionary sanctions one. But ARBPIA is an area I actively avoid for personal reasons so I really have no idea about your editing without a fair amount of assessment and no one has has enough for me to easily begin. I did feel some sympathy for you hence why I've checked this a few times just to see if there was any real action. But as EdJohnston has said, no one has done so. Your current topic ban was instated 2 months after your previous one was lifted isn't a good sign. While you've waited the minimum 6 months, given the circumstances it may not be enough. Many editors may not feel there is enough to reject your request, but are also reluctant to give you another chance so soon given what happened last time. Also we are all volunteers and editors may not feel it's worth their time looking in to especially given the circumstances, as unfortunate as that is to you. Nil Einne (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ed, in all honesty, anyone looking objectively at my edits will quickly reach the conclusion that the good here outweighs the bad. As in all good families, there are occasional internal arguments, but we eventually overcome them and learn to work together.Davidbena (talk) 21:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Davidbena claims that "My first topic ban was unanimously rescinded by the community, because, as I think, they saw that it had been wrongly imposed upon me, with a motley array of spurious charges.", and when challenged about this, points to a comment stating "I have gone through David's edits (which took ages, he's remained quite active) and do not see any instances of his breaching the topic ban since this back at the end of August, which was only debatably a breach, and resulted in a reasonable discussion on his talk page clarifying the scope of the topic ban. I do not see any editing that could be construed as nonconstructive or disruptive. " But this does not support his initial claim at all: all User:Fish and karate said, is that since shortly after the topic ban was imposed, nothing problematic happened. This is not at all claiming that it had been "wrongly imposed" or with "spurious charges", and reading that discussion he points to clearly shows that editors saw the topic ban as justified, but that there had been no disruption since it had been imposed. Then getting that topic ban imposed again shoftly afterwards (showing a return to problematic behaviour) is bad, but now claiming that the original topic ban was not merited in the first place and misrepresenting a discussion completely to support this is clearly showing that no change has happened or should be expected. Fram (talk) 08:41, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. Fram is correct, all I said was that since the ban had been imposed there had been one borderline breach, and otherwise David's behaviour had been fine since the topic ban was imposed. I did not say the ban had been wrongly imposed; it was very correctly imposed. David, one of the key factors in getting a topic ban rescinded is generally for the topic-banned user to acknowledge that they understood why the ban was imposed and to explain how their conduct will change for the better. If you cannot recognize that the topic ban was valid and was put in place for valid reasons to do with your conduct in the topic area, then I don't see any justification for lifting it at this time. Fish+Karate 09:06, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Suspicious activity in this page
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2019/Participants
Hi, there are newly created accounts and IPs who are adding their names. I feel like they have ruined that page and I also feel that they are the same person. Please take a look at the history of that page and you will see how they have ruined the page.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- SharabSalam, diffs please - "look at the history" is too vague for action, and "ruined the page" is a pretty big claim. I see a handful of IP vandals blanking the page, but not much else. Also, what are you looking for? Page protection? Sockpuppet investigation? Something else? creffett (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- I am saying is that there are too many IPs and newly created accounts who are adding their names there.
- Tarikelias (talk · contribs),
- Argoclio (talk · contribs),
- Gizemakpinarr (talk · contribs),
- Sophiasleeping (talk · contribs) etc.
- There are a lot of newly created accounts who are adding their names. Isn't that weird?. I said they ruined the page is because for example, the first editor in that list doesn't exist and he copied the signature style of the editor below him. I also feel it is highly likely that these newly created accounts belongs to one person. So I want an admin to see if they belong to one person and whether the activity there is normal or not.--SharabSalam (talk) 03:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- They could be classmates— Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:47, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I hope someone is going to fix that page, it is now a mess.Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2019/Participants--SharabSalam (talk) 23:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Slow edit war and challenge to my posted warnings
- Cresscoriander (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- The Drover's Wife (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sustainable Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Cresscoriander, a relatively new editor, posted this edit to The Teahouse, complaining about being reverted. I checked the editors contributions, and found that s/hen was in a slow edit war on Sustainable Australia with The Drover's Wife, an experienced editor.
I created Talk:Sustainable Australia#Edit war with this edit after doing some claenup on the talk page, restoring a comment improperly deleted. Cresscoriander has not posted since. The Drover's Wife reverted once more on the article, and posted to the talk page calling my intervention "not helpful". We had some back and forth, in which TDW said that my comments (including a mention of the possibility of a block for continued edit-warring was "disruptive" and nearly the same as doign paid editing myself.
I ask that one or more other admins review the situation and indicate if they think I am being heavy-handed or otherwise out of line. I think it is well known that I am not the quickest admin with the block button, but anyone can make a mistke, and perhaps I have. I will notify the editors mentioned promptly. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- We've had long-running problems for years with minor Australian political parties attempting to write their own articles. It's extremely frustrating for regular Wikipedians, because the people trying to do it are invariably more invested in "I want to promote myself" than we are with "actually, you shouldn't be trying to use Wikipedia to promote yourselves". It's disingenuously portrayed as edit warring, as if the person trying to do the self-promotion and the Wikipedian trying to get them not to have completely equally reasonable positions. I don't actually get anything out of trying to stop self-promotion besides a desire to try and keep the quality up on a broad topic I've spent thousands of hours working on. And this kind of attitude has consequences - we've suffered immense editor burnout in this general area, in no small part because these situations (of which we're up to at least twenty involving different parties over time) are so damn tiring to resolve - editors know that if they try to stop this stuff, the self-promoters won't stop, admins won't back them up and will just label it an edit war like it's a content dispute, and they'll get...what, for all their trouble? There is a direct connection between this kind of use of administrative tools and self-promotional editing being left untouched on a large scale. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@DESiegel: Hi DESiegel, in regards to the comment I deleted on the talk page, I did so because it was unsigned, and I thought it was politically charged and unhelpful. I have since read the talk page guidelines which (I think) you shared and I see that this is a grey area. Thats fine, no issue I'll leave it if thats what you think should be done. In regards to the "slow edit war" and TDW, I'm certainly not trying to engage in any sort of war, merely improve a page but obviously TDW has issues with what I have done. I'll address those issues on the Sustainable Australia talk page. Cresscoriander (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Cresscoriander do you understand that your repeated reverts ([2] [3]) on the article Sustainable Australia constituted edit warring, and were not justified, particularly when you mad no attempt to raise whatever you felt were the issues here on the article talk page? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- DESiegel I am understanding the concept of edit warring more fully now. I just meant to convey that it was not my intent to engage in an edit war. I thought because I had provided a sensible rationale for my edits and that TDW had not provided any for her reversions that my behaviour was ok. I understand that the way forward is to engage in a discussion on the talk page to reach consensus and that's what I will do. TDW is alleging my edits to be COI and self promotion - I'm not sure where this is coming from. I believe my edits to adhere strongly to the NPOV principle. I would absolutely welcome further input from more experienced wikipedia editors on my edits, and TDW's reversions.Cresscoriander (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Phrases like "website highlights" are not exactly neutral nor particularly relevant.©Geni (talk) 17:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- DESiegel I am understanding the concept of edit warring more fully now. I just meant to convey that it was not my intent to engage in an edit war. I thought because I had provided a sensible rationale for my edits and that TDW had not provided any for her reversions that my behaviour was ok. I understand that the way forward is to engage in a discussion on the talk page to reach consensus and that's what I will do. TDW is alleging my edits to be COI and self promotion - I'm not sure where this is coming from. I believe my edits to adhere strongly to the NPOV principle. I would absolutely welcome further input from more experienced wikipedia editors on my edits, and TDW's reversions.Cresscoriander (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Amtrak Sunset Limited Sections Deleted
The Amtrak Sunset Limited sections dealing with railroad subdivisions and cities served were deleted without my knowledge or warning. What I wrote on the edit was factual based on several sources, that I did quote. I wrote these section yesterday Monday November 11, 2019, this is Tuesday November 12, 2019. The work I put nearly five hours in to assure accuracy was erased. This is censorship of someones work that actually cared about accuracy and factual information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericabaker63 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- The page in question appears to be Sunset Limited. This appears to be run of the mill editing stuff. I'd suggest you raise your concerns at Talk:Sunset Limited, and find a consensus. I'd also suggest that it's important to remember Wikipedia is a collaboratively written project, and engaging with hostility, accusing people of censorship, and the like, usually leads to poor outcomes. The edits remain in the history, so nothing has been "lost". WilyD 12:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Offensive edit summary by IP vandal
Can someone please delete this edit summary I found yesterday on the Rape (disambiguation) page, which is highly offensive and disturbing. It's strange (in my opinion) that the ClueBot did not come across this before. Thanks. CycloneYoris talk! 17:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done. If you see more of this, let me know. Going by the logs, I've cleaned up after this vandal before. What a pain. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sure thing, thanks again! CycloneYoris talk! 18:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Bullying IP users
- CentralTime301 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Spicyeater2005 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
CentralTime301, a relatively experienced user started out by reverting this edit [4] saying its a joke edit. Even when evidence is provided for the name change by another IP, the user claims its "not true" without providing his/her own source to prove otherwise. Do not that the link provided is the official youtube page of iQiyi, the show's official streaming platform. This user is obviously over-stepping his rights as an editor (by trying to act like an admin) and bullying ip address users and threatening them with vandalism notices to scare them off. 41.204.44.162 (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- No comment on the edits, but nothing CentralTime301 did was "trying to act like an admin" - they posted warning templates to a talk page, which is perfectly normal for non-admins. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 19:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
What? I thought it was vandalism. Cheers! CentralTime301 17:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
IP address has been reporting me
An IP address has been reporting me just because I bullied an IP; I thought it was vandalism. Cheers! CentralTime301 17:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:CentralTime301 that edit that you reverted wasn't a joke edit at all. Looking at your talk page I see a prior run in with an IP specifically the note on your page entitled "Please, leave edits from this academic editor in place". That doesn't look promising, nor does the rest of your talk page. Necromonger...We keep what we kill 19:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Readers of this page may want to pay particular attention to this edit. —C.Fred (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:CentralTime301 that edit that you reverted wasn't a joke edit at all. Looking at your talk page I see a prior run in with an IP specifically the note on your page entitled "Please, leave edits from this academic editor in place". That doesn't look promising, nor does the rest of your talk page. Necromonger...We keep what we kill 19:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sequence of events:
- CentralTime301 reverted an IP's edit to Xu Kai thinking it to be vandalism, though it wasn't.
- A second IP happened to notice this action by CentralTime301 and reported them at WP:AIV for vandalism. This wasn't a correct report of vandalism and it was declined.
- Since the AIV report failed, the first IP came here to create a report called "Bullying IP users" which we are reading now. This complaint should also be declined.
- CentralTime301 went to WP:RFPP to ask for their user page to be protected, on the grounds they were about to switch to a new account. "I am going to move to a new account, because the CentralTime301 page is gonna be protected fully to prevent edits. Just so I can move to spicyeater2005." At first sight this might appear to be abuse of multiple accounts, but it's not. I recommend this complaint be closed with no action. I wish CentralTime301 good luck in their future career but they should be sure to ask experienced editors for advice whenever they are uncertain. EdJohnston (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- CT has put up a number of AfDs where WP:BEFORE wasn't done though (along with one blank nomination), and I warned them that continuing to do so would draw community scrutiny and distrust of future noms as a "boy crying wolf". This, along with the blanking of the CT user talk page (including my messages warning them to stop with time-wasting AfDs and a past message where they don't understand why we don't keep vandal contribs), seems to be a way to try to earn a 'clean slate' without having the record that deserves as such. There should be no clean start here. I do disagree with the OP in one way; CT is an inexperienced user who only came here in August and has been trying to do way too much and not doing a very good job of editing or patrolling. Nate • (chatter) 01:52, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Psimonson's contributions
- Psimonson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Writersupreme (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Dwight Schar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I need a second opinion on Special:Contributions/Psimonson regarding WP:No legal threats, WP:Paid-contribution disclosure and Wikipedia:Edit warring. I carefully avoided taking any content-editing or administrative action yet, but it may be reasonable to temporarily full-protect Psimonson's revision if the edit warring continues, unless consensus is reached for inclusion of the section. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- My reasoning for the reverts were due to the section blanking. There was no reason given until the most recent change at this time. TheEpTic (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I had requested the above explanation in Special:Diff/925883067, but I'm uncomfortable with the result, as it does not seem to address my concerns in either revision (1, 2). I'll wait for someone else to look at this. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm redoing my reasoning as I felt this wasn't enough to explain my side. At the time, I was handling a lot of vandalism and saw this section of information being removed (Lawsuits) and felt there was no reason considering the linked sources and no reason given by Psimonson. I didn't check the sources directly which I have should have, and will do in all my future reverts. I immediately stopped once they provided a reason in the summary. I'm not knowledged in this article so I feel like I have no say on the consensus of this article. I apologise if my actions got in the way or were wrong. TheEpTic (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I had requested the above explanation in Special:Diff/925883067, but I'm uncomfortable with the result, as it does not seem to address my concerns in either revision (1, 2). I'll wait for someone else to look at this. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I am not involved in any court cases with this individual. Furthermore, this individual is a paid representative in the employ of the subject of the page.
I have mentioned lawsuits that have happened, and I have linked them to reputable, verifiable sources.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writersupreme (talk • contribs) 23:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I would fully protect the Dwight Schar article at the last version edited by Psimonson until a longer discussion can be held. At least the web site at https://bellacollina.wordpress.com looks questionable as a source in a BLP article. The contents of lawsuit pleadings doen't establish any facts for our purposes; they are only the allegations of the parties. We could quote court judgments if there were any. And since this is a high-profiile person there could be real press coverage elsewhere. EdJohnston (talk) 00:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- The article about Dwight Schar is now protected for two weeks for BLP reasons, leaving out the disputed section. I suggest that the material being reverted not be restored until agreement is reached about quality of sources. Anyone favoring the inclusion might post the issue at WP:RS/N or use some other method of getting agreement. EdJohnston (talk) 04:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you all very much, I think this can be closed. If the edit warring itself continues, it can be reported at WP:ANEW; if Psimonson continues to edit without responding to the paid editing inquiry at User talk:Psimonson, I'll go from {{uw-paid2}} to {{uw-paid4}} and file a report at WP:COIN if necessary. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:55, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Duplicate articles
Block E (rocket) and Blok E appears to be duplicates; the former was created in 2007 and the latter just a few days ago. I thought newer of the two might be a candidate for speedy deletion per WP:A10, but it does appear to be a legitimate attempt at improvement. My guess is that the creator of the newer version (4throck) just did so it good faith either because they weren't aware of the other article or weren't sure how to WP:MOVE the page. Anyway, could an admin look at this and see if a WP:HISTMERGE should be done to combine the content from the newer version into the older version? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I've history merged the pages. — JJMC89 (T·C) 06:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you JJMC89. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:10, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Some of you are probably familiar with the person responsible for these (and other) edits. There's a range to be blocked, but there is way too much other, acceptable activity on it. I semi-protected; that's the only thing I can think of. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:39, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's been range blocked several times before. Materialscientist did a 3 month range blocked in May 2019. See 186.11.0.0/17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- That was ugly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- For the sake of one's sanity, it's probably best to avoid looking at revdeleted content. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I haven't seen them in a while. I see they have found a few more people they dislike. I was getting a lot of it earlier but not on the English Wikipedia. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 15:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- For the sake of one's sanity, it's probably best to avoid looking at revdeleted content. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- That was ugly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Finish up some page moves
I ran into an issue finishing an RM. I closed the RM at Portal:Contents as move and have moved almost all the subpages. Turns out a couple are fully move protected, so I need some help finishing up. Could an admin move the following pages into the Wikipedia: namespace?
- Portal:Contents/A–Z index
- Portal:Contents/Categorical index
- Portal:Contents/Categories
- Portal:Contents/Glossaries
- Portal:Contents/List of glossaries
- Portal:Contents/Outline of Knowledge
- Portal:Contents/Overviews
- Portal:Contents/Portals
- Portal:Contents/Quick index
Thanks. Wug·a·po·des 06:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Note that Portal:Contents is still not on the project namespace — may need a developer to help with a move of that scope. El_C 06:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Never mind JJMC89 got it. I just kept getting replication lag, but I guess there was a tech savvy way to get around that. El_C 07:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- JJMC89 was able to move it into projectspace. Turns out there's only ~1600 revisions. Also thanks for taking care of the talk page archives as well! Wug·a·po·des 07:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done with the cleanup of the moves to
WikipediaContents/(missing colon) too — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)- I knew this seemed to have gone too well. Thanks for doing that; I see from your contributions it was a fair bit of work cleaning up my mess, so I appreciate the help. It was my first time using the mass move script, and I didn't realize I had forgotten a colon on one of the runs. I'll look into modifying it so that problem doesn't happen again, but in the meantime I'll be more careful. Wug·a·po·des 08:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done with the cleanup of the moves to
- JJMC89 was able to move it into projectspace. Turns out there's only ~1600 revisions. Also thanks for taking care of the talk page archives as well! Wug·a·po·des 07:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- N.B. I've created User:Wugapodes/Wikipedia contents cleanup to keep track of all the pages as I go through and check them again. Wug·a·po·des 18:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
unsourced Sireethorn Leearamwat
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Migsmigss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) try add unsourced details in Sireethorn Leearamwat as model, so she is just a phamarcist to joined beauty pageant for the frist time at Miss Thailand 2019 and then she representing Thailand at Miss International 2019 in Japan. she is not a model at all and all her interview with Thai press she is only phamarcist never work any job in entertainment before, YOU CAN CHECK ON ALL OF THAI PRESS, NO ONE SAID SHE IS A MODEL and on her profile and title at Miss International 2019 beauty pageant show that she is a phamarcist, if she is a model MIO will show a detail that she is model and phamarcist like other contestents that they are model. Anyway you can check on MI website, MI 2019 live show when they show the title for introduce and annourced Sireethorn on stage. and also can see in thai article, Miss Thailand official website and page.
Someone added an english sourced already that Sireethorn is a phamarcist in the article but he still try to add a unsourced detail as a Model. and he removed a source that i add to confirm Sireethorn is a phamarcist.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 17:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC) And he try to add that Sireethorn is Thailand's first big four international pageant winner since 1988, its wrong sentence i think. The Thailand's first big four international pageant winner should means Apasra Hongsakula at Miss Universe 1965 because Big 4 are Miss UniVerse, Miss World, Miss International and Miss Earth. so in the article have a detail already that Sireethorn is the first ever Miss International crown for Thailand, this is point. NOT Thailand's first big four international pageant winner since 1988 like he try so say. if he say like that its should means Thailand never crown the Big 4 Beauty Pageant before?.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC) Migsmigss: Hello, I was Tagged in this Report, so Below is my ResponseHello, this my reply on these accusations: 1. This editor, Evrdkmkm, has consistently vandalized articles with disruptive editing as evidenced here, here, here, here, here, here, and here, just as examples, deleting chunks of information, templates, and sources. 2. This editor, Evrdkmkm, also accused me of deleting their source here when in fact it's a result of their edit here. This accusation is uninformed, and a mistake committed by the editor himself/themselves, yet they place the blame on me? I hope the admins can look into this. 3. Some of this editor's edits are even a product of not reading thoroughly the edits of other contributors, for example, "she is not a Thailand's first Big Four international beauty pageants winner /the first is Apassara Hongsakula for Miss Universe" 4. If you look into this editor's contributions here, you would see that this editor's comments when editing or reverting edits are rather improper and devoid of civility. For example, to quote this editor verbatim: "this is my talk page so i can remove anything in this talk page that i want" —This without trying to respectfully resolve the issues posted on their talk page by other editors I was tagged in this report, so the above is my response. I hope the admins can look into this. I was planning on bringing this editor Evrdkmkm up myself here, but since they have opened this discussion, I have made my response. I would like to seek disciplinary action on this user Evrdkmkm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) —if this user merits a block, I will support it. I have tried to reason out with this user with respect, but this user has not engaged with me in a similar manner, as evidenced by the links I've given above, and this user's entire Edit History. Thanks. Migsmigss (talk) 18:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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Unblock appeal by Wikibreaking
Wikibreaking (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is appealing the indefinite block which was placed in January 2016 for disruption and legal threats, and in 2019 changed due to sockpuppetry using Bearberserk. As the community endorsed this block, it should also discuss whether to unblock under the standard offer. Wikibreaking's appeal follows below. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I withdrew legal threat, and I was told to request for unblock 6 months after. It's been more than 6 months.
I was told to follow WP:OFFER and to appeal for unblock again in six months. It has been 6 months, so I am following up on my ban. Could you unblock my account please? I have 2 accounts. My first account was Wikibreaking which was blocked first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wikibreaking Then, a couple years later, I created my second account Bearberserk which was blocked because my first account wasn't unblocked before I created my second account. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bearberserk I am told that I should use only 1 account. If so, I would like to use my second account Bearberserk because I like that name better. Could you unblock my second account Bearberserk? As for my first account, you can remove it or whatever. Or you can unblock my first account Wikibreaking first then I will submit another appeal for my second account Bearberserk which I plan on using because I like that name better.
I wasn't planning on editing any article right away, but since I am told that I should plan to edit something if I want my account unblocked, I will edit the following 2 articles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_sword
https://i.imgur.com/E1zwCtQ.jpg
Hwando is the Korean version of Japanese Katana; this sword was the most common sword in Korea. This sword was not imported from Japan but from Guguryeo Dynasty's Hwandudaedo. According to 1451's Chosun Royal Journal's February 25th entry, there were 2 different types of Hwando: one with longer handle (2 Bbyeom/뼘) and one with shorter (1 Bbyeom/뼘 and 3 finger widths) handle. The one with shorter handle was used on horse while the one with longer handle was used off horse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_(martial_arts)
http://www.kwunion.com/interesting/mas-oyama-america-part-3/
In 1940 the “Japanese American Courier” reported that “Marking its 34th anniversary the Tacoma (judo) dojo will hold its annual tournament Sunday afternoon at the Buddhist Church auditorium . . . Over 40 black belts are listed for action. An additional feature on the programme will be Masato Tamura’s ‘rock breaking’ demonstration via the ancient Japanese art of “kiai jutsu”. He will also oppose a quintet of picked black belts”. Tamura was a well known judoka who had got his third dan during Jigoro Kano’s visit to America in 1938. In none of these accounts, incidentally, is there any mention of karate.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibreaking (talk • contribs)
- These are past administrators' actions on Wikibreaking:
- 31 December 2015 (UTC): Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive303#User:Wikibreaking reported by User:Phoenix7777 (Result: Blocked)
- 19 January 2016 (UTC): Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive911#User:Wikibreaking personal attacks and WP:FORUMSHOP
- 29 January 2019 (UTC): Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikibreaking/Archive
- Oppose Not seeing any indication that they understand why their behavior earned a block in the first place (or how they plan to change it), and I don't care for the entitled and argumentative attitude I see from their past contributions. Their habit of accusing other editors of lying doesn't help either. Also,
I wasn't planning on editing any article right away
...then why should we unban? A ban doesn't prevent you from reading Wikipedia. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 20:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC) - Oppose although I'm willing to be convinced. They have not fully addressed the reason for their original block, and continued to file repeated UTRS requests subsequent to being told to wait 6 months per OFFER. The conversation at Bearberserk doesn't inspire confidence. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC) amended 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose As you see the past administrator's actions and his past edits, Wikibreaking's edits were disruptive and mostly WP:SYNTH. He is clearly WP:NOTHERE.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose don't see any understanding of why the block was imposed. WP:OFFER doesn't mean that we will lift blocks if they are appealed after six months, just that we will consider an appeal after six months. You still have to convince people that you understand why the block was imposed, that it won't happen again, and that you will be constructive in future. It doesn't exactly look like Wikibreaking was being terribly constructive before the block either. The discussion at User talk:Bearberserk#Blocked (from April) is rather illuminating, we have two requests adamantly denying any sockpuppetry, before another two saying that the accounts might be the same user but they can't remember, before another one saying that they are definitely the same person and they'd like to use that one in future. Hut 8.5 07:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
wrong details in Sireethorn Leearamwat by Migsmigss (talk · contribs)
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Migsmigss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) still didnt stop to try to add wrong details in Sireethorn Leearamwat as a model, so can Admin checking this editor?
Or can checking about her real carreer as Phamarcist not Phamacist and Model on Miss Thailand, Miss International Thailand and Miss International official websites and pages. Or her official Instagram @bintsireethorn.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 08:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC) and can Admin protect Sireethorn page for a few day? thanks.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 08:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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Catflap08
catflap08 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I have restored TPA for catflap08 to allow an appeal / unblock request, per UTRS appeal #27572. I suspect this is a doomed experiment in AGF. Guy (help!) 11:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- It appears that email and TPA were both revoked to stop him from harassing another user; you may want to give that other user a specific heads-up and let them know you've done so. They may have input, and they ALSO may want to know that the access has been restored so that they can report if the harassment starts anew. --Jayron32 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- Fair. Have left a note. Guy (help!) 19:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Would an admin mind taking a look at this? It looks like it started out as a draft for John James Wilson and when that article was created, the draft was blanked and replaced with new content about a different subject. Seems like this process has been repeated multiple times I understand this is fine to do for a user sandbox, but not sure if the same should be done for things in the draft namespace. My understanding has always been that that when a draft is moved to the mainspace, the page history shouldn’t end up split between multiple subjects. For reference, I came across this at WP:THQ#Changing drafts which seems to be a question about a copy and paste move. — Marchjuly (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Harsh block by Berean Hunter
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Berean Hunter has just blocked Giano for 72 hours for making this innocuous comment on a talk page where Giano is entitled be. Sledgehammer, nut, bearing in mind this is the first such warning Giano has had from this admin. I see nothing "disruptive" or "harassing" in what Giano has said. Moreover, BH uses in his edit summary "deny", which presumably links to WP:DENY, an essay about trolls and vandals. This ad hominem is neither fair nor accurate in this context. Berean Hunter should really practice what he preaches. Thoughts please. CassiantoTalk 21:19, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's not about one edit but a pattern including this pointy type of edit that he repeated. One should look back over a few days to see he has been disruptive and harassing particularly since the 13th.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 21:34, 16 November 2019 (UTC) - (edit conflict) If Giano wants to appeal his block, he knows how. We don't need third-parties coming to noticeboards to complain. In addition, it's not clear that Giano was blocked for the one comment you highlight above (which is not "innocuous"), although I have no way of knowing if it was the trigger. BH said on Giano's Talk page "Giano, your editing has been disruptive and your harassment isn't going to be tolerated. I've blocked you for 72 hours. Please do not repeat this. If you want to edit then please stick to articles." That shows a pattern of harassment, not a single event. Finally, I endorse the block. Giano has been behaving badly for a while now.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Of course you support it, I wouldn't think you were capable of anything else. Third parties? Oh, this is a closed shop is it? Only admins welcome, or their sycophants. This place is rotten. CassiantoTalk 21:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can we have Eric back and lose Giano? Go on Giano, throw yourself on a grenade. It would support all those "For Great Wiki" claims you've been making. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:37, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- A warning (if necessary) would've sufficed, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- They've had no shortage of warnings over the past few days. They evidently didn't work. Thryduulf (talk) 21:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Giano was given as friendly a warning as possible by Bishonen when she unblocked him. He ignored it. If he's going to ignore advice from Bishonen, with whom he's been wiki-friends since before I had a registered account, I don't see why further warnings would have made any difference whatsoever. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with Vanamonde and Thryduulf. There aren't many people Giano's going to listen to; for most users "warning" him is counterproductive, at best (I fall into that category). If he's not listening to warnings from Bish then there's nothing for it. Mackensen (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Is this starting to be a pattern with things like this? PackMecEng (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't get it. So because I've legitimately posted on two drama boards on a subject you disagree with, it's now a pattern? CassiantoTalk 22:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It illustrated you have a habit of trying to help and it blowing up in your face. Like it did with that link I gave. I'm sorry if I was unclear. PackMecEng (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- And I'm sorry if I embarrassed you for asking you to make a bit more sense, but it appears you can't even do that as "illustrated" by your failure to do it for a second time. CassiantoTalk 22:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Cool story, bro? I suppose what is obvious to most is not so obvious to some. I will have to keep that in mind when we talk in the future, i need to keep it painfully simple. PackMecEng (talk) 22:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not your "bro" and I have no desire whatsoever to talk to you in the future. You can keep that in mind, too. CassiantoTalk 22:45, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Cool story, bro? I suppose what is obvious to most is not so obvious to some. I will have to keep that in mind when we talk in the future, i need to keep it painfully simple. PackMecEng (talk) 22:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- And I'm sorry if I embarrassed you for asking you to make a bit more sense, but it appears you can't even do that as "illustrated" by your failure to do it for a second time. CassiantoTalk 22:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It illustrated you have a habit of trying to help and it blowing up in your face. Like it did with that link I gave. I'm sorry if I was unclear. PackMecEng (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't get it. So because I've legitimately posted on two drama boards on a subject you disagree with, it's now a pattern? CassiantoTalk 22:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I was about to block them myself after this series of edits (not just the one today, but also messages to individual arbs yesterday? or was it before yesterday). This is a typical Reichstag Spiderman behavior.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block This is pure vandalism. If we don't block for that, then we might as well pack up and go home. --Rschen7754 22:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Now there's a pleasant thought. CassiantoTalk 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I endorse the block too, though I have no desire to take "sides" about it. It's one thing to make the point once or twice. But to keep doing it over and over is like shouting louder and louder at people who heard it the first time and simply disagree. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block. Obviously. WaltCip (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- The origins of The Blocking Of Giano are lost in the mists of time, but its familiar ritual of the block, the unblock, the endless noticeboard discussions and the final mock pitched battle between the contentists and the administrati are a delight to tourists and an inspiration to writers of Wikipedia essays everywhere. Guy (help!) 23:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Eloquence! El_C 01:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support indef. Honestly, this is getting old. I stayed quiet with the "compromised account" episode because I figured we'd get at least a week of no disruption. He seems to be (judging by his block logs) rather incapable of following even the most rudimentary of our conduct policies. He's been given his chances to change, and he has only gotten worse with straight vandalism per WP:POINT. (Non-administrator comment) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Well, nobody forced you to come here. Shouldn't you be wasting your time elsewhere, writing something that only you will ever read? CassiantoTalk 10:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- The amount of administrator time you have wasted with this pointless exercise is downright baffling. If you are going to start a thread at WP:AN complaining that Giano didn't get enough special treatment, then I'm going to be here pointing out how absurd that is. Either way, thanks for the free advertising of my 2019 voting guide. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- "Free advertising"? What on earth are you on about? Since when have you had to pay for advertising on this failing project? Maybe you should just stick to writing drivel like your "guide" that no one will ever read; creating actual content would clearly be an unachievable task. CassiantoTalk 19:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- The amount of administrator time you have wasted with this pointless exercise is downright baffling. If you are going to start a thread at WP:AN complaining that Giano didn't get enough special treatment, then I'm going to be here pointing out how absurd that is. Either way, thanks for the free advertising of my 2019 voting guide. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note the OPs careful phrasing "first such warning Giano has had from this admin" (emphasis added) thus tacitly acknowledging what they already knew, he was told to quit with the Eric trolling and he did not do so. That it took this long to happen is probably only because of the last block's poor, unsupported rationale, it could have and should have been a perfectly valid block for disruption. Eric's block is nobody's fault but his own, he lied and got caught, more than once, and that's what finally got him blocked for good. Going around harassing people and literally vandalizing pages over it is equally as stupid as gravedancing about it and should not be tolerated. 72 hours is pretty light if you ask me. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes of course, that's why you were literally falling over yourself to deal with the gravedancers who targeted Eric, just after he got blocked (two of whom now grace this thread). You were silent then, but my god, are you loud now. CassiantoTalk 10:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Whatever. I don't involve myself in every last thing that happens around here, there's not enough hours in the day and his talk page didn't happen to be on my watchlist because I don't actually care. Is that a better answer or would you like to make more of a spectacle of yourself with your shouting and hyperbole? Seems to be working super well so far. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes of course, that's why you were literally falling over yourself to deal with the gravedancers who targeted Eric, just after he got blocked (two of whom now grace this thread). You were silent then, but my god, are you loud now. CassiantoTalk 10:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support indef. - Vandalism of pages. Harrassment. Chance after chance given but not taken to start taking Wikipedia seriously. Giano has only himself to blame. BabbaQ (talk) 00:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Short Block is fine, indef is being supported by the usual suspects who in many cases are irrelevant to what Giano does, i.e. build an encyclopedia. Perhaps they might think about why they're actually here. Black Kite (talk) 00:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- A solitary voice of honesty, reason and good grace in amongst a crowd of noise, bluster and obvious hostility. Thanks Black kite. CassiantoTalk 10:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block - nobody is so naive as to think that blocking Eric Corbett would not be controversial and result in dissatisfaction and anger from some members of the community, but Giano's harassment of members of Arbcom over the last several days has been beyond the pale, including many incidents which ought to have drawn blocks individually never mind the pattern. I see no reason for an indefinite block, of course unless this behaviour continues when the block expires. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 01:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Gadflies, while annoying, are good for us. It is to ancient Athens' eternal shame that they executed their irritating gadfly. Paul August ☎ 01:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- More eloquence! El_C 01:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I've often thought of Eric Corbett as a modern-day Socrates. Of course, Socrates took his medicine without complaint. EEng 02:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sockrates? ―Mandruss ☎ 06:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I've often thought of Eric Corbett as a modern-day Socrates. Of course, Socrates took his medicine without complaint. EEng 02:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- More eloquence! El_C 01:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think a short block is fine to serve as a counter-point to the latest WP:POINT-yness and puts a stop to any immediate disruption. But anything too lengthy or an indef are an overkill that is ill-advised. El_C 01:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block childish and disruptive behavior = block. -FASTILY 01:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse - Obviously. ∯WBGconverse 07:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse enough is enough. Wasn't there just some stupid kerfuffle on ANI arising in part because some poor admin who didn't realise the latitude afforded Giano (and some other editors) blocked them because they incorrectly assumed given how poor the editing was that the account must be compromised? That in itself already tells us all we need to know. In any case, in most cases a third party appeal of a block, especially a third party appeal of a block of a highly experienced editor is unnecessary. Nil Einne (talk) 09:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse . The block was perfectly within Berean Hunter 's discretion and good judgement. There is naturally a lot more background to this but what has been said here is sufficient. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block as within admin discretion, oppose any escalation to indef (or anything else), and appeal to Giano - I like you a lot, but please stop being such a dick. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block. Disruption is disruption. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block - If I were to repeatedly replace the Arbcom page and talkpage with someone elses userpage I too would expect a long block,
- Giano's a great editor but just lately he has been disruptively editing the project and making POINTY edits - Yes the way Eric was treated was piss poor and losing him is a great loss to the project but at the end of the day the POINTY edits needs to stop, If there were a way he could be accepted back WITHOUT being blocked I would happily support that but until such a discussion is raised then there isn't much else that can be done. (Cleanstart could work I guess). –Davey2010Talk 14:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry Giano got blocked (again), especially since he makes a valid point. The definition of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, I suppose. However, unless I missed a whole lot, calling his posts on arbs' talk pages "harassment" devalues the term badly. Those who run for Arbcom should expect to be called out for their decisions, especially for things like blanking Eric's user page. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- This is not a black-and-white issue, obviously. I am disappointed that those who severely criticise Giano's actions don't understand that shooting the messenger is not the right answer, even if the messenger stepped on a few toes to deliver his message. Here we witnessed a very bad miscalculation by the exiting Arbcom to confine the contributions of an excellent editor to damnatio memoriae using our socking policy as a blunt instrument to exercise that power. In cases such as the present one, torches and pitchforks are an inadequate instrument of proper evaluation and assessment of the situation. Dr. K. 19:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- "Shooting the messenger" is when Person A sends Person B to deliver a message to Person C, and Person C blames Person B for the message instead of Person A. If Giano is Person B (the messenger) in this vignette, and the community is Person C, then who is Person A? – Levivich 20:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
ACE2019 Electoral Roll
Hello everyone, to meet the new WP:ACE2019 voter eligibility requirements, we had to generate the electoral roll using a different process this year. All initial spot checks have been fine, but I would like to invite anyone to review the list here and if you see any issues to quickly raise them at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination. I've heard that ("given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow") - thank you, — xaosflux Talk 22:49, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I've reviewed the list and confirm that it hurt both my eyes and my brain. No offense but I don't see how a human being is supposed to review a document like that. Is there maybe another way to present it? Like, single lines for each user with links to their username? That would be much more human-friendly although I realize it may be maddeningly time consuming to put together without a bot. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Beeblebrox: I made a "human friendlier" view at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human2. Adding that many wikilinks to a page times out the server. Good things to look for are names that should NOT be on the list, or a missing name that you think should be. — xaosflux Talk 00:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I did get a page with links to save: Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human - warning if you have a lot of scripts that do things for "user:" links you might freeze up on it. — xaosflux Talk 00:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I use the script that strikes out blocked user names, it might've been helpful there but as you predicted, I can't load it. Thanks for responding though, I'l see how much of the other one I can plow through. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I did get a page with links to save: Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human - warning if you have a lot of scripts that do things for "user:" links you might freeze up on it. — xaosflux Talk 00:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Beeblebrox: I made a "human friendlier" view at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human2. Adding that many wikilinks to a page times out the server. Good things to look for are names that should NOT be on the list, or a missing name that you think should be. — xaosflux Talk 00:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- FYI, thank you to early reviewers and feedback. A problem with the roll has been identified and is currently being worked on. Management overview: certain accounts marked as "secondary" accounts have been erroneously excluded from the list. This should be resolved today. As a reminder, there is a fall-back process for anyone wrongfully disenfranchised from the election - the commissioners have a process to "give you an empty ballot" if you report such a problem - it is not super quick, so we certainly want to resolve the root issue first. Thank you, — xaosflux Talk 15:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can we push some kind of notification to registered users to the effect of "here's the current voter roll, here are the eligibility criteria, if you should be eligible but aren't on the voter roll please post at such-and-such place"? Perhaps one of those notices like the ones for "A Request for Adminship is open" (not sure of the term for those) creffett (talk) 20:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I’m going to take a sample of 45 from highly active users from 9/2019 and compare it to the newly generated roll to test if it’s complete. That will give us 90% confidence of a max error rate of 5%, which in all honesty is pretty decent considering that we’ll have the ultimate test of someone raising their hand if they can’t vote. The goal here is a reasonable standard of control. We did this last night on the reverse side of people meeting the minimum criteria to vote, and will redo that test on the new list. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Agree, sending out a broadcast of some sort isn't really going to help here and will likely just confuse people that aren't actually eligible. — xaosflux Talk 21:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I’m going to take a sample of 45 from highly active users from 9/2019 and compare it to the newly generated roll to test if it’s complete. That will give us 90% confidence of a max error rate of 5%, which in all honesty is pretty decent considering that we’ll have the ultimate test of someone raising their hand if they can’t vote. The goal here is a reasonable standard of control. We did this last night on the reverse side of people meeting the minimum criteria to vote, and will redo that test on the new list. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can we push some kind of notification to registered users to the effect of "here's the current voter roll, here are the eligibility criteria, if you should be eligible but aren't on the voter roll please post at such-and-such place"? Perhaps one of those notices like the ones for "A Request for Adminship is open" (not sure of the term for those) creffett (talk) 20:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Updated sorted versions have been posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human2 (plain text) and Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human (with wikilinks). — xaosflux Talk 21:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Nazi alert
Do any of you admins/CUs/LTV experts know who produced this neo-Nazi swinery? See [5], [6]. Drmies (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Some random troll using proxies. RBI is the answer. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Neutrality check
Can someone with a bit of authority step in to see if they can fix Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron_–_Rescue_list#List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming_(7th_nomination) so that it is more neutrally worded? It seems that User:Lightburst and User:Andrew Davidson are so attached to non-neutral wording that they won't allow any modification of the posting in spite of what the rules state at the rescue list. Thanks. jps (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- You attempted to erase the entire post twice and were reverted twice for it [7] [8] , then you try to hide the post twice and get reverted [9] [10] then you come here to ask others to help you. Others participated in a discussion for this on the talk page [11] while you have not. Instead you go forum shopping. Dream Focus 13:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- See also: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Shut_down_Article_Rescue_Squadron. There is something bad going on here, folks. jps (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Aaaaand see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:ජපස_reported_by_User:Lightburst_(Result:_). Clearly I've hit a nerve. jps (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- jps has gone nuclear. Clearly and intentionally being disruptive in a campaign against a few users. -- GreenC
- Comment User:ජපස has engaged in extremely disruptive editing (edit warring) on the ARS. Then engaged in forum shopping, and attempted to delete the project with an MfD. All the while ජපස refused to discuss anything on the talk page and blanked requests to come to discussion. I am loathe to approach administrators for help, but perhaps we can get a short break from these numerous disruptions. Lightburst (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I would disagree with the "forum shopping" label. MFD was closed as "MFD is not the right solution for the issues raised", so it made sense to take it to take it to Village Pump. Perhaps we can engage in a productive discussion once we agree on the correct venue. –dlthewave ☎ 21:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
This user has again started harassing me.
This user User:Edward Zigma is harassing me, causing stress and doing personal attacks on me. Violating WP:CIVILity policy again and again and
- See SPI against me without any evidences.
- See Arbitration case against me without any evidences.
- Check their oldest contribution in which they called me as Islamophobic, which are oversighted now.
- Name-calling me as Hindutva Terrorist.
- See this edit, they removed content without summary and content was added with consensus on talk page. Also, they undo my this edit in which I removed details from non-RS.
- Also, this user doxxed me and declared me as Islamophobic.
- User has aggressively removed my edits from Jammu and Kashmir Reorganisation Act, 2019 which I created and he put deletion template. They have been blocked previously for their battle ground behaviour. Check their talk page.
- This is again when they namecalled that I have hidden agenda on page which I created.
- Most of his edits are related to me and blanking my contributions.
Kindly, take some action on this user. This user is WP:NOTHERE to build encyclopedia but to cause stress on good contributors and riding them away from contributing. If this user is going to stay here and harassing me then I have no other way to stop doing contributions to avoid stress and doxxing. Block on them will be appropriate.-- Harshil want to talk? 15:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I see the following situation. On 28 September, Edward Zigma was blocked by a checkuser for edit-warring for 48 hours, and, while being blocked, got from another user a warning about harassment. After the block expired, they only made five edits: three in the articles (reverted edits by Harshil169, who earlier reverted their edits; these edits were again reverted by Harshil169. At least in one case [12] they presumably were restoring text based on a bad source), replied on their talk page on a warning left by Harshil169, and opened a AE case against Harshil169, which did not contain diffs and was speedy closed by Black Kite. They have registered a year ago and made 200 edits. On one side, this is by itself not yet a case for an indefinite block, on the other hand, apparently, most of their contributions have been reverted, and WP:NOTHERE block might be a good decision. Certainly if they continue editing without first explaining themselves here I would be in favor of an indef block.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Ymblanter. Blocking is only option until and unless user promises to improve their behaviour. This user created chaos on my twitter profile too. -- Harshil want to talk? 16:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- So the subject just raised a DS case against Harshil, but with no evidence. They've been notified by another admin, so we'll see if anything comes of that. Nosebagbear (talk)
- In terms of this, the user does appear to be trying to OUT Harshil. That can be done without actually giving a specific URL. There are also some extremely serious accusations made without supporting evidence provided. There are some less than ideal behaviours by Harshil that I've spotted, but thus far I've not spotted anything of comparable severity. Nosebagbear (talk) 18:33, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- No Nosebagbear . There is nothing harassing in this. This person is delibirately trying to attack news portal webpages and all other things such as niyoga from wiki pedia pages which seems to go against his ideology. I don't have any personal problem with him, but some months ago he made a defamatory hate page on muslims and posted about it on twitter crying for help resulting in sockpuppetry and many new accounts invading wikipedia. This user willfully attacking and changing the liberal voices of India and slightly removing the content slowly slowly which seems to go against his hindutva agenda. I don't want to bridge but you can see his twitter account. I may not be correct in submitting my request becoz I am learning wikipedia but this person is slowly doing this with his own agenda. I might act wrong before coz I dont know many ways here but becoz of me his fake wiki page of a temple vandalism got removed which he made with a malicious attampt to defame muslims. It's not about muslim or Hindu or Christian but its his ideology which is harmful with which he is working. I didn't provide diffs coz I don't know how to do that. But my purpose is only one thing. To call out the hypocrisy of wiki editor running his propaganda through wiki pages. Thanks. Edward Zigma (talk) 03:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can you see the language of this editor? They are accusing me to suppress the liberal voices of India while I have been here since 2015 and see Talk:The Wire (India). I have been involved in meaningful discussion. There was also one SPI against me but it was failed and also, this user opened SPI against me without any evidences. Isn't this serious case to label me as to spread Hindutva agenda? If I made any defamatory page against Muslim then how I can be here without any block log? Pinging Nosebagbear again to see language of this editor and personal attack on me. -- Harshil want to talk? 04:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Pinging Ymblanter to check discussion above.-- Harshil want to talk? 04:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Didn't you call on hate against muslims when you made that page with malice intentions. I don't want to to brigade but the intentions of the editor are maliced and hate filled Islamophobic. Him lurking and slowly changing the context of liberal wiki pages are the proof for that. Wire is one of the best news portal for liberal voices in India but he is trying to vandalise it with his harmful hate intentions. Check the activity of Harshil169Edward Zigma (talk) 05:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, I’m Islamophobic Hindutva terrorist as per your allegation. What the point you’re making here? Page has lengthy and meaningful discussion with concerned editor Winged Blades of Godric. You’re again and again accusing me with personal attack. This is administrator Noticeboard and you’ll see what happens due to this language. This is not first time. — Harshil want to talk? 05:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Why are you so worried if your intentions are moral and to the ground. Let the editors check your history and let them decide how you selectively hand pick liberal wiki pages and try to defame them and removing other editors edit who are not alligned with your ideology. Tell them first didn't you make temple vandalism page and tried to blame muslims for it, that page is scrapped by senior wiki editors now. Now aren't you trying to disrupt the wiki pages of liberal voices of India. There is nothing wrong in my language. I never abused you like the ones you called from sock puppeting by your twitter handle. My allegation is there that the Harshil169 is trying to have an agenda and disrupting wiki pages of liberal voices of India. I request the editora to look at his edit history and take my matter into consideration. Thanks. Edward Zigma (talk) 05:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- You really need to cut out the accusations of malicious intent against Harshil. You're not helping your case at all. 199.247.45.10 (talk) 06:08, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Why are you so worried if your intentions are moral and to the ground. Let the editors check your history and let them decide how you selectively hand pick liberal wiki pages and try to defame them and removing other editors edit who are not alligned with your ideology. Tell them first didn't you make temple vandalism page and tried to blame muslims for it, that page is scrapped by senior wiki editors now. Now aren't you trying to disrupt the wiki pages of liberal voices of India. There is nothing wrong in my language. I never abused you like the ones you called from sock puppeting by your twitter handle. My allegation is there that the Harshil169 is trying to have an agenda and disrupting wiki pages of liberal voices of India. I request the editora to look at his edit history and take my matter into consideration. Thanks. Edward Zigma (talk) 05:52, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Okay, I’m Islamophobic Hindutva terrorist as per your allegation. What the point you’re making here? Page has lengthy and meaningful discussion with concerned editor Winged Blades of Godric. You’re again and again accusing me with personal attack. This is administrator Noticeboard and you’ll see what happens due to this language. This is not first time. — Harshil want to talk? 05:30, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Didn't you call on hate against muslims when you made that page with malice intentions. I don't want to to brigade but the intentions of the editor are maliced and hate filled Islamophobic. Him lurking and slowly changing the context of liberal wiki pages are the proof for that. Wire is one of the best news portal for liberal voices in India but he is trying to vandalise it with his harmful hate intentions. Check the activity of Harshil169Edward Zigma (talk) 05:22, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- All things apart, user is still accusing me without providing difference. I have over 3K edits on Wikipedia and I always engaged in DR and Consensus. User again alleged me and attacked me by calling Hindutvavvadi, Islamophobic,agenda spreader. This depends on Admin to what to do. -- Harshil want to talk? 05:55, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- The question here is about intent of accused editor Harshil169. His selective editing of liberal wiki pages of India and reverting the edits made by other editors with same warning given by him to everyone who doesnt allign with his ideology. I sincerely request the seniors to check his edit history and how silently he edit the web pages of news portal and other without proper citations. And reverting the edit of other editors who provide proper citation. His page about temple vandalism is already scrap ped when caught with his malicious hate intentions. This is wikipedia not some hindutva propaganda page or islamic page. You cam clearly see the pattern of attacking liberals in India. This is not personal attacking but the intention of Harshil169 is not moral or in any way justifiable.Edward Zigma (talk) 06:18, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The question here is about intent of accused editor Harshil169. His selective editing of liberal wiki pages of India and reverting the edits made by other editors with same warning given by him to everyone who doesnt allign with his ideology.
Ehh, where the heck did I revert edit of person who doesn't align with my ideology? Please provide differences. -- Harshil want to talk? 07:58, 18 November 2019 (UTC)- Didnt you involve in temple vandalism page and purposefully added the word muslims with malicious intentions. Are you attacking liberal wiki pages of news portals of India to mallign there image. Didnt you involve with editor moksha88 in the wiki page and tried to malign it sarcastically. I want to respected editors to take a dig at Nizil Shah for involving in editor groupism with Harshil169. .Edward Zigma (talk) 08:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- You are unnecessarily involving Nizil. First know what WP:3O means and what groupism means. I sought 3O from him.
This is wikipedia not a hub for propaganda stuff.
I just wanted to speak all of these in Administrator noticeboard which you spoke on several talk pages and behaved with me. Thank you for making my case more strong here. WP:ASPERATIONS will be applied and WP:NOTHERE block will be on way. Thanks a lot again! -- Harshil want to talk? 08:23, 18 November 2019 (UTC)- There is nothing about the case. Checking the history of your edits. You are silently removimg or adding stuffs related with your Islamophobic agenda. Anyone who check 4 or 5 pages of your edits will know of of your intentions. Again this is wikipedia. Not some hub for your propaganda.Edward Zigma (talk) 08:28, 18 November 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward Zigma (talk • contribs) 08:27, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- You are unnecessarily involving Nizil. First know what WP:3O means and what groupism means. I sought 3O from him.
- Didnt you involve in temple vandalism page and purposefully added the word muslims with malicious intentions. Are you attacking liberal wiki pages of news portals of India to mallign there image. Didnt you involve with editor moksha88 in the wiki page and tried to malign it sarcastically. I want to respected editors to take a dig at Nizil Shah for involving in editor groupism with Harshil169. .Edward Zigma (talk) 08:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
if you want this situation to be resolved, you must stop responding to each other and just let other editors get a chance to review the situation. You're not helping each other by just responding to each other.Blue Pumpkin Pie (talk) 08:36, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Blue Pumpkin Pie, IMHO these two did not had a proper conversation on their own talk pages (other than posting templates), so they are having it here now.--DBigXrayᗙ 08:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- No DBig, this is serious issue. Calling me as Hindutva propagandist and Islamophobic is not acceptable. They filled SPI and AE report against me without any difference. This user is WP:NOTHERE to build encyclopedia.-- Harshil want to talk? 08:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- yes DBigXray This is really a serious issue. My saying won't make anything. Check the edit of accused Harshil169.I won't comment after this from my side. But Harshil169 is involve in groupism and any edit i make he uses either his friend or his own alternate account to evade 3 evert rule and try to suspend me on that 3 revert rule which I didn't even know about. Next you can check his edit history. He add defamtory stuffs about The wire and Quint and remove the content on Payal Rohatgi page on which she said Islamophobic comments which were talked a lot om twitter.
- No DBig, this is serious issue. Calling me as Hindutva propagandist and Islamophobic is not acceptable. They filled SPI and AE report against me without any difference. This user is WP:NOTHERE to build encyclopedia.-- Harshil want to talk? 08:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
You won't get any comment here after this from my side. Please take matter into consideration about biasedness and groupism. And check the editor's connection with another senior edior Nizil Shah both are from Gujarat and are involved in groupism and changing wikipedia content according certain political ideology which cannot be allowed on wikipedia.Edward Zigma (talk) 08:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Few comments from User:Edward Zigma on this thread:
This user willfully attacking and changing the liberal voices of India and slightly removing the content slowly slowly which seems to go against his hindutva agenda. I don't want to bridge but you can see his twitter account.
DoxxingI don't want to to brigade but the intentions of the editor are maliced and hate filled Islamophobic. Him lurking and slowly changing the context of liberal wiki pages are the proof for that. Wire is one of the best news portal for liberal voices in India but he is trying to vandalise it with his harmful hate intentions.
Calling me Islamophobic and vandalNow aren't you trying to disrupt the wiki pages of liberal voices of India. There is nothing wrong in my language. I never abused you like the ones you called from sock puppeting by your twitter handle.
Declaring me as SockpupeeterYou are silently removimg or adding stuffs related with your Islamophobic agenda. Anyone who check 4 or 5 pages of your edits will know of of your intentions.
Calling me as Islamophobic again- This with SPI and AE without any evidences is causing me panic. User is definitely WP:NOTHERE. -- Harshil want to talk? 09:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- I am definately here for wikipedia. I was the one who debated when you purposefull tried to defame muslim in your Temple vandalism page. I am learning at present. I don't know a lot of rule. I don't know how to complain or add diffs otherwise I would have complained a good on you and anyone visiting your edit page will see this. Now stop the conversation and let the other decide. You have again tried your groupism by calling another friend of yours which is completely unacceptable on wiki pedia. You called to Kautilya3 who himself is involved in disruption on the wiki page of Muslim prophet.[1] If I am wrong they will take care of that.And if you are what I said they will that care of that too. Now it's best to let other decide. Edward Zigma (talk) 09:24, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - I see clear evidence of repeated personal attacks, for which Edward Zigma deserves a strong warning, and a block if he persists with such conduct.
- Zigma, you need to stop acting as a self-appointed policeman of Wikipedia, for which you do not have any training or qualification, and focus on doing your editing. People with all kinds of ideologies come here and they are allowed to function as long as they edit Wikipedia according to its policies. It is not proper to brand them or harass them, or even to bring in their alleged conduct at other venues like Quora or Twitter or whatever. Those venues are not our concern. Since you have said that you are still learning how to work with Wikipedia, please focus on that first. Once you learn enough, you will know how to deal with real issues. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:56, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Does Harshil169 will call every other friend for his help. He clearly went on your talk page[2] and called for aid from you. You are obviously his friend and biased. Let other unbiased editors decide what to do.Edward Zigma (talk) 10:00, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Comment @Edward Zigma and Harshil169: some words of advice as an entirely uninvolved editor? Knock it off. Stop commenting on each other, stop responding to each other and stop this back-and-forth. The India-Pakistan area already is one many editors prefer to stay well-away from due to high tensions, but the both of you sure aren't helping matters. Right now, you're making people look at their watchlist, see either of your names on an edit here at the AN and think something along the lines of "goodness, are those two still at it?". It doesn't matter which one of you is right or wrong: all this back-and-forth is achieving is making sure everyone wants to stay far, far away from this issue. AddWittyNameHere 10:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- @AddWittyNameHere: My only concern is blank reports about me at AE and SPI, and Publicly putting my Twitter account. If these continue then I’ve to stop editing here.— Harshil want to talk? 10:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, you've made your concerns clear. All I'm saying is, if you want people to look into the matter you're reporting, you're not helping yourself by constantly replying to the other user. Similarly, if Edward Zigma wants people to look into what he is saying, he is also not helping matters by constantly replying to you. You've both stated your view on the issue, now give folks time to read it and check what you're saying. AddWittyNameHere 11:11, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- @AddWittyNameHere: My only concern is blank reports about me at AE and SPI, and Publicly putting my Twitter account. If these continue then I’ve to stop editing here.— Harshil want to talk? 10:59, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Removal of rollback permission
Hi, I hope this is the correct place to request a removal of permissions. I quite often use rollback, but recently most of my editing has been on the mobile view. Sadly, it's currently quite buggy, and can jump when attempting to select an article on the watchlist; and quite often this is onto the rollback of an edit. Could I have this permission removed until the view is fixed to stop this from happening (I'm quite happy to re-request the perm at a later date)? I thought I could handle this, but it's happened too many times at this point to live with. Thanks for your help. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I can remove rollback no problem, but may be you want to try this script first? It removes rollback buttons from the watchlist, and I found it very helpful (thanks 28bytes again). I never tried it on mobile though.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think your broken link was probably intended to be to this script instead? There is also the option "Require confirmation before performing rollback on mobile devices" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, and its documentation leads to various alternatives. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Indeed, I fixed the link, sorry for this--Ymblanter (talk) 19:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think your broken link was probably intended to be to this script instead? There is also the option "Require confirmation before performing rollback on mobile devices" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, and its documentation leads to various alternatives. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- You can try this script, you may need to modify it to your device. –xenotalk 19:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
//hide rollback links on iPhone
if (navigator.userAgent.match(/iPhone/i) || navigator.userAgent.match(/iPod/i)) {
var styleEle = document.getElementsByTagName("head")[0].appendChild(document.createElement("style"));
styleEle.sheet.insertRule(".mw-rollback-link { display: none; }", 0);
}
- Thanks for all this - solution to a problem I didn't know existed until the change in view. I'll likely use one of these! Thanks for your help. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:Lee Vilenski glad to know that your problem appears to have been resolved. I also have rollback rights and if ever I click rollback while watching the watchlist on my phone, I get a prompt that says something along the lines of "Do you Really want to rollback" and then obviously I hit No. This is a big embarrassment saver. Hence, I never felt the need to get rid of the rollback, or use any script. I am not sure why you seem to not get this prompt. perhaps some difference in our preferences. --DBigXrayᗙ 08:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
RFPP backlog
This weekend, we consistently have backlog at WP:RFPP longer than 24h. If someone has time, please have a look.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- The other day, there were 30 pending requests. El_C 09:09, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Block review requested
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
- BongBing321 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Nick Fuentes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Can someone please review my block of this user? As the user is editing on American Politics, I'd like a second opinion (and feel free to unblock if you feel it is appropriate). I primarily blocked for the REVDELed edit but also the repeated non-RS edits. I felt this was clear cut enough, but I figured it best to check with others. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- If anything, it was too lenient. I've up'd the duration to indefinite. El_C 04:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- @El C: Well! Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)